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Sounds like a good idea to me. im not so sure about including conference champs from some of the lower tier conferences, but it does make sense.
Its a darn shame that the D1a (or whatever they call themselves now) champion isnt determined on the field like practically every other sport in the world. Its what makes big time college football a joke in my book.
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I like having the lower conferences. It gives those schools a chance, plus gives those with the higher rankings an easier game to get to the next round. I really like this idea...
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My favorite college team playing the college that I attend! 
I want the Cleveland Browns to be my pallbearers so they can let me down for the last time.
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I feel deprived anyitme I think about this. I mean can you imagine tOSU V. LSU in a SEMIFINAL game. Are you kidding me. I don't know why we can't make this happen. I am going to be force fed Mizzou V. West Virgina for all the marbles. I am sorry but those teams are not even in the top five. JMO
I am a football fan, and I long to see good teams play with everything on the line. I want to see that OU V. USC game in ROUND 1. I really dont' care if Mizzou can beat WV to be honest with you, both of them go .500 in the SEC. And that is coming from a Big 12 guy....
Sorry this is one of my soapboxes.
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Its not just that. A USC/Oklahoma game, even Kansas/Hawaii would get good ratings. It makes so much sense, why can't the NCAA get this right already?
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Tim Dahlberg of the AP has an interesting idea.. I'm not sure 100% on this one but it does have some merits.. web page College football Using wallet votes to settle No. 1 debate makes sense Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:06 AM By Tim Dahlberg The Bowl Championship Series computer says Missouri is the best college football team in the country. So, too, do a group of pollsters who are charged with the weekly task of rating teams. Down on the Las Vegas Strip, though, the Tigers aren't even rated the best team in their next game, against No. 9 Oklahoma. For decades, people who follow college football have tried to figure out surefire ways to crown legitimate national champions, with varying degrees of success. In recent years the BCS has taken over with a system that forgoes a playoff in favor of computers and polls. There are, of course, better ways. Here's one: Why not just turn it over to the oddsmakers, who rate with their wallets instead of a ballot? "We do it for a living. If we send out bad numbers we're going to lose clients," said Mike Seba, senior oddsmaker at Las Vegas Sports Consultants, which sets much of the Vegas line. "We have to be right." Being right in this case means Oklahoma is a 3-point favorite against Missouri in a game the Tigers must win to get in the BCS championship. Bettors seem to be in agreement if the wagers so far are any indication. But don't stop there. Southern California is ranked No. 8 in the BCS and doesn't have a shot at the national title game after two midseason losses. Put the Trojans on a neutral field with Missouri right now, and USC would be at least a 3-point favorite and possibly more to beat the No. 1 team in the country. The same goes for once-beaten Ohio State. "The polls are just a measuring stick for popularity," said Jay Kornegay, who runs the sports book at the Las Vegas Hilton. "It's like voting for prom queen." The polls sometimes give great matchups, such as Texas-USC two years ago. But this year's possible title game likely will have little interest outside two small media markets in Missouri and West Virginia. Fox is paying $80 million this year for four of the five BCS games, including the Jan. 7 national title game in New Orleans. Last year, it got a premier matchup between Florida and Ohio State for its money. Charles Davis, who will be a Fox analyst for the BCS title game, believes USC is the best team in the country right now, but the way the BCS system is set up it is almost impossible for a team with two losses to make the title game. That has purists screaming for a playoff system that would clearly identify the best two teams the way it is done in college basketball.
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They are depriving me of seeing good football games. I am sick of having to watch Mizzou and Kansas and being told that it's good. Those teams are middle of the road. They don't ever beat anybody and I am sick of it. Lets get together for the last month of the year and instead of sitting around for a month waiting to play another meaningless game and call it a bowl.......We should let some fireworks fly....Who is up for Georgia V. USC in a SEMIFINAL game. That would be a bloodbath. I would have to take off a full day of work just to prepare for a game of that magnitude.
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I would like to know the spread of all of the top 15 V.
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Does that make sense. I bet the three would nto be favored in 50% of those games. They are just not that good, they have not beat anydody. Kansas' best win was ATM. Come on there needs to be a revolt, a boycott of the NC game.
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I always thought it was foolish that some teams sat around at home for a month or month and a half till their "bowl" game.
