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When we used the 1st round pick of the 2008 draft to move back into the 1st round of the 2007 draft so we could take Quinn, there was a lot of people (in the press as well as here) who felt we paid too much to do so. Even though Quinn was - Deemed by many to be the most NFL-ready QB in college
- Projected by many as a top-5 pick, and
- Had fallen all the way to #22
Of course, many of those same people had projected us to go 2-14 this year and hand Dallas a shot at Darren McFadden. Now that we're in the playoff hunt and doing so well, no one has mentioned us overpaying to move up the 14 spots. If the season ended today we'd be in the playoffs and the earliest we'd pick would be 21st, which is about where we ended up taking Quinn anyway, and still way below where he was projected. But we weren't the only team to trade a 2008 1st round pick to move back into the 1st round of the 2007 draft. Another team did so, to move up 15 spots into the tail end of the 1st round. At the time, I could not find one mention that maybe that team overpaid to move up. They did not move up to take a guy who had fallen past his projected spot, they moved up to grab him about where he was expected to go. No doubt he would not be there when this team picked again, so they had to move up to get him. The player is Joe Staley, and the team is San Francisco. If the season ended today, San Francisco would pick anywhere from #4 to #6, I didn't explore the tie breakers. Of course, hindsight is 20-20, but I'd say we did much better with our trade. Knowing what we know today, we'd still make our deal but I doubt SF would make theirs. The great news in all of this is that New England is the team who holds SF's pick next year. Losing their original pick over videogate is no big deal.
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Me don't think we gave up too much regardless of where we would've ended up...
NE with a Top 5 pick is INSANE...
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Excellent post CapCity...Not to also mention that Staley is not fairing too well. Also the 49ers are high up there giving up 37 sacks.
Great observations. BQ was a steal at 22...and as Savage stated will have a year under his belt so that he would be better than any QB we'd get a shot at in 08. Right now we are at 21 and with our remaining schedule could go a lot lower than that.
Btw...as the #2 BQ has been taking the standard 20% reps in practice with the numbers ones. He is said to be doing well and is prepared to play every game. RAC stated that he is confident that he could "Manage" the offense.
And because of BQ already being here we could have a windfall scenario involving DA.
Also to add more fuel - I know this isn't a QB thread but without BQ here I doubt we would have traded Frye. With Frye still here would DA have prospered the way he did? It was said that once we traded Frye that is when DA's confidence took over and got him going in the right direction. Would those two have been bouncing back n forth in futility as they did in Pre-season or would we be led by Dorsey???
Savage n RAC know what they are doing 
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Keep in mind though. Although San Francisco gave up their 1st round to New England, they also got Indy's first rounder. Granted number 4-6 is a far cry from the number 28-30 pick. No doubt that New England getting the 4th, 5th or 6th pick overall is insane. And knowing Belicheck, he'll probably try to trade his 30 something overall pick (that was forfeited) to someone.  
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If the season ended today we'd be in the playoffs and the earliest we'd pick would be 21st, Nope, we don't have a first round as of today..we start in the second round..and mid-to -late second round. If your senero was today the Cowboys pick they got from us would put them almost exacty where they recieved the pick last year 
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I worded that poorly. I know we don't have a pick in the 1st this year, I was referring to our slot, or whatever you call it. 
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Keep in mind though. Although San Francisco gave up their 1st round to New England, they also got Indy's first rounder.
I hope that Indy falters a bit down the stretch so that first round pick is a bit higher when the 9ers sign DA.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Quinn was a solid top 5 pick in my opinion. Getting him where we did was a pretty good bargain. With the possibility of us actually making the playoff and moving the pick into the 20s this has becomes a much better deal than we could have hoped for.
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I don't think it works that way. I believe the picks given up in compensation, or whatever it's called, have to be the teams own picks or higher. So SanFran would have to work out a trade for DA if they wanted him.
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We are currently slotted at the #24 pick, which Dallas gets of course, if the season ended today.
Dallas has the 31st pick, if the Superbowl didn't factor into the selection order. There was talk of them packaging our pick and theirs to move up for Darren McFadded, of course that logic was based on us having a top 10 pick. Currently the best they could get to (using the handy-dandy value chart) is pick #9 or #10. McFadden is expected to be long gone by then.
Back to the topic; You are correct a lot of people are not making a big deal out of all of this, yet. Once the draft comes around we should start hearing how this was a great move by Savage, if all things stayed similiar as today.
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I hope that Indy falters a bit down the stretch so that first round pick is a bit higher when the 9ers sign DA.
I could be 100% wrong, but are you allowed to give picks garnered from another team in regards to RFA's? I don't see any reason why you couldn't, but I'd heard something along those lines.
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I hope that Indy falters a bit down the stretch so that first round pick is a bit higher when the 9ers sign DA.
I could be 100% wrong, but are you allowed to give picks garnered from another team in regards to RFA's? I don't see any reason why you couldn't, but I'd heard something along those lines.
PDR, I'm wondering if that were true, would that mean SF would be out of the running if we tendered DA to a 1st/3rd level?
That would suck for them that they couldn't even attempt to gain his services without working out a trade.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but not only did Quinn cost us next year's 1st roudn pick, but it cost us our 2nd round pick this last year? And it wasn't just any old second round pick... it was the 35th overal.. We had to give up our 3rd and 4th rounders (again, high in each round) or something to get Eric Wright, didn't we?
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I hope that Indy falters a bit down the stretch so that first round pick is a bit higher when the 9ers sign DA.
Not gonna happen. Minneosta is going to break the bank for DA.
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The Browns traded their 2007 2nd and 2008 1st to get Quinn. Then they traded their 3rd and 4th, plus shifted spots with Dallas in most of the later rounds to move back into the 2nd to get Wright.
