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Players do workouts together in the off-season all the time - usually led be the QB. Our previous QB organized them as well. This is a 'nothing' article.

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I think some people are setting the bar pretty low for a guaranteed 230 million dollar QB.


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Players do workouts together in the off-season all the time - usually led be the QB. Our previous QB organized them as well. This is a 'nothing' article.

Yep. Mayfield did the exact same thing. Some people seem to forget it was actually about him not having a QB guru work with him during the off season. But you know how people change the story line to suit their agenda.


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Pit, I hope we get 100% of what DW was before he stopped playing but if we even get 75% he'll probably be better than any QB we've had since Bernie. When you think about it it's pretty pathetic! Hopefully that will be good enough to take us where we want to go as a franchise fingerscrossed

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It's called stalling. It's called buying time. It's called excuses. Look, DW is on the books. I'd like to see improvement, as would/does anyone. Next year (always next year, right?) will tell the story.

It will.

I don't see any changes at the top this year. [Next year is a different deal. The team is set to win. .... ...., but there won't be any room if it fails. The same goes for the FO. It's all chips on the table for them at this point. Haslam and the fans have ridden this train about as far as it goes. It is now or never to push this thing over the top.

I am not saying it is Super Bowl or bust, but we need to win 10 or so games and be solidly positioned for a playoff run. Not just sitting there at seasons end hoping this team or that team loses. We just need to plain flat be in the playoffs. Either by winning the division or winning so many games there is no question we make the playoffs.

I am not even saying we need playoffs wins, but we need to look good in the playoffs. We can't be one and done in the playoffs by going out and laying an egg in the 1st round game. As Browns fans, we know the difference between losing a tough game and simply getting beat like a drum.
Is this post from 2022, or it could have been from 2021?
or from 2020? 2019? certainly not from twenty eleven, twenty fourteen, or 20I6, or seventeen, they were in no position for success
those years.


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Is it time to stop bringing up the guaranteed contract and just focus on his play on the field?
I think so.
Parroting the contract is either, sour grapes, or rubbing it in, or wrongly trying to remind the team they need/ HAVE to play him because of the contract, or, just a cut/dig at those who prefer Watson because Nobody, just>abouts could live up to 230 mill with their play in a couple of games.
Hey, the going rate was the going rate, there weren't 2 Deshaun Watsons on the market /in route to "Cleveland" anyway"
there weren't 2 Mona Lisa paintings either,
Going rate was the going rate.

EDIT and can we THANK Jimmy Haslam for opening up the pocket books again he has never been afraid to,
OBJ,
Clowney,
Watson,
now, .. I may think He ends up about as smart as Wile E Coyote with a pair of rocket skates but
at least he keeps goning back to ACME with an open pocket book.

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Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
Pit, I hope we get 100% of what DW was before he stopped playing but if we even get 75% he'll probably be better than any QB we've had since Bernie. When you think about it it's pretty pathetic! Hopefully that will be good enough to take us where we want to go as a franchise fingerscrossed

If he only becomes 75% of what he was Burrows would still be a better QB. And that's just in the Browns own division.


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Plus there is a draft with a first round for Baltimore and Pittsburgh before the kickoff next season. and free agency, no guarantee who they will start at @b next year.


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Browns Roster Move Sparks Speculation of Brewing Drama Within RB Room

By J.R. De Groote
Updated Dec 31, 2022 at 2:42pm

The Cleveland Browns elevated running back John Kelly Jr. to the active roster ahead of their matchup with the Washington Commanders, a sign that the running game could look a bit different on Sunday.

The Browns have been eliminated from the postseason and could use the final two games to get a look at their younger backs, like Jerome Ford. It doesn’t look like Kareem Hunt will be returning to the team next year, so the Browns likely want to get a look at how a Chubb-Ford backfield would function in a regular season game.

The Browns are very unlikely to have five running backs active in Chubb, Kareem Hunt, Ford, D’Ernest Johnson and Kelly. Johnson has been a healthy scratch multiple times this season and there’s a chance Hunt could see the same fate on Sunday.

Hunt’s per carry average of 3.9 yards is a career-low and he hasn’t been able to provide the spark plays he once did for the Browns’ offense. He’s in the final year of his contract and the current momentum seems to indicate that Hunt will be wearing different colors next season.

