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j/c...

I'd imagine they'll try and sign Dobbs back to the practice squad if/when he clears waivers.


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Mond must be making some strides


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Mond must be making some strides


Perhaps ... but the fact is that we have him on a relatively cheap rookie contract for the next two seasons, and Dobbs and Brissett will be Veteran FAs' after this season.

I would say that Mond would have had to show enough to determine that he is worthy of a very important roster spot going forward.


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They must really like Mond.

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I'd imagine they'll try and sign Dobbs back to the practice squad if/when he clears waivers.


This doesn't help the football team. Jacoby will be gone next year. He has a 1-year contract that is good for $4.5 million. He'll get more somewhere else and have the opportunity to compete for a starting job. Do we really want to go into the season w/Mond as our backup qb?


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I'd imagine they'll try and sign Dobbs back to the practice squad if/when he clears waivers.


This doesn't help the football team. Jacoby will be gone next year. He has a 1-year contract that is good for $4.5 million. He'll get more somewhere else and have the opportunity to compete for a starting job. Do we really want to go into the season w/Mond as our backup qb?
Waiving this "production" also doesn't hurt the team. He's a 3rd/4th string QB after 5 years in the league, not a significant loss if another team picks him up.

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I’d suspect Dobbs to be back


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Why put the word production in quotation marks? I did not mention a thing about production.

Look, this isn't a huge deal, but I'd rather have Dobbs on the team than Mond. JMO.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Why put the word production in quotation marks? I did not mention a thing about production.

Look, this isn't a huge deal, but I'd rather have Dobbs on the team than Mond. JMO.

Why? Do you think he is really any better than the other 3rd/4th string guy? Does he have more upside? Does he fit the scheme better?

I liked what little I saw in preseason out of Dobbs, but he didn't do anything to move up the ranks then, and I am not sure there is much separating the two. I would be interested to understand what the FO's thought process was in this, more out of curiosity than loyalty to a 3rd/4th QB.

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It's just my opinion, but I would trust him more than Mond to be Watson's backup next year. Also, Dobbs is incredibly intelligent. Big Ben spent more time talking to him than his OC in Pittsburgh when the two were together.

Again, not a huge deal..........but, I don't see how Mond is a better backup than Dobbs.

I'll drop it now.


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Why put the word production in quotation marks? I did not mention a thing about production.

Look, this isn't a huge deal, but I'd rather have Dobbs on the team than Mond. JMO.
I never said you mentioned production. I put it in quotes as an ironic use since his stats, what very little there are, are technically production-based.

I agree, it's not a huge deal. I was simply pointing out that his being waived didn't help nor hurt the team.

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Personally, I hope Brissett is still our backup next year. But if he is gone, I'm good with Dobbs from the few glimpses we've had, but he is third-string for a reason, so just get us the best backup available.

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Yeah, Brissett I being our backup next year is a dream, but we all know that probably won’t happen. I think he’s earned the shot at a starting job


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Yeah, Brissett I being our backup next year is a dream, but we all know that probably won’t happen. I think he’s earned the shot at a starting job

But yer saying there's still a chance? laugh

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Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Yeah, Brissett I being our backup next year is a dream, but we all know that probably won’t happen. I think he’s earned the shot at a starting job

But yer saying there's still a chance? laugh
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I want to keep Jacoby, but he's earned the right to start for another team. Here is one thing to consider..............Will Jacoby play anywhere near as good as he has this year w/out Stefanski? I know there are a group of folks on here who trash Stefanski all the time, but the guy is a very good coach w/a QB friendly scheme. He is also a great play caller. JB never played close to this good in any of his other stops.


