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https://www.yahoo.com/news/maga-media-salivates-over-italy-172023126.html

Right-wing media rejoiced this week over news that Italy had elected its most far-right leader since fascist Benito Mussolini was deposed following World War II, describing the victory of Giorgia Meloni and her Brothers of Italy party as “the rise of Christian nationalism.”

With Italy’s flirtation with fascism sending shockwaves throughout Europe and the Western world, MAGA pundits attempted to paint Meloni’s ideology as “middle of the road,” suggesting that she couldn’t be “hard-right” if she won the election.

In just a matter of a few short years, Meloni has helped take the Brothers of Italy from a fringe-right group to the most powerful party in her country. And besides leading the nation’s first far-right government since Mussolini, Meloni also makes history by becoming Italy’s first woman premier.

It isn’t just her hard-line populist positions against abortion, immigration, LGBTQ rights, the European Union, and other social issues that have resulted in her getting labeled with the dreaded f-word: Her party has literal origins in the neo-fascist Italian Social Movement, which was founded by Mussolini’s supporters after his death, and still uses the group’s tri-color flame as its logo. And though she has denounced antisemitism and disavowed parts of Mussolini’s legacy, she also openly praised the fascist dictator in her youth. “Mussolini was a good politician, in that everything he did, he did for Italy,” a 19-year-old Meloni told French television.

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Much of her meteoric rise can be attributed to former Trump chief strategist Steve Bannon, who began boosting her during the 2018 election and has spoken at her ultra-nationalist events. The MAGA influencer also pushed to make her a featured speaker at this year’s Conservative Political Action Convention (CPAC), where she made a similar splash as far-right Hungarian leader Viktor Orban, whom she views as a kindred spirit and close friend.

Meloni’s electoral victory was therefore greeted with much celebration on Bannon’s War Room: Pandemic show on Monday. Alongside CPAC organizer Matt Schlapp, the ex-Trump adviser excitedly exclaimed that her win was the “rise of Christian nationalism” while the mainstream establishment was “in full meltdown.” Schlapp, meanwhile, declared that she “skyrocketed” to victory, which was a “warning shot coming from Italy.”Bannon and Schlapp also laid down the groundwork for a talking point that quickly became prevalent in the pro-Trump media ecosphere. “She’s for God, her country, and family. That doesn't seem all that radical. That doesn’t seem all that radical to me,” Bannon stated.

“She is pro-life, she’s pro-Constitution, she’s pro-family, and she’s anti-globalist,” Schlapp noted. “And she fits right neatly in the term of what we call conservative here in America, so as people start reading this propaganda media saying that she’s some kind of fascist, just remember, they’ve called us all fascists.”

British tabloid host Piers Morgan, who recently joined Fox Nation and Murdoch-owned British network TalkTV, insisted Meloni “is not ‘far-right,’” claiming anyone labeling her that needs to “brush up on your Nazi/Fascist history” because she’s really “centre-right.”

Charlie Kirk, founder of Trump-devoted student organization Turning Point USA, also asserted that Meloni’s politics were largely uncontroversial. “It’s not fascist. It’s common sense, it’s normal, it’s middle of the road,” he blared on his podcast.

Appearing on his network’s flagship news program Special Report on Monday evening, former GOP congressman-turned-Fox News host Trey Gowdy bemoaned the media calling Meloni “far-right” while suggesting her victory demonstrated her centrist bona fides.

“I guess what I'm wondering is if you are winning elections, if you are what the people want, at what point does that become the center?” Gowdy wondered. “Who gets to say what is far-right, or what is hard-right?”

Over on Fox News wannabe competitor Newsmax, the commentary incorporated outright cheerleading and revisionist history.

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Conservative author Sam Sorbo (wife of Hercules actor and right-wing activist Kevin Sorbo) gushed over Meloni, insisting that “we don’t see neo-fascism” with the incoming premier. Furthermore, according to Sorbo, fascism is actually a left-wing ideology.