The pick that the Browns had (#36) eventually became property of the Eagles, who used it to draft Kevin Kolb.
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I don't know why Dallas wants McFadden. Are you just saying this or is it a known fact? I just want to know because they already have a good back in Julius Jones and an up and coming stud in Marion Barber the 3rd, I just want to know why they want McFadden.
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I would bet that they will either take a top-flight WR, McFadden or other topotier RB or try to trade down to stockpile picks so that they can start reloading that defense.... their LBers will are all pretty damn old and retirement isn't far off.
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The great news in all of this is that New England is the team who holds SF's pick next year. Losing their original pick over videogate is no big deal.
Any bets they are willing to drop down to a lower pick if they can get two firsts from someone......Dallas?
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Not sure how you are comparing the 2? Its not like we r doing so well cuz of our trade....on the othre hand SF isn't doing great and they expected their guy to start....we didn't expect quinn will start from game 1...that might have happen to if he came to camp on time..
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As I'm always a believer in selling high, what if time...
If we can win out over the next four games, Cards, Jets, Bills and Bengals and the Titans lose just one of the next four games, Texans, Chargers, Chiefs and Jets we would lock up the wild card spot prior to going into the game with the 49ers.
Do you at that time start BQ to see what you have to know if you tender the offer to DA and try to get the 1st and 3rd for him?
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I would bet the bank on it. If they lose out on McFadden (and it's just speculation that they are after him too), I can't see the Pats just taking a guy at 2 or 3 just to take him. Pioli and Belichick almost are a lock to move down at least once.
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Yup, that's my guess.....
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I would bet the bank on it. If they lose out on McFadden (and it's just speculation that they are after him too), I can't see the Pats just taking a guy at 2 or 3 just to take him. Pioli and Belichick almost are a lock to move down at least once.
I see them getting McFadden. they have the picks to burn for one more year before getting the D new blood.
they want all out domination
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I would bet the bank on it. If they lose out on McFadden (and it's just speculation that they are after him too), I can't see the Pats just taking a guy at 2 or 3 just to take him. Pioli and Belichick almost are a lock to move down at least once.
I see them getting McFadden. they have the picks to burn for one more year before getting the D new blood.
they want all out domination
I think so too, but at the same time they don't have a ton of holes to fill with a Top 5 Pick
QB - Check
RB - Maybe... but they love the duo of Maroney and Morris
FB - Go Heath Evans!
WR - Maybe. They will probably keep Moss, but even if they drop Stallworth (likely), they still have a lot of talent. Maybe they would take DeSean Jackson, should he declare
TE - No one worth it there
OT - Not a need
OG - Not a need
C - Not a need
DE - Not a need
DT - Not a need
OLB - No one worth it there
ILB - Not a need, plus this is a spot they want veterans
CB - Maybe a need if they get rid of Samuel, so I could see Cason here
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Not sure how you are comparing the 2? Its not like we r doing so well cuz of our trade....on the othre hand SF isn't doing great and they expected their guy to start....we didn't expect quinn will start from game 1...that might have happen to if he came to camp on time..
Didn't say we're doing well because of the trade, didn't say we expected our guy to start.
All I said was that we made a deal similar to SF (next year's first to move up a similar number of spots back into the 1st round) and we took heat for overpaying but they didn't. Now that this season is playing out the way it is, it is them who appears to have overpaid.
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Te move up to get Quinn was the right thing to do. Anderson and Frye were question marks, you make the decision and then move forward.
The Browns seriously considered him at #3, the move to get him at 22 was sound.
It is good to see some dribbles from the Browns and others that Quinn is progressing well. This has been my issue for a number of weeks.
It is possible that the Browns may use Anderson or Quinn to secure a re-entry into the first round next year. But let's let the season play out first. There is time to evaluate this option.
I still feel that ultimately Quinn may be the QB.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but not only did Quinn cost us next year's 1st roudn pick, but it cost us our 2nd round pick this last year? And it wasn't just any old second round pick... it was the 35th overal.. We had to give up our 3rd and 4th rounders (again, high in each round) or something to get Eric Wright, didn't we?
We traded our 2007 2nd and 2008 1st for a 2007 1st.When people say we gave up next year's 1st to get Quinn what they mean is that we gave up the 2008 1st rounder to move up 16 spots ensuring that we get Quinn. It's like we used our 2007 round pick on BQ but gave away the 2008 1st to make sure we got him. So we didn't give up 2 picks, we gave up one and used one.
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If we lost every game from here on out, we'd still be picking in the 14-15 range. As it stands today, we're tied for the 7th best record in football, which would equate to the anywhere from the 23rd-25th overall pick depending how the tiebreakers shake out. If that ends up being the case, Dallas lost a TON of value. They not only lost out on a player that was considered to be a top 5 talent but they also traded for a future draft pick that may be LOWER then the one they held the year before. That's the nightmare scenario for a team trading away current draft picks for future ones.
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As I'm always a believer in selling high, what if time...
If we can win out over the next four games, Cards, Jets, Bills and Bengals and the Titans lose just one of the next four games, Texans, Chargers, Chiefs and Jets we would lock up the wild card spot prior to going into the game with the 49ers.
Do you at that time start BQ to see what you have to know if you tender the offer to DA and try to get the 1st and 3rd for him?
If we've locked up our WC spot and there's no chance to catch Pittsburgh (or someone else) I would guess we would treat it like a pre-season game. DA takes the first 1-2 possessions and Brady steps in and finishes the game. I don't think we'd let DA have a 2 week layoff in-between live game action heading in to the postseason. JMHO.
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