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Factual QB Comparison after 11 games played

__QB____________Comp___Att____Comp %____yards____YGA____TD___INT___TD/INT Ratio____QB Rate____Sacks____Fumbles____W_____L_____T____PCT
Brissett____________236___368____64.1%_____2608____7.087___12____6_______2.00________95.65_______24________6_______4_____7_____0____0.364
Mayfield 2021_______176___271____64.9%_____2166____7.993___10____6_______1.67_______101.44_______27________5_______6_____5_____0____0.545 (injured for 9 of 11 games)
Mayfield 2020_______180___294____61.2%_____2108____7.170___17____7_______2.43_______101.86_______17________3_______8_____3_____0____0.727

The number do not lie, as good as Brissett performed this year - his stats are no better than an injured Baker performance - in fact worse in many areas.

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PFF GRADES THROUGH 11-weeks

TOTAL OFFENSIVE GRADES:
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Chubb - RB - 90.1 - 2nd of 63 - Georgia - 2018
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
Bitonio - G - 86.1 - 2nd of 84 - Nevada - 2014
___________________________________5 players performing at Starter Level 84-70
Pocic - C - 83.0 - 3rd of 39 - LSU - 2017 (Injured - placed on IR)
Brissett - QB - 82.5 - 9th of 39 - NC State - 2016
Njoku - TE - 81.4 - 2nd of 71 - Miami, FL - 2017
Cooper - WR - 78.8 - 15th of 120 - Alabama - 2016
Teller - G - 75.4 - 8th of 84 - Virginia Tech - 2018
___________________________________12 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
DPJ - WR - 69.2 - 48th of 120 - Michigan - 2020
Conklin - OT - 66.4 - 44th of 76 - Michigan St - 2016
Hunt - RB - 66.4 - 43rd of 63 - Toledo - 2017
Wills - OT - 66.3 - 45th of 76 - Alabama - 2020
Johnson - RB - 65.9 - NR - South Florida - 2019
Froholdt - G - 65.8 - 26th of 84 - Arkansas - 2019
Forbes - G - 64.7 - NR - SE Missouri St - 2019
Hubbard - T - 63.9 - NR - UAB - 2013
Dunn - OT - 61.1 - NR - Maryland - 2017
York - K - 60.6 - 31st of 44 - LSU - 2022
Forristall - TE - 60.1 - NR - Alabama - 2021
Haeg - OT - 60.0 - NR - N Dakota St - 2016
___________________________________10 players currently performing at Replaceable Level 59-0
Bryant - TE - 58.9 - 40th of 71 - Florida Atlantic - 2020
Brown - TE - 56.6 - 53rd of 71 - Oregon - 2017
Felton - WR - 56.1 - NR - UCLA - 2021
Woods II - WR - 55.7 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Mancz - C - 55.1 - NR - Toledo - 2015
Bell - WR - 55.0 - 109th of 120 - Purdue - 2022
Hudson - OT - 54.9 - NR - Cincinnati - 2021
Schwartz - WR - 51.4 - NR - Auburn - 2021
James - TE - 42.2 - NR - Penn St - 2015
Rogers - WR - 00.0 - NR - Grambling St - 2016


