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2-1 with DW. I have to say that's better that I thought it would be. It was nice to see us not stray from the run game, hopefully it wasn't just an anomaly due to the weather. I just love having a lead and chewing up the clock with Chubb...... and there isn't a damn thing the opposing D can do about it.

If my eyes aren't deceiving me, has Winfrey been really good recently? Seems like he's shored up the middle of the DL a bit and I'm seeing his number more and more throughout the game in on plays.

Thanks Vers

Was at the game, so much more enjoyable to walk out after a win. Normally get to a game a season and the last 3 games or more have been losses, so awesome to beat Div rivals.

A lot of new players at WR and LB, all seemed to step up which was refreshing. Ward seemed to have his best game of the year. Finally got turnovers on D despite giving up just a ton of yards on the ground.

Some good calls on 4th downs by KS. Good to see chubb finally break through and start having success later in the game despite being bottled up and frequently hit at or behind the LOS in the first half.

Watson frequently got pressure from up the middle but played much better. Missed a few wide open receivers and a couple of bad decisions that we got away with but definitely a big improvement in challenging conditions. Likewise for York a tough day but brutal kicking conditions... Tell me the last time Tucker missed makable kicks in a game? As noted last week in warm up York drilling them comfortably from 60.

Mathematically still in the playoff hunt no matter how slim the chance (4%?)... It might not diddly in the grand scheme of things by seasons end but it beats the alternative

Oh yeah, that Baldwin dude … let’s see more of him

The team came out with fire and intensity. The thing is this time that fire and intensity was consistent and lasted all four quarters. Something that has been rare to see. And while the O and DW looked even better than last week, in the last three weeks the O has produced 6 points, 10 points and 13 points respectively. That's certainly going to have to increase. But as we have seen watson has been improving each week and if that trend continues so should a rise in the point totals. Albeit against a back up QB it was nice to see the D stay focused and play all four quarters with that fire. Vers won a quick $50 off of Rish. I don't see how anyone could be watching DW improve every week and then bet against the Browns for the entire rest of the season the way Rish did. But hey, it's his money. Or was his money in this case.

Happy Birthday!

Great win yesterday for the Browns!

Our propensity for being gashed up the middle on run plays has not been as much of a problem since he’s been re-inserted.

Thanks 3rd and 20!

j/c...

PFF grades from Ravens vs. Browns game.

Snaps played in parentheses.

Browns Defense:

Myles Garrett: 85.3 (49)
Jadeveon Clowney: 65.9 (22)
Chase Winovich: 51.3 (23)
Perrion Winfrey: 40.3 (35)
Alex Wright: 29.6 (41)
Ben Stille: 67.5 (6)
Taven Bryan: 56.1 (37)
Jordan Elliott: 51.5 (40)
Reggie Ragland: 64.5 (2)
Jordan Kunaszyk: 56.2 (30)
Deion Jones: 51.6 (61)
Jermaine Carter: 46.2 (10)
Tony Fields II: 30.0 (29)
Denzel Ward: 90.7 (63)
Greg Newsome II: 74.0 (63)
Martin Emerson: 59.3 (31)
John Johnson III: 93.1 (48)
Grant Delpit: 72.2 (63)
D’Anthony Bell: 60.7 (4)
Ronnie Harrison: 45.4 (36)

Browns Offense:

Deshaun Watson: 70.1 (65)
Kareem Hunt: 76.2 (17)
Nick Chubb: 53.2 (46)
Daylen Baldwin: 83.3 (12)
Amari Cooper: 76.8 (48)
Demetric Felton: 59.1 (4)
Donovan Peoples-Jones: 58.6 (51)
Michael Woods II: 52.2 (41)
Donovan Peoples-Jones: 58.6 (51)
Michael Woods II: 52.2 (41)
Harrison Bryant: 59.5 (27)
David Njoku: 59.5 (62)
Pharaoh Brown: 48.8 (13)
Joel Bitonio: 79.7 (66)
Wyatt Teller: 77.3 (66)
Jack Conklin: 69.7 (66)
Jedrick Wills Jr.: 67.8 (66)
James Hudson: 60.5 (3)
Hjalte Froholdt: 59.3 (66)
Drew Forbes: 58.7 (3)

No TV coverage at Chez Clem, so I listened to old-school radio. Love me some Dieken, but Zagura>73.

1. D: lots of bend/don't break all day, it seemed. Hard on the heart rate/blood pressure.
2. D: Still can't stop the run.
3. D: still give up way too many automatic first downs on 3rd&long. Drives me nuts; makes every game more nail-biting than it needs to be.

4. O: Chubb is getting stoned at the LOS too often. Current OL personnel is the root (we miss Ethan Pocic). Don't send 24 on sweeps with the kind of blocking we currently have. He does better when he lines up deep behind QB- it gives him time to read the play/potential holes. He's best when he can make one sharp cut, and accelerate to Level 2. We waste too many Chubb plays on slow-developing run playcalls that rely on every single blocker being letter-perfect for the play to work. We don't have those guys right now. Get 24 running downhill. Get yards. Get results.
5. O: I like that KS didn't stop feeding 24 in the second half. Eventually, it paid off. NEVER GIVE HIM FEWER THAN 20 CARRIES. EVER. THIS SHOULD BE GOSPEL.
6. O: I can see a trajectory with #4 that is gonna lead to some pretty exciting things in the 216. Next year. Win or lose, the 11 game suspension all but guaranteed that Deshaun Watson's first season as a Cleveland Brown was going to be an audition for his second season. So far, I'm OK with what I've seen.
7. Find a way to toss the ball to 27 in space, or trade him. Love me some Kareem, but he's not the pure running back (with great hands) that he once was. That said, he's still explosive in space when he has the ball, so find/make ways to put him in those situations.

