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Browns offensive line works, plays well together
Friday, November 30, 2007 4:10 AM
By James Walker

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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Browns rookie lineman has all the intangibles
Friday, November 30, 2007

BEREA, Ohio -- As the media were interviewing Cleveland Browns guard Eric Steinbach the other day, tackle Kevin Shaffer stood in the background mocking his mannerisms. Shaffer's prank briefly distracted Steinbach and made him smile.

During his interview, right guard Ryan Tucker pointed to rookie tackle Joe Thomas a few lockers down. Like a proud big brother, Tucker praised the rookie for playing beyond his years.

And Browns captain and center Hank Fraley, the leader of the group, easily summed up what makes the offensive line tick:

"We're just like a family up here," he said.

The chemistry among the linemen is undeniable. It shows in the locker room and on the field. They have given up 14 sacks in 11 games, allowing quarterback Derek Anderson to throw for 2,758 yards and 22 touchdowns. Their ability to create holes has allowed tailback Jamal Lewis to rush for 741 yards and eight touchdowns.

If the unit isn't getting enough credit for the Browns' success, the linemen say that's OK with them. They get plenty of respect from teammates and the coaching staff.

Off the field, the group gets together often and enjoys many of the same things. When five players average 6 feet 5 and 314 pounds, they're bound to have something in common.

"We like to go out to dinner together and just hang out," Thomas said. "There's a number of guys on the offensive line who like the outdoors and like to go hunting or fishing and stuff like that together when we get a little free time."

The linemen have responded to every challenge they have faced this season.

Thomas had to be a quick study as a rookie left tackle and has flourished. Steinbach missed most of the preseason because of a knee injury but stepped in seamlessly. And Seth McKinney's separated shoulder in week eight forced Tucker into the starting lineup, but the group hasn't missed a beat.

"It helps when you have good players," Fraley said. "I can't say I could sit out all training camp and come and play as well as Steinbach when he came back in. It's a compliment to guys really around you on the O-line. Guys are big studiers. They take criticism well when they need to. I'm just in the middle of great players and it helps out."

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Browns captain and center Hank Fraley breaks down the starting offensive line:

• Right tackle Kevin Shaffer: "Shaffer's the funny guy. He's a prankster, and he's weird-looking with the goatee."

• Right guard Ryan Tucker: "Tuck's the mauler of the bunch. He's strong, a great puncher. He's also like the grandfather of the group, an older guy."

• Center Hank Fraley: "I guess I'm a jokester along with Shaffer. We're the pranksters of the O-line, playing little silly jokes. Sometimes they get frustrated with it."

• Left guard Eric Steinbach: "Steiny is the bad-body guy. (Steinbach has fought through knee and back injuries.) He's like a 40-year-old."

• Left tackle Joe Thomas: "Joe is just that quiet, confident rookie that plays like a 10-year vet."

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Friday, November 30, 2007 4:35 AM
By James Walker

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BEREA, Ohio -- Center Hank Fraley was first impressed by Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas in training camp.

Fraley stumbled upon Thomas studying game film -- voluntarily. The season opener

was weeks away, but Thomas, the No. 3 overall draft pick, already was scouting upcoming opponents.

"You normally don't see a rookie doing that," said Fraley, an eighth-year pro. "Usually you have to teach him or say, 'Hey, make sure you get in the film room.' No one had to say anything to him."

Thomas' work ethic and even demeanor have impressed teammates and have helped him become the biggest cog on an offensive line that has allowed just 14 sacks in 11 games. He is flourishing in protecting quarterback Derek Anderson's blind side.

The improved line play is one of the major reasons the Browns are 7-4 with an inside track at making the playoffs entering a game Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals.

Thomas draws the toughest assignment every week against some of the league's best pass rushers. In the past three games, he has staved off James Harrison of Pittsburgh, Terrell Suggs of Baltimore and Mario Williams of Houston.

"He's been a lynchpin to that offensive line," general manager Phil Savage said. "I think Joe has played better than most people would have expected a rookie left tackle to have played. That has definitely been a boost to us."

