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We definitely have an offensive identity. To state otherwise is absurd. Stefanski is doing a great job on that side of the ball. No one can dispute that.

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I don't think Stefanski and Rhule are anything alike. I think Rhule is a snakeoil salesman. He oozes not trustworthy and full of crap.

Stefanski is just the opposite. I think he comes across as intelligent and sincere. I think he is both of those things.

The results are similar for both, but I think Stefanski is a good man and a good coach who is doing a poor job right now. Fingers crossed he gets it figured out.

I didn't say the two individuals are similar. What is similar and concerning - is both are saying the same things, while nothing has changed on the field of play. That goes for both 2021 and 2022. Even in some cases 2020 even though we went to the playoffs .... the most obvious example would be how many games over that span has KS got pass happy only to say that needs to change?


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I agree. I just think there is no hope for Rhule, and I wouldn't even take a chance on him if I were any team.

As critical as I am, I believe there is hope for Stefanski. But the clock is ticking. None of the issues thus far have anything to do with not having your franchise QB. They can all be traced back to poor coaching.

And that is so maddening.

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An observation. When all my fellow posters, and myself, stick to talking football on here and give honest opinions it's informative and enjoyable.

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Again, I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to change it, but does Stefanski have a losing record as a HC? Should we not consider how long it was since we had a season w/a winning record before he arrived? Would you disagree that he has had to deal w/a ton of distractions that would derail almost any team? New system during Covid. The OBJ thing. The continuing crap w/Baker dividing the locker room. The Watson saga where they left Stefanski on an island to field almost all the questions.

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Hell - we are very close on opinions. I've always like the calm preparedness KS brings to the team and the O. Despite issues I believe he can grow into being a very good HC. Personally I'd like to see KS maintain heavily involvement with the offense and even design the first 20 plays or whatever - but hand over play calling on game day so he can spend more time as HC and have a bigger influence on the D. As has been discussed already - as HC you have to own all aspects and a good or even great offense doesn't give you a free pass for having a shockingly bad D that is in disarray.

As for Rhule - he's done in the NFL but look for him to sign with a team like Nebraska or Auburn next year. While still picking up something like $980K a month from the panthers for the next 3+ years!


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
As is often times the case in todays society people have trouble discerning between an occasional occurrence and a rampant case of recidivism.

That's impressive. We use the term when referring to people that keep coming back to the psych unit in our hospital.


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As is often times the case in todays society people have trouble discerning between an occasional occurrence and a rampant case of recidivism.

That's impressive. We use the term when referring to people that keep coming back to the psych unit in our hospital.

I like that the author preceded the use of "recidivism" with the word "discerning"; adding more intellectual impact to the sentence overall. Hand in hand, the two are like a fine bourbon and hand-rolled Cuban cigar.


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I wonder what role Anthony Schwartz would have had on the I986 Browns. 84-85-86. I think he would have been waived.


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Originally Posted by THROW LONG
I wonder what role Anthony Schwartz would have had on the I986 Browns. 84-85-86. I think he would have been waived.


Probably no role. I think we were pretty happy with McNeil as a returner, and his hands were solid as a situational WR.

Maybe Rogers will step up for us now that he's got a another chance this week.

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I put Schwartz at about the Syndric Steptoe level.


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Any yet another stellar game by Schwartz. What a waste of a roster space.


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He’s SO, SO bad. The fact he’s still on the roster is malpractice.


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I haven't said much about the guy because it seemed like piling on, but did you see those last two attempts at catching the ball at the very end of yesterday's game? The balls were right to him and they ricocheted like JB was throwing them against a wall. Neither factored into the final outcome, but damn, that was pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I haven't said much about the guy because it seemed like piling on, but did you see those last two attempts at catching the ball at the very end of yesterday's game? The balls were right to him and they ricocheted like JB was throwing them against a wall. Neither factored into the final outcome, but damn, that was pathetic.
Honest to goodness, at that point I was hysterically (or cathartically) laughing. It was really quite a spectacle.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Past time now, we should have already replaced Schwartz with Woods II ------ cut or trade both Schwartz and Felton

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Seems to me that Schwartz being drafted - and still being on the roster is a succinct example of the worst of what's wrong with Berry as the GM

Seems JJ3 and Ward - and their regression from elite to well below average (flat out bad in Ward's case) are the most obvious examples of why Woods scheme and coaching is a disaster this year.

Posters can deflect and they can pontificate about a myriad of other contributing factors, but these two examples (3 I guess as I named two players on D) are not isolated incidents and you can't argue with just how bad the rot must be to see those things.


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Woods needs to play now. Even if we can get him ready for next year.


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Woods played yesterday and I think he was returning from injury.

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I will say that on one play Schwartz came in to the game, ran more or less a out and up in the middle of the field and was wide open. Would have been a TD...well, if he caught the ball. Not sure if it was a busted coverage or NE just elected to not cover him.

Only kind of kidding about electing to not cover him


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Whoever scouted Schwartz should be fired at the end of the
Year. Andrew Berry needs to be shown the door if he
Can't draft better than what he has.
I'd throw money at Brandon Beanes right hand man
In Buffalo and make him the GM here

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Anyone remember that Guisseppe dude who was a returner for us a few years ago? He was better than Schwartz


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Anyone remember that Guisseppe dude who was a returner for us a few years ago? He was better than Schwartz
Yeah he was the free agent that slept outside
The Browns practice facility.then GM Farmer gave him
A chance. Farmer sucked as a GM but that was nice
Gesture on his part

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Everybody has trouble catching him to give him his walking papers, but on the two occasions they did he dropped the papers.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I will say that on one play Schwartz came in to the game, ran more or less a out and up in the middle of the field and was wide open. Would have been a TD...well, if he caught the ball. Not sure if it was a busted coverage or NE just elected to not cover him.

Only kind of kidding about electing to not cover him



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One complaint about Brissett is the fact that he locks onto Cooper quite often


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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He really only has one other choice. DPJ. And he's no Cooper.


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Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


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Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


He was inactive.

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Thanks Frank. Next up: pink slip.

You can't fire me!!

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Thanks Frank. Next up: pink slip.

You can't fire me!!

laugh


He was really fast to hit the bench !

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Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


He was inactive.

Yeah, but did he play?


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Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


He was inactive.

Yeah, but did he play?

rofl He sure does run about a lot when he sees the field, not sure that is useful though.

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Originally Posted by jfanent
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Did AS even play today? I never noticed him but then again I rarely do.


He was inactive.

Yeah, but did he play?

Jfan that was seriously funny!

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DPJ and Cooper have done their part. We need another guy in the fold for Watson


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Yeah, DPJ is playing well this year.

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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
DPJ and Cooper have done their part. We need another guy in the fold for Watson
DPJ has improved in year 3..his hands are stronger. Route running
Looks more crisp. But he has yet to find the end zone
This year. That's the alarming thing about his game
Is not a end zone threat.
You would think with his build he could be a real asset
On 50/50 balls in the end zone.
His numbers are average this year.
12.7 ypc and 43rd in recieving yards.
If that's the production from your #2 WR in 7 games
That's not ideal

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