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But it’s not tiresome for you cons to beach about legal abortions, inflation, Biden this, Biden that, beach about Hillary, beach about Obama, beach about all democrats coming for your guns, and beach about a NFL player taking a knee for equality? You cons really do crack me up. It’s a one way street with con’s and everyone is going the wrong way but you cons.

Umm the left is the ones complaining about abortions now.

You mean after 50 years of hearing your side beach about it, right?

Yes Sir. You are correct.

Says you. I hear no beaching where I live. You got what you wanted in your great state. A longer prison sentence for those who get an abortion after they were raped by the devil than the devil himself.

I got part of what I wanted not all.

Abortion on demand and for convenience sake gone in ohio.... check
exception for the life and health of the mother... check
exception for rape/incest.... NOPE nada didn't get it .... so while I got the first two I wanted, I didn't get the third.

He got what he wanted. Suffering for those hell never meet.

Liar

How a Pregnant Woman in Alabama Got Stuck in Jail for Months Despite No Arrest

The jail is somewhat notorious in the state.

BY MOLLY OLMSTEAD
SEPT 08, 202212:17 PM



On Wednesday, AL.com reported that a pregnant 23-year-old woman had been held in a jail for three months in Etowah County, Alabama. The reason for her imprisonment is a county rule that requires pregnant women arrested on drug charges to go through rehab and post $10,000 in cash bail before they can leave.

The woman, Ashley Banks, was arrested on charges of chemical endangerment of her fetus. She admitted she had smoked pot the day she learned she was pregnant, around six weeks into the pregnancy. Despite being ordered to attend rehab, the rehab center refused to take her, saying she didn’t meet a level of need that would warrant treatment. This left her stuck in jail, even after she developed a pregnancy complication that left her bleeding for weeks.

After a certain point, Banks alleged, she had to sleep on the floor. She spent those three months living in unsanitary and stressful conditions—conditions that increase the risk of pregnancy complications—despite not yet being convicted of any crimes. (In addition to the marijuana, she was arrested for having an unregistered gun and for failing to appear in court for an earlier property theft charge.) She continued to sleep on the floor until she was released by a judge in late August.

She’s not alone. According to AL.com, this Etowah County bond condition has affected a number of other women. The Etowah County Detention Center typically holds several pregnant and postpartum women in jail in these prenatal “chemical endangerment” cases, despite the higher rates of miscarriages for incarcerated women. The National Advocates for Pregnant Women told AL.com it had found more than 150 such cases in the county since 2010. And far from “protecting” women or their in utero offspring, families have complained that the jail could be considered a higher-risk place for drug abuse, given the stress and depression inmates face. At least one person has died from a suspected overdose at the Etowah County jail.

Had these women not been pregnant, they would have been able to post bail and leave. But Alabama has a history of placing pregnant women in a different legal category. Chemical endangerment laws that apply to women who have used drugs during a pregnancy can carry stiff penalties; According to AL.com, if the pregnancies result in a miscarriage or stillbirth, women can face up to 99 years in prison.

According to the AL.com article, another woman, Hali Burns, tested positive for drugs during her pregnancy and was arrested after giving birth. After she was sent to jail, she had to stuff paper towels into her pants to cope with the bleeding. Two months later, AL.com reported, Burns remains in the hospital following her medically risky postpartum period.

Alabama is not known for having the most humane incarceration system, but the Etowah County Detention Center has had a particularly dark history. Some of the allegations inmates have directed at the center over the past couple decades include unusually long stays, poor medical care, and no access to any outdoor spaces. The most common complaint, though, has been of malnourishment. A number of people who went through the jail complained of barely edible food, sometimes rotten, expired, or even “insect-infested.” Some said they had gotten food poisoning. Others claimed to have lost significant amounts of weight. One person told AL.com at the time that “salads were made with rotten lettuce, we had beans every day and noodles with no taste.” Others recalled eating porridge and bread.

In 2018, AL.com reported that the sheriff of Etowah County had pocketed around $1.5 million from a fund meant to feed inmates. The sheriff, Todd Entrekin, had not violated state law as it was written—the Depression-era law was meant for a time when the sheriff and his wife were personally responsible for feeding inmates—but it soon became apparent that he had cut corners with meals, possibly in order to purchase a beach house. Entrekin was voted out of office after the reporting came out.

Many of the inmates who suffered through poor conditions at the Etowah County jail were stuck in immigration purgatory. From 1997 until March of this year, Etowah County served as a detention center for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. This helped the institution’s finances: By around 2011, the jail had become profitable for the sheriff, with federal funding swelling to match the growing immigrant population. In recent years, an average of 300 ICE detainees were held in the jail at a time, with the federal government paying $45 per inmate per day.

In March, citing “a long history of serious deficiencies identified during facility inspections,” ICE announced it would no longer send detainees to Etowah. Before that happened, one immigrant alleged that he was placed in solitary confinement for two months because he asked for a COVID test. He was not alone in feeling the jail was not taking COVID seriously enough, and for pregnant women, that concern carries extra urgency. Medical professionals urged the facilities not to hold pregnant women, given the higher rates of complications and even miscarriage that come with COVID.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/alabama-jail-pregnant-woman-fetus-marijuana.html

Extremist GOPers don't give a damn.

