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We have no idea if the FO purused Suh and was rebuffed, or if they just skipped calling.
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I'm not saying it's a reasonable excuse. Just seems like we've been sitting on our hands all season, doing a little bargain shopping here and there... and just waiting. I'm sure that's more the fan in me knowing that the season would end in disappointment.
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That's OK, we didn't need them, our PFF worst ranked DTs are more than adequate. 
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We can't afford shiny new toys after paying DW. All other positions have to take that hit.
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Free-agent DT Ndamukong Suh reached agreement on a one-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles, per sources. Eagles now have landed Linval Joseph and Suh on back-to-back days.
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Joseph and Suh are 34 and 35 years old, not the type of players we're going to go after on one year deals. Maybe if our record was reversed with Watson in the wings.
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Joseph and Suh are 34 and 35 years old, not the type of players we're going to go after on one year deals. Maybe if our record was reversed with Watson in the wings. The problem is the Browns never actually sign players to 1-year deals. They call it that but put the money in a bonus and spread it out over 3-5 years, so they hit the cap years after they are gone. Examples: Conklin is a FA and if he leaves the Browns still have him on the book's in 2023 & 2024 for 3M each year. Clowney is a FA at seasons end but will be on the books in 2023, 24, 25, & 26 for 1.6M each year. Cooper's base salary jumps to 20M each of the next 2-years but he's on the books for bonus cap charges the next 4-years at 3.776M per year. Finally, Garrett's base salary for 2023 is right now 17.25M but his prorated bonus charge is 11.926M making his cap charge in 2023 at 29.176M due to moving base salary to prorated bonuses.
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How they manage things is up to them. With an expanding salary cap, I doubt that money is an issue with signing players.
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Keep thinking that.......
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I get we are not going to the playoffs, but to see Suh go to Philly today irritate me. He's been on social media most of the year talking about how he would be a great match w/the Browns.Perhaps things would be different if we had signed him earlier in the year when it was apparent to everyone that our DTs sucked a$$.
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I get we are not going to the playoffs, but to see Suh go to Philly today irritate me. He's been on social media most of the year talking about how he would be a great match w/the Browns.Perhaps things would be different if we had signed him earlier in the year when it was apparent to everyone that our DTs sucked a$$.
The Browns Need Defensive Tackle Help, What are Their Options?
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I made the same point in the Joe Woods column.
Berry, Stefanski, and Woods share responsibility for not making a proper assessment of the depth chart at DT when 2021 ended.
They put underserved faith in Elliott and then free agent Bryan. Their thinking was Togiai and then draft pick Winfrey would be guys worth developing. They would be used in rotation and gain experience. The problem is both Elliott and Bryan are not good players. Winfrey can not pay attention. Togiai will never develop.
In addition the attitude must have been that DT is a position where you can by on lesser talent.
You can not have lesser talent at DT when the base defense is 4-2-5. If a linebacker is going to be sacrificed to put more coverage guys in position.
Then it is imperative that the DT position holds gap integrity on both sides of the center.
There is blame to go around. Perhaps this attitude about the DT position will change.
IMO position value is part of prioritising investment. However, I believe in 'Unit evaluation."
Because the positions compliment each other. If you have a guy like Myles and next to him you have a dud. You nullify the strength of the DE.
Yes. It is frustrating.
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I can't believe it!
An aging veteran, in his decline, waits until the second half of the season to sign with a contender!
Tackles are tackles.
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I can't believe it!
An aging veteran, in his decline, waits until the second half of the season to sign with a contender! Shocking! Got your snowshoes ready, Memphis?
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I just looked at the injury report off the official site.
They listed Perrion Winfrey and under injury "head" then DNP all week.
Then listed him as OUT for the game.
There is good reason to believe that he is going to get cut. He has been a healthy "Out" for games now. And DT is under construction.
There is a serious problem going on with this guy.
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They listed Perrion Winfrey and under injury "head" then DNP all week. Because they cannot say "head case" on an official injury report.
Tackles are tackles.
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Good one because that must be the case.
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I mentioned that earlier. I checked the participation record because I thought maybe he was involved with the collision with Newsome. I'm pretty sure Winfrey practiced Wednesday and sustained the injury then.
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I don't know for sure.
Winfrey is not in concussion protocol. Newsome is.
Winfrey has been a healthy scratch for weeks.
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They listed Perrion Winfrey and under injury "head" then DNP all week. Because they cannot say "head case" on an official injury report.
And that is nothing but a "CANNED EXCUSE" that the analytics crew uses far too often.
