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It was also a terrible thing to happen but it had nothing to do with politics.

I think you're trying to deflect this into a conservative = good and liberal = bad thing, and that's not even what this is about. The guy is mentally ill. I think that much is indisputable. He was a QAnon advocate. Rather than condemning such theories (which you-know-who refused to do, at least when I watched his 2020 town hall), the flames are being stoked. Junior, who very ironically used it as a way to bash Hunter Biden, is making things worse. That's the problem. It's taking advantage of those who otherwise can't or won't think for themselves.

Funny, I don't recall you being a celebrity that people follow. Much like I stated in a thread about radio hosts have as many "haters" that follow their shows as supporters.

ocd is on twitter? I bet about 6 people know that.

Rand Paul was breaking the law. Funny how you MAGA GOPers are all for protection of one’s property until a neighbor tries to protect his property from a GOP scumbag.

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Definition of demented
1: MAD, INSANE
The advertising campaign for the movie version is trying to sell it as a prankish comedy, with the eccentric aunt who appears from nowhere as a demented Mary Poppins.
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… the violence was instigated directly by Serbian nationalists in Bosnia and in Belgrade as part of their demented project to separate the two intermixed ethnic communities once and for all,
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Either way, I am not there yet.

Good post.

It almost seems as if you're advocating as if the "right extremism" is the low-hanging fruit and must be solved before we can move on to the rest of the tree. All the fruit on the tree is rotten, there is extremism on all sides; if we really cared, why wouldn't we "start" shaking the tree? To me, the tree is our media, all forms. It's going to keep producing the rotten fruit no matter how hard we try to stop it. The more we galvanize around it, the more it grows.

This case is a perfect example. This is obviously a whack-job with all kinds of feelings and allegiances that may be defined as "fringe". This is a dude that broke into a house and attacked someone with a hammer. His self-professed plan was to wait for Nancy and "break her kneecaps so she would have to be wheeled into congress to face the consequences of her actions".

The entire left media is painting this as "right extremism". Is that what it is? Or is that merely part of the ongoing m.o. to keep this front and center as the big scary boogeymen? Eventually we'll all be forced to admit that the boogeyman is the mouthpiece telling us all what to be afraid of. Sadly, we are a part of that mouthpiece, every single time we influence the algorithm. Then the algorithm helps produce scumbags like this and we act like we all didn't play a part.

That's how a thread about a whack-job becomes an argument about extremism. That's why we're basically the same strain and breed that took great joy in cheering gladiators in the ring; just without the blood and gore. The second this crime hit the wire, the audience was divided into to camps -- those that hoped he would be associated with Trump and those that didn't. Think about that. Think about how many would have been so disappointed if there was no way to turn this guy into the latest "Trump minion". At some point, much of the discussion about extremism may have to be looked at for what it really is -- the tail wagging the dog.

We all need to quit co-signing b.s. and start calling it out for what it is a little more often. Can't speak for everyone, but I'm definitely a work in progress. If you want to be passionate, be more like Pit. He can at least call b.s. on all sides when he sees it... and he won't hesitate to call-out an "ally" when the moment requires. And I guarantee he would also admit that he's been a work in progress, because I've watched it and I know he's not "fake".

We're all culpable. Quit being an a-hole. Quit demeaning everyone that has a different opinion. I'd say that the average age here is a little higher than most forums. Sadly, that's a testament to the stubbornness required to go through all the pain and anguish this team has inflicted on us. We're also part of an age group that has been the Guinee pigs in this grand experiment, unfortunately for many of us "pigs don't know pigs stink".

There, I've covered the trees, the dogs and the pigs; probably time I checked out of the funny farm.

I’ll get back to you more substantively later, but I don’t view it as low-hanging fruit. I view it more as dire straits. If you let your boat into disrepair and it starts leaking badly, you concentrate on fixing the leak first since it’s the most glaring priority. Then you work on fixing the rest of the boat.

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Did you forget I'm progressive? That could also loosely be translated as Tech Savvy.

Are you a celebrity? I went back to see if I missed that in your post or a previous post in this thread, but nope you never mention that at all.

Also, where exactly did you think I get all the tweets I post? smh

I post tweets all the time, I ain't on no tweeter.

I think you are. @Reginald420.