In all, Hunt has 117 carries for 455 yards this season. He’s also caught 31 balls for 196 yards and has four total touchdowns. Being sidelined won’t sit well with Hunt, who is ultra-competitive and wants to put as much on tape as possible heading into free agency.

The Browns also signed linebacker Tae Davis to the active roster from the practice squad and placed LB Jordan Kunaszyk (hand) on injured reserve. In addition, the team also elevated defensive tackle Roderick Perry II from the practice squad.

Browns Have Liked Ford’s Progression as Rookie

The Browns selected Ford in the fifth round of this year’s draft out of Cincinnati. In his final year with the Bearcats, Ford rushed 214 times for 1,319 yards and 19 touchdowns.

Ford has been a special teams contributor but hasn’t seen any significant action on the offensive side of the ball. He has three carries for three yards this season. Getting some work in now could pay dividends for the Browns down the road.

While Ford hasn’t been able to showcase his skills on game day, the Browns have been pleased with how he’s progressed.

“A really strong runner. Does a lot of really good things. Can catch the ball really well out of the backfield,” Browns offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt said on December 29. “Progressing well. Impressive when he does have the ball in his hands with what he can do with the run. Then going back to training camp of what he brings in the passing game as well with good hands and good route running ability.”

Browns Interested in Getting Nick Chubb Rushing Title

Chubb has been a monster this season for the Browns and he still has an outside shot of being the league’s leading rusher. He currently sits at No. 3 with 1,344 yards. He’s behind Titans running back Derrick Henry, who did not play this week, and Raiders back Josh Jacobs, who has collected 1,539 yards on the ground this season.

It’s been a tough season for the Browns but getting Chubb to the mark could be a sort of silver lining.

“Obviously, it is an individual achievement, but it does fall into the framework of the team,” Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “If that is something that were to happen, I think it would be great for Nick, but it is great for the offense, great for the offensive line and all of those guys sharing individual achievements.”

The Browns face the Commanders this weekend and will wrap the season up against the Pittsburgh Steelers on the road.



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What does Dernest have to do to get some carries. He's only proven he can do it multiple times.

This coaching staff is the worst.


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Coaching staff? Ehhhhh.......that sounds like a Berry move.

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Its about damn time - should have done this weeks ago.

Hunt is done - slow as molasses. Injuries and his running style have caught up with him. Ford provides them a legitimate change of pace back.

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Ford is an unproven rookie. Johnson has proven his production in NFL games.


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Is D’ernest’s lack of touches because of his blocking/pass catching? I have always thought he’s looked good running it


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Johnson is the second best back on the roster by a pretty large margin and can't get any touches.


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Johnson has nothing on Chunt.

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I’m hoping the idea is to save him for next season, cuz Hunt probably won’t be here.


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
I’m hoping the idea is to save him for next season, cuz Hunt probably won’t be here.

He's a Free Agent at the end of the year and I expect him to move on given the lack of playing time he has received.


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Jerome Ford is not very good, not yet anyway, No reason, , ok What? reason is there to believe Ford will be any good as a RB in the future?
Certainly not because Berry drafted him. Nobody or almost noboby has developed or improved as an NFL player after Berry drafted them.
Who? Delpit? one could argue Delpit was already good just getting healthy, disguised as improvement.
Jerome Ford is the Jordan Elliot of RB's
Please don't give Berry any more time to screw up the future of this franchise.

They don't know any better. They will become worse not better with more time.


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Maybe Marty and Dr. Emmett Brown could wisk here from the past to take a look 6 years down the road to see what players are good, come back to the past to tell Berry which players work out, then head back to the other past. Or, maybe they are already in the future and have to make several other stops in the future on their way to the past, to eventually tell Berry what's up.

Lot's to think about there.


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Yep with a whopping 9 career carries (three at the end of the last game when even the drunk guy throwing up in the restroom knew we were going to run) we have the whole story on him. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


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Jerome Ford is not very good

Yep with a whopping 9 career carries (three at the end of the last game when even the drunk guy throwing up in the restroom knew we were going to run) we have the whole story on him. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

Your drunk ass went to the game last week??