This about controlling women. Period. Any GOP’r that states otherwise is a liar.
They secretly hate women. Any that say otherwise are liars.
They seek pain and suffering for those they’ll never meet. Any that say otherwise are liars.

Your getting delusional bro.

Bite me.
You bring suffering with your vote. Own it.
You revel in your win. Now revel in the pain it causes. I know it makes your heart glow knowing you’ve brought suffering to others. Just own it dude.

As I said Your getting delusional bro. Have a nice day.

Complete and utter balderdash.

If hating people that you disagree with helps you sleep at night, great. But this is next level horse potatoes.

I'm not sure how you would describe inflicting your own personal beliefs on others to the point it causes pain, serious health problems and even death in some cases. Maybe it's not about just controlling women. Maybe it's about controlling everyone that thinks other than the way you do?

Transgender 8th grader taken out of class for questioning by Texas child welfare investigator, mom says

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I find it quite odd that we have parents all over this country trying to dictate what is taught in their schools, "Don't say gay" because they feel they have the right to control their children. Don't teach them all of history because we want part of it hidden from my child. Then as soon as they disagree with parents about their own childrens sexual identity, they want to stick their noses in and interfere. Why? Because they wish to inflict their morals and their beliefs upon others. That sounds a whole lot like control to me.

How would you ascribe using a group to denote traits. All GOP people hate all women, if they say they don't they are a liar. That is absolute balderdash, you know it, but I said something so you will take the other side even if it oppycock because you need a fight.

There are right wing people that hate "fill in the blank" there are left wing people that hate "fill in the blank" there are right wing people want control, there are left wing people that want control.

But to group everyone together and make blanket statements, especially absurd extreme statements like those is plain wrong.

Step off.

I only addressed the control issue. Nothing else. Try to focus.

Of course you did. You only address little bits in ways so you can always be "right".

The whole post was ridiculous, if you can't see that you are part of the problem with political discourse today.

Try to be an adult for a change.

I address the points I find worthy of addressing. We actually agree on the remaining portion so there's really nothing to discuss. For a person suggesting someone else try to be an adult you're acting very childish.

Assume you are NOT black....how'd you like looking all the time at stuff named after enemies. Take the time to watch this TED talk. It DIRECTLY connects racial thinking...youtube- Architecture built to heal, Michael Murphy...the end of the 15 min video speaks to a national monument recognizing our THOUSANDS of black lynchings. It is being built in Montgomery, Alabama- where large number of Confederate artifacts/statues praise the Confederacy. I challenge you to watch whole video....it's spectacular. And, Michael Murphy is a GREAT human being for lots of reason.

I'll make it easy for folks to find.

You voted for all 3 bro. You can’t walk that back now. You got exactly what you voted for in Ohio. Many women will suffer and die at the hands of voting in your deplorable candidates who stacked the SC with extreme judges who lied to congress when questioned and answered they’d vote no to overturn Row vs W then almost immediately overturned it. So we have a couple of liars on the SC now to deal with. Murica thanks you.

You are so full of crap it's a wonder you don;t explode. You my friend are delusional . Seek some help, or just learn to read. Either one will help you. I voted to stop abortion on demand. Please feel free to let me know when somebody votes 100 percent like we would if we were them. Oh wait YOU can't you just want to cry like a baby when you don't get your way. I complained about abortions the first day Roe VS Wade passed. I bashed anybody who didn't agree with me. I didn't make it personal. I did so for almost 50 years. Now a few months later you have to act like a donkey because your not getting your way.

You claim many woman will suffer, Well let me know when your heart will worry about the millions of human babies that have had their lives snuffed out by their own mothers (which is so damn sick)

If your idea of America is It's OK to snuff out innocent lives for no reason other than convience you should move to China where they only let you have ONE kid.

Your explanation confuses me just a bit. I explain to you all the time that I don't believe in abortion yet I do not believe it's my right to inflict my beliefs on others. In response you claim that I support killing babies. But you see, I also understand that for voting against abortion rights I put those restrictions in the hands of the very people you have chosen to do and knew full and well what those consequences would be. Had I have done so I would have been responsible for that too. You claim your only reasoning was to stop "abortions of convenience" yet you knew the other consequences of your actions. Maybe you should own it?

It's pretty sad that you wish to label everyone who only wants to permit each women to make their own choice as baby killers on one hand then refuse to accept responsibility for the pain and suffering you helped create on the other hand. You voted to put abortion restrictions in the hands of extremists and you knew that when you did it. And now it's time to pay the piper.

Your responses say your OK with murdering babies bro. Say you don;t agree with it all day long but the fact is that you vote and say it's OK. You support killing innocent babies, try to changed what you earn all day long but anybody with an IQ over 50 knows you support killing babies in the womb. For some reason your to afraid to come right out and admit that even though everybody sees it. Bring it one bro. I love ya, but I'm willing to fight

You do need to own it. You got what you voted for, but not exactly what you wished for. Ohio…Sending a 10 year old rape victim to Indiana to have the devils seed removed. Pffft

Which is i sick IMO As I haVE SAID BEFORE. You however are taking one side with perfect results witch never happens. I live in this world, you however live in a fantasy world.

