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Stefanski will be back. Wanna put some money on it?

I never said he wouldn't be back, I said he hasn't earned the right to be back. That's my opinion and the stats actually back that opinion. Having never finished higher than 3rd in the division with the talent laden roster he's had is inexcusable. However, if you want a real bet - I bet you'll be one of the first to be crying for Stefanski's scalp next year if they get off to another poor start. You'll be saying crap like "I never wanted him here in the first place." That's just the way you roll on this forum.

I never said he wouldn't be back, I said he hasn't earned the right to be back. That's my opinion and the stats actually back that opinion. Having never finished higher than 3rd in the division with the talent laden roster he's had is inexcusable. However, if you want a real bet - I bet you'll be one of the first to be crying for Stefanski's scalp next year if they get off to another poor start. You'll be saying crap like "I never wanted him here in the first place." That's just the way you roll on this forum.

I didn't want him here in the first place. I wanted either McDaniels or Dan Campbell. However, unlike you, I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. Stefanski has proven to be a very good choice at HC and I am confident in his abilities. I'm glad to admit I was wrong. You should try it. You might find it liberating.

Thanks for clarifying that. What I didn’t post is that he plans on starting Saturday. We will know for sure if he is activated.

If you'll remember, there were a ton of fans that wanted Dawson cut back then. As Dawson once said, it took him several years to get the hang of kicking by the lake. So let's just allow the guy to figure it out. He's got the leg,, just let him develop.

Thanks, I didn't know that. That would be huge for us, especially w/the poor conditions.

In addition to Myles, both Chubb and Bitonio made the Pro Bowl.

All three elite level players, even though I bag on Myles a lot. He could be even better.

PFF GRADES THROUGH 14-weeks

TOTAL OFFENSIVE GRADES:
___________________________________Zero of 33 Offensive players currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
___________________________________2 of 33 Offensive players currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
Chubb - RB - 86.9 - 6th of 63 - Georgia - 2018
Bitonio - G - 86.7 - 2nd of 86 - Nevada - 2014
___________________________________7 of 33 Offensive players performing at Starter Level 84-70
Baldwin - WR - 83.3 - NR - Michigan - 2022
Pocic - C - 82.8 - 3rd of 39 - LSU - 2017 (Injured - placed on IR)
Brissett - QB - 82.4 - 8th of 36 - NC State - 2016
Njoku - TE - 79.4 - 2nd of 73 - Miami, FL - 2017
Cooper - WR - 78.9 - 16th of 120 - Alabama - 2016
Teller - G - 71.7 - 15th of 86 - Virginia Tech - 2018
Hunt - RB - 70.5 - 32nd of 63 - Toledo - 2017
___________________________________10 of 33 Offensive players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
Conklin - OT - 68.6 - 39th of 81 - Michigan St - 2016
DPJ - WR - 67.9 - 56th of 120 - Michigan - 2020
Johnson - RB - 66.1 - NR - South Florida - 2019
Wills - OT - 63.9 - 56th of 81 - Alabama - 2020
Forbes - G - 63.1 - NR - SE Missouri St - 2019
Froholdt - C - 61.3 - 26th of 39 - Arkansas - 2019
Dunn - OT - 61.1 - NR - Maryland - 2017
Watson - QB - 60.7 - NR - Clemson - 2017
Forristall - TE - 60.1 - NR - Alabama - 2021
Haeg - OT - 60.0 - NR - N Dakota St - 2016
___________________________________14 of 33 Offensive players currently performing at Replaceable Level 59-0
Brown - TE - 58.6 - 44th of 73 - Oregon - 2017
Bryant - TE - 57.9 - 49th of 73 - Florida Atlantic - 2020
York - K - 56.7 - 35th of 44 - LSU - 2022
Hubbard - T - 55.8 - NR - UAB - 2013
Mancz - C - 55.1 - NR - Toledo - 2015
Hudson - OT - 54.7 - NR - Cincinnati - 2021
Bell - WR - 53.9 - 113th of 120 - Purdue - 2022
Darden - WR - 53.9 - NR - North Texas - 2021
Woods II - WR - 52.6 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Schwartz - WR - 50.8 - NR - Auburn - 2021 (on IR)
Felton - WR - 50.8 - NR - UCLA - 2021
Ford - RB - 50.0 - NR - Cincinnati - 2022
James - TE - 42.2 - NR - Penn St - 2015
Rogers - WR - 00.0 - NR - Grambling St - 2016