Many thought Thomas was the safest pick in the draft and the most NFL-ready, which is why the Browns selected him. Now he is a favorite for Rookie of the Year, along with running back Adrian Peterson of Minnesota.

Thomas said training camp was the toughest because he had to prove to his teammates that he could play at a high level. Once the season started, Thomas says, everyone was on the same playing field.

"As an offensive lineman, it's kind of nice because you don't get a lot of the same pressure and a lot of hype as maybe a skill position of quarterback or receiver does," Thomas said. "You can really fly under the radar."

Teammates have been impressed with Thomas' maturity. He has fit in well with a group of veterans.

The offensive line of Fraley at center, Kevin Shaffer at right tackle and Eric Steinbach and Ryan Tucker at the guard positions averages 7 1/2 years of NFL experience -- seven years ago, Thomas was 15 years old.

"If you walked in this locker room and you didn't know who he was, you wouldn't think he was a rookie," Tucker said. "He really prepares, and there's a lot of attributes he has that are hard to get. But he's got it, and I'm glad he's on this team."

But Thomas continues to get the rookie treatment.

He and fellow first-round pick Brady Quinn had their heads shaved during training camp. Thomas also has to fetch food for the linemen, and during workouts he usually is the one getting the heavy weights for everyone else.

"He still has some rookie obligations to fill, but in the end we all respect him," Steinbach said.

It is part of the checks and balances that keep Thomas and the rest of the offensive line focused.

"We cannot let him get too big of a head with the way he's been playing," Fraley said. "He's just playing awesome. But that's our offensive line mentality, not to let anyone get too big of a head."

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Thanks for those reads.

Joe Thomas has been as advertised. I miss Vers. He could get the praise that is due to him for getting everyone on the Joe Thomas bandwagon. Thomas is the real deal.

You know, I have been around these boards for awhile. First when it was the Official Browns board, and now this awesome board that Purp has blessed us with. The whole theme of all those years has been the hatred towards the neglect of the OL.

Savage has done a great job of building a wall for our QB. As the year has progressed, so has the OL. While pass protection has been pretty stellar all season, the holes we are opening for Lewis are getting better also.

We paid top dollar, but the results have been well worth it. This OL is by far the best group of YOUNG talent that we have ever had in my lifetime.




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Great articles... I'm really glad we have each and every one of them...

all the way from LT to RT...


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Man, I cannot stress how HUGE the Drafting of Thomas and the Signing of Steinbach were...And Steinbach is a guy many of us wanted in the draft...1st round of the draft...u know...The one we took FAINE...Jeezzzzzzzz.....

I love signing these guys that have experience and have just finished out their 1st contracts...Like Steiner and Bentley...Yeah u pay for it...But u also expedite the transition not needing the 3 normal years to get guys in tune with the NFL...THAT is worth every penny...

As much as Thomas and Steinbach were HUGE pick-ups...Moving Shaffer off the LT spot was just as huge...Throw in a timely inexpensive McKinney and we see the results...ALL of which increased our DEPTH at the same time...Having Tucker step in at RG was a seemless transisition for these guys...GREAT MOVE CRENNEL...Keeps Friedman as depth...

Going forward...Just take a looksie at this...And STUDY it for a second...

Guaranteed RETURNING Starters::::::::::::::

Thomas LT
Steinbach LG
Fraley C
Shaffer RT

That in itself is BEYOND HUGE....

Tucker???...As long as he stays healthy we almost MUST keep him...He's scheduled for a measely 2.3M in 2008 and with the extension he signed 3.25M in 2009...KEEP HIM...He's our #1 back-up RT and RG next year...

Wildcard...BENTLEY...Don't know how u feel about it but I'm virtually 100% sure he will be back...Caplan is pretty sure of it also...

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Adam, Have you heard if Bentley will be able to play next year?
Adam Caplan: RAM: MY sense is that he will be able to play next year
Adam Caplan: will do some stuff in OTAs




Bents gets healthy and gets back in football shape thru the offseason/OTA's and preseason and we go to another level...ELITE LEVEL...Can u imagine this???...Take a look at this...