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Originally Posted by GMdawg
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Jerome Ford is not very good

Yep with a whopping 9 career carries (three at the end of the last game when even the drunk guy throwing up in the restroom knew we were going to run) we have the whole story on him. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

We have a bigger story on D'ernest Johnson and the story has been a good one. Yet some wish to ignore it for an unproven guy.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Maybe Marty and Dr. Emmett Brown could wisk here from the past to take a look 6 years down the road to see what players are good, come back to the past to tell Berry which players work out, then head back to the other past. Or, maybe they are already in the future and have to make several other stops in the future on their way to the past, to eventually tell Berry what's up.

Lot's to think about there.

That is a lot to think about and it would be great! Then we wouldn't have to pay people seven figure salaries that are supposed to be able to do that on their own.


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This seems less than ideal.


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Yes, but next week the Browns have a chance to have the same record as the Steelers in the game I call "The Battle For The Basement" in the AFC North.


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Or maybe, Ray Farmer, Heckert, "and/or" maybe a few others were better and more agreeable GM dudes who brought in what looked like football players to the team and not the analytics Barbara Streisand, and they didn't even have to think about it, "lot's to think about there", because, it came naturally.

One doesn't have to "study" to know a Camaro, that the chic's will like it and your buddies will be jealous and there will be a high price tag. Analytics would give you a Yugo, and a thousand page brochure explaining how much better the Yugo is.

edit: to add and/or, b/c we don't know who the hypothetical previous ones would have done with the time they were not given.

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Originally Posted by Milk Man
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This seems less than ideal.



This is acceptable to a lot of fans.


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j/c…

This seems less than ideal.



This is acceptable to a lot of fans.

Add to that, the Browns have had a better record than the Ravens only twice in 24 years since their return. The Browns have finished 3rd or worst 22 out of the 24 years since their return (2nd in 2002 & 2nd in 2007) and have never won a Division crown since their return. Interesting to note that Stefanski has kept the streak alive finishing 3rd in 2000, 3rd in 2021, and no better than 3rd in 2022 meaning it will be 15 years now since the Browns finished higher than 3rd place in the AFC North.


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Jerome Ford is not very good

Yep with a whopping 9 career carries (three at the end of the last game when even the drunk guy throwing up in the restroom knew we were going to run) we have the whole story on him. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

Your drunk ass went to the game last week??

LMAO

Nope been booze free since Nov 21st.


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It’s crazy that the Steelers can either finish in the playoffs or in last place


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

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In terms of our schedule for next year, would we rather finish third or fourth?

If we finish 3rd we would play: New England, at Las Vegas, Detroit
If we finish 4th we would play: NY Jets, at Denver, Chicago


Of course, that could change depending on the Detroit/Green Bay game


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
In terms of our schedule for next year, would we rather finish third or fourth?

If we finish 3rd we would play: New England, at Las Vegas, Detroit
If we finish 4th we would play: NY Jets, at Denver, Chicago


Of course, that could change depending on the Detroit/Green Bay game

Browns 2023 Schedule

Home: Ravens (10-6/P), Bengals (11-4/P), Steelers (8-8), Jaguars (8-8), Titans (7-9), Cardinals (4-12), 49ers (12-4/P), AFC East (3rd or 4th TBD), NFC North (3rd or 4th TBD)

Away: Ravens (10-6/P), Texans (2-13-1), Colts (4-11-1), Rams (5-11), AFC West (Raiders 6-10 or Denver 4-12 TBD), Seahawks (8-8), Steelers (8-8), Bengals (11-4/P)


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This seems less than ideal.



This is acceptable to a lot of fans.

But we won a meaningless game last week and will finish below .500. rofl crazy


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It might be meaningless to you, but I doubt it was meaningless to the team. I am actually happy that they are still fighting hard despite their record. Would you prefer they quit?

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The way it stands right now our schedule next year would be easier if we finish 4th but I just can't root for us to lose this week especially to the Steelers and with the hope we knock them from playoff contention.

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It might be meaningless to you, but I doubt it was meaningless to the team. I am actually happy that they are still fighting hard despite their record. Would you prefer they quit?

They wanted it, they didn’t quit on themselves or the coaches.


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People can get on Clowney, but that guy hustles all over the field.

Not to get on Wills, I think he is a good enough player, but the guy is a slacker. He won't run 10 feet outside his area of ground.


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