DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus I thought dems said our border was secure.

Don't worry arch, as soon as Texas and those other pesky border states finally get good Dem leadership, we'll ship those immigrants to GOPer neighborhoods like yours.

I'd love to have legal immigrants here. The illegal ones? Not so much. Send the legal ones here. We'll ship the illegals to your front yard.

Dems don't want illegals either; that's why they get registered and go into the system pending immigration court rulings on their case. THOSE ARE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AT THAT POINT. America accepts people at its borders seeking asylum/refuge from whatever they are trying to escape. Protected by OUR laws. And they get a hearing to determine their qualifications and status as legal or rather they are to be deported back to their country of origin or dumped in Mexico.

So let everybody in and sort them out later? Does that seem like a reasonable approach? Should anybody be expected to have some kind of documentation as to where they're from, or just a story that they don't feel safe is enough? At what point is it not enough?

2.4 million have crossed the border this year. At what point is there a problem? 5 million? 20 million?

Good thing rump built that wall to solve the problem. Another campaign promise delivered!
Hey did you fill out your one card tax return yet?
I bet he is angry with all this anti LGBTQ stuff seeing how he said he was going to defend their rights.

Yeah, happened to the wall Mexico payed for?

That seriously is the dem plan.

Karine Jean-Pierre claims that the Biden administration has "a plan in place".

When pressed for the "plan", Biden says he has more important things to worry about.

I guess if you stay tuned to liberal media, you can just ignore the fact that there are convoys of busses bringing people to the border and miles-long lines of the 'oppressed' entering the country.

"Nothing to see here, folks!"

I love the excuses. Hell, Mexico let's them go through the country, but won't take them back? Expects the U.S. to deal with them? I'd give them a choice: walk your ass back and do it right, or show up at ocd's place and have him feed and clothe you. OR, just don't come until you have your papers in order.

If Mexico won't accept you, and other countries on your way here won't..........why should we?

Nope. A reasonable approach would be to assign these cases to every qualified judge in the country and have them processed via something like zoom AS THEY ARRIVE. But that would require a little computer infrastructure and some investment in our immigration policy. GOPers block any kind of spending at the border that's not a wall or rapid deportation program. You are being lied to. Letting them in and turning them loose into the country for a court date months, if not years, away is nuts. But it is also the law and long-held tradition of the country to accept immigrants seeking asylum. It's 100% legal and the right thing to do. But our current system is stupid af.

If we spread the workload and maybe set aside a couple of hours a day to do it, the backlog would clear in no time, and the next thousand-person caravan wouldn't be an issue. I also think an international ID database would be super useful for the screening process. Would be great to take a print and see their criminal history instantly. That will never happen in today's world but it would be something worth working toward making happen.

You've mentioned that we allow those seeking asylum in.. but the majority of illegals crossing the border do not qualify for asylum... I read that Texans paid around $800m to support illegal aliens in Texas in 2021.... that's a lot of money that could be spent on US citizens...

I don't know what the answer is... but I know the system is broken...

There are two issues politically here, IMO. Our laws require they be let in when claiming asylum. This doesn't seem to be getting through to the right. And Dems need to see the issue of them using that system to get in and stay illegally. Seems all Dems want is to get them protected then the process can fall apart. That's when the few illegals that get in from the southern border and stay here illegally become an issue. HOWEVER, both sides need the true facts and a little education on the matter because there are too many political lies and too much disinformation on the subject. Most illegals are not coming across the southern border, they are here on legal visits/visas for work or personal reasons, and they overstay their visas. Both sides want secure borders and legal immigration, but we can't get out of our own way politically to get any decent reform legislation passed. We could solve all of our issues, or at least address them, if you could get both sides to work together and stop the partisan smearing long enough to do their true jobs and legislate.

Well hell, sounds more intelligent than anything I've heard from a talking head since this 'crisis' came into focus. Maybe you should run for office. I have no doubt that with your computer acumen you could get this done in a week. The infrastructure already exists as the courts shifted to video in a heartbeat during the pandemic. All you need is an algorithm to assign the cases.

That's what p*sses me off about all of this crap. All you need is some kind of reasonable stab at solutions... we have nothing but childish arguing.

As far as the previous comments about GOPers, we need fortification and rapid deportation as well. One million 'gotaways' in less than two years? Those people aren't in fear or seeking asylum; and most of those are responsible for the crime and drugs.

Good post.

I think you assume every illegal that comes across is i.d.ed and and identified. That is not the case. For every 100 that gets caught, there's probably 500 + that don't.

Do you even watch the news? These are not people coming in using roads and checking in with customs and being here in an organized and legal manner. These are people crossing the river in large, sometimes 1000 at a time, groups and trying to sneak in without dealing with with the border agents. They have no paperwork, visas, or anything.