Thomas
Steinbach
Fraley
Bentley
Shaffer

6th man in Tucker...

We even have another option...

Bentley to Center and Tucker at RG...SICK...

This is a huge reason why I am not the least bit worried if we end up losing Anderson for 1st and 3rd round compensation...If we didn't have Quinn waiting in the wings then I'd say NO WAY...We get that 2nd 3rd rounder and grab an OG and we're gonna get a solid Guard that would be ready in a year or 2...

We go out and get Mikey Turner and this is an offense that will strike FEAR in any and all opponents...And Brady Quinn could not DREAM of a better recipe for SUCCESS...Tim Couch has gotta be at home shakin' his head...lol...

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Man, I cannot stress how HUGE the Drafting of Thomas and the Signing of Steinbach were...And Steinbach is a guy many of us wanted in the draft...1st round of the draft...u know...The one we took FAINE...Jeezzzzzzzz.....



Huge aint the word for it.......for years many of us bemoaned the fact that we were ignoring the OL and if it were shored up properly a winning product could be seen on the field. Voila!

We went through the pains of seeing the team blown up again but Savage and RAC have built it properly since blowing it up......and we are in good shape money-wise for next year plus as you have noted our OL is set for awhile. Work on the D side of the ball and we should be in like Flynn to be a contending team for years to come.

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I just made this same statement a couple of days ago....

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When I saw we had signed Steinbach, I jumped up and down. When we drafted Joe Thomas I just went crazy. Now imagine if we would have been able to get Dielman. That would be some O Line. But, I'm happy with what we have. We have a great young Left Tackle, a great pass blocking Left Guard, a solid veterab center with a great motor, a solid veteran Right Guard, and an above average Right Tackle. We also have an All-Pro Guard/Center coming back from an injury. This is a great time to be a Browns fan.

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Nice article Saint. Nice to see the big guys on the line get some credit for our turnaround on O. They came together faster than any of us had hoped. Heres to beeing together for a few more yrs.

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And lost somewhere in all of this is Isaac Sowells... I am becoming more convinced that he was just the result of an experiment gone bad?

When you talk about 2008's depth/starters, any ideas if we will try and get McKinney back? IIRC, he was given a 1 year deal like Jamal... Just like what I saw out of him and see him as an upgrade over Friedman...

There were some of us that wanted Joe LONG before his Sr. Year... The guy was a stud when he played for Wisconsin and chances are would have declared if not for his bowlgame injury... So nice to see that Phil gets it when it comes to the trenches... I can fully see him going to work on the front 7 with a quickness...

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If I've been nothing else for the last 7 years, I've been an OL pimp.. I advocated building the foundation in 1999 when everyone wanted glamour.. That's Pre message board times for me... (I'll be damned if I can remember who I wanted.. )

And every regime since has basically ignored the foundation of this team until last off season.. The acquistion of Stienbach (Yes DnD,, I wanted him in the draft, just like a ton of others) the drafting of Thomas, resigning Fraley (boy, did that work out well or what)... There may have even been a little soothing of Shaffers brow mixed in.. and let's not forget Seth McKinney.

Some people didn't think highly of McKinney,, but he was doing his job before he got hurt.. Tucker has done a better job at guard, or so it appears.

Perhaps the biggest coup was the versitility of these guys.,

Shaffer: Better RT than he was a LT, but could hop over there in a pinch
Tucker: equally at home at RT or RG
McKinney: equally at home at RG or C
Fraley: Center is his job and he's not moving I don't think
Stienbach: Comfortable at LT and C, but stud at LG
Thomas: Who cares, he's gonna be the best LT in the league
Lennie Friedman: Supersub... Center, L and R Guard!

And let's not forget what Savage Tried to do: BENTLEY.... Oh had that only worked out better.. I feel really bad for LaCharles... But, with him healthy, we wouldn't have acquired Fraley and frankly, I love the way Fraley plays.,,,,, So maybe when he comes back, if he comes back, he can move to RG.... Tucker isn't getting younger ya know!

All in all, I couldn't be happier... Now, it's on to the other side of the ball... the foundation building continues with the Dline!