8. Featuring 24 and 27 in the backfield at the same time would give opposing DC's nightmares

QUICK HITS:

* It was fun seeing (correction: hearing) this team limit BAL to 3 points. That's gotta really hurt. It also sends a signal to the AFCN that CLE games aren't given wins any more (3/2/0).
* As frustrating as our D can be for me at times, I'm actually happy that they've carried our last 2 wins. They were a total disappointment for 2/3 of the season, but have shown signs of what they could be, going forward.
* Losing JOK is significant for the remainder of this season.
* CLE is still doing just enough to keep me interested for another week. Statistical chances of post-season remain vanishingly thin, but I'm still interested... in December. Another loss, and we're out. Doesn't matter, tho- I'll be watching to see what might be next year.

Divisional wins are always important. They help to build the team to competing within AFCN culture.

.02,
Clem.

Surprised by their Winfrey grade. I thought he played really well.

You need to find another team. I guess him throwing a TD pass had nothing to do with the win.

We need more Baldwin!

You should tell this to the 32 NFL teams, 102 NCAA FBS teams, 7 CFL teams that use/hire PFF.

One more follow on that my friend and I noticed during the game ... in the grand scheme of things, I don't think you can read too much into this but worth noticing as the game temperatures get lower -- whenever there was a delay in the game (player injured, short time outs on the field) there was always a guy from the sidelines came out and wrapped Watson in one of those player "cowls" that that they often wear when on the sidelines. He was the only player on either side that would have someone run out with this on the field of play during these delays. People have speculated that DW doesn't love the cold weather and I'd say this validates that. It struck my friend and I because we both have memories of being at a Chargers game more than a decade ago that was a white out and the coldest game either of us have ever been to .... everyone was bundled up and they constantly used a leaf blower to clear the lines etc. During THAT game there were two players (and only two) who strutted around without covering up between drives, who didn't have long sleeves on etc ... Tomlinson and Gates. They stood out in a memorable way, even if in the grand scheme of things it meant nothing.

I'd bet that possibly 95% of the league doesn't. Hell, I'd bet 90% of the people living in Cleveland don't love the cold.

The throw.

That was one helluva throw , I said it at the time

Baker was good at throws like that early on in his career when he still had his mojo. One of the things I'll never take away from Baker is he has a live arm, an underrated one actually. One of the pleasant surprises with Watson so far is I think his arm strength is even better than Baker's and its much more effortless. Where Baker had to really torque his body to have the ball explode out of his hand, Watson's looks much more natural.

While this is true - sort of bypasses the point. If every player that was on the field on Saturday hates the cold ... there was still only one dude on either side that had a guy run out from the sidelines with something to help keep him warm. Maybe that's smart - like keeping a pitchers arm warm? Maybe it means nothing? It was just something unique that my friend and I noticed.

Not so long ago, bad weather was used as an excuse over and over and over again for poor qb play. Now, cold weather is being used to throw shade at our current qb.

Watson was improved.. If he keeps this up, perhaps he'll be what he once was again.

The D came to play.. Nice Job.

Offense finally scored...

all in all, fun game to watch

If this is your idea of "throwing shade"........ .... then your bar for what constitutes shade is very low.

Save your typing - that troll has an agenda and distorts everything. Next he'll be name calling and spamming the board calling people 'liar'.

LOL.........who is doing the name calling?

Anyway.................did anyone out there think that cold weather adversely affected Watson's play on the field? Did he look so cold that he wasn't functioning properly?

I was at the game. It wasn't "cold". Not like this Saturday is supposed to be.

If you were at the game did you also notice how DW had a guy run out to cover him up during time outs and one or two injuries on the field of play? And in my posts did you see me throw shade at DW? Did you see anyone anywhere claim it adversely affect DW's play? Or was that someone trolling and manipulating what the conversation was?

Cool. So you are agreeing that he was not adversely affected by the cold weather and that "People have speculated that DW doesn't love the cold weather and I'd say this validates that" was a waste of time.

Glad we are all on the same page.

Are you replying to me? If so, DO so.

It wasn't cold. I was 14 rows up, behind the Browns bench on the 47 or 48 yard line. It was not cold. In fact, it was one of the nicest December games I've been to in Cleveland.

The wind on the field may have made a difference, I don't know. But, keep in mind, as a player, you're running around. Cold doesn't affect you nearly as much as the fan in the stands. Plus, when you come off the field, you get a coat, and you sit on heated seats. Fans don't get that treatment. I was wearing plain old shoes. Not boots. My feet, being on the cement the entire game, didn't get cold. Actually took my coat off as well.

No. I was replying to 888. The quote about people speculating was made by him. I remember those conversations and some were saying Watson would not do well here in the cold weather and against other AFC North teams. So, if his play wasn't adversely affected, it's no big deal whether he likes the cold or not. Personally speaking, I don't think cold weather is a huge issue for players. Wind is. Slick fields are. Cold.......not so much.

Going forward, if you are replying to someone, it clears up a LOT if you, you know, actually reply to THEM.

All I'll say is, it wasn't cold. If DW needed a coat during some down time? How would we know if his play was adversely affected?

Going forward, I can do w/out you telling me how to post. And going forward, I won't reply to you again. It's not worth it.

Well, you had me on ignore.

It's really simple though: If you are replying to someone specific, reply to THEM. It helps the flow of the board.