DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Varejao on Cleveland: 'I don't want to play there anymore'

I'm not much of a B ball fan and don't understand salary cap issues but what''s with sign and trade? Does he think somebody is going to give him 10 million and then trade for him too? That doesn't make sense to me. Wasn't he a RFA? If he was worth that much why didn't another team make him an acceptable offer? Is he saying he just wants to go somewhere else regardless of the money?
My son has a 92 tempo with 190K miles if anyone wants to lease it for $10,000 you wouldn't have to trade us more than a Corvette to complete the deal???
I gotta be missing something.

i don't really care what athletes make, i'm not one of these guys that whines about athletes making money and getting these huge deals... i just don't care, it's the american dream, you go after it, and i think it's pretty laughable when people complain about it, when in reality they'd be doing the same thing...

football players, basketball players, musicans, actors, actresses... all of those people generate interest upon millions of people, that kind of interest is going to make you big money, why don't people complain when these actors and actresses make 30 or 50 million a picture, where's that hatred?, what because we don't hear about it in the press, how they are negotiating to take every nickel and dime from these production companies?

i just think it's laughable that anderson varejao, a bench guy who scores 6 points a game, is asking for borderline superstar money...

Yes, the absurdity is not that a basketball player wants that much money, the absurdity is that a very average at best basketball player wants that much money... Having "intangibles" is great, but it typically doesn't double your salary.

Maybe I'm just so out of it no one will be able to help me, but........which actors or actresses make $30 to $50 mill per picture?

I don't think any of them have reached that much, YET. But they're getting there. I think a few have breached the $20 mill mark.

I've always thought that Varejao situation was rediculous.

The guy adds very little to the offensive side of the basketball court and makes many stupid offensive plays.

On defense and rebounding he seems to add energy and intensity, but he also fouls players a lot.

As a Celtics fan, I'd much rather have our boy Kendrick Perkins whom isn't and won't be asking for 10 million dollars a year than Varejao. I just don't see what team might be interested in him.

Of course as a Celtics fan I recognize that the king of intangibles and highest payed 11th man in the league, Brian Scalabrine is on our team. Gotta love a guy who plays for 8 minutes, gets 3 fouls, goes 0-5 and gets no rebounds and may be one assist. Don't make mistakes like we did, Varejao is not worth the money he's asking for..............


PS: That game lastnight was a mistake. Paul Pierce blew it in the end which is very rare. Come see us again and you'll see yourselves get smoked. Cause that's how we roll..........

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Come see us again and you'll see yourselves get smoked. Cause that's how we roll..........



Cavs 109, Celtics 104. That's how we roll...

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it's pretty crappy that the cavs had to play the 4th game in 5 nights on the road at the palace...

i mean, we are eastern conference champions, you'd think we'd get the fringe benefits of playing the 4th game of the 5th night at home against seattle...

HoopsHype has a story saying that Charlotte has signed Andy to a three-year offer sheet. The Cavs will have a week to match. We'll have to see how much its for...

Interesting if true ...

Looks like Fegan is settling for less total money here. He seeked another team and negotiated exactly what him and Andy wanted for the most of amount of dollars available beginning year 1. I think they wanted the luxury to be unrestricted in 2 years - which we would not offer. The Bobcats are just a pawn in this deal - being used to maximize their dollars in year 1 (not many other teams could pony up more - or just did not want to get involved). Fegan knew we would match ANY offer available - so he wanted to make sure that offer is what they wanted - even though they could've gotten more yearly money from us.

In the end, it seems Andy still wants that big payday. Instead of it being next offseason when there is limited money and a lot of FAs - they will settle for the following offseason with the luxury to pursue any team they want, including us. We just do not have his rights.

I call it a stalemate -the dollars weren't out there to be had. He got AV what seems like the most he could for the 2 seasons, plus the luxury of being free after that 2nd season. I guarantee Ferry would never agree to that - we probably wanted him locked up at the very least 3 seasons, possibly 4 or 5 - and Ferry probably did not budge off of this.