TOTAL DEFENSIVE GRADE
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Garrett - Edge - 92.4 - 1st of 119 - Texas A&M - 2017
___________________________________0 players currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
___________________________________4 players currently performing at Starter Level 84-70
Walker - LB - 82.7 - NR - Northwestern - 2017 (injured, out for season)
Emerson - CB - 73.2 - 20th of 121 - Mississippi St - 2022
Graham - CB - 70.7 - NR - Oregon - 2021
Bojorquez - P - 70.1 - 16th of 32 - New Mexico - 2018
___________________________________8 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
Clowney - Edge - 69.4 - 42nd of 119 - South Carolina - 2014
JOK - LB - 69.0 - 28th of 83 - Notre Dame - 2021
Takitaki - LB - 66.6 - 34th of 83 - BYU - 2019
Stille - DT - 65.2 - NR - Nebraska - 2022
D. Bell - S - 64.5 - NR - West Florida Argonauts - 2022
Kunaszyk - LB - 63.1 - NR - California - 2019
Newsome - CB - 62.1 - 59th of 121 - Northwestern - 2021
Johnson - S - 60.2 - 61st of 88 - Boston Coll - 2017
___________________________________17 players currently performing Replaceable Level 59-0
Thomas - Edge - 57.3 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Williams - CB - 56.2 - NR - LSU - 2019
Delpit - S - 55.9 - 68th of 88 - LSU - 2020
Rochell - Edge - 52.9 - NR - Notre Dame - 2017 (Waived 11/12)
Perry - DT - 52.4 - NR - Illinois - 2022 (Waived 11/14)
Winovich - Edge - 50.8 - NR - Michigan - 2019
Fields -- LB - 50.0 - NR - West Virginia - 2021
Green - CB - 48.7 - NR - Oklahoma St - 2020
Bryan - DT - 46.7 - 100th of 125 - Florida - 2018
Ward - CB - 46.2 - 112th of 121 - Ohio St - 2018
Winfrey - DT - 45.4 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Harrison - S - 45.3 - NR - Alabama - 2018
Phillips - LB - 36.7 - 78th of 83 - LSU - 2020 (injured, out for season)
Wright - Edge - 35.8 - 119th of 119 - UAB - 2022
Jones - LB - 33.7 - NR - LSU - 2016
Elliott - DT - 32.3 - 120th of 125 - Missouri - 2020
Togiai - DT - 30.4 - 122nd of 125 - Ohio St - 2021


NR = Not Ranked due to not having snap minimum

SCALE:
100 - 90 = Elite level of play
85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play
84-70 = Starter level of play
69-60 = Backup level of play
59-0 = Replaceable level of play

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I'm guessing Chubb is not done. Jim Brown retired rather early so his numbers are reachable. But it will depend on Chubb's longevity.


How does a league celebrating its 100th season only recognize the 53 most recent championships?

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100 - 90 = Elite level of play
85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play
84-70 = Starter level of play
69-60 = Backup level of play
59-0 = Replaceable level of play

I can't find the above to be any formal scale/legend/key/whatever PFF uses to categorize their player grades. Can you show me where you found this on their website (if there is a nonsubscriber explanation)?

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Here’s how PFF works, the company grades each player on every play from a scale of negative two to two in 0.5 increments. Here’s how the company defines the benefits of their grading system.

“Taking every play into consideration allows for a larger sample size of data to tell the proper story rather than just a highlight reel of plays that we tend to remember, for better or worse. We also work to eliminate bias by not caring about the level of player who is being graded, so whether it’s the best tackle in the league missing a block or one of the worst, the same grade is given. Preconceived level of ability has no impact on the grading system. This style has worked well in unlocking undervalued gems through the years, while also not being swayed by player hype if it is undeserved.”

Each game players are graded on a scale from 1-100. 90-100 represents an elite grade, 85-89 represents an all-conference player, 70-84 is starter quality, 60-69 is backup quality and everything under 60 is replaceable.

https://dfshub.com/pro-football-focus-pff-player-grades/

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Wonder if steve will post Baker Mayfield's PFF score? He brings him up on every other thread.


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Originally Posted by steve0255
Here’s how PFF works, the company grades each player on every play from a scale of negative two to two in 0.5 increments. Here’s how the company defines the benefits of their grading system.

“Taking every play into consideration allows for a larger sample size of data to tell the proper story rather than just a highlight reel of plays that we tend to remember, for better or worse. We also work to eliminate bias by not caring about the level of player who is being graded, so whether it’s the best tackle in the league missing a block or one of the worst, the same grade is given. Preconceived level of ability has no impact on the grading system. This style has worked well in unlocking undervalued gems through the years, while also not being swayed by player hype if it is undeserved.”