“Fascism has everything to do with socialism,” she said to the credulous Newsmax anchors. “That’s why Mussolini joined with Hitler during WWII. And Hitler was not a fascist, Hitler was a socialist. Mussolini was a fascist.”

Newsmax host and serial plagiarist Benny Johnson, who spent Monday online raving about “Based” Meloni, also took to his channel’s airwaves to effusively praise the new premier. “Meloni doesn’t want globalist control, she doesn't want the Italians to essentially be melted into a pot of all Europeans and treated like a number instead of a unique, individual human being,” he proclaimed. “Populism is popular.”

In the end, though, it was up to the host of the most-watched primetime show on cable news to put his stamp of approval on Meloni. Tucker Carlson, who has relentlessly boosted Orban and

Brazil’s authoritarian president Jair Bolsonaro, delivered a full-throated endorsement of the incoming Italian prime minister on Monday night. And he called for a similar candidate in the U.S.

“American families are facing the very same onslaught from the very same poisonous ideologies,” Carlson emphatically stated. “The difference is that in this country it's rarely acknowledged, except on the fringes. Meloni is not on the fringes. She's the new prime minister of Italy—she will be—and she's saying it out loud.”

Before playing a clip of a Meloni, speech, the Fox star added: “As you watch this, ask yourself if you would vote for a candidate like this if you had the chance in our country.”


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so here i am, thinking that the conservative response to the new Italian PM was being overstated.

then i remembered what country i'm in:

Tucker Carlson Suggests GOP Should Be Like Italy’s Fascist PM, Who He (Incorrectly) Says Isn’t Fascist (Video)

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-says-gop-italy-045615509.html

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so i did watch the full video, that way i avoid the posters who would claim i'm taking it out of context. and i've seen the other responses to this victory as well from media outlets and such. you conservatives are really on this WW2 era leadership phase of history, huh? Went from Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler, to now Trump, Orban, Putin, and Meloni.

what is it about conservatism that just attracts you guys to authoritarian figures and/or outright tyrants? really strange.


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side note: its like when conservatives initially loved Boris Johnson....


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so here i am, thinking that the conservative response to the new Italian PM was being overstated.

then i remembered what country i'm in:

Tucker Carlson Suggests GOP Should Be Like Italy’s Fascist PM, Who He (Incorrectly) Says Isn’t Fascist (Video)

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-says-gop-italy-045615509.html

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so i did watch the full video, that way i avoid the posters who would claim i'm taking it out of context. and i've seen the other responses to this victory as well from media outlets and such. you conservatives are really on this WW2 era leadership phase of history, huh? Went from Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler, to now Trump, Orban, Putin, and Meloni.

what is it about conservatism that just attracts you guys to authoritarian figures and/or outright tyrants? really strange.

I don't know a lot about her but it seems like her whole platform she ran on was focused on God, family, country, balancing the budget, and blasting their govt locked down Italy during Covid and long after.

I guess to Europeans, that would be fascist?


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Evidently even people in this country.


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Good for Italy! It is nice to see Europe elect leaders with morals again. Would be nice to have those kind of leaders in this country again. God, Family, Country. That is not fascist. That is leading with a moral compass!


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so here i am, thinking that the conservative response to the new Italian PM was being overstated.

then i remembered what country i'm in:

Tucker Carlson Suggests GOP Should Be Like Italy’s Fascist PM, Who He (Incorrectly) Says Isn’t Fascist (Video)

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-says-gop-italy-045615509.html

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so i did watch the full video, that way i avoid the posters who would claim i'm taking it out of context. and i've seen the other responses to this victory as well from media outlets and such. you conservatives are really on this WW2 era leadership phase of history, huh? Went from Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler, to now Trump, Orban, Putin, and Meloni.

what is it about conservatism that just attracts you guys to authoritarian figures and/or outright tyrants? really strange.

I don't know a lot about her but it seems like her whole platform she ran on was focused on God, family, country, balancing the budget, and blasting their govt locked down Italy during Covid and long after.