You cannot draft a player based on a 40 yd time and a SPARQ score. You need scouts who are willing to spend the time to get to know the person...know what motivates them. You have to have experienced scouts who have a history of judging football talent. Depodesta fired all of those kind of scouts, preferring to replace them with analytics types who have little or no experience in the game of football...BUT they know how to compose and read a graph based on SPARQ scores.
HOW DO YOU MEASURE WHAT IS IN A PLAYERS HEART..?
HOW DO THE ANALYTICS PROFESSIONALS MEASURE A PLAYER'S "DESIRE" TO WIN OR SUCCEED...?
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You might want to tell these guys they are not scouts, and they don't evaluate talent because they sure do a lot of work for nothing then  Pro Scouting Adam Al-Khayyal Director, Pro Scouting Sam DeLuca Assistant Director of Pro Scouting Branden Francis Pro Scout College Scouting Max Paulus Director, College Scouting Zach Ayers National Scout Chris Buford National Scout Josh Cox Area Scout Matt Donahoe Area Scout Gerald McCully Area Scout Kathleen Wood Area Scout Dan Zegers Area Scout Joe Dever Area Scout Shawn Heinlen Area Scout
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You might want to tell these guys they are not scouts, and they don't evaluate talent because they sure do a lot of work for nothing then
GM...tell everyone about 'the top Pro Scout' in charge of the Browns scouting department, Adam Al-Khayyal Director, Pro Scouting...
GM, fill everyone in on "Adam Al-Khayyal's Biography"...that should instill confidence in the Browns scouting department. Help us out, GM.
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I would play Winfrey. I don't know what he did or what the problem is but playing him putting him on the line might straighten him out. Heck, with the way our DT's have been playing it can't hurt.
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And DT is under construction. I think the biggest complaint on this board has been that the interior of the DL has NOT been under construction.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Yeah, it’s been an area of complete abandonment
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Has DW returned to practice?
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Has DW returned to practice? They just said on TV he ran the scout team this week.
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You might want to tell these guys they are not scouts, and they don't evaluate talent because they sure do a lot of work for nothing then
GM...tell everyone about 'the top Pro Scout' in charge of the Browns scouting department, Adam Al-Khayyal Director, Pro Scouting...
GM, fill everyone in on "Adam Al-Khayyal's Biography"...that should instill confidence in the Browns scouting department. Help us out, GM. What part do you want to know Mac? That he played High School football That he played in college for Princeton? Maybe it means something that his dad is a professor, or his mom is a lawyer? Do you need any info on his sister? Maybe a little of his History with the Browns? Football Administration and Player Personnel Aug 2015 - Jun 2017 College Scout Jun 2017 - May 2020 Assistant Director, Pro Personnel May 2020 - Jun 2022 Director, Pro Scouting Jun 2022 - Present But you see you don't really want to know anything. You just want to hear Adam was bitten buy the evil vampire leader named Depo. He was infected by his analytics, and is under his full analytics trance and must follow his masters evil thoughts and be subject to his mind control. I mean that makes as much sense as the Fairy tales you keep spouting off about.
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.dawgsbynature.comPerrion Winfrey pregame tweet: 'One of the worst years of my life' + posted by JaredMueller on Nov 20, 2022 twitter.com Once again inactive in Week 11, Cleveland Browns rookie DT Perrion Winfrey posted, shortly before the game, that this year has been difficult. His first year in the NFL hasn't been what many hoped it would be.
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I suspect it's about to get worse. Good luck in the real world.
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.dawgsbynature.comPerrion Winfrey pregame tweet: 'One of the worst years of my life' + posted by JaredMueller on Nov 20, 2022 twitter.com Once again inactive in Week 11, Cleveland Browns rookie DT Perrion Winfrey posted, shortly before the game, that this year has been difficult. His first year in the NFL hasn't been what many hoped it would be. If this team had a thimble-full of leadership, they'd get this kid straight.
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.dawgsbynature.comPerrion Winfrey pregame tweet: 'One of the worst years of my life' + posted by JaredMueller on Nov 20, 2022 twitter.com Once again inactive in Week 11, Cleveland Browns rookie DT Perrion Winfrey posted, shortly before the game, that this year has been difficult. His first year in the NFL hasn't been what many hoped it would be. If this team had a thimble-full of leadership, they'd get this kid straight. This is pretty much where this team and organization is at.
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Are you really blaming Winfrey's attitude on the organization?
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No. I am saying in general the organization is devoid of leadership.
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Man, he's fallen a long way in a relatively short time period. The life of NFL RBs is tough.
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And the crazy thing about Gordon: he looks GOOD sometimes too. But the fumble issue was the start of his downfall
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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This guy is another immature, arrogant young qb.
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