OK I will OWN IT ALL DAY LONG, when you admit millions of babies have been murdered by their own mothers.

But why should he have to admit to a blatant lie? Mothers weren't murdering babies, it's been explained time and again. You are just too thick-headed to get it because you are a brainwashed right-wing religious zealot. That dog (anti-abortionist right) caught the tire and now I'm just waiting to see what it's going to do with it; let go and live or hold on and perish. And I think GOPers are pretty slipt on it, while the left, not so much. None of it will stand for long, the writing is on the wall. And I will be laughing at you when it all comes down and crashes onto your party breaking it further. Those villainous people deserve all the pain that hits them x10.

My party? LMFAO


Funny when we agreed on covid, masks, Social Security, medicare, snap, taxes for social programs, WIC and other programs. I wasn't a religious zealot, but when we disagree on abortion you start the person attacks, and all at once you think I am a religious zealot even though I have stated over and over again that I was against abortion before I was even a Christian.

To believe in something is to live it. The only place we actually disagree is that you feel you have some right to inflict your beliefs on others while I don't. It's that simple. I know full well what the consequences are of leaving things like this in the hands of extremists. We're seeing how that plays out.

I should have never said a thing because I prefer not to even talk to you these days. But I'll respond to your nonsense a final time with this; I don't give a damn what you are or what you believe. You and those who believe like you are using your beliefs to hurt others and I choose to stand for your victims. People like you are no different than any other villains in history's worst moments for humanity. Christofascists.

And you can't accuse me of personal attacks because I intentionally stopped having a damn thing to do with you a few days after the Roe overturn. Your gloating glee those few days was disgusting enough to gag a maggot. And I personally have not said a word to you since then, until that post earlier here. But I've seen you attacked by others over this and generally agree with what they've said to you, regardless of what you and I may have agreed on in the past. You are on the wrong side of history on this and made yourself an enemy of those who believe in choice. I will protect your right to NOT have an abortion while I fight for their right to choose because I'm not a zealot who thinks I have the right to push my ridiculous religious beliefs on you. I don't expect that you can fully discern the difference.

I want to make no mistake about it, GM and I are not enemies. In fact we are friends. This is an issue that we strongly disagree on. You don't have to agree on everything to be friends. I have many friends that we disagree on our politics. We discuss our disagreements. To be friends doesn't require that you agree on everything or have exactly the same view on everything. It doesn't mean you have to kiss each others ass. In fact I think the strongest friendships are based on openness and honesty with each other. If friends can't have disagreements and remain friends, they were never really friends in the first place.

While I won't names names, someone I often go around with on this board and I met face to face. We got along great in person. For some reason he thought that meant from that point on I would never disagree with him. Once I did on the board he seemed to think I had stabbed him in the back. He somehow thought that trying to have a friendship meant kissing his ass. That's not how friendships are supposed to work.

In the coming years, the PEOPLE will decide.. There is and never was a need for a few old SOB's to dictate what we can and can't do with out own bodies or who we can love.

I'm guessing you will see Same Sex Marrage, Some form of Abortion etc handled at the Voting Booth if Republicans don't get in the way of folks being allowed to vote.


It will all be the peoples choice. Not mine and not yours and not any organized or disorganized religion.

Then we need to take away the Tax Exempt Status from all religions. if they want a vote in matters, they do what the rest of us have to do, pay taxes.

I never said he was YOUR enemy, I was speaking in generalities. We disagree a lot, and we're still friends too. Yet I've never seen you force your religious beliefs on others. Did I miss that? And I don't hate GM the person, I hate his stance and views on this and was absolutely sickened by his jubilance over the overturning of Roe, since I knew things like the Ohio 10-year-old rape victim and Texas woman they tried to charge with murder would be happening due to that ruling. No, I simply find his beliefs unconscionable and low-brow. You can feel however you want.

He always told us who he was on this topic, true. But his stance was unimportant because it would never be overturned. Nobody anticipated that the Trump-packed court would actually stoop so low. But now his stance is a true threat to women and democracy IMHO, as are the others he votes with and for, and I prefer not to associate with him due to this. That is that as far as I'm concerned.

No, that's another place where we disagree. I do not believe in forcing my religious beliefs on others. But I'm not so sure that his views are based solely on religion. Many people view abortion as murder based on their personal beliefs. I based my comment on this statement you made in your previous post....


If I misunderstood your intent, my mistake. I simply wished to clear up any confusion this may have created. At least when it comes to me.

America's children have paid the piper with their lives for 50 years. Let me know when y'all cry for them.

I saw how that played out for 50 years. Americans have killed approx 63 million children in the womb since 1973. Talk about extreme.

You gloated for 50 years about abortion. I made a few comments when it was overturned, and you immediately started throwing a temper tantrum and it hasn't let up yet.

Pitt and myself in real life