TOTAL DEFENSIVE GRADE
___________________________________1 of 32 Defensive players currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Garrett - Edge - 93.0 - 1st of 123 - Texas A&M - 2017
___________________________________0 of 32 Defensive players currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
___________________________________4 of 32 Defensive players currently performing at Starter Level 84-70
Walker - LB - 82.7 - NR - Northwestern - 2017 (injured, out for season)
Bojorquez - P - 79.6 - 4th of 33 - New Mexico - 2018
Clowney - Edge - 75.9 - 30th of 123 - South Carolina - 2014
Graham - CB - 70.7 - NR - Oregon - 2021
___________________________________8 of 32 Defensive players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
Emerson - CB - 69.1 - 36th of 122 - Mississippi St - 2022
Takitaki - LB - 67.7 - 30th of 84 - BYU - 2019 (injured, out for season)
Newsome - CB - 67.7 - 40th of 122 - Northwestern - 2021
Ragland - LB - 64.5 - NR - Alabama - 2016
JOK - LB - 64.3 - 38th of 84 - Notre Dame - 2021 (injured, out for season)
D. Bell - S - 64.1 - NR - West Florida Argonauts - 2022
Johnson - S - 63.6 - 54th of 88 - Boston Coll - 2017
Stille - DT - 61.9 - NR - Nebraska - 2022
___________________________________19 of 32 Defensive players currently performing Replaceable Level 59-0
Kunaszyk - LB - 57.1 - NR - California - 2019
Delpit - S - 56.8 - 71st of 88 - LSU - 2020
Rochell - Edge - 52.9 - NR - Notre Dame - 2017 (Waived 11/12)
Ward - CB - 52.5 - 102nd of 122 - Ohio St - 2018
Winovich - Edge - 52.5 - NR - Michigan - 2019
Perry - DT - 52.4 - NR - Illinois - 2022 (Waived 11/14)
Williams - CB - 52.2 - NR - LSU - 2019
Fields - LB - 52.2 - NR - West Virginia - 2021
Bryan - DT - 51.9 - 87th of 127 - Florida - 2018
Thomas - Edge - 50.6 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Jones - LB - 46.7 - 74th of 84 - LSU - 2016
Carter - LB - 46.2 - NR - Maryland - 2018
Winfrey - DT - 45.7 - 106th of 127 - Oklahoma - 2022
Harrison - S - 44.1 - NR - Alabama - 2018
Green - CB - 42.7 - NR - Oklahoma St - 2020
Phillips - LB - 36.7 - 81st of 84 - LSU - 2020 (injured, out for season)
Elliott - DT - 36.3 - 118th of 127 - Missouri - 2020
Wright - Edge - 35.0 - 123rd of 123 - UAB - 2022
Togiai - DT - 30.4 - 123rd of 127 - Ohio St - 2021

NR = Not Ranked due to not having snap minimum

SCALE:
100 - 90 = Elite level of play
85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play
84-70 = Starter level of play
69-60 = Backup level of play
59-0 = Replaceable level of play

To be honest I didn't see that coming.

Dittos Franzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

At 28 - Conklin should be in his prime years as a OT. He's not played at the same level as pre-injury .... but if he returns to that level then this is a bargain. If he stays at about this level or is often injured, we overpaid.

I had been wondering if his play as of late was more about a drop off in his actual physical ability to play or more related to not being fully recovered as of yet. The people I would think knows far more about that than us would be the team doctors. This contract indicates to me that it's more about his need to fully recover and get back to form than a drop off in his physical ability to play at a high level.

Didn't know where else to put this so I'll post it here. It was 58 years ago today that we won our last NFL championship. Who that day would have ever thought that 58 more years would pass and there would not be another one for the Browns. Very difficult to fathom. I was 7 years old.

Latest PFF Grades through 15 weeks. The highlighted players are the current starters according to the Cleveland Browns home page and their PFF Grades for the 15 games played.


