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Posting this here because not sure where else to put it and there is a connection.....

Former CNN senior producer pleads guilty to child sex crime
https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/former-cnn-senior-producer-accepts-plea-deal-pleads-guilty-to-child-sex-crime-john-griffin-chris-cuomo-sexual-activity-internet-google-hangouts-kik-grooming-children-daughters-connecticut-vermont#:~:text=CNN%20fired%20Griffin%20shortly%20after,with%20parents%20of%20minor%20daughters.

One of the biggest issues regarding the old twitter leadership was in relation to this terrible topic. Political posts contra to the narrative they wanted were removed yet twitter accounts involvingwith child abuse and even trafficking were often times overlooked. Disgusting. Similar platforms were used by this dirtbag.

Exclusive: Brands blast Twitter for ads next to child pornography accounts
https://www.reuters.com/technology/...t-child-pornography-accounts-2022-09-28/

Yeah, imagine all the cheers when those first-of-the-month checks don't show up on time in red states... If we want to successfully reduce the size of our government in a productive way, just remove all the GOPers. The world would be better for it, trust me.

j/c

Tesla shares have fallen 28% since Elon Musk took over Twitter, lagging other carmakers

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/13/tesla-stock-down-28percent-since-elon-musk-took-over-twitter.html

Elon Musk sells another huge chunk of Tesla shares

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/15/elon-musk-sells-another-huge-chunk-of-tesla-shares-.html

Things are going great!

j/c

A private jet company is suing Elon Musk's Twitter, alleging it's trying to dodge a nearly $200,000 bill

https://www.yahoo.com/news/private-jet-company-suing-elon-162950769.html

Musk’s Twitter reportedly hasn’t paid rent on its office spaces for weeks

In an effort to cut costs following Elon Musk’s $44 billion acquisition of Twitter, the social media company has stopped paying rent, according to a report from The New York Times.

Twitter has not paid rent for its global offices or San Francisco headquarters in weeks, the report said, as Musk’s team has been trying to renegotiate the terms of the company’s lease.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/13/twi...rent-on-its-office-spaces-for-weeks.html

For some reason I'm thinking that if any of us refused to pay our current rent because we were fighting a lease we agreed to and signed or refused to pay for services rendered nobody would call that "an effort to cut costs". But hey, Murica, right?

Following the trump model for running a business. No wonder nobody wants to work for him now.

"Sharing private information:

We will also temporarily lock you out of your account before you can Tweet again. If you violate this policy by posting private information again after your first warning, your account will be permanently suspended."

Twitter rule since the beginning of Twitter.

But, but, but............that doesn't matter, cause Elon, Trump, conservative..........enemy.

Musk announced new Twitter rules in a tweet Wednesday evening following the jet tracker’s ban: "Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info."


they are suspended for 7 days not permanently.

“ElonJet” was tracking Elon’s private jet. Probably related to the law suit for his skipping out on the $200,000 bill he owes. The trump model continues. Better get use to it Elon. Twitter isn’t the only SN that has subscribers that are going to spread crap about you. And when you kick people out of your dwindling social room. They probably won’t be back.

Lol I guess. Murica loves to grab their popcorn and watch other morons butt heads.

And really I respect Elon for what he has accomplished. He’s definitely not a failure. So listening to his subscribers will be key for his success of Twitter.

Elon Musk says he won't ban the Twitter account that tracks his jet due to his commitment to free speech. He previously offered the owner $5,000 to take it down.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-wont-ban-twitter-account-tracking-jet-free-speech-2022-11

Elon’s Promise Not To Ban Account Tracking His Jet Didn’t Last Very Long At All; Also Bans Guy’s Personal Account

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/14...-at-all-also-bans-guys-personal-account/

He said he wouldn't ban the account...... And then he did.

Not only did he lie about banning the account, now he's threatening to sue. This sounds oddly just like someone else the far right adores....

Musk says he’s taking legal action over Twitter account that tracks his jet

https://thehill.com/policy/technolo...ver-twitter-account-that-tracks-his-jet/

But that's just the way things are these days. The truth no longer matters as long as they think someone is pwning the libs.

