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If this doesn't solidify it, Stefanski is one of the worst head coaches in the league. This was the product after a bye week.

This summarizes Stefanski as a head coach. The Browns had a 3rd and 1 in the first half and were trailing. The Dolphins were selling out to stop the run. I mean they were not concerned about the pass at all. Stefanksi puts Brissett in the shotgun with Hunt next to him. The entire world, including the Dolphins, knew it was going to Hunt. Tackled for two yard loss. Stefanski now goes for it on 4th and 3. A much harder proposition. So you start a 3rd and 1 three yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of just sneaking Brissett.

That's your head coach folks.

The most important decision the Haslams will make as the owners is coming up. Do you trust Stefanski with Watson? If you have any doubt you have to move on. If this goes bad next year then you are starting over with Watson and a brand new offense the following season.

It's amazing how bad Stefanski is.

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"We've gotta get better"


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I expect Woods will be fired at the end of the season. Ski will get another year with Watson.


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Why no two back formations ?

Chubb Hunt

Chubb Ford

Hunt Ford

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Originally Posted by DaveyD
"We've gotta get better"

My favorite Stefanski post game presser was from a few weeks ago. After yet another loss, he looks shell shocked and laments how disappointed he is for the players after how hard they worked during the week. LOL ... that's something a loser says. All teams work hard. That was the nail in the coffin for me. For some it will be today's game. And yet for others they will still think he's a good coach after today.

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Originally Posted by EveDawg
I expect Woods will be fired at the end of the season. Ski will get another year with Watson.

Woods has to go tonight.

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Andrew Berry has failed to construct a NFL playoff caliber offense
Or defense for that matter

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Originally Posted by DeisleDawg
Why no two back formations ?

Chubb Hunt

Chubb Ford

Hunt Ford

You can't run 2 backs at the same time in this Era.
For one, none of those backs can play FB.
Number 2...the misdirection play to the RB is all but extinct
Number 3, the Browns don't run a single wing or wishbone
Backfield

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Originally Posted by Rishuz
If this doesn't solidify it, Stefanski is one of the worst head coaches in the league. This was the product after a bye week.

This summarizes Stefanski as a head coach. The Browns had a 3rd and 1 in the first half and were trailing. The Dolphins were selling out to stop the run. I mean they were not concerned about the pass at all. Stefanksi puts Brissett in the shotgun with Hunt next to him. The entire world, including the Dolphins, knew it was going to Hunt. Tackled for two yard loss. Stefanski now goes for it on 4th and 3. A much harder proposition. So you start a 3rd and 1 three yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of just sneaking Brissett.

That's your head coach folks.

The most important decision the Haslams will make as the owners is coming up. Do you trust Stefanski with Watson? If you have any doubt you have to move on. If this goes bad next year then you are starting over with Watson and a brand new offense the following season.

It's amazing how bad Stefanski is.

Apart from bad decision making then his biggest flaw the poor leadership. As soon as things go south then the team is falling apart and then you know what’s missing.

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Maybe Eotab can do another what I saw thread in case
Some missed that can of whoop Azz the Fins unleashed

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The team has no leadership, either from the coaching staff or the players.

Some of the players like Brissett provide leadership, but they need it from their best players. Outside of Chubb and Bitonio, who are quiet leaders, they are really devoid of leadership.

I keep being told by fellow Browns fans and the NFL universe how awesome Garrett is. He was a first overall pick. He's made the playoffs once in 6 years and caused one of the most boneheaded plays in NLF history.

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- The Browns had two weeks to prepare for this game and that is the performance they put on the field. Completely embarrassing.

- The losing culture has not gone away.

- Saw a team that looked disinterested.

- Defense has a bunch of overpaid guys that do not make plays. Defense needs to replace a lot of players and the Browns do not have any 1st round picks to do so.

- Watson will not fix what is wrong with this team.

- The Browns got manhandled in the trenches today.

- Pharaoh Brown had more targets than Amari Cooper.

- Gameball to Anthony Schwartz for catching the football.

- Another season wasted.

- The Browns is the Browns.

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I wish the fan base of this pathetic franchise would send a message to this team that we aren’t cool with this bull$hit.

This team has embarrassed us over and over again. I just don’t understand the loyalty.

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I'll also add that we never had as much talent as we did under Dorsey. He truly prioritized winning and made moves to put the Browns in the best position to succeed. But he didn't get along with Depo, which I believe lead to the hiring of Kitchens. It was an anti-Depo move who was opposed to the hire and wanted Stefanski instead.

Where I'm going with this is Depo might be the biggest issue with the franchise. Not because of analytics. But they may just listen to him too much. If Depo wasn't here, we'd still have Dorsey who would understand simple things like defensive tackles are important.

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Where's all the Homer's that predicted the Browns being a playoff
Team thus year?

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Opinion:

If a team was playoff caliber on both sides of the ball and lost their QB then we could possibly expect them to be .500 or slightly better with a competent backup. In essence this is what we were led to believe. Brissett would be a competent placeholder until Watson. Now, I don’t fault Brissett but I do fault the FO and the coaches. The only thing I can see is that the coaches are not good and/or the players in the aggregate are not good which is on the FO.

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I look forward to hearing how the team is frustrated, has to get better in all phases of the game, but still has eight more opportunities.

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Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Where's all the Homer's that predicted the Browns being a playoff
Team thus year?

No one really predicted that. The issue now is do we have a good head coach and coaching staff.

There is losing, then there is losing like the Browns lost today. That's poor coaching. That's disinterest from the players. That's uninspiring play. That's what they think of their head coach.

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Originally Posted by Bird
Opinion:

If a team was playoff caliber on both sides of the ball and lost their QB then we could possibly expect them to be .500 or slightly better with a competent backup. In essence this is what we were led to believe. Brissett would be a competent placeholder until Watson. Now, I don’t fault Brissett but I do fault the FO and the coaches. The only thing I can see is that the coaches are not good and/or the players in the aggregate are not good which is on the FO.


Stefanski is clearly in over his head. That is bordering on undebatable at this point.

Berry didn't do him too many favors either. They are both young and inexperienced and failing miserably at the moment.

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Thoughts.....you probably don't want to read them. You know it's not good when you don't get overly upset at our ineptness.


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Well, we have two more games with JB at the helm and then we will have our new QB playing. At least it's something to look forward to, and I for one do.

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Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Originally Posted by DeisleDawg
Why no two back formations ?

Chubb Hunt

Chubb Ford

Hunt Ford

You can't run 2 backs at the same time in this Era.
For one, none of those backs can play FB.
Number 2...the misdirection play to the RB is all but extinct
Number 3, the Browns don't run a single wing or wishbone
Backfield

The Panthers game, the Browns first TD

Hunt lined up as a fullback in an "I formation" from the 1-yard line in front of Chubb and behind Brissett at the line of scrimmage.

Brissett faked a handoff to Chubb while Hunt dashed to the right

The Panthers were all focused on Chubb,

Allowing Brissett to make an easy pass to Hunt for the TD.

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The leadership on this team is so weak. From the coaches to the players. Anyone still defending this coaching staff is just trying to save face.

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Originally Posted by DeisleDawg
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Originally Posted by DeisleDawg
Why no two back formations ?

Chubb Hunt

Chubb Ford

Hunt Ford

You can't run 2 backs at the same time in this Era.
For one, none of those backs can play FB.
Number 2...the misdirection play to the RB is all but extinct
Number 3, the Browns don't run a single wing or wishbone
Backfield

The Panthers game, the Browns first TD

Hunt lined up as a fullback in an "I formation" from the 1-yard line in front of Chubb and behind Brissett at the line of scrimmage.

Brissett faked a handoff to Chubb while Hunt dashed to the right

The Panthers were all focused on Chubb,

Allowing Brissett to make an easy pass to Hunt for the TD.
Just because it works once doesn't mean it can be used
As a feature formation in the playbook. Running Chubb and Hunt
In the backfield together is more gimmicky than anything
It's a WR driven league not a RB driven league.

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Watching the Bills, Vikings and now the Dolphins, the Browns are not even close to their levels. Browns will lose to the Bills by 21 next week.


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The Browns are a RB driven team

do whats best for the team

Not the league

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Originally Posted by JulesDawg
The leadership on this team is so weak. From the coaches to the players. Anyone still defending this coaching staff is just trying to save face.

I'd argue it starts with the Haslams. The Haslams are losers. They hire losers. The Browns draft losers. The players perform on the field like losers.

That's the Browns culture.

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Originally Posted by DaveyD
Watching the Bills, Vikings and now the Dolphins, the Browns are not even close to their levels. Browns will lose to the Bills by 21 next week.


The Bills were about to give up a TD in OT but the defense kept fighting, didn't give up, and forced a FG.

The Browns would have hung their heads, slumped their shoulders, saw the idiot son-in-law on the sideline, and realized what's the point. They know their organization is a clown show.

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I put this game on Woods and ALL the defensive players. They are soft. They never follow up a good game with another. Now we wait for Watson, but, he can't play defense. Another lost season. There are no leaders in this locker room. Just complacent players who don't care enough.


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Hunt can play the FB role but apparently the NFL has made it illegal for Chubb and Hunt to be on thr filed at the same time.


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Originally Posted by Milk Man
Originally Posted by JulesDawg
The leadership on this team is so weak. From the coaches to the players. Anyone still defending this coaching staff is just trying to save face.

I'd argue it starts with the Haslams. The Haslams are losers. They hire losers. The Browns draft losers. The players perform on the field like losers.

That's the Browns culture.


This times infinity.

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Originally Posted by DeisleDawg
The Browns are a RB driven team

do whats best for the team

Not the league
Sorry you can't get to the playoffs trying to ground and pound
With 2 RBs...how has that worked since KS took over?
Only 1 RB can touch the football.
At least when your offense is pass 1st , you can have multiple
Options downfield.

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Originally Posted by Milk Man

I am so sick of the same BS phrases after every loss.


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Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c...

Lol.


\DPOY? Dude is good, but he is no leader. This team never plays like they want it.


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