DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus FBI Raid pt. 2

Let it go, man. They'll never let this crap go with Trump facing jail time.

It wouldn't surprise me if the 'discovery" of the Biden papers was before the Trump raid in a effort to get ahead of the story. At least to provide a situation where neither man was charged by the DOJ. Now, if any effort is made to charge the former Preisdent, the DOJ would have to charge the sitting President as well.

I do find it troubling that the DOJ and White House conspired to put a hush on all of this or a good month or more until after the elections.

No, that is not true at all. They will each individually be investigated, charged, prosecuted, and punished accordingly with the crimes each committed, not equally or else... Such a GOPer.

You can’t make this s up…oh wait they do make it up.

They don't care about what's true. They just use a disclaimer like "it wouldn't surprise me". The FBI tried to get trump to comply with a subpoena for eight months before they felt there was no other way to get those documents than serve a search warrant. He turned over less than 40 of them and lied by saying that's all he had and his lawyers perpetuated that lie for him. There were still over 300 in his possession. Let's face it, they don't want to face the facts of what actually happened and try so hard to convince themselves of some conspiracy theory to try and make what trump did look less terrible.

I didn't say equally. I said if one is prosecuted, the same treatment would have to apply to the other.

Yet there is one caveat you seem to be ignoring. That is the matter of intent which is included in the law you wish to claim should be prosecuted in both cases. There is obvious intent in one case and possible intent in the other one. Through the investigation it may be proven that Biden knew he had these documents and his intent was to hide them and keep them or it may not be proven. In the case of trump he refused to turn them over, turned over a small amount and lied claiming he had turned them all over while still keeping over 300 in his possession. Then refused to comply with a subpoena for months until a search warrant had to be issued to get those documents. If it's proven that Biden knew those documents were there before turning them over you are certainly correct. trump on the other hand has proven the case by his own actions. Bigly.

What is the exact letter of the law and does intent matter?

"Sorry officer, you caught me driving drunk"
vs
"Sorry officer, I didn't intend to drive drunk but I didn't realize I was too broke for an Uber."

Still drunk driving. Still guilty.

No kidding. The only thing he didn't intend was somebody finding those documents. You don't "accidentally" pack up classified documents, bring them home, and then scatter them around your properties.

The actual part of the law that shows intent is needed in order to be a violation of this law is posted in this thread. The accountability factor certainly isn't the same. I didn't make the law. I'm not even saying that I disagree with you. I think you need to keep in mind that laws involving politics and politicians aren't always written the way they are for the rest of us. And those same laws help protect politicians on both sides. And I feel safe in saying that we both disagree with that.

And who was it that did that again? You do understand that's what an investigation will help determine, right? Who packed them up? Under whose orders and how did they get there? It was actually Biden's lawyers who handed them over after they were found. I'm certainly interested in finding out the answers to those questions but I'm not one who tries to provide those answers before they are known.

The documents were in his possession and on his property, even his home. If someone else packed them up and brought them there, that doesn't lessen the severity of the situation. There's no accident or innocent mistake here.


Biden's lawyers didn't hand over the documents discovered in Biden's home. They were found by FBI investigators and confiscated.

Intent can be a small factor, but it is still a crime for him to have the documents sitting in the garage. One also might look at the amount of time he has held the documents.

All of that aside and on to more just a question that has me a bit perplexed, and a serious question I can't get around.

Once the documents were discovered and known to exist, why isn't the FBI recovering these documents rather than the Presidents lawyers? The Presidents lawyers don't have top security clearance. It's not Ok for them to stumble upon them to review.

I am not saying anything nefarious is taking place. I am just wondering why the team of Biden lawyers is determining what is pertinent and what isn't might not be the best way to deal with top secret documents, and it does open the question of are they turning over everything, or sanitizing the scene?

This isn't about raiding the former President. I just don't get why top-secret documents aren't being handled by the FBI. And to be fair, I will say maybe they aren't top-secret. They are classified. Items receiving classified designation can seem rather innocuous compared to what most people might think.

So .... to the point that some made earlier about equal treatment of Biden and Trump? Clearly Biden IS getting the same treatment, the infringement IS getting treated as seriously. . . . The difference? Biden is complying with and working with the authorities - Trump denied, lied, lied, denied and tried to get his lawyer to write a false statement.