Imagine if the NFC and AFC championship games were the last week of January, then the Superbowl wasn't until March 15th. The season would lose it's momentum and luster.
The build up is what garners attention to the Championship Game, and the chance that anyone that can make the playoffs has a chance to run it, makes for excitement.
11 conference leaders +5 is pretty fair, and gives alot more teams a much better chance at making their dreams come true. Imagine, Kent State, or Bowling Green in the playoffs, and the adrenaline drives them to the final 4 or better. Cinderella story all the way.
The current BCS would never have either team ranked in the top 20 much less seeing a championship.
It would also give those smaller school more incentive to approach their programs with more ventured interest, and even possibly get some better athletes.
There's alot of athletes that may feel they wouldn't start at Miami, USC or OSU, but think they could in a smaller conference on a team that is decent enough to win their conference and get a chance at a championship, eventually, influxing talent into some of the smaller conferences.
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Charles Davis, who will be a Fox analyst for the BCS title game, believes USC is the best team in the country right now, but the way the BCS system is set up it is almost impossible for a team with two losses to make the title game.
I don't get why they blame the BCS for this,...2-loss Georgia and Oklahoma both have legitimate shots if West Virginia loses. The polls are what drive the BCS results -- the poll voters are to blame if USC and Georgia aren't the two top ranked teams. Not Missouri, West Virginia or Ohio State. They have taken care of business. I, for one, do not call losing to Stanford "taking care of business."
The votes are divvied up based on losses, and the timing of the loss.
It wouldn't be any different at all under the old system, where everyone would be going to their own "established" bowl game.
The fact of the matter is, it ain't about getting it right -- it's about getting us to sit down and watch, subconsciously sucking in the drivel from the commercials, then going out and buying the product.
Does it stink ?? Yes. Am I going to boycott the NC game because Ohio State ain't in it -- NO.
Herbie's argument today on the radio was good -- you're not going to follow your team, jet-setting across the country through a series of 3 playoff games. It's a logistical/work/vacation/personal DI nightmare. HOWEVER, I think the crowds at these proposed playoff sites would not be deterred at all. I know I would love to attend a playoff game in Columbus -- no matter WHO is in it -- as compared to the cost of a one-time Bowl game trip that most of us cannot afford,...
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just looking at the picture of potential games
wvu vs. lsu wow that would be a great one so much speed on offense there
usc vs. georgia possibly the 2 best teams right now
florida vs. osu the rematch
florida vs. lsu the rematch
and it also gives hawaii a chance
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I really like this setup. Work the 4 major Bowls into, and man what a setup. 
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LSU has an offense? lol, sorry couldn't help it! (yes I know they have scored some TDs. lighten up.)
also I hope your schedule doesnt' come to pass. I hate seeing teams that are not from the Big Ten or Pac-ten in the rose bowl. I'm just to old school.
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The four major bowls would be the final four. What's not to like? NCAAF needs to get with the program and crown a true national champ like every other sport and every other division in football.
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Exactly, that would magnify the pagentry on the road to the championship.  Where do I vote?
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Just to keep the discussion invigorated, here are the SOS rankings of the Top 12 BCS teams; (I went down to 12 in order to include Hawaii,....)
(SOS Rank) BCS Rank
1. Florida (6) 10
2. Virginia Tech (12) 6
3. Georgia (19) 4
4. Missouri (21) 1
5. Boston College (32) 11
6. LSU (35) 7
7. Ohio State (46) 3
8. West Virginia (48) 2
9. Oklahoma (52) 9
10. USC (79) 8
11. Kansas (82) 5
12. Hawaii (117) 12
Notice how close this pans out to the three teams at the top of the BCS,...
# 1 Missouri -- SOS 21
# 2 West Virginia -- SOS 48
# 3 Ohio State -- SOS 46
Yes, this comparison ignores all other 2 or more loss teams. There has to be a penalty at some point for losing,....
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This is the exact system I have been saying for a LONG TIME! Anytime I talk about a college football playoff this is exactly what I would say too!
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Nice graphic Beerdowner. The other divisions have a playoff system,no reason why major college football can't either. Too much money with these bowl games.
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Exactly -- "Too much money with these bowl games,..."
That the other divisions get it done is an invalid point -- they don't generate the cash that Division One does.
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Exactly -- "Too much money with these bowl games,..."