PFF GRADES THROUGH 15-weeks

TOTAL OFFENSIVE GRADES:
___________________________________Zero of 33 Offensive players currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
___________________________________2 of 33 Offensive players currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
Chubb - RB - 88.6 - 3rd of 61 - Georgia - 2018
Bitonio - G - 85.9 - 2nd of 83 - Nevada - 2014
___________________________________7 of 33 Offensive players performing at Starter Level 84-70
Baldwin - WR - 83.3 - NR - Michigan - 2022
Brissett - QB - 82.4 - 7th of 35 - NC State - 2016
Pocic - C - 82.3 - 3rd of 39 - LSU - 2017
Cooper - WR - 80.3 - 16th of 118 - Alabama - 2016
Njoku - TE - 74.9 - 6th of 74 - Miami, FL - 2017
Teller - G - 71.2 - 15th of 83 - Virginia Tech - 2018
Hunt - RB - 70.2 - 33rd of 61 - Toledo - 2017
___________________________________10 of 33 Offensive players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
Conklin - OT - 67.7 - 42nd of 81 - Michigan St - 2016
Johnson - RB - 66.1 - NR - South Florida - 2019
DPJ - WR - 65.4 - 72nd of 118 - Michigan - 2020
Watson - QB - 63.7 - NR - Clemson - 2017
Forbes - G - 63.1 - NR - SE Missouri St - 2019
Wills- OT - 63.0 - 59th of 81 - Alabama - 2020
Froholdt - C - 61.3 - 25th of 39 - Arkansas - 2019
Dunn - OT - 61.1 - NR - Maryland - 2017
Forristall - TE - 60.1 - NR - Alabama - 2021
Haeg - OT - 60.0 - NR - N Dakota St - 2016
___________________________________14 of 33 Offensive players currently performing at Replaceable Level 59-0
Brown - TE - 58.8 - 44th of 74 - Oregon - 2017
Bryant - TE - 58.0 - 47th of 74 - Florida Atlantic - 2020
York - K - 57.3 - 35th of 44 - LSU - 2022
Hubbard - T - 55.8 - NR - UAB - 2013
Mancz - C - 55.1 - NR - Toledo - 2015
Hudson - OT - 53.6 - NR - Cincinnati - 2021
Darden - WR - 53.3 - NR - North Texas - 2021
Bell - WR - 53.0 - 112th of 118 - Purdue - 2022
Woods II - WR - 52.6 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Schwartz - WR - 50.8 - NR - Auburn - 2021 (on IR)
Felton - WR - 50.8 - NR - UCLA - 2021
Ford - RB - 50.0 - NR - Cincinnati - 2022
James - TE - 42.2 - NR - Penn St - 2015
Rogers - WR - 00.0 - NR - Grambling St - 2016

TOTAL DEFENSIVE GRADE
___________________________________2 of 32 Defensive players currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Garrett - Edge - 92.9 - 1st of 120 - Texas A&M - 2017
Ragland - LB - 91.6 - NR - Alabama - 2016
___________________________________0 of 32 Defensive players currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85
___________________________________4 of 32 Defensive players currently performing at Starter Level 84-70
Walker - LB - 82.7 - NR - Northwestern - 2017 (injured, out for season)
Clowney - Edge - 75.9 - 28th of 120 - South Carolina - 2014
Bojorquez - P - 75.7 - 4th of 35 - New Mexico - 2018
Graham - CB - 70.7 - NR - Oregon - 2021
___________________________________7 of 32 Defensive players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
Emerson - CB - 69.7 - 32nd of 121 - Mississippi St - 2022
Takitaki - LB - 67.7 - 31st of 84 - BYU - 2019 (injured, out for season)
Newsome - CB - 66.0 - 47th of 121 - Northwestern - 2021
JOK - LB - 64.3 - 39th of 84 - Notre Dame - 2021 (injured, out for season)
D. Bell - S - 64.1 - NR - West Florida Argonauts - 2022
Johnson - S - 62.0 - 60th of 89 - Boston Coll - 2017
Stille - DT - 62.0 - NR - Nebraska - 2022
___________________________________19 of 32 Defensive players currently performing Replaceable Level 59-0
Winovich - Edge - 58.7 - NR - Michigan - 2019
Delpit - S - 57.3 - 72nd of 89 - LSU - 2020
Fields - LB - 56.1 - NR - West Virginia - 2021
Kunaszyk - LB - 54.5 - NR - California - 2019
Ward - CB - 54.2 - 99th of 121 - Ohio St - 2018
Bryan - DT - 53.0 - 82nd of 124 - Florida - 2018
Rochell - Edge - 52.9 - NR - Notre Dame - 2017 (Waived 11/12)
Perry - DT - 52.4 - NR - Illinois - 2022 (Waived 11/14)
Williams - CB - 52.2 - NR - LSU - 2019
Thomas - Edge - 51.0 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Carter - LB - 49.5 - NR - Maryland - 2018
Jones - LB - 45.3 - 75th of 84 - LSU - 2016
Harrison - S - 45.1 - NR - Alabama - 2018
Winfrey - DT - 44.3 - 109th of 124 - Oklahoma - 2022
Green - CB - 42.7 - NR - Oklahoma St - 2020
Phillips - LB - 36.7 - 80th of 84 - LSU - 2020 (injured, out for season)
Elliott - DT - 36.7 - 120th of 124 - Missouri - 2020
Wright - Edge - 35.8 - 120th of 120 - UAB - 2022
Togiai - DT - 30.4 - NR - Ohio St - 2021