I guess to Europeans, that would be fascist?

funny, thats how early last one of the crap leaders i just mentioned started out as well. but that just doesnt register with you, huh...


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Good for Italy! It is nice to see Europe elect leaders with morals again. Would be nice to have those kind of leaders in this country again. God, Family, Country. That is not fascist. That is leading with a moral compass!

good for italy to elect a far right fascist with ridiculous echoes of mussolini.

oh thats right, she started her political activisim with the party formed by the supporters of missolini, praised mussolini, and uses neo-fascist logos in her campaigns.

just want to remind you that those same fascist aligned themselves with hitler and the nazis. maybe you dont remember history, but italy WAS part of the axis of evil, after all.

but let me guess day and SBD, this time 'its different'.


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Good for Italy! It is nice to see Europe elect leaders with morals again. Would be nice to have those kind of leaders in this country again. God, Family, Country. That is not fascist. That is leading with a moral compass!

good for italy to elect a far right fascist with ridiculous echoes of mussolini.

oh thats right, she started her political activisim with the party formed by the supporters of missolini, praised mussolini, and uses neo-fascist logos in her campaigns.

just want to remind you that those same fascist aligned themselves with hitler and the nazis. maybe you dont remember history, but italy WAS part of the axis of evil, after all.

but let me guess day and SBD, this time 'its different'.

Putting family first is not fascist. It is freedom. Putting your country first is not fascist it is freedom. Rejection of globalism is a rejection to actually losing your freedoms. The globalist leaders do not want you to won land, your house, anything. People need to wake up!


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Good for Italy! It is nice to see Europe elect leaders with morals again. Would be nice to have those kind of leaders in this country again. God, Family, Country. That is not fascist. That is leading with a moral compass!

good for italy to elect a far right fascist with ridiculous echoes of mussolini.

oh thats right, she started her political activisim with the party formed by the supporters of missolini, praised mussolini, and uses neo-fascist logos in her campaigns.

just want to remind you that those same fascist aligned themselves with hitler and the nazis. maybe you dont remember history, but italy WAS part of the axis of evil, after all.

but let me guess day and SBD, this time 'its different'.

Putting family first is not fascist. It is freedom. Putting your country first is not fascist it is freedom. Rejection of globalism is a rejection to actually losing your freedoms. The globalist leaders do not want you to won land, your house, anything. People need to wake up!

so are you saying mussolini and hitler shouldve been on the right side of history?

conservatives, im getting real confused and worried right now. straighten this out for me.


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Always love how salacious these headlines get. OMG MOUSSOLINI!!!



HITLER

NAZIS!!!!



When everyone is a murderous dictator.....Putin, Trump, this random right winger in Italy.....EVERYONE IS HITLER.

When everyone is, no one is. Grow up.

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Good for Italy! It is nice to see Europe elect leaders with morals again. Would be nice to have those kind of leaders in this country again. God, Family, Country. That is not fascist. That is leading with a moral compass!

good for italy to elect a far right fascist with ridiculous echoes of mussolini.

oh thats right, she started her political activisim with the party formed by the supporters of missolini, praised mussolini, and uses neo-fascist logos in her campaigns.

just want to remind you that those same fascist aligned themselves with hitler and the nazis. maybe you dont remember history, but italy WAS part of the axis of evil, after all.

but let me guess day and SBD, this time 'its different'.

Putting family first is not fascist. It is freedom. Putting your country first is not fascist it is freedom. Rejection of globalism is a rejection to actually losing your freedoms. The globalist leaders do not want you to won land, your house, anything. People need to wake up!

so are you saying mussolini and hitler shouldve been on the right side of history?

Quit going extreme. Hitler and Mussolini were wrong in every facet. Conservativism is not fascism. She is country first family first. That is not fascism. That is not who she is or who conservatives are. They tell us all the time that the south is racist because of the past. And it was. But history has proven to us as the south became more conservative it has also become far less racist. The same party that has now started antifa is the same party that started the kkk. Think about that for a minute and let that sink in.