I agree. And you should know the Dems are far from anti-deportation, especially for bad actors. But I will never send a kid back to their possible death. So I draw a line that we "must remain humane and decent in our interactions with these immigrants." That's my biggest issue, treating these people like we would want ours treated in the reverse situation. They should be treated fairly, decently, and humanely and shown at least a modicum of respect. And our immigration policy must reflect that, as well as America's exceptionalism in doing what's right over what's convenient. A lot of these immigrant stunts being pulled by the right are unnecessarily cruel to the immigrants for NOTHING but political posturing. I'll admit that I smirked the first time I heard about one of these governor's stunts purely from a look at this crap perspective (wth?). But IMHO, that is wholly unacceptable and should be punished or, at the very least, stopped immediately.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/08/mob-of-over-700-migrants-caught-crossing-us-border-into-texas/

Do you really think these people are trying to enter the country in a legal fashion?

I don't know about those numbers one way or the other, but you're probably right. And you face similar problems in coding all the time... incomplete data. Even the people coming in who may have no paperwork or IDs at all when they get here, those people don't deserve to be turned away, but how do you do your due diligence? This is why we need to elect people who actually want to work within the framework of laws and politics to do their job and legislate for difficult issues. How long has it been since meaningful immigration policy was passed? I'm not naive, arch; I just care more about ALL people in general than your typical right-winger. Yes, I can be mean and hateful (the me you usually see me as), but I'm generally kind, forgiving, and always willing to help others in need. But don't mistake that for naive or weak. Because I'm neither and would probably be harder on immigrants that come across as shady at the border than you or others on the right. I'm also the lose my trust and screw you type. If I can't trust you, I don't want a thing to do with you. But only after you've proven to be untrustworthy or seem to be and can provide nothing to make me feel or believe otherwise.

Yes, Eve, I watch several news sources and read several news outlets on a regular basis. Did you know that the Obama admin, the dem caucus under Trump, AND Biden's admin have all been in agreement to spend on more tech, equipment, and BP officers at the border, but republicans refused to negotiate a compromise that didn't include a dumbass wall that can be scaled? Just take a look at what IS being done and stop- buying into all the lies in right-wing media.



These 6 US-Mexico border projects are funded by the IIJA

The federal Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act sets aside $3.4 billion to shore up land ports of entry.

America’s southern border infrastructure is back in the spotlight, years after former President Donald Trump promised to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico to curb illegal immigration. About 458 miles of fencing and other barriers were built in various areas along the 1,933-mile border under Trump’s watch.

President Joe Biden vowed during his election campaign to stop all wall construction between the two countries, amid concerns about its cost, lack of effectiveness, environmental degradation, danger to migrants and more. However, his administration has repeatedly funded efforts to shore up existing barriers and has also built new wall structures in Texas.

In July, Biden and Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador agreed to a multi-year joint border infrastructure modernization effort, and last week, Biden authorized border wall gaps near Yuma, Arizona, to be built out.

While it doesn’t fund walls specifically, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act designates $3.4 billion to build and modernize land ports of entry on the country’s borders through the General Services Administration, including six projects on the southern border. The land port upgrades aim to strengthen commerce and create good-paying construction jobs, per a GSA press release, and support Customs and Border Protection’s mission to safeguard U.S. borders.

Here are the U.S.-Mexico border projects funded by the IIJA, grouped by state:

1. El Paso Bridge of the Americas land port of entry

Location: El Paso, Texas
Cost: $600 million

The Bridge of the Americas processes toll-free inbound and outbound commercial, non-commercial and pedestrian traffic. Volume is heavy, as many choose to cross here to avoid paying a toll. The facility has reached the end of its life cycle, according to GSA, and many of the buildings are operating beyond their capacity.

The project will modernize the facility with a new administration building, pedestrian processing lanes, headhouse, passenger vehicle lanes, kennel and commercial vehicle inspection area, and will improve traffic flow and facilitate trade, according to GSA.

2. Brownsville Gateway LPOE

Location: Brownsville, Texas
Cost: $133 million

This land port is one of the busiest pedestrian crossings in the region, but it’s plagued by hours-long wait times for travelers on foot and in vehicles. Existing facilities aren’t large enough to process the current volume of travelers, according to the GSA, and the existing layout of operations has choke points that create further delays.

The project would expand facilities to make the crossing safer and more efficient, the GSA said.

3. New land port in Douglas

Location: Douglas, Arizona
Cost: $200 million

The existing Raul Hector Castro Port is too small to efficiently process commercial and noncommercial traffic as well as heavy mining industry needs. A new dedicated commercial port would strengthen supply chains by better facilitating the crossing of goods and heavy mining equipment, according to the GSA.

The project will entail construction of inspection booths, a headhouse, administrative building, secondary vehicle inspection docks, parking, HAZMAT building, U.S. Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration facility and other support facilities.

4. Raul Hector Castro LPOE

Location: Douglas, Arizona
Cost: $200 million

The Raul Hector Castro LPOE, first built in 1933, is a critical crossing for CBP. It currently serves both commercial and noncommercial traffic, according to the GSA, but the facilities are not big enough for CBP’s needs.

