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Yes, it is.

Welp

Lemme figure out our playoff odds ....

Let's see ..... (0*0)+0/0*0= ......

This new math is just too hard for me .......

Undefined.

That would pretty much wrap up this season for the Browns, then.

I don't know Ytown

I suck at math and I can actually

Understand that equation

I believe that's not a good thing

I'm kinda bothered by the divide by zero.

Cue the one person/post that finds the one scenario where we still can make it haha

I noticed the posters who boldly predicted playoffs
For the Browns in 2022 are invisible now

I predicted a 4-13 season.

Maybe they are just simply enjoying Christmas with loved ones and not worrying about a football board

I can’t find the prediction post, but I think I predicted 6-7 wins

I predicted 6. I thought the defense was way over rated
And not enough Talent at the WR position would Doom this
Team In 2022.

Well, I just felt that as soon as DW’s suspension was raised it was season over

Why does it matter ?

As a fan of the team you root for you want to hope for playoff games

It's part of supporting your team

no matter a prediction

Are you still rooting for the Browns ?

And seriously why do you feel the need to call out Fans who hope for a good season ?


I don't get it.

No but a bit of realism would be refreshing from time to time.
This roster gets over rated every year.
As long as Berry is GM this franchise will be always stuck
Around 7 to 8 wins a year

I understand

Realism has hurt many of us fans

Loving a team for many years and seeing the same results hurts

Hope is something many of us have, and hurt is something we all feel

So the fans who can still be positive and have hope

At the end of the seson when most of us are upset and hurt

No need to call out the fans who had the hope and now feel the hurt

yet again

You want to be proud of the fact that you predicted a bad season

pat yourself on your back, realism or not

It's not the outcome I want for my team

The roster is not overrated.

We have an incompetent head coach.

Diesel, I’ve rooted for the Browns every day of my life. I haven’t missed a play since I was 3 years old.

Which posters are you talking about? You say stuff like this all the time. Even if it was true, is anyone surprised people on a Brown's message board want to be optimistic about their favorite team. You say these things as if they are insults. How about insulting the guys that trash everything the Browns do while ignoring anything good?

some of the roster is overrated, orrr not recognizably seen that they shouldn't be the feature point; SO often.

but, it really explains SOO MUCH.

Nice dodge but it's an emotional response and not an accurate one. The Browns are currently 6-9 in last place the AFC North. Most people seem to be rooting for the Browns on this board. They want the Browns to win. But you seem to be indicating that if fans don't turn a blind eye to the reality of what's going on it's them who are the problem. That if fans don't make excuses for these results it's they who are the problem. You somehow can't see that the very same passion that drives them to be such die hard fans is the very thing that brings out the emotional responses one would expect from the common disappointments they endure.

You see making season predictions isn't about "optimism". It's about your realistic expectation of your teams performance. Do you honestly feel that fans of a team wants them to fail? Don't you think they want their team to do better when they give an honest prediction they won't do well? Blaming those that make accurate season predictions, blaming those whose passions bring out frustration after watching a very talented team under perform isn't the problem. That's the natural human response. Making excuses for it is yet another natural human response. One is no better than the other and both should be expected.

I still don't know who all the posters who said we were making the playoffs are. Do you?

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthre...ing-of-the-season-polls-2022#Post1967254

From the census page

- 8 out of 31 posters said the Browns would make the playoffs. Approx. 26%

- 18 out of 32 said we'd win more than 8.5 games Approx. 56%

Maybe they didn't believe it when they voted that way - we can't know one way or another, but seems foolish to vote that way if you don't actually think it.

What do you think about next year, or, the 2023 to 2024 year?

2022,
Not about the number one seed, it really doesn't matter what the Bills, Bengals, Chargers, Ravens and Chiefs do they are all at least in the playoff, there are currently only

2 remaining playoff berth opportunities, and one is the DIV. WINNER of the AFC south who only Tenn, and JAX @ualify for anyway.


Tenn and JaX play, and JaX is favored, if Jax wins that spot Jax becomes a playoff team, div winner and Tenn = out of the playoff if they lose.
Tenn in that spot if they win and then Jax would = a small chance see below.

The other ONE remaining spot has 4 teams that could take it and which team gets it the other 3 teams = out of the playoff.