That the other divisions get it done is an invalid point -- they don't generate the cash that Division One does.
You think the DI Tourny would not generate money??? Hand over fist. Hand over fist.
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Penalty yes.....Ruin your season no. What this season has done is assure us limited future matchups between teams like Texas and Ohio State. After watching Kansas come within one win aginast a marginal Mizzou team away frmo playing for it all, why would a college coach not follow this blueprint. PLay as easy a 5 games as you can find to opent the season, and hope the SEC beats each other out. I just don't like it I want ot see good football games.
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I don't see how you can call Mizzou and Wv average teams. Have you watched them play? They're electric on offense and wv has a top d to go along with their o
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They are electric on offense? Against who? I am not saying they are not any good, but if they play a good team I think they will lose more times than not.
Look don't get me wrong I love College Football, I like all the stories I like that Mizzou has had a great year....Kansas too, and WV.....I think the Big 10 is down right luaghable at times, but I love watching the physical games in the cold....I like the rivalry games, I love staying up late sn watching the Pac 10....And the SEC is borderline NFL in how physical they are...Point is I like it all, but I feel I am cheated by someone telling me that two teams are the best and they will play and thats it. I don't really care if WV can beat Mizzou, I want to see if they can beat Georgia. I want to see if Mizzou can beat USC. I just don't think that those two teams are the best and I don't some computer can tell me that that game is the NC game.
I would not mind if we made the season last all the way up until baseball starts. Just keep playing all the way to Feb.....Lets settle in on the field, not with some dude with a pocketprotecter making tweeks in some computer system.....Spits out a piece of paper and tells me who is good. I've been watching, I know that there are at least 5 or 6 teams that would be favored over both of those schools.
It's all mute anyhow...BlowU will take care of the Mighty Chase Daniels this weekend. JMO
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That the other divisions get it done is an invalid point -- they don't generate the cash that Division One does.
You think the DI Tourny would not generate money??? Hand over fist. Hand over fist.
I don't doubt that at all,...
As to your point about waiting for the SEC to "fall apart," Florida didn't last year, and it took LSU until just last week before THEY eliminated themselves, not the BCS. I think we're seeing plenty of good football.
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Sorry folks, but this system will never suffice.....
until you work out a playoff that allows every team from the SEC in, you'll have 3-9 Ole Miss or 5-7 Vanderbilt yelling how if they didn't have to play in the SEC, they would have run the table and deserve a shot at the National Title game.
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I'll give you they had a pretty weak schedule, but so did OSU.
I can't say what they'd do in the SEC.
That's why we need a playoff, we don't know how good they are. If they were to win it all in a 16 team playoff, there would be no doubt they'd be the best team but without one, we can only assume the pollsters are right.
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Sorry folks, but this system will never suffice.....
until you work out a playoff that allows every team from the SEC in, you'll have 3-9 Ole Miss or 5-7 Vanderbilt yelling how if they didn't have to play in the SEC, they would have run the table and deserve a shot at the National Title game.
Nobody's going to listen to a .500 ro below team. That is the great thing about a playoff, playing good teams....The teams you mentioned has already had thier chance against good teams.
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Sorry folks, but this system will never suffice.....
until you work out a playoff that allows every team from the SEC in, you'll have 3-9 Ole Miss or 5-7 Vanderbilt yelling how if they didn't have to play in the SEC, they would have run the table and deserve a shot at the National Title game.
I think you're exaggerating just a bit... Vanderbilt had one "decent" out of conference game against Wake Forest and got beat. 
I could see a 2-loss or perhaps even a 3-loss team making a fuss, but a sub .500 team? Nobody would take them seriously.
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PLay as easy a 5 games as you can find to opent the season, and hope the SEC beats each other out. I just don't like it I want ot see good football games.
That is what some teams do and hope for(cough,cough)
If you want to watch good, hard played football games between teams who can actually beat each other on any given Saturday without it being a total fluke.....watch the SEC.
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My 2 cents on the college football playoff...
It would be the greatest thing ever. Now that the SEC won't be in the Nat'l Championship game, something might happen sooner, rather than later. You should have heard the drivel and crying I heard visiting my parents in Lexington last weekend about the SEC getting shut out. Their tears are getting pathetic. Heck, I'll fully admit that Georgia and LSU would have their way with OSU this year...but this is the system we're dealt with --- it's their Presidents that voted this debacle in place, and worse yet, gave it a long term contract.