Each game players are graded on a scale from 1-100. 90-100 represents an elite grade, 85-89 represents an all-conference player, 70-84 is starter quality, 60-69 is backup quality and everything under 60 is replaceable.

https://dfshub.com/pro-football-focus-pff-player-grades/

I'm well aware how PFF grades a player for each play. I was one of the first, if not the first person here, regularly posting PFF grades on players as it related to the performance of Browns' players. Oddly enough, it was often dismissed but now it is common place. Funny how that works.

But this doesn't address my question re: the scale. This page isn't from PFF, it's from a daily fantasy sports site. And the source it refers to is not an active link. It seems at one point it might have come from this page or a variations of it: https://www.pff.com/grades

But nowhere does it reference this grading scale. I'm not sure they are using that.....they certainly aren't showcasing it on the page that has everything else.

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A few people have tried to talk about the grading system and mentioned that comparing a player's grades to other players who play the same position is a better indicator than the grades steve keeps selling us.

For example, Tommy Togiai is 122nd out of 125 ranked DTs. Jordan Elliot is 120th. That's bad.

Bitonio is 2nd out of 84 ranked guards and Teller is 8th. That's good.

Jacoby is 9th out of 39 ranked QBs. That's pretty good. Baker is ranked 37th. That's really bad.


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Who"s doing the grading for PFF?

Does PFF require prior experience..?

Answer these two questions honestly and you will have an idea if PFF grades are legit or NOT.




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Baker ain’t here no mo’. The comparison thread is locked and no one cares.

Edit: when I re-read that, it looked belligerent. Not my intention. The Browns have a new starter with DW, hopefully a franchise player, Baker is not doing well in Carolina. We need to let it go.

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Who"s doing the grading for PFF?

Does PFF require prior experience..?

Answer these two questions honestly and you will have an idea if PFF grades are legit or NOT.

Do your own homework.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Wonder if steve will post Baker Mayfield's PFF score? He brings him up on every other thread.

Unlike you Vers, I'm trying to talk about Browns football with true Browns fans and the direction our team is going. Baker gets mentioned here because he's in every one of your posts and living in your head. Even though he's gone, and people try to move on, you continue to spew your hate for a guy that has zero bearing on the 2022 results. The Browns PFF Grades should be scrutinized because the TEAM is 4-7 and was performing better last year at this time (through 11 games @ 6-5) with an injured Baker as QB than without Baker in 2022 (through 11 games @ 4-7). IMHO, it doesn't matter if Brissett was performing at the level of Mahomes (which he is not), the TEAM is 4-7 and has way deeper issues than a player that's not on the team anymore with no clear explanation as to why they have regressed every year Stefanski has been here. So, if you want to see Mayfield's PFF score for this year - you go look it up. The rest of us will try to figure out how a team with this much talent only has more wins than 4 other teams in the entire NFL because that's the real issue!

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They must really like Mond.
I remember when people would say like things about Jordan Elliott, results be whatevered.


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The Browns are in I2th in the AFC. but what about the mythical super division.
The mythical super division includes teamz that used to be in the div. with the Browns or that had Cleveland in their name-ish i.e the Ramz.

that would have standings of,
the Ravens,
The Bengals
the Titans
the Jaguars
the Browns
The steelers
the Rams and then
the Texans

The Jaguarz 4 winz all came vz. the AFC zo they have a tie breaker of AFC record against the Brownz, The Brownz have a head to head win over the steelers for that tie breaker to date.
The Bengalz beat the titanz
the Ravenz beat the Bengalz, and I don't know why she swallowed the fly I guezz she'll die.
and
the Ramz and Texanz have lezz than 4 winz.

the Titanz are in first place in their actual division zo they could perhaps be ahead of the Bengalz but either way the Brownz are in 5th out of 8 in the mythical super division.


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Jim Brown's records from the browns site: Brown owns team records for most combined net yards (15,459), career rushing yards (12,312), most points in one season (126), career TDs (126), rushing TDs (106), most consecutive games scoring a TD (10) and most 1,000 yard seasons (seven).