But I guess now that Biden's transgression is demonstrably being treated in the same way - no one will want to focus on the differences, there'll be a new "gotcha" theme coming sometime soon initiated by Faux News.

They’re not getting equal treatment here. Biden is straight up guilty and trump is well …the bad choir boy that took some sheet music.

I think a part of it was the President talking about irresponsible, reckless behavior only to find he had documents sitting in various unsecure locations for maybe 6 years.

There is a degree of humor in that, no?

I don't think we are dealing with a strict liability crime, as the quoted statute mentioned intent, but if we were it would certainly change the discussion.

If not humor, certainly irony.

Irony. It’s only humorous to the revenge party.

What wouldn't surprise me is to find out Trump Minions planted the info in Bidens facilities....

I have never given into conspiracy theories like that. But yeah I wouldn’t be surprised.

It's certainly no more far fetched than some of the crazy assumptions they have jumped to on these threads with no basis in fact to base them on. But I highly doubt this is the case.

What do you think is more far fetched,,,,, The FBI planting documents at Mar A Lago or Trump minions planting docs at Bidens home?

I mean, I bet you didn't laugh when Trump said that the FBI planted things did you? No,, you didn't.

I bet you didn't laugh when Trump said he wanted the planted docs back and that they were his... did you?

There is NOTHING funny about this situation.. Nothing!

That isn't true. Revenge in and of itself is ironic and humorous.

Probably more likely that it is Democrats now through with Bides usefulness. Either way unlikely to be able to have them stuffed in 2-3 different locations.

Yep. Dems are done with him, so we set up this ingenious plot to take down Donny and Joe in the same swing. Do you ever stop to actually listen to what the hell those voices in your head are really saying?

LOL...Ok, Ok...don't have a conniption leading to a stroke. LOL

You do realize that the same thing happened with trump, right? Or did you forget about the two found in the storage unit?

Sadly some of you wish to act as though trump didn't make his intent to keep those documents crystal clear by his own volition. Those documents were subpoenaed. He and his attorney's fought that subpoena for eight months. So long in fact that they gave up getting him to comply with that subpoena and had no other alternative but to get a search warrant to get them. He even went so far as to make up some BS that all he had to do was think about it and they were no longer classified. He and his attorney's made his intent quite clear.

I know that it's difficult to admit the stark contrast between these two cases but it's quite evident for anyone willing to look at it.

So why arent they asking trump permission to search all his residences and homes and offices? ( they only searched one )He should let the FBI do it like Biden let the FBI do it.

Haha...."Let the FBI....".

That's cute.

yes he let them do it without a raid and search warrant and obstruction.

Yes facts seem to be something certain people find inconvenient. Biden signed off on it and trump threw a tantrum over it. But I mean that's the same thing, right?

I think this needs to be put in the DSM-V as a classic exampe of TDR

Seeing others co-sign the original post just shows how whack this place is. But yeah, I thought maybe Daman may have forgot the purple with that last one... for about three seconds.

You still haven't figured out that TDR is ignoring anything and everything trump did by sticking your fingers in your ears going "La, la, la, la la, la" have you? Only the deranged sit back and stay silent when trump does something only to come out and make a big issue out of it when someone else does something similar. You guys are so creative!

Yeah Jfan. Haven't you figured it out?? You must make one post condemning Trump for every negative Biden post... you know, like they do... otherwise you're "deranged".

Pit's sandbox, his rules. Otherwise you will journey down a long road of whatabouts, until, well, you know how it always ends. lmao.

Awe. While some people have stood back and said nothing about anything and everything trump has done for years they point the fingers at others who have shown it all along. And now they act like they're the victims. The only what about here is where were you then? Nowhere to be seen, that's where. Now you're suddenly outraged.

I bet GRT is totally going over his head like JKT-C

So tell me Peen, did you laugh when Trump said the FBI planted those docs? Or did you believe him?

Did you think it was funny when he demanded them back? Did you laugh when he said they were his?

You know I"m right otherwise, you wouldn't try to laugh it off as if something is wrong with my thinking....