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I heard a discussion On ESPN Radio on the Mike & Mike Show this morning about NFL Overtime Games.Mike Ditka was on the show and he was vehemently for a switch to a college like system for the NFL while Mike & Mike were very much opposed.
I find the College approach very Refreshing !! and Exciting !! as opposed to the current outdated NFL Rules.I would love to see some kind of variation of the College OT rules applied to the NFL.I think it only fair that both teams touch the ball in OT.If anybody watched last Fridays Arkansas-LSU game I'm sure one would have to agree it was exciting.
I fail to see why the NFL opposes this.
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I like the NFL overtime, and HATE the NCAA overtime...
overtime means since you didn't get it done in 60 minutes, you have to put up or shut up NOW!!!!!
Watching the Kentucky/ Tennesee, and LSU/Arkansas game was fun, but seriously, i was getting to the point where I was thinking, does it really have to last this long to decide who WINS!!!??
Look at the SanFran/ Arizona OT yesterday... thats what its about... DEFENSE!!!!!
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I agree. I have to admit I wouldn't be terribly upset if they gave both teams a chance to have the ball but it should be after a punt if you hold them or after a KO if they score then you have to drive the length of the field to re-tie the game... Arbitrariliy picking a spot on the field to start a drive then having silly rules about forcing the 2-point PAT after the 3rd OT is just silly to me.
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I'd like to see them switch to the college way where both teams get a chance on offense but i'd make it like it was a normal quarter in that you have to kickoff and actually drive down the field to score.
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and also with the College OT, it gives the first offense up an unfair disadvantage when it comes to decision making on 4th downs because they don't know what thier opponents offense is going to do come their turn.
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statistics show that the current system does not favor one team or another based on the coin flip. heck, if the BROWNS defense can keep someone our ot field goal range, any defense can do it!
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statistics show that the current system does not favor one team or another based on the coin flip. heck, if the BROWNS defense can keep someone our ot field goal range, any defense can do it!
Thats untrue The latest Stats I heard this morning show the team that gets the ball first wins 2 out of 3 times or 66%.
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I wish they would just do away with OT and call games a tie.
It might make teams do a bit more during the game.
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I think that the only change that should be made to the current system if any is a TD. If the team that won the coin flip, drives down, then kicks a FG. Then they must defend the field from the other team, who MUST score a TD or be defeated. This gives the second team a chance, even in case of an easy FG, which seems to be the way most teams win in OT. So if team 1 can't score a TD, then they can kick the FG, knowing they must defend the field from a TD. Team 1 still has the coin flip advantage, yet team 2 has some hope. If team 1 scores a TD on their drive, then games over, the defense should at least stall them or be willing to face defeat. Did that make any sense? 
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my two preferred options...
1. extra period WITHOUT sudden death...this keeps the normal tempo of the game, and should tend to favor the team that has been more dominant in the trenches for the first 4 quarters...that is the most fair, IMO...
2. equal possessions, as in college, but each one starts with a regular kickoff...this brings the kicking game (Hester, Cribbs, etc.) into the equation, but doesn't involve punting for any sort of field position battle...essentially making 4th down an extra play with which to work...
Browns fans are born with it...
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my two preferred options...
1. extra period WITHOUT sudden death...this keeps the normal tempo of the game, and should tend to favor the team that has been more dominant in the trenches for the first 4 quarters...that is the most fair, IMO...
what if that period ends in a tie?
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just as it is now...it goes in the books as a tie...
Browns fans are born with it...
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I don't like either OT format. IMO, the worst part about the NFL system is that it encourages the "safe" play by merely trying to get into position to kick a field goal. It is boring. I'd much rather see a very simple change: each team gets the ball on offense once (whether or not the team that wins the toss scores or not). If, after the first two series of OT, the game is still tied, play reverts to sudden death. That way, the team that wins the toss has an incentive to go for a TD rather than a field goal. Likewise, if the team that wins the toss can only manage a field goal, the opposing team has an incentive to try and score a TD to win the game. IMO, this would make OT more interesting. However, I'm not holding my breath that we'll ever see the current OT format change. 
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my two preferred options...
