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ding ding ding.. On paper is such a cop out.. thats why they play the games.. Anyone watching the game yesterday sure didn't come away thinking Buffalo was a better team. They came after Allen all day and he couldn't do anything at the end. Their front 7 is pretty good at collapsing the pocket. With players like Hill/waddle/Gesecki, they can get plays when they need them. Almost all of Buffalos plays came off of broken plays where Allen had to scramble because his line is only good for about a second before it collapses. Allen is a great player but if they don't figure out how to keep him protected, its just going to be a matter of time. Miami is surprisingly well coached. My only concern with them is Tua, he makes a few plays but leaves a ton out there, Not sure how the game goes yesterday if Buffalo secondary was healthy, but Miami receivers are really good, especially Waddle. I think both teams will be battling all season, going to come down to who stays healthy I think

I get that and I agree that Buffalo asks so much of Allen. But, I thought Buffalo pretty much controlled the game. All that cramping and some odd plays changed things. Consider these stats.

Buffalo led in first downs: 31 15

Total plays: Buffalo 90----Miami 39

Time of Possession: Buffalo at 40.40---------Miami at 19:20

Total Yards: Buffalo at 497---------Miami at 212

I understand that the only stat that counts is the final score, but I think Buffalo is the superior team.

The thing that stood out to me about that Bills/Dolphins game was how inconsistently both teams run the football. Maybe I’m just used to our brand of football with Chubb, but the Dolphins would struggle to pick up 4 yards with their backs.

That is not true. I'm listening to guys analyzing the game right now and they are saying the same things I have been saying.

I agree Buffalo is the better team. If we are basing the evaluation on who won then the Jets are a better team than the Browns. Does anyone actually believe that?

The Dolphins have a nice little lightning in a bottle moment going on right now. I don't think it will last.

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i agree that they controlled the game between the redzone. but all that control doesn't mean anything if you can't finish off the drives.

those stats say they moved the ball in the open field. those stats ALSO say they were extremely inefficient as an offense. lets remember, the only reason why the score was 21-19 was because of the punt that went off the blocker for a safety. without that play, the Bills have to go and score a TD instead of simply trying to get into FG range.

but all those stats without the scoring says they would've got up and down the field, only to not score the game winning TD. Miami had the ball for 20 minutes, but they maximize their opportunities with that. IMO, the stats make buffalo's loss look even worse than it was real time. especially since those stats say it should've been a blowout.

so look at the stats from a bigger picture, and it tells you one offense was far more effective and efficient than the other.

Great interview here listening to Hawk talk about Mike McDaniel when McDaniel was the Browns WR coach.

jc

look, people can say that "he's off the team so move on" all they want, but we all know that as browns fans, we're gonna be paying attention to what baker does with the panthers this season, and possibly next if he's on the team.

dude was 12/25 yards, 170 yards, TD, with an 11.3 QBR.

man, not looking good.

Just updating: Bosa and Slater may be out a while for the Chargers. That’s a really tough break for them

bro i dunno why, but not personal just in football life, kyler makes me angry. i dont care what anyone says, i'm glad the cards tried to put that clause in the contract with regards to him studying. that's why guys like lamar keep leveling up while he doesn't on the football field.

I'm in Charlotte and I will be interested to see how he does here - so have watched the game vs Browns and the game yesterday. Baker has looked bad in both games. I've seen him play much better - so some of it is defenses stopping what he does well, a lot of it is WR's and Baker not being on the same page, a lot of it is he is rushing and panicking, and in my personal opinion McAdoo is not calling plays to help Baker - to me one of Baker's strengths was the long ball to an isolated WR on a Go or Post route - I don't think I have seen any plays like that, everything is short/intermediate. The Panthers OL was flat bad vs the Browns they were ok yesterday. McCaffrey is great but it's a very different run game than the physicality of the Browns zone scheme. We will see how it goes - Baker didn't have a long period with the team before the season and he spent most of preseason splitting reps. . . . overall if you are Panthers fan you have to be concerned.

is Rhule a big problem? like, starting to feel like a Matt Nagy situation. doesn't matter the QB, dude just wasn't a good HC?

I see the Baker Fan Club aren't chirping like they was 60 days ago.
32nd rated QB....it must be the injury from last year right ?

Said at the time Jacoby Brisset was a lateral move on Baker in of itself and Watson can be elite.


All things equal, I think that's still true. I will say, Mayfeild SUUUUCKED playing the Steelers and Baltimore for that matter. Brisset not turning it over has proven to be a medium to big upgrade of Baker being a turnover machine against division rivals.