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Always love how salacious these headlines get. OMG MOUSSOLINI!!!



HITLER

NAZIS!!!!



When everyone is a murderous dictator.....Putin, Trump, this random right winger in Italy.....EVERYONE IS HITLER.

When everyone is, no one is. Grow up.

right so this is a really strange post because im making the comparison of how the fascist start, not actually calling trump hitler or meloni hitler.

i did compared them to mussolini for sure. and i definitely said trump shouldn't be compared to hitler, but mussolini a couple years ago on this very board.

but can you explain why this is your reaction to the comparisons?

BpG, if i were to campaign as a black nationalist, using black panther logos in my campaign, praising them and sympathizing with figures like Farrakhan, would you defend me from accusations of being a black panther?

yes or no.


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Good for Italy! It is nice to see Europe elect leaders with morals again. Would be nice to have those kind of leaders in this country again. God, Family, Country. That is not fascist. That is leading with a moral compass!

good for italy to elect a far right fascist with ridiculous echoes of mussolini.

oh thats right, she started her political activisim with the party formed by the supporters of missolini, praised mussolini, and uses neo-fascist logos in her campaigns.

just want to remind you that those same fascist aligned themselves with hitler and the nazis. maybe you dont remember history, but italy WAS part of the axis of evil, after all.

but let me guess day and SBD, this time 'its different'.

Putting family first is not fascist. It is freedom. Putting your country first is not fascist it is freedom. Rejection of globalism is a rejection to actually losing your freedoms. The globalist leaders do not want you to won land, your house, anything. People need to wake up!

so are you saying mussolini and hitler shouldve been on the right side of history?

Quit going extreme. Hitler and Mussolini were wrong in every facet. Conservativism is not fascism. She is country first family first. That is not fascism. That is not who she is or who conservatives are. They tell us all the time that the south is racist because of the past. And it was. But history has proven to us as the south became more conservative it has also become far less racist. The same party that has now started antifa is the same party that started the kkk. Think about that for a minute and let that sink in.

but she's clearly not a conservative. she's clearly a fascist. she was LITERALLY part of a neo-fascist party that praised mussolini. Day, how are you really trying to ignore that FACT right now?


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what is it about conservatism that just attracts you guys to authoritarian figures and/or outright tyrants? really strange.

and MAN are the responses i'm getting.....whew boy. that question is definitely being answered right now.

conservatives seem to be attracted to authoritarian figures, because they either can't recognize the signs in real time....or they LIKE those figures....


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Of course it's fake news. But that won't stop the clowns and sheep on here, and elsewhere.

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Of course it's fake news. But that won't stop the clowns and sheep on here, and elsewhere.

wait, hold on:

‘Personally I was against Georgia Meloni. I’m not her best friend. We are rivals but she is not a danger to democracy. The idea there is a risk of fascism in Italy is absolutely fake news.’

now, somebody quote this post because memphis is a coward who has me on ignore because he can't debate the facts, so please let him see this question:

which part of that is fake news?

are you saying the statement he made saying ‘Personally I was against Georgia Meloni. I’m not her best friend. We are rivals but she is not a danger to democracy. The idea there is a risk of fascism in Italy is absolutely fake news.’ is fake news?

just help me out here DT. i want to make sure i dont misinterpret anything going on.

memphis posted a tweet of the former PM saying that the risk of fascism is fake news, then states about the tweet he just posted here:

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Of course it's fake news.

so does memphis actually AGREE that there is a risk of fascism in italy? and if thats the case, is he calling conservatives arguing against him clowns and sheep? or does he agree with the former PM saying the risk of fascism in italy is fake news?

i just wanna make sure we get all of this cleared up. because conservatives dont make anything clear from the jump. i gotta dig the truth out of you guys nonstop.


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How a party of neo-fascist roots won big in Italy

https://apnews.com/article/elections-rome-italy-6aa9fcb003071c307190a4053f199d98

ROME (AP) — The Brothers of Italy party, which won the most votes in Italy’s national election, has its roots in the post-World War II neo-fascist Italian Social Movement.

