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I saw this article the other day and obviously it's mind boggling. I'm a big believer that there are a few crazies everywhere ... On the left, on the right, religious, non religious, in the USA and the rest of the world. One political party doesn't have more or less of the true crazies in my opinion ( putting aside the flat out lies of stolen elections and the Lies Trump has infected out politics with). . . And as a rule I think paying any attention to the tiny lunatic fringes is not worthwhile for anyone. But this article and the social media post by an otherwise completely ordinary mother in what looks to be middle class suburbia made me wonder .... Are there more crazies than ever before and from more walks of life? Or is their voice just magnified because of today's internet of things, social media and "news" that mostly seeks clickbait articles?

https://www.today.com/parents/parents/texas-mom-warns-hocus-pocus-2-will-unleash-hell-kids-rcna51017

You tell me.

Just the fact people still support trump is disturbing.

"their voice just magnified because of today's internet of things, social media and "news" that mostly seeks clickbait articles?"

That has to be it because in the past we would not have known.

alex jones exits because people like super brown are out there to listen. Some believe 911 was an inside job. Bigfoot is out there despite the fact no physical evidence has ever been found. No bones or feces. No viable sustaining population over time. Still people swear they saw one.

Religious zealots no matter the religion are flat out bonkers.

The internet provides more space for the fringe to attract their kind. Any crazy can find others like them. trump has feed upon that mentality. That is why he supports fringe like Q, radical militia groups, white supremisists. etc.

At times I have to purge myself from all news because the world can be looked upon as totally depressing.

I certainly disagree with at least part of your post. You see, you make it sound as though, the way I read it, that the people you describe are a part of the fringe on the right. That without the internet we would never hear about them. At one point I too believed that. But what I've witnessed over the past seven years or so has changed all of that.

Sure you may not have heard the name Alex Jones. But the issue has become that many elected public officials mirror some of the very things he says. So you still hear about many of the things he says only via a third party. I also used to believe it was simply a fringe of the GOP. Then I witnessed how in state after state people like MGT, Boebert, Gaetz, Gosar and many others of their ilk are getting elected. Then after having at least sane candidates running for the GOP nomination in 2016 they CHOSE trump. Look around you now at all of the election deniers that will be getting elected in November.

This isn't the fringe of the Republican party. This is what the Republican party has become.

I don't think people should watch the movie because it was trash... I guess it's worth watching once because it's Hocus Pocus... but it was pretty bad...

Maybe you are right. I don't know.

School shootings are something that I can not get past. You see and hear things that seem impossible. Certainly Jan 6th proved something. And the people you mentioned damn. Hard to swallow.

I am sure there are republican policy people. But the republican party has no doubt gone way downhill.

I would venture to say that people like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh exist more because of the people that listen that hate them. I never understood that, but I hear more about what these types of "shock" personalities say through people who claim to despise them than I have people who support them.

I think they are moving to the fringe where the Dems have been for 15 years.

That’s the ticket! Reflect your parties flaws on the opposition. Lol, you crack me up.

Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer.

The scary Dem fringe that wants marriage equality, women’s right to choose, healthcare for our citizens, affordable education, etc.
It’s the exact same as the other fringe… wanting to hang the VP, kidnap a governor, outlaw women’s choice, espouse white nationalism, etc.

Totally the same. If you can’t see it… you must be a communist.

Well I wasn't trying to assume the crazy lady that thinks a fictional movie about witches (PG Rated) that she left her 8 year old watching and who she believes manifests real witches into her home ... I wasn't trying to assume she was a Dem or Rep. She seemed to have religious undertones to the way she spoke - but I wasn't even trying to paint her as an extreme Christian either. My post was really about what a messed up place the world is when people believe these sorts of things. But then I guess I posted into a political forum and for that it's turned something else.

In some ways I find it sad - other times funny or surreal. If anyone ever was a fan of Monty Python - John Cleese had a spin off show about a hotel in Torquay (separate not spin off I suppose) called Fawlty Towers. It's dated as all get up now - but it has comedy brilliance in it. Probably more so than Monty Python which could be hot or miss. . . . . This lady complaining about Hocus Pocus 2 reminded me of one episode has a grump old lady staying at the hotel, she is hard of hearing and complains about everything and calls Cleese (Hotel owner) into her room complaining she paid for a room with a view .... a very uptight Cleese says something like " You've got one" to which she refutes or says it's not much a view and his reply was something like "What was Madam expecting to see out of a Torquay bedroom window? Herds of Wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plains? The Hanging Gardens of Paradise perhaps?" .... "I expect to be able to see the Sea" she says - "You can Madam - it's over there between the land and the sky".

Putting aside the manifestation of real witches - what was this lady expecting to see in a Movie about Witches?

When you have a former president going around telling everybody there’s another witch hunt going on. It doesn’t suprize me a bit that alot people believe real witches manifest into their home. Normalizing witches seems to be the logical next step. . BTW. Love Faulty Towers.