How many of those records can Chubb break in Cleveland? I wouldn't mind him sending old Jim into relative obscurity.


Chubb got almost 7,000 career yards... and 6,000 rushing... so if he stays healthy he could get those records..

126 points in a season is 21 TDs... he's got 12 this season, but don't think he'll ever touch 21... that's insane...

Career TDs.. Chubb is at 48 rushing, 51 overall... so long way to go to reach 106 and 126...

Not sure on consecutive games scoring a TD

He's at 4 seasons of 1,000 yards... if he stays healthy he should be able to meet or break that one


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
A few people have tried to talk about the grading system and mentioned that comparing a player's grades to other players who play the same position is a better indicator than the grades steve keeps selling us.

For example, Tommy Togiai is 122nd out of 125 ranked DTs. Jordan Elliot is 120th. That's bad.

Bitonio is 2nd out of 84 ranked guards and Teller is 8th. That's good.

Jacoby is 9th out of 39 ranked QBs. That's pretty good. Baker is ranked 37th. That's really bad.

Just a question for the complaint specialist. The PFF grades I have been posting each week have clearly showed every single time the players grade compared to other players at the same position. I'm not selling anything, the EXACT items you are detailing as being a "better indicator" has been in every single PFF Grade post I have made on this forum. So, what the hell is your problem? I'm also intrigued by the fact that you again made it your mission to spew your hatred agenda and personal attacks by bringing up Mayfield for a post that is only directed at the players performance level of our 4-7 Browns. So sad that you make such a fool out of yourself daily in this forum with your continued hatred and personal attacks.

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Originally Posted by lampdogg
Baker ain’t here no mo’. The comparison thread is locked and no one cares.

Edit: when I re-read that, it looked belligerent. Not my intention. The Browns have a new starter with DW, hopefully a franchise player, Baker is not doing well in Carolina. We need to let it go.

You replied to me, but steve was the one who brought Baker back into the conversation. He posted the Baker vs Jacoby comparison stats. He also posted about Baker in the Stefanski and Watson threads yesterday. He tried to turn the Woods thread into a Baker thread awhile back. Those guys freak out if I talk about Baker, but they keep bringing him up. They just want the conversation regarding Baker on their terms. Hell, he even gets talked about by The Fabulous Baker Boys in Post Game threads. LOL

I'll take a shot off of a rebound when I like if they continue to try to paint a false narrative.

Edit: If you were really talking to steve instead of me and only clicked on my name because I am the OP, I truly apologize. I noticed you did mention the "comparison" angle.

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Originally Posted by mac
Who"s doing the grading for PFF?

Does PFF require prior experience..?

Answer these two questions honestly and you will have an idea if PFF grades are legit or NOT.



From the link Steve provided above...the answer that many might not be aware of below...


WHO IS DOING THE GRADING?

...PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays.

...Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of “senior analysts” in charge of finalizing each grade after review.

...Our graders have been training for months, and sometimes years, in order to learn, understand and show mastery of our process that includes our 300-page training manual and video playbook.

...We have analysts from all walks of life, including former players, coaches and scouts.

...We don’t care if you played.


Only 60 of the 600 analysts are trained well enough to grade plays. Put another way, 540 of the 600 PFF analysts are not qualified to grade plays.
...seems to me that PFF has a vast majority of their analysts who have questionable qualifications and their involvement in the PFF process is an unknown. Based on this information, how much should anyone rely the information that PFF produces..?

Then there is the task of reviewing "every play" by "every player" who participates in an NFL game. The sheer number of plays being analyzed by "less than fully qualified analysts" is a concern when judging the "accuracy of PFF's product".

22 players on the field on each play...times the number of plays in a game...times the number of games played each week...and PFF has something like 60 analysts qualified to make a judgement on each player's on the field performance each week.

Forgive me if I fail to rely on PFF's ability to provide accurate analysis for any individual player's performance in a given week. PFF simply doesn't have enough qualified analysts to provide reliable information...imo.