Keeping the movement’s most potent symbol, the tricolor flame, Giorgia Meloni has taken Brothers of Italy from a fringe far-right group to Italy’s biggest party.

A century after Benito Mussolini’s 1922 March on Rome, which brought the fascist dictator to power, Meloni is poised to lead Italy’s first far-right-led government since World War II and Italy’s first woman premier.

HOW DID POST-FASCISM BEGIN IN ITALY?

The Italian Social Movement, or MSI, was founded in 1946 by Giorgio Almirante, a chief of staff in Mussolini’s last government. It drew fascist sympathizers and officials into its ranks following Italy’s role in the war, when it was allied with the Nazis and then liberated by the Allies.

Throughout the 1950-1980s, the MSI remained a small right-wing party, polling in the single digits. But historian Paul Ginsborg has noted that its mere survival in the decades after the war “served as a constant reminder of the potent appeal that authoritarianism and nationalism could still exercise among the southern students, urban poor and lower middle classes.”

The 1990s brought about a change under Gianfranco Fini, Almirante’s protege who nevertheless projected a new moderate face of the Italian right. When Fini ran for Rome mayor in 1993, he won a surprising 46.9% of the vote — not enough to win but enough to establish him as a player. Within a year, Fini had renamed the MSI the National Alliance.

It was in those years that a young Meloni, who was raised by a single mother in a Rome working-class neighborhood, first joined the MSI’s youth branch and then went onto lead the youth branch of Fini’s National Alliance.

DOES THAT MEAN MELONI IS NEO-FASCIST?

Fini was dogged by the movement’s neo-fascist roots and his own assessment that Mussolini was the 20th century’s “greatest statesman.” He disavowed that statement, and in 2003 visited the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial in Israel. There, he described Italy’s racial laws, which restricted Jews’ rights, as part of the “absolute evil” of the war.

Meloni, too, had praised Mussolini in her youth but visited Yad Vashem in 2009 when she was a minister in Silvio Berlusconi’s last government. Writing in her 2021 memoir “I Am Giorgia,” she described the experience as evidence of how “a genocide happens step by step, a little at a time.”

During the campaign, Meloni was forced to confront the issue head-on, after the Democrats warned that she represented a danger to democracy.

“The Italian right has handed fascism over to history for decades now, unambiguously condemning the suppression of democracy and the ignominious anti-Jewish laws,” she said in a campaign video.

HOW DID BROTHERS OF ITALY EMERGE?

Meloni, who proudly touts her roots as an MSI militant, has said the first spark of creating Brothers of Italy came after Berlusconi resigned as premier in 2011, forced out by a financial crisis over Italy’s soaring debt and his own legal problems.

Meloni refused to support Mario Monti, who was tapped by Italy’s president to try to form a technocratic government to reassure international financial markets. Meloni couldn’t stand what she believed was external pressure from European capitals to dictate internal Italian politics.

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Meloni co-founded the party in 2012, naming it after the first words of the Italian national anthem. “A new party for an old tradition,” Meloni wrote.

Brothers of Italy would only take in single-digit results in its first decade. The European Parliament election in 2019 brought Brothers of Italy 6.4% — a figure that Meloni says “changed everything.”

As the leader of the only party in opposition during Mario Draghi’s 2021-2022 national unity government, her popularity soared, with Sunday’s election netting it 26%.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PARTY’S LOGO?

The party has at the center of its logo the red, white and green flame of the original MSI that remained when the movement became the National Alliance. While less obvious than the bundle of sticks, or fasces, that was the prominent symbol of Mussolini’s National Fascist Party, the tricolor flame is nevertheless a powerful image that ties the current party to its past.

“Political logos are a form of branding, no different than those aimed at consumers,” said Rutgers University professor T. Corey Brennan, who recently wrote “Fasces: A History of Rome’s Most Dangerous Political Symbol.”