Wild Card #3 would go to
Patriots if they win against the Bills barring all other outcomes why? b/c both the Pat, and Dolph, beat Pitt, and the Pat, swept the jets .. the dolph didn't so the Pats would out tie the dolph. on a 4>2 div. record to a 3>3 div. record.

It would go to the Dolphins if the Dolphins beat the Jets and the Patriots lose to the Bills Why? b/c they beat Pitt head to head, and would be overall nine and eight to eight and nine if Jax loses and Jax = out of the picture if they win b/c they'd have the other div. winner spot above.

If the Patriots lose and the Dolphins lose and Pittsburgh beats the Browns it would go to Pittsburgh. Why. b/c they'd be the only nine and eight team to other eight and nine teams.

If the Patriots lose and the Dolphins lose and the Browns beat Pittsburgh .. and Jacksonville wins? it goes to the Patriots again. Why? b/c Jax get the other spot, tenn is already listed as out of the Wild card race and I'm not going to look it up. but of the 3, eight and nine teams in this case pit is out first on losing to both the dolph and Pat. head to head, and then the Pats beat the Dolph on a 3>3 to 2>4 div record in that case.

If all 4 of the Patriots lose, the Dolphins lose, the Browns beat Pittsburgh , and Jacksonville loses to Tenn, it goes to Jacksonville.
why? b/c first the steelers are kicked out of the 4 way tie,
then it goes to afc record Jax seven and five even with a loss, and then mia, and NE both 6>6 in the afc.


It's complicated, the NFL makes it complicated.
How complicated?

the #3 tie breaker = common game opponents minimum 4 to tie break team in the SAME div. and afc record #4 tie break

but Vice Versa to tie break teams from DIFFERENT divisions so afc record = #3 tie break and common opponent minimum 4 = #4 tie break
WHICH
is the only way Jax could get that wild card if all 4 lose because they are behind both Mia, and NE, in the other. in the common opponents tie break.

Bengals/Bills game tonight will be fun

How could the league reconcile the playoff implications of suspending the Bengals and Bills game.

most fair thing I can think of, would be to begin the game on some day next week, probably Mon, or Tue, of next week,
after they play on sunday,
and begin with Cincinnati's ball, 2nd down and 2, on their own 28, with a 7 to 3 lead.

And set the game clock With I:45 remaining in the 3rd @uarter. and each team with 3 timeouts and Buffalo deciding which ever way they want to face.
And playing the I:45 of the 3rd @uarter, and play the 4th @uarter, and end the game. With Full credit for a win, loss, or tie.

Next most fair would be to give both teams a loss.

Then to decide the game on a coinflip.

If the results of the game don't impact teams in the standings, which it might not, I'd just call the game a tie.

I don't think he has that option available to him

if I understand properly he can only do one of three things

1. give the Bengals the win
2. wipe the game out completely
3. allow them to continue the game with all of the same stats
*Bills or Bengals could forfeit the game

Too much at stake to forfeit, I believe.

Bills would potentially lose #1 seed if forfeit.
Bengals have chance at #1 or #2 seeds, but need final 2 games to be played to determine that.
Ravens could still win division if Bengals lose their last 2 games.

When accounting for events out of the control of the league, such as 9/11 or the earthquake that hit Candlestick Park during Game 3 of the 1989 World Series, the league has made the following provision:

“Games should be suspended, cancelled, postponed, or terminated … when circumstances exist such that commencement or continuation of play would pose a threat to the safety of participants or spectators or would unduly affect the ability of a community to deal with the effects of a local catastrophe or similarly disruptive event.

In determining whether a game should be rescheduled or relocated, public safety, community relations, and competitive integrity should be key determining factors.

Authority to cancel, postpone, or terminate games is vested solely in the Commissioner.

If possible, the Commissioner’s-office representative should consult with authorized representatives of the two participating clubs before any decision involving cancellation, postponement, or termination is made by the Commissioner.”


https://www.footballzebras.com/2023/01/how-does-the-nfl-handle-a-suspended-game/


The policies do outline a few things the commissioner cannot do. He cannot unilaterally declare a forfeit, and he essentially lacks any authority to do so except in a very limited circumstance of a team refusing to take the field.