NR = Not Ranked due to not having snap minimum

SCALE:
100 - 90 = Elite level of play
85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play
84-70 = Starter level of play
69-60 = Backup level of play
59-0 = Replaceable level of play

I debated whether or not to post this for a couple of hours, hoping someone else would. I can’t stand Grossi and have doubted that he has any sources. The whole article is behind a pay wall and I have no idea what the detailed story says. I don’t trust this Twitter account but he is just retweeting Grossi’s words.

I really don’t believe this story. How are we one of the most run heavy teams? Not to mention who would actually take the job with these conditions.

Grossi is plagiarizing mac!

I have posted this a couple of times. It has been no secret that Stefanski has no control whatsoever as to the game plan or to a lesser extent, the play calling. This has been common knowledge that Stefanski was limited, Grossi apparently just found that out though it was available in 2020.


Kevin Stefanski agreed to certain specific terms that limit his authority
Posted by Mike Florio on January 13, 2020, 3:58 PM EST

Head football coaches like to run the show. In Cleveland, the head football coach won’t be.

As explained by Steve Doerschuk of the Canton Repository, new Browns coach Kevin Stefanski showed during his interview a willingness to yield to certain expectations of part-time chief strategy office Paul DePodesta, including having someone from the analytics group wearing a headset and having access to the coaching staff on game days. Stefanski also agreed to owner Jimmy Haslam’s desire to engage in hours-long meetings with his head coach the day after games.

Dustin Fox of 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland added that the front office expects the head coach to “turn in game plans to the owner and analytics department by Friday, and to attend an end-of-week analytics meeting to discuss their plan.”

That was OK with Stefanski, or he wouldn’t have gotten the job. It’s unclear whether it would have been OK with Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. By all indications and objective measurements, McDaniels is far more accomplished and experienced than Stefanski, who first became offensive coordinator late in the 2018 regular season and has only one full year in the job — a year that was necessarily undermined by the presence of assistant head coach/offensive consultant Gary Kubiak, who drew strong praise from coach Mike Zimmer as the best thing that had happened to the team since Zimmer arrived as head coach.

Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com reports that the job came down to Stefanski and 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh. Given that the Browns were determined to make a hire on Sunday, the truth in hindsight could be that they were ready to hire the loser of their round-of-eight showdown. Which, in hindsight, would make this decision fit well within the team’s recent history of ricocheting from one bad decision to the next.

It’s unknown whether Saleh would have taken the job if offered. On one hand, once the window opens it may not stay that way. On the other hand, the 49ers have a defense built to last, which means other opportunities may come along for Saleh that won’t entail excessive intrusions into his authority as coach of the team.

It’s quite possible that the Browns planned to hire a coach on Sunday because they guessed that the Vikings would lose, and that the hire would be the guy DePodesta wanted to hire last year. As noted yesterday, if hiring DePodesta’s preferred coach gets everyone in Cleveland on the same page, so be it. If it fails, however, the part-time chief strategy officer should have the same accountability as a full-time member of the football organization, whose jobs routinely hinge on whether or not the team thrives or fails.

About 15 years ago I read a book written by Lee Iacocca called “Where Have All the Leaders Gone”. I recommend those of you who’re interested to read it.

A insecure owner, a relative young and inexperienced leadership and one bad apple and you have all the ingredients for a dysfunctional organization.

One of the most damaging part is what it does to talented and in other aspects good and hard working people.