He recalled that when Almirante made his final MSI campaign pitch to voters in the 1948 election at Rome’s Spanish Steps, he put the party’s flame symbol on top of the obelisk and illuminated it with floodlights.

“You can make whatever you want out of a flame, but everybody understood that Almirante was making a deeply emotional appeal to keep the spirit of fascism alive,” he said.

HOW DO ITALIANS FEEL ABOUT IT?

In general, the party’s neo-fascist roots appear to be of more concern abroad than at home. Some historians explain that by noting a certain historical amnesia here and Italians’ general comfort living with the relics of fascism as evidence that Italy never really repudiated the Fascist Party and Mussolini in the same way Germany repudiated National Socialism and Hitler.

While Germany went through a long and painful process reckoning with its past, Italians have in many ways simply turned a willful blindness to their own.

Historian David Kertzer of Brown University notes that there are 67 institutes for the study of the Resistance to Fascism in Italy, and virtually no center for the study of Italian Fascism.

In addition, Mussolini-era architecture and monuments are everywhere: from the EUR neighborhood in southern Rome to the Olympic training center on the Tiber River, with its obelisk still bearing Mussolini’s name.

The Italian Constitution bars the reconstitution of the Fascist party, but far-right groups still display the fascist salute and there continues to be an acceptance of fascist symbols, said Brennan.

“You don’t have to look very hard for signs,” Brennan said in a phone interview. “Fully a quarter of all manhole covers in Rome still have the fasces on them.”

DOES THAT MEAN ITALIANS SUPPORT FASCISM?

If history is any guide, one constant in recent political elections is that Italians vote for change, with a desire for something new seemingly overtaking traditional political ideology in big pendulum shifts, said Nathalie Tocci, director of the Rome-based Institute of International Affairs.

Tocci said the Brothers of Italy’s popularity in 2022 was evidence of this “violent” swing that is more about Italian dissatisfaction than any surge in neo-fascist or far-right sentiment.

“I would say the main reason why a big chunk of that -- let’s say 25-30% -- will vote for this party is simply because it’s the new kid on the block,” she said.

Meloni still speaks reverently about the MSI and Almirante, even if her rhetoric can change to suit her audience.

This summer, speaking in perfect Spanish, she thundered at a rally of Spain’s hard-right Vox party: “Yes to the natural family. No to the LGBT lobby. Yes to sexual identity. No to gender ideology.”

Back home on the campaign trail, she projected a much more moderate tone and appealed for unity in her victory speech Monday.

“Italy chose us,” she said. “We will not betray it, as we never have.”

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Day, memphis, SBD, BpG, and others, you should easily be able to clear all of this up for me. what about any of this article is wrong?

if i were to run a campaign with ties to Farrakhan and black nationalist movements, praising them left and right and using logos that honored those past, would ALL of you defend me like you're defending this and claim i wasn't a black nationalist?

i really hope yall answer this question.


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so here i am, thinking that the conservative response to the new Italian PM was being overstated.

then i remembered what country i'm in:

Tucker Carlson Suggests GOP Should Be Like Italy’s Fascist PM, Who He (Incorrectly) Says Isn’t Fascist (Video)

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-says-gop-italy-045615509.html

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so i did watch the full video, that way i avoid the posters who would claim i'm taking it out of context. and i've seen the other responses to this victory as well from media outlets and such. you conservatives are really on this WW2 era leadership phase of history, huh? Went from Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler, to now Trump, Orban, Putin, and Meloni.

what is it about conservatism that just attracts you guys to authoritarian figures and/or outright tyrants? really strange.

I don't know a lot about her but it seems like her whole platform she ran on was focused on God, family, country, balancing the budget, and blasting their govt locked down Italy during Covid and long after.

I guess to Europeans, that would be fascist?

funny, thats how early last one of the crap leaders i just mentioned started out as well. but that just doesnt register with you, huh...


so, because someone run on God, Family, a balanced budget, and County... we shouldn't elect them? I think the world needs to wait and actually see what she does before we start calling her Mussolini.


