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Ahhh, so you're mad that they didn't let Pit from Dawgtalkers know how the previous situations were handled.

I can like ^ that much of OldColdDawgs post. ninety percent of the original.

I'm simply trying to point out the total double standard to you without all the personal agenda stuff. But thanks for playing. I forgot about your claim that you didn't do that so this must not have actually happened, right?

Clowney skipped out on his team in college. He will be on his 5th team next year despite being the #1 overall pick coming out of college. I guess all the coaches and FOs of every other team and to blame for his troubles, as well.

Yet after all of that, in their infinite wisdom the Browns FO brought him to Cleveland. I guess the Browns FO didn't learn anything based on his history.

And of course none of that changes the fact that several other Browns players also made negative comments with zero repercussions. But you do you.

You don't want to forget the Browns and Clowney were together a 2nd year after the Browns and Clowney got together for a first year.

That's true. I'm just wondering if Clowney has such a crappy history that is supposed to prevent anyone from counting on him why the Browns FO signed him in the first place? I mean when someone presents an argument that someone is a POS I think it's only natural to question why the FO would sign a POS.

I guess bringing up his past before he got to the Browns is ok.
I did it with Jacoby Brisset but I criticized his gameplay not personality. Also won't change that Clowney did nothing but play well for the Browns the whole time in Cleveland. ...
let's try another subject.
So did Sheldon Richardson
Malik Jackson only was on the Browns for a year. Both did nothing but play well their whole time in Cleveland.
before that, who knows what Larry Ogunjobi did wrong.
and even Carl Nassib and Emmanuel Ogbah did nothing but play pretty well their whole time in Cleveland. A pattern but no reason to use the word blame.

Well since the first one is mostly just emotional reaction without much depth and insight, I am glad Vers starts the 2nd one. It’s one of the best “regular” threads on DT because it’s more football than fandom on steroids.

Probably because he is a good player and the browns had a need at the position he plays. Teams do that all the time.

I think it is human nature to think just because a guy may not have fit in elsewhere doesn't mean he won't fit in here. We see that all the time. OBJ is a prime example. He has been a problem child everywhere he has played but he keeps getting hired because he is good. He fits in for a period of time, then the same old stuff rises to the top.

It's just calculated risk. Is the benefit worth more than the baggage?

Thanks lamp. The Post Game thread reached a point where very few posts were about the game. I also read a couple of posters who missed eotab's What I Saw threads. Furthermore, I've noticed that folks have been mentioning that the Browns were not on locally more than ever this year.

I'm not one who cares when someone starts a post of any kind or occasionally takes a thread off the original topic...my issue is with a poster who constantly whines about things that HE actually does.

j/c:

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Wouldn't that be two more 3rd round draft picks if he's hired??

Yes, I believe something like that.

What are they thinking? The geniuses on here say that our entire organization suck.

j/c:

For some reason the bolded part bothers me. Almost feels like Watson isn't happy with the design of the offense and dictating that major changes. get made. Am I reading into that too much?


Deshaun Watson 'excited' for offense that will be 'a lot different' in 2023
Watson expressed disappointment in how his first season in Cleveland ended but optimism for what’s to come in Year 2

Jan 11, 2023 at 01:04 PM

Anthony Poisal
Staff Writer

During the Browns' locker room cleanout Monday in Berea, QB Deshaun Watson did his best to look at the positives of his shortened first season in Cleveland.
It didn't end with a trip to the playoffs like the Browns had hoped, and it didn't end on a good note, either, after a gutting 28-14 loss to the Steelers in the final game of the season. The Browns went 3-3 with Watson as their starter, a record that showed the glimpses of how good they can be when Watson is at his best — and also how there's an abundance of areas where they need to improve for 2023.

Watson acknowledged that while the six games weren't all as smooth as he would've liked, he was still pleased to return to the field and felt optimistic about what's ahead.
"Of course, it didn't meet the expectations," he said. "Of course, we wanted to find our way into the playoffs and have extended games and an opportunity to clinch the division and all of these different things. As far as just being able to play football again, get out there and knock some rust off, have some ups, have some downs and have some in-betweens and kind of really get the feel of how we want to operate as an offense and what we look forward to as the Cleveland Browns, it definitely did that.
"I'm excited. I'm definitely looking forward to this future for the Cleveland Browns, the organization and this team."

In the six games after his 11-game suspension ended, Watson completed 58 percent of his passes for 1,102 yards, seven touchdowns and five interceptions. His best moments happened in the second half of the Browns' 24-10 win over the Commanders in Week 17, where he threw three touchdowns on three straight drives.

After struggling to replicate that success Sunday in Pittsburgh, Watson, who threw two interceptions in the game, acknowledged that he knew entering the season he faced a steep slope toward re-discovering the same consistency as a passer he had found in the first four years of his career.

"I knew it was going to be challenging," Watson said after the Steelers game. "I knew I wasn't going to walk in and just be the MVP of the NFL. I've got a lot of work to put in. I've put in a lot of work, and I have a long way to go."