Not too hard to figure out if you use a little common sense.

Petulant children in the media start showing their fake outrage toward Musk and retweeting jet dude's Musk tracker. Eventually it becomes a security concern. Musk asks nicely, offers money, then he shuts it down. If people were doxxing AOC and Musk did nothing -- there would be riots. j/s

What does any of this have to do with "truth"?

Musk said at the time he promised not to suspend the guys account he knew it was a security risk but it was free speech and he wouldn't suspend his account. That was less than a month ago. Now he turns around after saying that and suspends the account and threatens to sue. How is that not about the truth?

So, some truths are important. Just not truths that expose the FBI, DOJ, etc colludes with Twitter, FB, etc to run government propaganda campaigns. And stifle the speech and cancel anyone that opposes. Gotcha.

At least you're worried about all the right things.

It's a travesty that everyone won't know where Elon and his family is at all times. A true miscarriage of justice.

That's a great way to dance around the fact that in this specific case Musk actually said he would not ban the account and then did. That he lied about this specific account. Yes, honesty is something I value. Obviously not everyone shares that view. Or if they do it's not very high on their priority list.

Why are you avoiding the fact that Musk addressed this specific case and then lied about it? It's quite obvious that's what he did. I mean he spent 44 billion dollars to turn Twitter into a crap show and that's his right to do so. Even at the price of costing Tesla shareholders billions. But can you tell me what any of that has to do with him lying about this account?

Tesla shares have fallen 28% since Elon Musk took over Twitter, lagging other carmakers

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/13/tesla-stock-down-28percent-since-elon-musk-took-over-twitter.html

The doxxing thing is mostly legit, I think, except for the jet tracking part. That is literally just sharing publicly available information. It is NOT private data in any way, shape, or form. He is 100% in the wrong for silencing that guy and that account.

I think doxxing is the biggest issue along with the fact that the stalkers knew where to show up and exactly at what time... and did.

Normal people would not have access to flight information in near real-time.


This is also why the states are banning TikTok. The states realized China knew where Gov't employees were within 2-3 feet and also could access information that China should not be able to access.

(same thing I have been saying for months)

There's websites that track flights in real time. You can literally track any plane as it travels. Like Purple said, it's public information.


https://flightaware.com/

Oh but this is interesting:

https://www.commercialpilottraining.net/elon-musk-private-jet-tail-number.html

It says the FAA can let jet owner's tail numbers be private. That's how you track them, with the tail number.

I guess someone would have to share his tail number. That would be doxxing.

I tend to agree, Prp. But I think we are creating some gray lines out of necessity.

Property records are also public domain. There's a difference between being able to access the info and someone jumping on social media to incite a certain action. (No, that is not what I believe is happening here, although I'm sure it's wishful thinking for many.)

If someone discloses my address for the intent of inciting a group to take action against me or my family they could be crossing a black line. While there is no rule or law against posting public information; law enforcement may consider the intent of the person publishing my address. If they deem it dangerous or harassing, they may cite other laws within the jurisdiction or cyber-bullying laws.

The gray line is how to enforce this, and what perceived 'freedoms' are taken away when this type of 'speech' is stifled.

It's odd how the type of speech or how it may be inciteful is suddenly a relative topic in the discussion. That didn't seem to be an issue up until now. Before it was just called free speech regardless.

It's always been a relative topic -- all the back to the fire in a theater example over 100 years ago. Maybe you haven't been paying attention.

Oh I've been paying attention. It's like trump inciting violence with his election lies. Yet Musk had no problem activating his account and I didn't hear a peep about that from you. Like the QAnon conspiracy theories and white supremacist members that post on Twitter. Excusing all of that under the disguise of free speech is not a noble cause. And it seems if you stuck up for banning the guy giving his plane flight information as you did in a argument with me, while never saying anything about the things I just mentioned, the timing of your concern over inciteful content seems quite suspect if nothing else.