Once commercial traffic transitions to the new Douglas port, the project would demolish and rebuild existing facilities that are beyond their useful life to serve people crossing on foot or in private vehicles, and reconstruct and expand processing and administrative buildings. It would also entail replacing pedestrian and vehicular inspection facilities.

5. San Luis I LPOE

Location: San Luis, Arizona
Cost: $115 million

The busy San Luis I LPOE currently processes more traffic than it was designed to accommodate, and existing facilities are significantly undersized and must be upgraded to meet CBP’s current requirements, according to the GSA.

The project will expand vehicle and pedestrian processing lanes, and build new southbound inspection facilities as well as operational and administrative facilities.

6. Calexico West LPOE

Location: Calexico, California
Cost: $100 million

The Calexico West LPOE is the main border crossing linking California’s Imperial Valley agricultural industry to the state of Baja California, Mexico. The three-phase project involves building new inspection facilities and expanding the port to increase vehicle and pedestrian capacity and better support the Department of Homeland Security. It will also allow U.S. Customs and Border Protection to more effectively identify high risk activity and shipments, combat drug trafficking and increase security, according to GSA.

You can see all 26 land ports of entry projects funded by the IIJA here.

https://www.constructiondive.com/ne...n-funded-iija-infrastructure-act/628672/

Here's a link to President Biden and President Lopez Obrador Joint Statement:

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/st...president-lopez-obrador-joint-statement/

(The above link had to be pasted like this because the site thought it was a YouTube link and put a play button area here. Just copy paste into the URL bar on your web browser.)

So, you see, it's not like Biden isn't actively doing what he can to resolve issues on the border, but Congress, INCLUDING GOPers, must legislate to make any lasting and meaningful change. I know the left is ready for just about any problem-solving legislation for immigration reform and border control, except "a big long beautiful wall, a huge wall, a wall paid for by Mexico."

Well, thats better than nothing I guess.

Which is exactly what the GOPers on Capitol Hill are doing right now.

Isn't it odd? They want to keep the federal government out of the state's business. Especially republican states. Then when Republican states can't handle their own borders they want to blame the federal government. You couldn't make this crap up if you tried. Republican states can't do the job? It's the Democrats fault!

That's what's going on at the border, republican states can't do their job!

So it would seem. It's like when a disaster strikes. "We want the federal government to leave us alone!" Then a tornado or hurricane strikes... "We want the federal government to send us money!"

Hell, Rand Paul even voted against money to help New Jersey when hurricane Sandy hit and then voted for his state to get money when the same thing happened to them. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

yall still talking about the border?

yall see our birth rates? aint no way in hell any party in government is gonna actually try to secure the border. We need bodies.

And decent soccer players.

I thought dems said our border was secure.

Isn’t that the exact moment Chucky went insane and bought a musket?

NO!

It's the second he heard the phrase "I thought dems said our border was secure."

NO? He could care less about our borders when he was alive. He was born Canadian and went insane in the USA over our gun laws. Why does the right absolutely drool over some immigrants and hate all the others?

Do you know any actual facts? You make up ridiculous talking points on the fly that are just your personal biases amplified. Then you troll until you fill the hole in your heart with hateful lies, a hole left over from crap childhood one must assume. If you would like to let a little truth in, scroll up to my last few posts.

You know OCD, I really don’t like SB. GOPer logic makes him a communist right?

Eh, interesting article here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/newsom-says-california-break-amid-151056742.html

Fox News
Newsom says California about to 'break' amid flood of illegal migrants when Title 42 expires

Title 42 is something that needs to be made into law as permanent. But first one would have to understand how it is currently based. As it is currently written it was put in place to prevent the spread of Covid. That was the sole reasoning stated for it as it is written and is worded as such. It was implemented at a time when Covid was killing Americans at a heavy rate. So as it is currently written, Title 42 is no longer valid. But there's no reason that the wording and content of such a thing couldn't be revised.

It would only be considered for revision by the right if a big beautiful wall is included.

Well I'm not sure how many people know this but the current governor of Arizona who is on his way out of office has started building a border wall consisting of shipping containers. Of course in some cases it's on federal land and native lands which he has no jurisdiction over. But then when did the law matter to Republicans when it comes to a political stunt? Subpoenas? Who cares about subpoenas? They only apply to us regular people.

So the containers will now become shelters for migrants, Brilliant!... smh

Agreed... I'd like for Title 42 to continue, but be updated to be permanent and not related to Covid...

As I stated in another thread Title 42 was written in 1944 for health concerns during a pandemic like covid. trump bastardized it in a modern era to allow immigrants to be deported before they could seek asylum.

Anyway the SC Chief Justice, just today put a freeze on title 42. Let’s see if that has any effect on this crisis now. I doubt it makes any difference at ll.