1. extra period WITHOUT sudden death...this keeps the normal tempo of the game, and should tend to favor the team that has been more dominant in the trenches for the first 4 quarters...that is the most fair, IMO...
what if that period ends in a tie?
Then its a tie game.
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I'll have to say I'm a little surprised,I thought most people would like the College Format.
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Just had a conversation about this last week.
I came up with 2 possibilities:
1) If the team that wins the toss scores, the loser of the toss gets to kick receive and has one drive. From there, OT continues until someone wins or it is a tie.
2) Play like the College game, but start at mid-field. The whole starting in FG range bites.
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I say keep it how it is...
It's the NFL, it will help them realize them importance of executing during the game.
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I'll have to say I'm a little surprised,I thought most people would like the College Format.
I don't like either format.
I agree with the above poster who basically said, if at the end of 4 quarters it is a tie, play a 5th, if it is still a tie, it is a tie.
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I'll have to say I'm a little surprised,I thought most people would like the College Format.
Why would you think that? It's a horrible system. So is the current NFL one.
I'd be fine with playing another set amount of time and then calling it a tie if there is no winner.
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I'll have to say I'm a little surprised,I thought most people would like the College Format.
Mark down one more for the current NFL format.
The college format is P.C. Think about it.
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I wish they would just do away with OT and call games a tie.
It might make teams do a bit more during the game.
I agree, then teams would have to play more agressively in general. Especially at the end of games. It would make for more exciting football.
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I don't like either OT format. IMO, the worst part about the NFL system is that it encourages the "safe" play by merely trying to get into position to kick a field goal. It is boring.
Tell that to Herm Edwards! 
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statistics show that the current system does not favor one team or another based on the coin flip. heck, if the BROWNS defense can keep someone our ot field goal range, any defense can do it!
Thats untrue The latest Stats I heard this morning show the team that gets the ball first wins 2 out of 3 times or 66%.
But it's only unfair if they win 2 out of 3 times because they score on their opening drive and the other team never gets the ball... If the team that gets the ball first punts, then gets it back and wins.. then the sudden death format isn't really unfair.
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I'll have to say I'm a little surprised,I thought most people would like the College Format.
It takes several very important phases of the game out of play.. the kick and kick return... the long sustained drive... punting and punt returns... those are just as much a part of the game as trying to ram it in from the 25...
That's why the NFL system isn't AS BAD as the college system, at least they are still playing FOOTBALL... in every respect.
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Just had a conversation about this last week.
I came up with 2 possibilities:
1) If the team that wins the toss scores, the loser of the toss gets to kick receive and has one drive. From there, OT continues until someone wins or it is a tie.
2) Play like the College game, but start at mid-field. The whole starting in FG range bites.
I like that idea start on the 50 yd line and play it out. I think ties would suck you cant have ties in the NFL you need to play it out.
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The college OT is a joke. That isn't the way to decide a game. If they did the same thing but started each drive with a kickoff and made the team drive the length of the field that would be great but to start at the 25?
It takes too much of the real game out of the equation. You wouldn't want them to play the whole game that way so why would you want them to play overtime like that?
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The college OT is a joke. That isn't the way to decide a game. If they did the same thing but started each drive with a kickoff and made the team drive the length of the field that would be great but to start at the 25?
It takes too much of the real game out of the equation. You wouldn't want them to play the whole game that way so why would you want them to play overtime like that?
I said I would like to see a variation of College OT.The current NFL OT is like watching paint dry. Just My Opinion
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I think ties would suck you cant have ties in the NFL you need to play it out.
Why? If 2 teams battle for 60 minutes and are so evenly matched that the score is a tie, then you give them an overtime period, and it's a tie... why do we need to artificially decide a winner by slowly eliminating elements of the game and making up rules like you get to start your drive in field goal range or "you have to go for 2"? Seems to me at some point you have to say, nobody deserves to lose this game... it's a tie.
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I think ties would suck you cant have ties in the NFL you need to play it out.