Honestly, this is best case scenario for Cleveland IMO. They get Varejao for two seasons at a reasonable price (5 to 5.5 million) and they make him PROVE he's worth the money he thinks he is. If he turns in to a lets say 12 and 10 guy, you pony up......if he continues to go for 6 and 6, you let him walk.

Great move by Ferry to wait it out. He's going to invest less money then he was actually willing to for a long term deal and put the Cavs in a situation to eventually work something reasonable out if he progresses. I also wouldn't mind a sign and trade if the Bobcats really want him. I'd take an expiring vet and their #1, which could be a top 10 pick.

If he comes back, how bad does he get boo'd the first few games?

Agree with pretty much everything you say Nas. However, I sort of thought that it would be the Cavs giving the two year deal. I hope Andy isn't too bitter about everything ... then again, he's going to have to play lights out for two years if he's expecting a big payday, so maybe this will work out for us.

Although, I'd have to imaging there's no way he'll sign with us when he becomes a free agent in two years.

According to Windhorst:

2 years 11.3 million. He should be back with the team in 3-4 days. Third year not guaranteed.

The Bobcat's GM is also doing both sides a favor...it gets Andy up and going and plus other GM's were watching this soap opera with Fegan..he didn't get his client signed for what he told him he was worth... ..he bombed on this one..

It's on ESPN now ... I like some of the comments. One guy said that he hopes the deal he signed came with a free first class ticket back to Cleveland, because that's where he's headed.

Way to serve your client Fegan.


From ESPN.com:

Cavaliers have week to match Bobcats' offer sheet

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- In need of a big man, the Charlotte Bobcats reached agreement Tuesday on a three-year offer sheet with Cleveland restricted free agent Anderson Varejao, giving the Cavaliers a week to match the deal or lose him.

ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher reported the offer sheet is worth $17.4 million, which would fit the Bobcats' mid-level salary cap exception.

According to ESPN.com's Chad Ford, the offer sheet includes an opt-out clause after year two, meaning Varejao could be a free agent again in the summer of 2009.

Varejao's agent, Dan Fegan, could not immediately be reached.

The 6-foot-10 Varejao has been in a prolonged contract dispute with the Cavaliers, which has kept him sidelined this season. He said last week that he would prefer to be traded.

"I wanted to come back," Varejao told Ford last week. "I love the fans and I really love my teammates. But there are others there that have made it very difficult. It's gotten to the point that I don't want to play there anymore. I'm just hoping for a sign-and-trade at this point."

The 25-year-old Varejao averaged 6.8 points and 6.7 rebounds last season in helping the Cavaliers reach the NBA finals for the first time.

Cavs GM Danny Ferry told Ford last week that the team still wants Varejao back.

"We fully understand that negotiations can be emotional," Ferry said. "As for Anderson's potential to remain a Cavalier and put this behind us, we value his presence in this organization, on and off the court, and that has not changed."

Bobcats coach Sam Vincent has been pleading for a big man since the beginning of the season. The Bobcats lost Sean May to season-ending knee surgery in training camp. Starting center Primoz Brezec has been ineffective and was replaced in the starting lineup by rookie Jared Dudley Monday night in Toronto, the Bobcats' sixth straight loss.

Before training camp opened, Varejao turned down Cleveland's one-year, $1.2 million qualifying offer. If he had signed that deal, the former second-round pick could have become an unrestricted free agent after this season.

In late October, the Cavaliers rejected a six-year, $52 million package presented by Fegan.

Varejao is known for his energy and defense, and the move comes a day after Vincent questioned his team's focus and preparation following the 98-79 loss to the Raptors.

The Bobcats, with 15 guaranteed contracts, would have to release a player to add Varejao if the Cavaliers don't match the offer.

Yeah, 17.4 Million is a no brainer, especially when the 3rd year (5 to 6) isn't guaranteed. He'll be a Cavalier unless Charlotte blows us away with a sign and trade offer.

The sign and trade possibility is out the window because AV already signed the contract offered by the Bobcats.

I am really stupid at this BS, probably ON PURPOSE,....is there any compensation due the Cavs if they just let him walk ?? How does all that crap work ?? Do we HAVE to pay him what he's signed for now with Charlotte,...??

Once again, the money part of sports irritates me more than a new 2ndLt that can't handle a hand grenade,...