This game in particular cannot be terminated early — in other words, declaring a 7-3 Bengals win — because games may only be terminated if “it is reasonable to project that its resumption (a) would not change its ultimate result or (b) would not adversely affect any other inter-team competitive issue.” The playoff seedings are definitely affected by the outcome of this game.

Similarly, the commissioner cannot outright cancel the game — nullify everything from the game and have it uncontested — except as a last resort.

Some have also suggested that the game be declared a tie. There is no provision for the commissioner to do so, and the half-win in the standings also presents the “inter-team competitive issue” that the league would avoid.


***I was wrong***

He can't technically declare the Bengals a winner.
He can't declare the game a tie.
He could cancel the game but... I think he is waiting to see if there are playoff implications before canceling the game.
*the Bills or Bengals could forfeit - Goodell can't assign a forfeit to a team*

If there are playoff implications he can only restart the game where it left off.


ARTICLE 11. GAME RESUMPTION. In all instances where a game is resumed after interruption, either on the same date or a subsequent date, the resumption will begin at the point at which the game was interrupted. At the time of interruption, the Referee will call timeout and will make a record of the following: the team possessing the ball, direction in which its offense was headed, position of the ball on the field, down, distance, period, time remaining in the period, and any other pertinent information required for an efficient and equitable resumption of play.

There are only two scenarios where 'integrity of the game' walks away unscathed... without resuming this game...

If KC wins and Buffalo loses.

Or... KC loses, Buffalo wins, and the Bengals lose.

Otherwise, the #1 seed and a first-round bye is at stake for Buffalo (first scenario) and/or the #2 seed will be up in the air between KC and the Bengals (second scenario with a Bengals win).

If KC wins and Buffalo loses, the Bengals will take the #2 with a victory over the Ravens. A Bengals loss may change seeding between them and the Chargers, but that's far enough down in the Wildcard seeding that it wouldn't be deemed important enough (imo) to reschedule all of the playoffs for the resumption of Bengals vs Bills. A Bengals loss will give the Ravens the division and that would still be true regardless of outcome of Bengals vs Bills.

If deemed necessary, the Bengals vs Bills game would have to be resumed where it left off in week 19, and the entire playoffs would be pushed back one week with no "skip week" before the Super Bowl.

I think this decision would uphold the integrity of the fairness for all the teams. It boggles my mind that the Bills could be penalized because one of their players suffered such a tragedy. We have to remember that the Bills own the tiebreaker w/KC because they beat them in a head-to-head matchup.

One thing that has to be considered above all is the emotional state of Buffalo's players. Are they even ready to play?

I really have no answers and perhaps my opinion is wrong.

I think they will just call it a no contest and seed teams based on win percentage

Bengals are 11-4 and Ravens are 10-6.

If Bengals lose to Ravens Sunday, the Bengals would be 11-5 and the Ravens would be 11-6. Bengals would still be ahead which is why Ravens would need the Bengals to play and lose to Bills to win the division.

There are so many meaningful playoff implications related to whether or not the Bills/Bengals game is completed or not. I don't have a clue as to what the NFL will decide, but I am a big believer in trying eliminate competitive bias. I don't think teams should be rewarded or penalized by something that is not their doing. Others obviously feel otherwise.

The one thing that I think is important is that the players should be directly involved in the decision as to whether or not they complete the game. Perhaps the Bills won't want to return to Cinci and have to relive the tragedy? Perhaps they would want to play now that they know their brother is making such impressive improvement? The neurological news is huge!

I think the NFL and even the players don't want to speak out and/or make a decision on whether or not to resume the game until there is more concrete information regarding the status of Hamlin's well-being. Rightfully so. Folks will be jumping at the opportunity to bring out the pitchforks should they disagree w/the decisions.

If the Bengals played the Bills and lost, at 11-6 they would still hold the tie-breaker over the Ravens, so the result of the game would not change anything.

Added, didn't mean to hit post: At first I was like 'damn, how did I miss the obvious?" then I worked through the tie-breaking procedures. Teams would be split head-to-head, both 3-3 in division.

Next tie-breaker is W/L % in common games... Bengals would hold the edge 8-2 / 7-3... and the Ravens already lost to the Bills, so if that were to become another common opponent (by resuming the game) the Bengals would hold that edge regardless of outcome.

This all gets very confusing lol.