I would, however, have to sign up to know WTH that means. Although you had me at 420. 🤙

bro why you using my first name and putting me on blast like this? you forgot the '69' part too btw

Ok he said something ( other than Spanish TV ). And it proves what a scum bags he is. He can easily denounce it, but instead muddies the water with his strange observations. He could do something to make things better and he chooses not to.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/donald-trump-paul-pelosi-reaction/index.html


“It’s weird things going on in that household in the last couple of weeks,” Trump said. “You know, probably, you and I are better off not talking about it. The glass, it seems, was broken from the inside to the out and, you know, so, it wasn’t a break in, it was a break out.”

Trump went on to say that he’s “not a fan of Nancy Pelosi,” but that what happened was “very sad.” He added: “The whole thing is crazy. I mean, if there’s even a little bit of truth to what’s being said, it’s crazy. But the window was broken in and it was strange the cops were standing there practically from the moment it all took place.”

He has to feed his minions another conspiracy and get them all worked up into a freaking frenzy and heads explode! Again. Over 9000 threats to elected officials in 2021-2022 up consistently from 201 in 2016. What happened?

Trying to get back to that substantive reply I mentioned earlier:

I definitely won't dispute the part about people wanting this to be a Trump minion. That subconscious inclination definitely exists. It's akin to schadenfreude. We saw stuff like that happen with the Jackson water crisis too.

As far as the media aspect goes, and in line with my own predilections have gone recently in terms of where my focus is, I had an epiphany when contemplating a lot of these political discussions. I'm a work in progress, as we all are, although I assume the "a-hole" thing you mentioned was toward the general "you" and not to me, although I've been guilty of that association from time to time

Despite being an admitted work in process, I think one thing Pit and I have in common is that we will disagree with calling out BS when we see it. Sometimes in doing so, I have realized that I have been wr...wro...wrrrrrr...not 100% correct.

Per our discussion, I do think that I have been more adamant in calling out far right extremism, and those firmly entrenched on the right side than I have those on the left. I do find that somewhat odd myself, because I'm a person who is generally, on the issues, more conservative leaning than I am liberal leaning. In reality, my leaning on the issues typically follows what I think makes the most sense, and that can change depending on where we are currently in society.

I think why I have taken on my more recent stances is two-fold: 1) For the reasons I mentioned before in believing that the rise in far-right extremism is our “dire straits” for the current time being and 2) Because I think there is more of an onus now than ever before for people to “call out their own.” This goes beyond what you are mentioning where you call out everything and places more emphasis on reality checking those in our own camps. Oh, by the way, it’s not easy to do.

Going along with your media points, when you look at almost any major 24 hour cable news network, you don’t see news, you see a “whip.” None of those programs, from Carlson to Maddow, and anything in between, are aimed at informing the populace. None. First, they are there to get ratings and $$$$, but secondly, they are there to reinforce their entrenched viewers to keep believing the same things and parroting the same propaganda. I’d have to imagine very little – if any - of what they are geared toward is trying to lay out an objective case to actually attempt to change minds.
What I have experienced in real life, is akin to what is happening on the board. You will have those who will repeat something over and over again without giving any consideration to the points being made by those on the “radical left” or the “fascist right.” What is also predictable is the hypocrisy and lack of consistency. Take the classified material example, for instance. I guarantee you that the vast majority of people who were up in arms at Clinton’s classified material blunders said little to nothing given Trump’s current situation, and vice versa. There is that bias in our head – that you talked about – wanting the bad things that happened to be associated with a certain side. But, I’ll take it a step further. When something bad happens to “your” side, the subconscious notion is that it’s too much, and we refuse to acknowledge it, avoid it altogether, or make up excuses about why it’s different. That childish “Thanks Y’all” thread that happened a few months ago was a perfect example.

So, this creates a dynamic where both sides hurl slander at each other into perpetuity, with nobody’s mind being changed. That’s where I have been trying to change the game, and I have probably overplayed my hand to the point of failure now. But to give you a scenario, many in my family are far right to borderline extreme right. If they were to parrot their point, and someone like OCD were to come along and call them out for it, he would be summarily dismissed as “just another lib.” However, when I try to check their propaganda with my own counter-thoughts and/or objectivity and empathy to the other side, I will receive a visceral reaction, oftentimes, but you can tell that the wheels in the brain are still turning and there is at least some thought process going on in their brains, vs 100% anger and dismissal. One example of that was on this board when that Columbus cop shot that young woman who was about to stab someone else. The OP in that thread was rather liberal-minded. If he had only been called out by those on the board with a conservative mindset, it would have gone nowhere. However, he was called out by another poster who has a rather progressive mindset. While it didn’t receive an “Oh, I’m wrong” reaction, I think it led to a much better conclusion than the prior example.