I don’t know, brother. I didn’t see anyone who despises Alex jones spamming this message board with his videos. I’ll leave it at that.

This thread seemed as good as any other... "the world we live in". Some of this crap going on in schools is mind-boggling. Wouldn't a normal school board just want to steer clear of this kind of crap? Instead they embrace and promote. For what? Brownie points with their woke crowd??

An event sponsored by a gender reassignment clinic and an over 21 gay bar.



California school board bashed by mom as ‘groomers, activist pimps’ over invite to Halloween party featuring drag queen show

A San Diego-area parent accused her local school board of being “groomers and activist pimps” after it invited the community to a “queer” Halloween party featuring a “family friendly” drag queen show.

The Encinitas Union School District removed a flier promoting the Oct. 29 “Boo Bash” event after reportedly deciding it did “not meeting district approval criteria” — but festering anger led dozens of parents to protest outside Tuesday’s meeting as mom Brittany Mayer tore into officials.

The Saturday block party set for San Diego’s LGBT stronghold in the Hillcrest neighborhood touts itself as “the queerfest free Halloween party for youth and families,” and is sponsored by Align Surgical Associates, a San Francisco gender reassignment surgery center, and Rich’s Nightclub, a popular gay nightclub.

The racy party wasn’t hosted or endorsed by the public school district, but it was included on Peachjar, an “optional information hub containing community events and opportunities for families in the district,” education officials told KGTV.

Mayer posted a clip of her fiery diatribe at the board meeting.

“I just want to know what it is that makes a drag show family friendly?” Mayer sarcastically asked the board, footage she posted of her blistering rant showed.

“What is it about a grown man costumed in a sparkly bra with augmented boobs busting out and wearing a miniskirt barely covering his twerking ass with duck tape on his front while spreading his fish-netted legs as he writhes on the ground, grinding his groin next to a minor, family friendly?” she demanded before demanding an apology.

“While we have a culture with a massive problem with child porn and child sex trafficking, you, a little school district board of adults made the decision to feature an event to hypersexualize your children,” Mayer raged.

“You all played the activist pimp for Align Surgical center and for a 21 plus gay bar,” she insisted. “It makes you groomers and activist pimps and we won’t have those sitting on a school board that oversees the education of our children.”

The issue — which wasn’t on the board’s agenda — reportedly galvanized a group of parents to hire a lawyer to determine how the event became intertwined with the district in the first place.

Carrie Prejean Boller, a conservative activist who yanked the two kids she shares with former pro-quarterback Kyle Boller from the district over its mask mandate last year, joined the protest.

“Our message is very clear. We don’t want strip shows, we don’t want drag shows, and definitely not … inviting the parents and kids in our district,” she reportedly said.

Attempts by the former Miss California USA winner — stripped of her title after speaking out against gay marriage at Donald Trump’s Miss USA pageant in 2009 — to reach a settlement with the pageant were thwarted by her appearance in an “extremely graphic” porno movie, according to TMZ.

Justin Ried, a candidate for school board who has children in the district, walked a thin line when describing his stance.

“We certainly want to be an inclusive community and support groups of all kinds, but the question is where do we draw the line?” he reportedly said. “At what point do we think well, maybe drag shows shouldn’t be promoted to our kindergarten through 6th families is that something that would be suitable for somebody who is 5 to 10 years old, maybe not. We should know how those decisions are being arrived at.”

Meanwhile, San Diego County Supervisor Terra Lawson-Remer gave the event a full-throated endorsement and said she’ll bring her 3-year-old son.

“The parents in my home school district (Encinitas Union) protesting the Halloween Drag Show should be ashamed of themselves for pushing hate and intolerance on all of us,” the Democrat tweeted Wednesday.


https://nypost.com/2022/10/13/drag-queen-halloween-party-invite-by-cali-school-board-hit/

As I've always said, each side has their extremists. I won't get into the debate of comparing the two. But I agree this pushes the envelope too far.

I don't even know where to begin after reading that article. Goodness.

So yeah, nope.

WTW?

FATE is just upset that he had to alter his drag routine for the kids that showed up.

I was using super-wide duct tape, I don't see what the big deal is. Had to be my twerk game -- it's next level.

First, I question the authenticity of the description she gave. That aside, I don't get it. I don't get why the school board would allow that if this was truly the case. Over in GOPer zealot-Ville, any man in feminine attire would be a grooming pedo drag queen. I would almost have to see the who what when where and why to even believe this piece as anything more than stirring the pot. GOPers will clutch their pearls over damn near anything, so we should never trust their judgment in situations that require a modicum of honesty or judgment. I've seen enough crap from the GOPers on this board to know I would never trust THEM with my kids' education. And no, I wouldn't want half-dressed drag queens doing what she described around my small kids, but the article says, "San Diego’s LGBT stronghold in the Hillcrest"... if these are other kids' parents being bashed for being LGBTQ, or for throwing a community Halloween party themed LFBTQ in an LGBTQ neighborhood, well then I question everything she said. You could tell by the way she attacked that the LGBTQ lifestyle goes against her grain. Is the proper response "STFU Karen" or "What the hell was the school board thinking?" Too many unanswered questions to even know what happened, let alone judge. And this was the very conservative, Trumpian, and generally tabloid-ish NYPost, not WaPo or the Times. So the source is sketchy at a minimum.