I'm still more in favor of a 12 team tourney, with the top 4 getting a bye week. Or if it is 16, then reward the teams with large finacial sums for where they are slotted (money is what this comes down to anyways). Reason I say that...and this is the only logical argument I've ever heard "against" the playoff format for major college football...
Take last year as a perfect example - OSU vs. Michigan, ranked #1-2, last game of the season, and everything that traditionally exemplifies this game as the biggest non-bowl game in the NCAA every year. Now...picture Tressel and Carr benching or saving Smith, Ginn, Gonzales, Hart, Henne, Long, etc in order to "save" them for the tournament - because each team knows that even if they lose, they'd still be in. There needs to be some sort of incentive, or check & balance system to ensure that something like that wouldn't be likely to happen in an OSU-Michigan game, Bama-Auburn, SEC Championship, etc.
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picture Tressel and Carr benching or saving Smith, Ginn, Gonzales, Hart, Henne, Long, etc in order to "save" them for the tournament - because each team knows that even if they lose, they'd still be in.
This is actually one of the most valid arguments I have heard. I would hate to ruin these great rivialry games. I don't think however that would happen very often. I think both teams tryin to win the Big 10 would play and win. It would be too dicy to leave it up to getting one of those automatic bids. In the 16 team format, with only 5 auto bids I would not want to chance it with a late loss.
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Take last year as a perfect example - OSU vs. Michigan, ranked #1-2, last game of the season, and everything that traditionally exemplifies this game as the biggest non-bowl game in the NCAA every year. Now...picture Tressel and Carr benching or saving Smith, Ginn, Gonzales, Hart, Henne, Long, etc in order to "save" them for the tournament - because each team knows that even if they lose, they'd still be in. There needs to be some sort of incentive, or check & balance system to ensure that something like that wouldn't be likely to happen in an OSU-Michigan game, Bama-Auburn, SEC Championship, etc.
There already is... Given your example and the playoff outlined above, the winner of OSU-UM gets to play Central Michigan in the first round, the loser likely gets Virginia Tech or even LSU...
There is still a pretty strong incentive to win as many games as possible.
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Just as a side note and tying into the article I posted, I just picked up my spot card from the bookie. Mizzou is getting 3 points from Oklahoma, the over is 68 and the under is 65. None of which sounds like Missoura should be #1...
In another game of interest to me it shows that UCLA is getting 21 from So Cal and West By God is spotting Pitt Panthers 30 freakin points..
In the SEC they have LSU giving the Volunteers 7
I think my point being, some teams are being ranked where they should be..
**Note Incidentally, the Browns and the Cards are a push at 2 even.
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Does anyone think that the College Coaches want a playoff? I don't, in that 16 team bracket only one team can end it's season on a win. In the current system out of those 16 teams 10 will play each other in the five BCS bowls which 5 will end the season on a win. Out of the remaining 6 teams will most likely be in a bowl against other teams where the possibility that 11 of those 16 can end the season on a win.
It's much easier to recruite and keep your job when you win your last game. The only time you will see a coach complain about the system is when thier team might get screwed.
I want a playoff, most fans want a playoff, sports writers want a playoff. They can still incorporate the bowl system with the playoff where the (4) main bowls are the final four and then the NT bowl with the winners. NCAAF would still make hands over fist of money with a playoff system.
Why won't they do it? The big Conferences want to protect thier teams/players and Coaches want to protect thier jobs. That's it end of story, the playoffs will never happen. Best we can hope for is a +1.
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PLay as easy a 5 games as you can find to opent the season, and hope the SEC beats each other out. I just don't like it I want ot see good football games.
That is what some teams do and hope for(cough,cough)
If you want to watch good, hard played football games between teams who can actually beat each other on any given Saturday without it being a total fluke.....watch the SEC.
Some folks talk like Ohio State is the only team in the country that does this, and then say they're doing it on purpose. Would this even be a discussion if the Buckeyes were 12-0 ?? It didn't seem to be last year, and they played Bowling Green (?),....LSU had their shot and blew it in their own conference, just like Ohio State did to Illinois, just like Oklahoma did to Texas Tech.
What the hell is everyone gonna say if Mizz and West Virginia lose,....that Georgia "backed in ?"
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