If the reports has any ounce of truth then it maybe explains why the Browns hierarchy sometimes acts so irrational and without a clear vision.

In my time as a supporter we have had four different HC. Hue Jackson, Greg Williams, Freddie Kitchen and Kevin Stefanski. Where’s the thinking process behind four so different personalities and leadership philosophies?



Who’s the alpha and the real boss inside Berea? You tell me because sometimes from the outside it looks like a chicken farm.

If the reports are true and Ski is restricted or share his leadership as a HC then it’s a disaster. There’s a reason a car only has one steering wheel and one driver and a ship/airplane only has one Captain.

I have a few times been critical about Andrew Berry and his communication with with media and how he talk about our players. Too much yada yada without substance and not direct enough. His introduction of DSW late in Mars 2022 was a perfect example of why he deserves criticism. Not to mention his and Stefanski’s handling of the Baker Mayfield saga. A school book example of bad leadership if you ask me. It’s not the decision to move on that’s wrong, it’s the execution.

I don’t know the answer how to move forward the best possible way but one thing I’m certain of is that Berea needs a new alpha who can put pressure on the owners to stay away from being part of the decision process regarding C-level recruitments and football related things.

Remember that birds of a feather stick together. Insecure owners makes …

Ah yes old Tony Grossi The same Ton Grossi who the Plain Dealer reasigned so that he was not covering the Browns. The same Grossi who was suspended by ESPN, the same Tony Grossi who almost ruins "The Browns Red Zone" every Monday and Thursday night during football season. The same Tony Grossi who has more BS than most politicians. Old Tony is just looking for attention again.

#NeverForget

The Browns are 5th in rushing attempts and 20th in passing attempts.

If anything that indicates we are too run heavy.


Chubb is already showing signs of being worn down yet we have fans who want us to run him more.

Yeah, I just posted the factual information to offset Grossi's conspiracy piece.

Speaking of rumors.........Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports has said that Haslam likes the Air Raid offense that his alma mater Tennessee runs, so there is speculation that the Browns could bring in a new Passing Game Specialist who has experience in the Air Raid offense. Think Mike Leach/Kliff Kingsbury type of offense. I truly hope this is not true.

I am not sure that I would be against that...maybe some modifications.

I don't remember very many "air raid" or collegiate passing based offenses winning much in the NFL. Interestingly Grossi (love him - hate him or just indifference to him) just posted an article that people were quick to dismiss - the premise being that Depo wants a long passing game focused team because that stat matters. I have no idea if Grossi is talking out of his rear end for click bait - but this rumor would seem to align a little with the gist of what Grossi wrote.

Here is some news on the Leonard rumor.







https://brownswire.usatoday.com/202...medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

Something tells me Stefanski is not secure enough to make this hire. What I mean is he's a terrible coach and the fans will be clamoring for Leonhard to replace him if the defense improves. He's not going to put himself in that situation.

It will either be another season of Woods or some low key replacement.

<<sigh>>

Stefanski wants to hire an inferior DC because he'll be too intimidated by a good one??

C'mon man. Beating a drum is one thing, but some of this trash you've been selling is just nonsense.

The statement above makes absolutely NO SENSE..!

Leonhard has absolutely NO NFL COACHING EXPERIENCE...and suddenly he's ready to be the Defensive Coordinator of an NFL franchise..?

JMO, but Haslam, Depodesta and Stefanski might not want an experienced DC who might insist on changes.

In Cleveland, it comes down to the priorities of the owner and his management team..

Jim Leonhard is highly respected. He was an extremely intelligent player. His defensive schemes and concepts as DC at Wisconsin were the same as what many NFL defenses use. I would be good w/giving him a shot. That means it probably won't happen. They never pick my favorite candidates for coaching positions.

So you admit it is all your fault?

LOL

I saw this too and immediately rolled my eyes. Haslam wanting to dictate how the the offense is ran, undermining his coaching staff because he saw a new shiny object. Even if it does not come to fruition, it's things like this leaking to the media that remind me of how little hope I have for the Browns ever finding success as a franchise other than a fluke season here or there.

Just this week the Browns have had one owner making fake press conferences with Jake Paul who then posted a video the next day of himself boxing a 2ft tall penis, followed-up by Jimmy seemingly telling anyone within earshot how much he likes the Air Raid offense his alma mater runs. Classic Browns.

This is not how successful organizations operate.