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I miss Vers. He could get the praise that is due to him for getting everyone on the Joe Thomas bandwagon.





Oh oh-- what's up with Vers????

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Um, he got whiny over being suspended and hasn't posted in months?

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If I've been nothing else for the last 7 years, I've been an OL pimp.. I advocated building the foundation in 1999 when everyone wanted glamour..




LOL!! Reminds me of that Mike & Mike Commercial...
'Dandy Doodles? You took the flashy wide-receiver with the attitude problem?'


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Lennie Friedman: Supersub... Center, L and R Guard!





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It's funny,, I don't even remember what he did to get suspended.... Odd, I usually remember those things


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Well, I distinctly remember him ticking me off on a daily basis. But we hugged and made up. He really didn't handle criticism well. It would interesting to get his take on the state of the team right now though. Maybe.


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he posts on the other board, but not very much. I assume that he's busy guy, or just doesn't like the forums anymore.


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These are great articles! Thanks for sharing.

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How long have we been fussing about the line?
Several people no longer here who claimed Phil won't address the needs are probably eating crow now...

Interesting is the fact that it isn't talked about very much..


The line has played above expectations..although I might say next year ..training camp is going to be very telling with Bentley probably showing if he can make a comeback..
I like Shaffer/Tucker duo at RT/RG...
The Steiner signing wa shuge..as well at the LT we've needed for years in Thomas..
Man...just think if we HAD a QB..and didn't have to use those picks..
But one guy who works his tail off is Fraley..one might say that was a even more important aquisition that Steiner..

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Good articles.

Oddly enough it took the signing of Shelton & the injury to LCB to get us on the road here. If Shelton hadn't been such a schlub we wouldn't have come up with the contract for Shaffer, (which doesn't seem too expensive now). If LCB doesn't go down (and I can't wait to get him back) we don't pick up Hank, (who I think is a huge part of the success of this O-line in demeanor, attitude and work ethic) or Lennie (very servicable at multiple spots). Picking up McKinney was smart because we didn't know what we had there (getting Tuck back seems like a huge dose of luck) and signing Steiner may prove to be a brilliant if he can stay healthy. Thomas is the icing on the cake. I wanted him in the draft but I have to admit I wanted a QB more and could not believe the deal we pulled to get both... but I have to admit even if we hadn't made the QB deal, taking Thomas has absolutely proven to be the best move Savage could have made hands down.

It is a very good line that will hopefully get better & even deeper but it didn't happen over night. While it finally has come together this season, it's been three years the making. The O-line was a shambles when RAC & Savage took over and last year was a disaster for that unit. Given all the holes in team overall when they took the helm, it is truly amazing how much talent they've accumulated and how much respect as an organization they've gained. The O-line is a good microcosm of how the team should eventually be at all the positions. A DE here, an ILB there, another Wideout, another Nose... an RB behind Jamal maybe... This should become a very dangerous team if this season is a true indicator of things to come. JMHO



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We went through the pains of seeing the team blown up again but Savage and RAC have built it properly since blowing it up......




Three blow-ups in in the first six years since 1999.

1999 New Regime
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2001 New Regime
2002
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2004
2005 New Regime
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2007 (Well, 2/3'rds of it so far.)

And some fans were talking about another change after 2006!


That Savage and Rac took this team from the depths of dispair to their present state so quickly is a testament of their putting a well-fed horse before the cart.

Of course DA is the windfall, but it's the Offensive Line that has made that possible.


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dawg, and shep.....know what the best part of him getting the oline straightened out is?

he's gonna do the d-line next....some fa linemen, maybe a stud backer....

and even if we go into the draft with the picks we have now, its supposed to be super deep at rb....(i'm talkin' first round talent in the 2nd round) thats what i read awhile back anyway....

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he's gonna do the d-line next....some fa linemen, maybe a stud backer....




The best part is that Browns fans all over the world BELIEVE that he he will fix the D-line. We have not been able to believe in the front office for the last eight years, and now most of us do


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One GM that i looked up to growing up was bobby bethard. when he was younger he had a nose for talent and wasn't afraid to make the big move. This is how i see savage.


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