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Sadly when that's the only thing you recognize they ran on, that's what you focus on. It's not that simple. It's called the bait and switch con game. They get you to focus on the shiny object so you won't notice anything else.


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so here i am, thinking that the conservative response to the new Italian PM was being overstated.

then i remembered what country i'm in:

Tucker Carlson Suggests GOP Should Be Like Italy’s Fascist PM, Who He (Incorrectly) Says Isn’t Fascist (Video)

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-says-gop-italy-045615509.html

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so i did watch the full video, that way i avoid the posters who would claim i'm taking it out of context. and i've seen the other responses to this victory as well from media outlets and such. you conservatives are really on this WW2 era leadership phase of history, huh? Went from Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler, to now Trump, Orban, Putin, and Meloni.

what is it about conservatism that just attracts you guys to authoritarian figures and/or outright tyrants? really strange.

I don't know a lot about her but it seems like her whole platform she ran on was focused on God, family, country, balancing the budget, and blasting their govt locked down Italy during Covid and long after.

I guess to Europeans, that would be fascist?

funny, thats how early last one of the crap leaders i just mentioned started out as well. but that just doesnt register with you, huh...


so, because someone run on God, Family, a balanced budget, and County... we shouldn't elect them? I think the world needs to wait and actually see what she does before we start calling her Mussolini.

good lord dude. that's what she running on, and i'm literally pointing out aspects of her ideology/career/agenda that states that God, Family, a balanced budget, and country aren't the things she actually cares about.

this is why its so frustrating talking to you. politicians in THIS country run on certain platforms all the time, and yet you and me and others ALWAYS look at their actual record, what they've said and done while NOT on the campaign trail, as well as who they are associated with and who funds them.

yet ALL OF A SUDDEN when it comes to this one, for WHATEVER REASON, you take her at her word. there's just no reason to evaluate her the same way you would any other politician. this is the same damn thing conservatives did with trump. just screw everything else. with THIS specific person, he's running on a great platform and really means it. same thing with her. screw all the evidence, screw her actual track record, you believe her.

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what is it about conservatism that just attracts you guys to authoritarian figures and/or outright tyrants? really strange.

and the responses were disappointing. it's very clear that conservatives are attracted to authoritarian figures because they seem to be unable to learn from history, recognize red flags, and easily fall for propaganda.

that, or they do recognize everything. they just LIKE those beliefs and the politicians that represent fascist ideology.


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I'm jealous of Italy right now. They have someone that puts their country first, puts God First, puts Family first. Not some globalist agenda. Not the criminals, etc.... The list can go on and on.


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This is the response you get when people only pay attention to what they want to and ignore everything else.


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I'm jealous of Italy right now. They have someone that puts their country first, puts God First, puts Family first. Not some globalist agenda. Not the criminals, etc.... The list can go on and on.

No one is keeping you from moving there.


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Boycott Olive Garden!!

That was so stupid. I hate that the group that started that crap calls themselves 'progressives'. I wish the lunatic whiny ass element of the progressive political spectrum would get out of the way of the 'all about people' progressives.


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I'm jealous of Italy right now. They have someone that puts their country first, puts God First, puts Family first. Not some globalist agenda. Not the criminals, etc.... The list can go on and on.

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Good for Italy! It is nice to see Europe elect leaders with morals again. Would be nice to have those kind of leaders in this country again. God, Family, Country. That is not fascist. That is leading with a moral compass!

Godly like Trump? Or the internet preacher who wants to kill all liberals? NOPE. GOPers have gone pure fascists, and if you or others don't like hearing the truth, screw you. The ONLY way to deal with Nazis is to punch them in the nose. That punch is coming and it will hit hard. Maybe it will help your side of the aisle become sane again. Never thought I'd see the day that Americans rooted for totalitarian authoritarian Putin or for fascist governments. YOU ALL SHOULD MOVE TO HUNGARIA WITH ORBAN, since he's such a great leader... smh. It's so predictable that people who consistently act like fascists, don't like being called fascists. And the religious zealots ARE NOT like the old timers going to a country church, y'all practically worship Trump! A godless man if there ever was one. Fake ass christians.