Why? If 2 teams battle for 60 minutes and are so evenly matched that the score is a tie, then you give them an overtime period, and it's a tie... why do we need to artificially decide a winner by slowly eliminating elements of the game and making up rules like you get to start your drive in field goal range or "you have to go for 2"? Seems to me at some point you have to say, nobody deserves to lose this game... it's a tie.
Please read what I said !! A VARIATION of the college rules !! Ending in a tie is a joke !!
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This will sound weird, but ties have no value in college football --there's too much at stake.
Yeah, let's end the Ohio State-Michigan, Auburn Alabama, Texas-Oklahoma, YSU-Kent, and The Citadel-VMI games in a tie,...yuck !!
But in the NFL,..?? A tie is a half a win and might get you into the playoffs or break some other tossup in the tie-breaking procedure,...
As for the manner it is played, there is definitely an advantage to winning the toss, period. Remember the Chicago/Detroit Thanksgiving Day kickoff return,...?? The Lions never touched the ball; (and really neither did the Bears.) Detroit should have been allowed at least a chance to recover/tie the game.
Stoops said on the radio this afternoon, the college game should start at the 40. That way the defense gets rewarded if it stops the other team out of field goal range. Today, your defense gets a 3 and out and the other team gets to kick a field goal.
I liked the above posters' suggestions about playing another full quarter. If you give up 3 touchdowns, like the Browns secondary would (t-i-c), then you deserve to lose. Then a tie could be a tie, and the game would be less "conservative."
What I really don't like about college ball is, if you miss the first 2-point must try, I ain't allowed to come in and kick an extra point -- even though MY DEFENSE STUFFED your offense on your 2-pointer, and subsequently your defense failed to stop my offense. I get "penalized" to force another period if I miss.
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I love the college overtime format except for the set field position on each transition. I would much rather see a kickoff situation. If anything changes in either college or NFL though, my first choice would be to remove the trash known as the BCS. 
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Be glad to chat with you in the other thread about that,...what's your beef ??
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Yeah, let's end the Ohio State-Michigan...games in a tie,...yuck !!
It's happened.
The college over-time is a desparate joke that wouldn't work in the NFL.
As someone has already said, it would take away the special teams and special teams are just as much a part of the game as the offense and defense. It also causes the rules of football to suddenly change. If the rules have to change then there is a flaw in the rules. But there isn't.
I'm in the camp of playing an additional 15 minute quarter by the normal rules and if it ends in a tie again than that is what it is. A tie.
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Chalk me up to not touching it...Love it just the way it is...When does anyone ever get geeked up in anticipation of a coin toss???...We win the toss???...Shot o' Jack...We score and win???...Another shot o' jack...
I'm surprised anyone would want the NCAA BS in the NFL...That's the dumbest p-poor excuse for an OT I could ever dream of...
Leave it alone...U win the toss...Advantage YOU...Lose it and u best stop us...
About the ONLY change I'd be open to would be the other team gets a kickoff and posession after a score...
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The way it is now sure isn't perfect, but it works for me. The only change I would conceive of making is giving each team an equal number of possessions, ie Team 1 scores, then Team 2 gets one possession to match or beat that score, OR Team 1 fails to score, Team 2 scores and thus wins the game.
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The college OT system is too gimicky, reminds me of the friggin hockey shootout.
I do think both teams should have a chance to get the ball in OT, but I don't think the NFL likes long drawn out games,,, they want 'em over with.
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Please read what I said !! A VARIATION of the college rules !! Ending in a tie is a joke !!
I read what you said.. the only variation I would even consider is one in which both teams were guaranteed the ball at least once... other than that, it's football. Full field, full special teams participation football... And ending a game in a tie is NOT a joke.
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The worst thing about the college overtime is that the stats count. There is no way a QB should get credit for throwing 5 touchdowns in a game when 3 of them come in overtime.
This probably distorts the college football stats more than steroids in baseball.
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Please read what I said !! A VARIATION of the college rules !! Ending in a tie is a joke !!
I read what you said.. the only variation I would even consider is one in which both teams were guaranteed the ball at least once... other than that, it's football. Full field, full special teams participation football... And ending a game in a tie is NOT a joke.
Ending a game in OT is a waste of time !!!ask anyone who plays !! 
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