Yes, Charlotte would owe us compensation if we let him walk ... just don't ask me how much that would be. And if we match the offer ... we are doing just that. Essentially giving him the same contract that he signed for Charlotte, and he's forced to take it.

lolz @ varejao

not even 6 million! and it's on charlotte!

how's that ten million looking now andy?

lolz, this was a you-know-what measuring contest, and the cavs have the bigger manhood, easily...

talk about getting owned...

You know what. I hope we don't match it. The last thing we need is an over-rated player hogging a roster spot making more money than he is worth. Got too many of them now. We could use that money else where this off-season for a player we actually need. Plus I think we could get some compensation from Charlotte.

Let him walk.

He wanted to play hardball, let him sign for less money. Serves him right.

I agree,...but I'm not the NBA money guy(s) that lbj and nas are,....how would/does that affect the cap...is there enough left to do some good later ?? What's the "real" best thing to do with this turd,...??

I'm not too familiar with it either but whatever we will be saving would be worth it considering Varejao has no offensive ability what so-ever. His defense is o.k and he's great at drawing charges but the NBA is going to be alot more strict on flopping this year and tha's all he does most of the time. He's a role player that's it.

Next needs to be Larry Hughes, Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall. I can live with Snow because he plays good defense.

I probably haven't watched but 2 or 3 games this year and didn't really pay close attention to them. But who is backing up Z? (some nobody I haven't heard of) I'd think we'd have to match atleast for the short term?

I think his name is Jones.

The back-up is Dwayne Jones right now with the Andy situation, Donyell hurt, and Cedric Simmons hurt. Jones hasn't looked the greatest, but there is something there that I really like. He was amazing in an NBDL stint he had, leading the league in blocks and second or third in rebounds. He's raw, very raw, but I hope the Cavs don't throw him away after seeing how raw he is.

I like Andy, but this contract is about what he is actually worth. The problem with that, to him, is bigs have been getting overpaid for years (Adonal Foyle or Brian Cardinal, anybody?). He wanted that contract. After the Grizz gave a big deal to Darko Milicic that money wasn't out there, and he was left in a bad situation that got worse through his agent's playing of the media.

I'm pretty sure the Cavs match, but Charlotte could be an interesting trade partner in a sign-and-trade deal. They have a lot of pieces that could fit. Matt Carroll is a great 3-pt. shot. Jared Dudley was a guy the Cavs were after in the draft this season. Add in the expiring deal and big body of Primoz Brezec and there could be something there. That being said, I see a very, very slim chance that happens. As soon as a trade partner can be found to give a pick for Shannon Brown the Cavs will match Andy's deal and get him up to speed in this new offense ASAP. Also, a bigger thing in this, IMO, could be the ability to trade him this offseason. A big, with an expiring contract and talent can get some nice pieces back.

Sign and trade with the Kings maybe?

I know they have been having problems at the power forward spot. There was talk of moving Artest to power forward but they didn't do it.

Bibby could be a guy we could still go after, their PG has been playing fairly well in his place. Another guy we could go after is John Salmons. He can play SG or SF, obviously he would be playing SG for us but when Artest was serving his suspension Salmons blew up. He was averaging 20 some points a game 2 steals, 3 or 4 assists and like 4 rebounds agame while Artest was out.

He signed the offer sheet with Charlotte. That means the only team that a sign-and-trade can be worked out with is Charlotte.

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talk about getting owned...

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LOL....I know what ya mean.....But to us working class 6 million is hitting the jack pot....and he gets 6 mill for three years straight....Own away.....

I thought everyone was saying we couldn't do a sign and trade with Charlotte if we match their offer

He didn't sign a contract, he signed an offer sheet. This allows the Cavs to do a potential sign-and-trade with that team and that team only. The Cavs can either work out a deal, match the offer and retain the player, or opt not match and Charlotte would get Varejao at that price without having to give the Cavs anything in return. That is my understanding of the NBA rules.

You would be correct.

I think to match for what Charlotte offered is ok...anymore than that is a waste.

He'll be gone next year, cause he'll opt out

I don't want anyone who doesn't wanna be here