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I'm jealous of Italy right now. They have someone that puts their country first, puts God First, puts Family first. Not some globalist agenda. Not the criminals, etc.... The list can go on and on.

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If only we could have our own great fascist leader... cry ... Y'all are straight-up nuts. But the good thing is that the FBI and other intelligence agencies are making a list of you all from your internet posts and you will be on the watch lists when you screw up, which we all know you will do. Then you can be like those Jan 6th traitors and get what you deserve. Can't believe this is even a convo here. reDtards.


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I'm jealous of Italy right now. They have someone that puts their country first, puts God First, puts Family first. Not some globalist agenda. Not the criminals, etc.... The list can go on and on.

No one is keeping you from moving there.

They won't do anything like that, they'd rather try to bring America down with their BS.


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Of course it's fake news. But that won't stop the clowns and sheep on here, and elsewhere.

Many good people never thought a scumbag like Trump would be a horrible leader, either. Look what he and his trash following did here. Fascism is a genuine threat in America. We should all be anti-fascists (ANTIFA) all the time, not flirting with fascism like it's the innocent good looking girl next door.


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Often the DIVERSITY of America is called a strength---I wonder. Lots of posters, including me, JUDGE constantly- you aren't a real American because you're not a MAGA follower, the other side, you're a dumb ass MAGA follower who calls themselves Christians yet hates people= especially immigrants/ illegal aliens- was Jesus a illegal while in Egypt?.....I'd ask all of us to remember- we are ALL Americans and should be able to talk, write, and discuss anything and then let democracy work. Kipling's poem-I keep six honest serving-men (They taught me all I knew); Their names are What and Why and When And How and Where and Who. IF we looked at all sides and results- then we'd be better off.

JMHO= I was a decades long Republican, yet when I applied the six honest men to Trump I could no longer be in a party he led....I'm a very strong Independent now. How anyone could follow someone who wanted to upend our democracy and stay in power at ANY COST is beyond me. Put Trump in Jail where he belongs.


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Boycott Olive Garden!!

That was so stupid. I hate that the group that started that crap calls themselves 'progressives'. I wish the lunatic whiny ass element of the progressive political spectrum would get out of the way of the 'all about people' progressives.

Every group has that subset. In some cases, that subset takes over the larger group.


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I agree we are not acting like Americans or the great melting pot, but those days may be gone for good. As long as there are those who would end American democracy for the sake of religious beliefs, intolerance, hate, or stupid ass conspiracy theories all while spreading lies and hate; I will be very vocal and active in trying to drown out those voices.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
I agree we are not acting like Americans or the great melting pot, but those days may be gone for good. As long as there are those who would end American democracy for the sake of religious beliefs, intolerance, hate, or stupid ass conspiracy theories all while spreading lies and hate; I will be very vocal and active in trying to drown out those voices.


You are those voices. Drown out yourself.


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Everyone is obsessed with thinking that the people that oppose them are fascist.
It doesn't mean anything. As far as I can tell, a fascist government is one that restricts a person in some way that they do not like. So a gun right activist characterizes gun control laws fascist. An abortion rights activist calls restrictions on abortions, fascist. So as far as I can tell, fascism is just governments doing what governments do, which is put restrictions on people.

We could go back to the Mussolini definition of fascism, but even scholars cannot agree upon what that is. The reason why seems pretty obvious to me. Mussolini was a politician, and like all politicians, his views and platforms changed to whatever was politically expedient at the time.

It is so interesting that this word is has become such a fad to use in arguments because only one group in the world has ever actually claimed to be fascist and that was the national fascist party in Italy, and they were only active for 22 years, their policies basically determined entirely based on Mussolini's whims.

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Thousands commemorate Mussolini's rise as far-right sentiments continue to sweep across Europe

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-commemorate-mussolinis-rise-far-163856631.html

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oh that excites you?


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