This is the flyer posted on the school board's Peachjar... it's a portal many school boards is for communication and to promote certain events... "an information hub containing community events and opportunities for families in the district."

You can be as "unsure" about the validity as you want, there are more than enough facts to say this is true. Do you think the council meeting was some staged event?

A very stupid decision by a school board more concerned with earning brownie points with their "woke crowd" than giving an inkling of thought to what is appropriate to promote as a "family friendly event". But yes, by all means, "dishonest GOPers, Trumpians, and STFU Karens" "It's all a hoax!!"

I personally have never seen a live drag show, but I do know people who have and do. I know they can be entertaining in a comedic, talent show, and karaoke way as well as PG13. What is the difference between taking your kids to a clean drag show vs. a family-friendly event at a biker clubhouse? Or a hunting club? Or a catholic church, any church really. These are all personal lifestyle choices. The answer is obvious if you think interactions with the LGBTQ community could make you or your child gay, or somehow less straight. Of course, that is ridiculous, being exposed to any other lifestyle does not cause you to adopt that lifestyle unless YOU WANT TO. I also didn't see anything mandatory about the students attending. Looks like an LGBTQ community celebrating Halloween and extending that invitation to non-LGBTQ members of the community via a school/community notification platform. The drag show, family-friendly bit probably means they've cleaned up the vaudeville-style humor, language, etc. keeping it clean for the whole community. I really don't see the issue. If you don't want to participate, don't. Take your kids to church or something instead. And if the school serves that LGBTQ community and its kids, why wouldn't the invitation be appropriate on that platform? You are all aware that the LGBTQ community has families and children too right? As a matter of fact, I'll just call KAREN now until somebody proves she's not a judgemental self-entitled white woman raging against the other. No different than the jerks telling Mexican Americans to go back to Mexico. We all know she didn't take her kid, she just hated that she was exposed to the ad. THE AD. The rest of her rant was her imagination.

But I would imagine all those Christians that condemn the LGBTQ for a living don't see that Jesus was tolerant and accepting to a fault. Or that their GOD must have 'created' these people too, so how could it be bad? I guess you could say that about pedophiles too, but they actually harm their victims. I've never heard of a drag show committing a hate crime or creating victims in any way. I have heard of White KARENS destroying people's lives over a false sense of white elitism and superiority. And I think that's is what this is.

Don't care for him or his acting so no idea what that meme means. But if you somehow are trying to demean what I said, cool. But I learned a long time ago that the most homophobic people are the ones with the most to hide.

What in "the world we live in" does that mean??

Meaning that woman's rant was homophobic.

The only drag show I saw was at some adult only bar in New Orleans.

Funny there, maybe. Funny for a school pageant? Hardly. Maybe the nudists should have their day and we have all the kids walk around naked?

Maybe we should make all the high school girls carry a pregnancy to term for Halloween. You know something conservative white Christian Nationalists could get behind.

We can "MAYBE" each other to death, but at the end of the day, this story is still about conservative bias and lies from the looks of it.

Then there's this.......

"Fix their Brains!"

The one guy called it hate material

A great falling away

It's discrimination against Christian beliefs . These people think their invisible friend gives them a free pass to be vile.

What ever happened to live and let live?

Don't like the mural, don't go see it, put your kids in a different school or tell them to avoid that hallway. I just don't get the whole concept of forcing people to live like someone else, and that goes for all people, cancel culture, the easily offended, and all the people who feel everyone should only do things that please them.

I agree with you. Very much so, actually. I do think there's a balance that's logical though. Basically, the balance between "that's your right to do what you want as long as you're not harming yourself or others" vs the "just don't get in my face with it" prong. I think that is a legitimate balance of interests.

Of course, to your point, the third prong of cancel culture/wanting to control other people's morality completely throws that balance and any legitimate discourse out of whack.

agreed. There is a balance, which is general covered under "common sense", something that is often overlooked when someone is offended by something.

Yeah, common sense is definitely not the trending style. Nowadays, it's more like asking your particular tribe "What is our common sense supposed to be?"

That was a sick statement. BTW it wasn’t a school pageant. It was a community event. Nobody was forced to attend.

People think their feelings give them the right to harangue, belittle, and or attack people they disagree with, that's what happened. It's part of or an extension of the primarily youthful "offended by everything" movement.

Should society have some sort of morals or standards? If so, then there has to be some degree of control...no? No doubt that killing people breaks the rules, but that is still enforcing moral standards.

I agree with logical balance. I am not talking about you specifically, but your logical standards might not be the same as mine. How do you determine what is and isn't logical? For everybody there has to be a point where they can't ride the fence any longer and have to declare one way or the other.