I didn't stick up for banning the guy. I responded to your post inferring there was no reason and it was some arbitrary decision based on "pwning the libs". I gave you the reasoning.

And you did hear a peep from me about Trump's account being reinstated. I stated the obvious, and what is still true, Trump said long before Musk that he had no interest in returning to Twitter, and to this date has not. I guess I'm guilty of stating the truth.

I also said this... "I really don't think 90% of America cares if Trump is ever on Twitter again, other than the weak-minded cross-section that likes to fly their flags and will keep score so they can rub it in their neighbors face." Maybe that was another endorsement of Trump being on Twitter in your crazy universe.

Meanwhile, you littered the thread with your constant "so much for free speech!! Including arguing that free speech was being cancelled when Musk suspended imposter accounts impersonating other people.

I don't mind a light afternoon workout, but this is getting boring.

Sidestepping this issue coming from you is boring. You never said a thing about trump, Qanon or white supremacists posting on Twitter as being inciteful or invoking violence towards anyone. People being inciteful was never an issue I saw you discuss until now. Of course that's something you refuse to address. Point being nothing in your quote addresses concern over trump inciting people to do harm but now it seems like something you have decided to consider.

And what I pointed out was that less than a month ago Musk said he would not cancel the man's account fully knowing the content of it and then did so. And yes, if you allow others to post "inciteful things" it should be open for all to post the same. Not sit silently while one side does it and then suddenly showing concern when someone else does it.

This back and forth doesn't even qualify as a light workout. I mean you are playing dodge ball so maybe it does for you.

What's it matter, really.

You were all for banning free speech on twitter when it came to bad things being said about D's.........you know, russian conspiracy and what not (about hunter).

Don't like twitter? Don't use it. Don't try to force YOUR beliefs on others, remember that?

Ima leave you with the last word. Because, well, you know...

Scary

When did I try to get anyone else not to use Twitter? You're trying too hard. Nobody is trying to ban people from using Twitter or making it a crime to use Twitter like they are abortion. Remember that.

Twitter suspends accounts of several journalists with no explanation

Twitter on Thursday suspended the accounts of journalists who cover the social media platform and its new owner Elon Musk, among them reporters working for The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, Voice of America and other outlets.

The company hasn't explained to the journalists why it took down the accounts and made their profiles and past tweets disappear. But Musk took to Twitter Thursday night to accuse journalists of sharing private information about his whereabouts that he described as "basically assassination coordinates." He provided no evidence for that claim.

Twitter also suspended the account of Mastodon, which has emerged as an alternative to Twitter. Mastodon could not immediately be reached for comment.

The sudden suspension of news reporters followed Musk's decision Wednesday to permanently ban an account that automatically tracked the flights of his private jet using publicly available data. That also led Twitter to change its rules for all users to prohibit the sharing of another person's current location without their consent.

Several of the reporters suspended Thursday night had been writing about that new policy and Musk's rationale for imposing it, which involved his allegations about a stalking incident he said affected his family on Tuesday night in Los Angeles.

"Same doxxing rules apply to 'journalists' as to everyone else," Musk tweeted Thursday. He later added: "Criticizing me all day long is totally fine, but doxxing my real-time location and endangering my family is not."

"Doxxing" refers to disclosing online someone's identity, address, or other personal details.

The Washington Post's executive editor, Sally Buzbee, called for technology reporter Drew Harwell's Twitter account to be reinstated immediately. The suspension "directly undermines Elon Musk's claim that he intends to run Twitter as a platform dedicated to free speech," Buzbee wrote. "Harwell was banished without warning, process or explanation, following the publication of his accurate reporting about Musk."

CNN said in a statement that "the impulsive and unjustified suspension of a number of reporters, including CNN's Donie O'Sullivan, is concerning but not surprising."

"Twitter's increasing instability and volatility should be of incredible concern for everyone who uses Twitter," CNN's statement added. "We have asked Twitter for an explanation, and we will reevaluate our relationship based on that response."

Another suspended journalist, Matt Binder of the technology news outlet Mashable, said he was banned Thursday night immediately after sharing a screenshot that O'Sullivan had posted before the CNN reporter's suspension.

The screenshot showed a statement from the Los Angeles Police Department sent earlier Thursday to multiple media outlets, including The Associated Press, about how it was in touch with Musk's representatives about the alleged stalking incident, but that no crime report had yet been filed.

"I did not share any location data, as per Twitter's new terms. Nor did I share any links to ElonJet or other location tracking accounts," Binder said in an email. "I have been highly critical of Musk but never broke any of Twitter's listed policies."

Binder said a message he received while trying to access his Twitter account showed that his suspension was permanent. But Musk later suggested the penalty would last a week in response to a question about his suspension of former ESPN and MSNBC host Keith Olbermann.

New York Times reporter Ryan Mac, who covers "corporate accountability across the global tech industry," according to the paper, was also suspended on Twitter. The Times called the suspensions "questionable and unfortunate." 

"Neither The Times nor Ryan have received any explanation about why this occurred. We hope that all of the journalists' accounts are reinstated and that Twitter provides a satisfying explanation for this action," said Charlie Stadtlander, a spokesman for The Times, in a statement included in the paper's report about the suspensions.

Late Thursday, Musk briefly joined a Twitter Spaces conference chat hosted by journalist Kate Notopoulos of BuzzFeed. He reiterated his claims that the journalists Twitter banned were "doxxing" him when they were reporting on the jet tracking accounts being banned.

"There is not special treatment for journalists," Musk said, after being asked by the Post's Drew Harwell if he had a connection between the stalking incident and posting of real-time information.

"You dox, you get suspended, end of story," he added, before abruptly signing out. The Spaces ended abruptly shortly after 9 p.m. Pacific time.

"Sorry it appears the Space cut out, screen went suddenly blank on my end and everyone got booted," host Notopoulos tweeted at 9:14 p.m. Pacific.

Another suspended reporter, Steve Herman of Voice of America, said he assumes he was banned "because I was tweeting about other journalists being suspended for tweeting about accounts being booted that had linked to the Elon Jet feed."

The nonprofit Committee to Protect Journalists, which defends journalists around the world, said Thursday night it was concerned about the suspensions.

"If confirmed as retaliation for their work, this would be a serious violation of journalists' right to report the news without fear of reprisal," the group said.

The European Union warned it might impose "sanctions" on Twitter in response to the suspensions, according to Agence France-Presse.

And Reuters reports that Germany's Foreign Office tweeted screenshots of the suspended accounts and called the suspensions unacceptable. "Press freedom cannot be switched on and off on a whim," the ministry tweeted on its official account. "The journalists below can no longer follow us, comment and criticise. We have a problem with that, @Twitter."

The suspensions come as Musk makes major changes to content moderation on Twitter. He has tried, through the release of company documents dubbed "The Twitter Files," to claim the platform suppressed right-wing voices under its previous leaders. The files consist of thousands of internal company documents which detail content moderation decisions.

He has promised to let free speech reign and has reinstated high-profile accounts that previously broke Twitter's rules against hateful conduct or harmful misinformation, but also has said he would suppress negativity and hate by depriving some accounts of "freedom of reach."

In a Dec. 2 tweet, Musk wrote regarding the Twitter Files in response to criticism from some users: "Twitter acting by itself to suppress free speech is not a 1st amendment violation, but acting under orders from the government to suppress free speech, with no judicial review, is."

Musk last month reinstated several previously banned accounts, including those of former President Donald Trump, musician Kanye West and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene — although West, now known as Ye, was suspended again less than two weeks later.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-suspends-accounts-several-journalists/

Well since they really didn't dox him in the first place it appears he was getting tons of pressure for it. And for his double standards, rightfully so.

he let the people vote

The horror!!

Elon should have just called for a runoff in 30 days …you know, since nothing got 50% of the vote. Instead he added conditions to journalists. Like delete some of your free speech. Lol