That is why I believe it has become so important for us to check ourselves and our own thought processes, and those who typically align with ourselves, vs trying to call out BS that we see from “the other side.” If anything, when it comes to the other side, I try to find people who differ from me, but have taken a rational listening approach so that we can share ideas and grow, as was the original intention. That has become harder and harder to do today, but it’s not completely lost yet, and still even happens on this board from time to time.

I think a lot of this fuels my advocacy on here lately.

What was that bs? Lol

Can we just agree that this attempted murder was probably 99% politically motivated and fueled by trump team crazy? Geez, This was a brutal horrible attack and all we get is constant lies and conspiracy theories from trump, causing even more violence.

It seems as if it was a combination of trump's election denial and Q Anon conspiracy theories. You know, those freedom of expression ideas that should be pumped out over social media unchecked because what the hell, it doesn't hurt anybody, right?

Is he mentally ill? Of course he is. That's why you don't feed them this kind of thing to digest and motivate them. But then if it's only the mentally ill who react to these election lies that wouldn't explain Jan. 6th now would it?

This is why we need a minimum training requirement for speech. People get hurt if you are not trained properly to talk.

Yeah, that's the problem......

Yep …people get hurt when someone falsely yells fire or bomb.

But mandatory training keeps people from abusing their rights and hurting others. It is the miracle shield.

Tell me you don't understand that false premise without telling me.

What was BS about what I said?

Wrong thread. Try to focus.

What now passes for humor with the right wing......

The compulsory reply to such deplorable behavior from the right wing is. ‘Both sides do this.”

Discussion of fundamental rights is the discussion of fundamental rights. Try to understand that and don't walk it back now.

Some people put their head in the sand and only claim the other side does it. That's the deplorable bit.

Yep discuss everything but the topic. The GOPer way.

I am registered as a democrat.

See above post.

Lol so? You have my condolences. Try and stay on topic.

And trying to compare what both sides are doing as being the same thing is nothing more than a bait and switch con game. This thread is about the Pelosi attack, not about "fundamental rights". Unless of course you're trying to indicate that committing multiple felonies is a fundamental right.

I guess he thinks lying on his voter registration holds some meaning.

You've indicated we should have mandatory training on rights so people aren't irresponsible and hurt other people during the excersise of a right. The right to keep and bear arms is no less a fundamental right as the freedom of speech. You believe burdening a right for "public safety" is "common sense". Don't waffle and back track on that now.

If you had actually been paying attention, you would realize that we would agree regarding the motivations of the attacker in this case. My post was a substantive response that I had promised to FATE earlier regarding a back-and-forth that we had, speaking in terms of generalities, and not particularly on this very issue.

Your post, in turn, is in line with your stance to unabashedly troll other people while bringing zero substance whatsoever to any of these threads. I seriously can't remember the last time you posted something that wasn't just for the sake of bashing another poster, troll in general, or trying to pwn the other side. This is where a lot on the Liberal side fail, which, honestly, is where people like FATE are making valid points. To act like you have moral high ground and are not a part of the political problem in this country is by and large a huge problem in the greater political dynamic. Unfortunately, as was my point in that greater discussion, this poor conduct on your part is hidden by the fact that the problems on the far right are the squeaky wheel, and deservedly so, to be fair. That poor conduct on their part, however, isn’t an excuse or a validation for those who disagree to devolve in their own conduct.

If, at any point, you want to actually contribute something of substantive value to any of these threads, beside your catharsis of trolling Conservatives, feel free. I’d welcome it.

Until then, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Ok you want to carry on a conversation with Fate here that has nothing to do with the topic? Start a pm with FATE then. Instead you’re here grandstanding in a thread I created. And you call me the troll. Pffft


I’m betting there’s a certain % of the GOP who believes Pelosi got exactly what he deserved and secretly wish it was Nancy instead.