I don't know - he is widely criticized here, but from what I can gather he didn't have a OC that was worth a damn last year and was forced to take over and was not able to manage HC and OC roles. Not having watched Panthers games before I don't know. in Training camp the universal feedback was Baker looked miles better than Darnold and would be an improvement - we haven't seen that on Sundays though. Unless there is a strong of wins Rhule is certainly on the hot seat. Owner is notorious for quick trigger!

Brissett is doing damn well for us; especially for his history. He is literally having a career year thus far, playing WAY above what he's ever done at any other stop in his career.

I don't know what to make of that: either all he ever needed was to be surrounded by better talent and given the right scheme with a strong run game, or there is a very real probability that he will begin to regress to his mean. Once we face tougher defenses, that may well be what we get.

Browns vs Chargers and Patriots looking like they may not be quite the uphill battle as it originally appeared.

Swish - I meant to mention, Orlovsky did a breakdown of the Panthers second game ripping the coaching. (It might have been posted here?) - basically McCaffrey was lined up next to Baker on all the pass plays and he was lined up a step/yard back on rush plays ... it was a massive tell for the D. Not a good look for Rhule/McAdoo

j/c:

Baker has been really bad thus far. Fields right with him

I watched quite a bit of their game yesterday. During the telecast, I heard one of the announcers utter something like there was talk during the week leading up to the game that the WRs were not running the right routes after Baker missed a WR by a long shot. The color guy said something like "that was just a bad throw." I wonder where that leak came from? It sure sounded awfully familiar, as does the talk about firing the head coach.

He's playing terribly. But I see you and some others keep chirping about it. And the sad thing is, many of those still chirping about said they didn't want to hear about Baker anymore.

There's a great line from a good movie called the Devils Advocate
Al Pacino says " Its fun to be right "
It's fun to see the Browns at 2 and 1.
And it's just as much fun to see Baker fail in Carolina
The Browns finally have a real professional at QB.
Not a child but a real pro
I've never seen such a average QB stimulate such emotion
Out of a loyal fan base such as Mayfield
Every excuse was made for his porous 2021 year
And it was excuses that didn't hold water

Goofy, yes, but that is without question the best and probably most accurate answer to the question.

The NY Giants OL has been straight up hot garbage for years. They displayed that once again last night.

I read somewhere he has the worst QBR of any starting QB so far. His PFF rating is 43.3....that's putrid.

Normal people call that being vindictive and nasty.


He was injured almost the entire season last year. You do understand the difference between excuses and facts, correct? There's nothing wrong with him now other than he is playing like crap.

How are you in the great state of Tennessee?
My buddie from childhood just caught a state record blue cat
118 lbs ...wonders.
So back to Mayfield.
Baker yes played injuried in 2021.
But that injury had no bearing on his porous decision making
Last year. Or his penchant for missing wide open Targets.
He snookered John Dorsey into drafting him with
His false bravado and Mr.Chip on My Shoulder mantra.
I mean Dorsey was out of football for a year before
Becoming Browns GM. He couldn't see that Josh Allen or Lamar
Jackson was better options than Baker?
Dorsey was studying film day and night on these QBs

So now we fast forward to today
Mayfield QBR is 32 out 32 QBs.
And this is from a the number 1 QB drafted overall.
Baker simply is a very average QB on good day.
Take away that pass play from Sunday...he throws for barely a 100
Yards.
Panther fans can't wait to move past Mayfield.

I have no idea what part of me saying he is playing bad you don't understand. How quickly people forget that he led us to the playoffs and a playoff win for the first time in 15 years. I don't really recall anyone saying he was a top NFL QB. In fact average what what most of us said. Maybe you are having memory issues?

Save your breath ! Herbert has an injured rib and there are excuses about the pain he is in.... Baker had a torn shoulder and broken humerus and "it didn't affect his decision making" .... LOL. I'm sure that getting hit by 300lb DL while having those injuries didn't impact his decision making at all. Bottom line is that he's not here - the posters still talking about him are the haters. I still believe he's a top 15 or better QB in the NFL. He's not playing like it so far - but Panthers are a poop show right now. Lets wait till week 7 or 8.

Watching that game (CAR/NO) was almost torture. The QB play from both sides wasn't pretty.

Maybe Baker hurt his throwing shoulder!!

Why wait till week 7 or 8...Is Baker going to magically turn
Into a good starting QB? I don't understand why some think
Mayfield is still a long term starter?

What's really hard to understand is why the 80% that don't care either way have to read the same, tireless, endless rants... day after day after day.

Maybe just start a Baker sucks thread?

It's probably all due to his injury.


https://catcrave.com/2022/09/26/4-major-observations-baker-mayfield-performance-vs-saints/

No kidding. Lol at who can't keep his name out of their posts!

Quick check in on Baker. Nothing changes.