On Monday, Watson expressed an eagerness toward embracing the offseason to continue that climb. He and WR Amari Cooper had already discussed meeting at some point over the offseason to improve chemistry, and he also looked forward to analyzing the offense with head coach Kevin Stefanski and assessing what they can do to be stronger in 2023.

"We're going to sit down," Watson said. "Met with him today. We're going to have a man-to-man conversation. Nothing negative or anything like that, but just what can we do to be better offensively and as a team."

Does that mean the offensive style and play calls will be even more different compared to when he took over as the starter in Week 13?
"Yeah, most definitely," he said. "I think it will be totally different. We've seen a glimpse of what we wanted to do, but I think it will be a lot different, for sure."

Stefanski said any changes to the offense will be about bringing even more opportunities to the Browns' top skill position players.

"I hope year to year you are different – different being better," he said. "How drastic that is depends so much year to year. Ultimately, we do want to maximize Deshaun's talents, maximize (RB) Nick Chubb, (TE) David Njoku and (WR) Amari (Cooper). We want to make sure that we are putting all of those guys in a good spot. Yes, there are things that yes we want to get to this spring and summer that we haven't gotten into just yet."

Those changes will be one of the biggest storylines the Browns face in the offseason, and it's all geared toward meeting the high expectations Watson has for himself now that he'll have a full 17-game slate with his new team.

"The expectations should be high because we have the talent, we have the potential and we have the people and the pieces to be able to meet those expectations," he said. "We have to make sure that we are doing everything that we can do consistently each and every week to try to meet those expectations."


https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/new...h8Lb65R68Yrt3eSLskJGvVz-JsiRZuqxxsLTqj4Q

A HC and a QB discussing the evolution of the offense........The horror!

I would have bet everything I have that DW and KS were going to sit down and discuss our O for next season!!!

Nothing wrong with HC and Qb discussing the offense. It just seems weird for that Qb to say that the offense will be totally different.

Overreact much? I see this as a good thing, but I'm not the guru you are! Maybe, wait and see before we break out in tears.

Agreed. Watson's words would be much-better received if those words came from KS' mouth.

You think? I wonder what the reaction would have been from some if a former QB that came out and said about his HC - ""We're going to sit down," Mayfield said. "Met with him today. We're going to have a man-to-man conversation. Nothing negative or anything like that, but just what can we do to be better offensively and as a team.""

At the end of the day I think all these end of season presser's are fluff and BS - you can't take a single meaningful thing away from them. But I also definitely see how the QB making this statement might be taken positively by those that like the QB - and I can for sure see it taken negatively if someone didn't like the QB. Me? I think it's a reaction to Watson being underwhelming in 6 games and something needed to be spun that there is going to be hope.... To use Donovan's interview once more, pretty sure he summed up Watson's play as having had 1 good half in 6 games. Donovan thinks Watson will return to former glory but said what we saw this year was not good.

j/c...

But, some folks keep telling us how dreadful our cap situation is. LOL

You should really check the current numbers before posting.


2023: Total Liabilities - $261,768,607____Team Salary Cap w/carryover - $252,593,789____Cap Space - ($9,174,818)

I think anyone can take that any way they choose to. I don't see it the way you do. Week 13 was watson's first game back. I don't think anyone thought the offense would look the same as it will as a finished product. watson had a ton of rust and despite what some may indicate, nothing, not practice nor studying the playbook replicate the speed of the game. So it only seems natural to me that it would start out very simple and expand from there.

Could it have been worded differently? Sure. But we're talking about football players and not people who are experts at public speaking. We have another thread about the evolution of the offense and I think these are simply comments that show that the offense will evolve. As he gets back to form Stefanski will open up the playbook accordingly. So I think people should expect the offense to look very differently next year than it did in week 13 of the past season.

But then again I've never tried to draw the most negative conclusions from player comments. Nor do I pick and choose which players comments to spin in a negative way while looking to spin other players comments in a positive way. I'll leave that for others to do. If those who always look to spin players comments did that equally among every player they would have a lot more to say about comments from the defensive players this season. Instead they chose one of them and neglected the others.

The accolades keep coming for Myles.

I get you point, thanks for the thoughtful response without being condescending. (not being sarcastic)

I don't think I tried to spin his remarks. But I admittedly am not a fan of Watson. So maybe that subconsciously influenced my interpretation. Maybe you are right, maybe he just worded it awkwardly because he isn't great with words. It just gave me a weird feeling. It just sounded like he wanted Stanski to completely revamp the offense whereas I would expect tweaks. But in my defense I did ask if I was reading too much into it. I hadn't thought about your idea that maybe the offense was very simplified to get him back into the groove and that his comments meant that the playbook would be much more open. I hope that is correct. If it is, then I give props to Stefanski for that.