*all numbers used are approximate...

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Originally Posted by mac
Who"s doing the grading for PFF?

Does PFF require prior experience..?

Answer these two questions honestly and you will have an idea if PFF grades are legit or NOT.

I'd love to get your 'honest' answer since you seem to know.

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Mac, I won't disagree with your opinion. The PFF Grade scale is one of the tools that we have that allows us to see inside as to how the players are performing. No system is perfect by any stretch of the imagination when dissecting game performance. I started posting the PFF Grades because there were individuals that were raving about how well some of our players were doing according to the PFF Scale. I agree that those players should be recognized. However, when the team is losing even with that stellar play, there has to be a statistical reason for why that is happening. If we as fans are going to recognize players for stellar play within that scale, shouldn't those players who are not performing be called out too?

The Browns are 4-7 with only 4 teams currently sporting less wins than our Browns. The Browns (at the time of the quoted posts) have the top offensive and top defensive player in the NFL on their roster but still are posting a losing record - I would think or hope that people would be interested in what players are not playing up to expectations and we can have spirited conversations - Pure Football - about what we feel needs to be done to right the ship. Considering that the team is sitting at 4-7 and the number of players performing at the replaceable level, I would tend to lean more toward the accuracy of the PFF Grades than not because there has to be a performance reason for our team sitting at a dismal 4-7 record. Thanks for the professional response.

Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Browns land 3 on PFF's midseason All-Pro Team

Cory Kinnan
November 11, 2022 9:45 am ET

We are at the midway point of the 2022 season, and publications are beginning to release midseason awards based on performances in the first half of the season. We did it here at Browns Wire, and now PFF has released their midseason All-Pro team as well. And the Cleveland Browns landed three players on their First Team All-Pro squad at this point in the season.

The three players on the list are entirely predictable too as they have been mainstays on the Browns for half of a decade. Let’s take a look at those players, what PFF said about them, and where they stack up against their colleagues around the NFL.

RB Nick Chubb

The best running back on the planet according to Tennessee Titans Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb lands as the First-Team running back on PFF’s list as well. Already at double-digit touchdowns and just 29 yards behind Henry for the league lead in yards, Chubb is going to hit career-high marks across the board.

On pace for new marks in carries, yards, and touchdowns, Chubb has been the catalyst for the Cleveland offense. Do not expect that to slow down as the Browns face a crucial three-game span up next on their schedule. Chubb currently sits with a 91.1 PFF grade.

DE Myles Garrett

Myles Garrett is PFF’s highest-graded player in the entire NFL at this point in the season. And fans of this football team have the audacity week in and week out to question whether or not he is making an impact on the field for the Browns.

In just seven games, Garrett has racked up 7.5 sacks, is back in the race for Defensive Player of the Year, and is single-handily carrying a defensive line otherwise full of tree stumps. He sits with a PFF grade of 94.4 through the midway point of the season.

They will need another excellent showing from Garrett to slow down the potent offense of the Miami Dolphins.

OG Joel Bitonio

Garrett is not the only highest-graded player according to PFF. Guard Joel Bitonio is also PFF’s highest-graded offensive player in the NFL as well, landing him on their First-Team All-Pro list. Tied with long snapper Charley Hughlett for the longest-tenured member of the Browns, Bitonio has been a consistent threat every single year of his NFL career.

This season has been more of the same for Bitonio, grading out with an elite 91.3 grade according to PFF. With Wyatt Teller potentially returning to the field this week, the Browns may get their guard-ians back in full force against the Dolphins this week.

Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
With all the PFF talk going on today, I looked at the QB grades.

Jacoby fell down to 10th overall out of 36 graded qbs. Baker did not play, but remains last on the list.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Wonder if steve will post Baker Mayfield's PFF score? He brings him up on every other thread.

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A deflection of your own behavior.


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