As for the defensive players comments, many of them are bad. But too many for me to post on when so many other s were doing so. In my mind, all those comments are pretty much right in your face whereas this seemed more subtle.

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I certainly didn't mean to indicate you were trying to spin anything. People can read something and perceive it differently. I'm certainly not a fan of watson as a person myself. I was simply trying to show you a different perspective on his comments. I can see how someone could take his comments the way you did.

I think what troubles me the most on this board is how some people will take player comments in the most negative light when they don't like a player and then either spin or ignore those same type of comments from players they like. And that isn't in reference to you.

I never intentionally try to spin anything. But I do realize that we all have our personal biases that we look through when evaluating anything/everything which can skew our perspectives. I try to take that into account both when I am posting and when others are posting. And I realize that because peoples' biases influence them, I know that not everyone (actually most people) don't post with any kind of agenda.

Returning to the defensive players mouthing off. I am not a fan of players airing out laundry to the press. It is concerning when there are multiple players all saying the same thing. I think that signal issues and that is why Woods is gone more than any other reason.

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Congratulations men!


Joel Bitonio named 1st-team All-Pro; Myles Garrett, Nick Chubb land on 2nd team

Cleveland’s top playmakers receive top honors from Associated Press
Jan 13, 2023 at 12:43 PM

Anthony Poisal
Staff Writer


For the third straight season, the Browns are represented on the Associated Press' All-Pro first team.

G Joel Bitonio, the Browns' longest tenured player who just keeps getting better, earned the top honor for a second consecutive season. DE Myles Garrett and RB Nick Chubb earned second-team honors.

Bitonio continued to be a key blocker in every facet of the Browns' offensive attack and was one reason why Cleveland finished sixth in the league in rushing, which marked the third straight season the Browns' run game has ranked in the top 6. Bitonio was the second-highest graded defender by Pro Football Focus with an 87.6 overall grade for the season and played every snap for the sixth consecutive season. He was named to his fifth consecutive Pro Bowl last month. For his career, Bitonio has made the AP's first-team twice and also has three second-team honors.

Garrett, who was selected to his fourth career Pro Bowl last month, tied his own single-season franchise record with 16 sacks, his same total from 2021. He played in 16 games and tallied 60 tackles, 18 tackles for a loss and four pass deflections — all those stats were career-bests for Garrett. He also added two forced fumbles, and he recorded at least one sack in all but five of his games this season. He's the only player in the NFL to record at least 10 sacks in each of the past five seasons. Garrett now has four All-Pro honors for his career, including two first-team selections.

Chubb was bested by the Raiders' Josh Jacobs for a role on the first team but still built a career-best season with 1,525 rushing yards, his highest ever in his fifth NFL season, and 12 touchdowns, which tied his career high from 2020. Chubb joined Jim Brown as the only two Browns players to eclipse 1,500 rushing yards in a season, and he was also named a Pro Bowler for the fourth consecutive year. This is Chubb's first-ever All-Pro selection.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/new...yles-garrett-nick-chubb-land-on-2nd-team

3 players who could get the axe as cap casualties for the Browns


Jacob Roach
January 16, 2023 8:59 am ET

The Cleveland Browns have some significant contract extensions that will kick in this next season. They have a ton of rollover cap from 2022 but they still need to clear some space for potential free agents. Andrew Berry has done an excellent job in creating outs in contracts where he can cut players early and gain cap space if the deal isn’t working out.

Cleveland will have to decide if they can find someone cheaper to fill in or if they might restructure the current deals to make space and retain players. Let’s take a look at three players that may be on a new team to create more cap space.



Joe Haeg, offensive linemen


Offensive linemen Joe Haeg only played one snap for the Browns this season so fans might not miss him. But the team gave him a multi-year deal to be depth at the position as a veteran with plenty of experience. You can never have enough good offensive linemen but as a team that might be looking to pinch pennies, he could be on a new team next year.

Haeg carries a 2.5 million dollar cap number next year and if the team cuts him he will free up 2 million in cap space with only $500,000 in dead cap making this a no-brainer move.


Jakeem Grant, wide receiver and returner


The team signed Jakeem Grant to provide a spark on special teams as a returner until he tore his Achilles in training camp. Grant is 30 years old and coming off of an injury that notoriously takes a long time to recover from. As an older player, you have to ask if he will get all his speed and elusiveness back.

Donovan Peoples-Jones has emerged as a great punt returner with Jerome Ford showing flashes on kick returns. With replacements on the roster and with a cap savings of 2.2 million, if he is cut, Jakeem Grant may never suit up for the Browns in a game.


John Johnson III, safety


The John Johnson experiment in Cleveland has just not worked out and it’s likely time to move on not just because of the cap savings. Johnson hasn’t been the top talent he was for the Rams and at times has had his effort questioned.

If the Browns cut Johnson with a post-June first designation the team will save 9.75 million on the cap. Depending on the new defensive coordinator they may try to keep Johnson but it likely will not be on his current contract without a restructuring.

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lis...medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter