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I would add that I think we will have a large number of coaching changes among the assistants. It may not come out as something actually said, but I believe it will be strongly implied that fanski needs to make some changes or the owner is going to make changes. wink, wink
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I think folks are forgetting a couple of things.
First, he was Coach of the Year in 2020. He inherited a team that was a mess. They were undisciplined and lacking any sort of identity under the guidance of Freddie Kitchens. Not only did Stefanski bring some sort of order, discipline, and establish an identity.....he did it during the Covid year where all the new coaches were faced w/a much tougher task than returning coaches. Installing entire new schemes is no easy task, but to do it w/such a limited amount of real practice time is actually incredible.
Secondly, I wonder how many coaches could have kept their team focused and competitive while enduring the circus of the situations w/Watson and Baker? The FO and ownership pretty much left Stefanski to deal w/all the media interactions. The entire organization was under fire for signing Watson and Kevin was left to deal w/the media onslaught. Also, a very popular QB was on his way out and drawing attention to himself w/podcasts and other "look at me" situations. Look at this board and there are still people who are bitter about the Baker situation.
Next, he had to somehow prepare two "starting" QBs during camps and figure out an offense that was friendly enough for both guys to succeed, despite them having very different skill sets, strengths, and weaknesses.
Finally, we have 7 wins w/one game to play. A game in which we can sweep the season series w/the hated Steelers. People are acting like we are 4 and 12. We are not. Hell, some of the Baker fans are telling us what a great coach Sean McVay is. Well, his team won the Super Bowl last year and are now 5 and 10 and underdogs in their season final. Did McVay suddenly forget how to coach? Or, is it more likely that team-wide circumstances were more important that the coach when it comes to the record? What about the results? Every coaching staff deals with stuff.
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How many teams will be looking for coach this year?
I think next year is the year you end up looking like a prophet, or a fool.
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I think next year is the year you end up looking like a prophet, or a fool. We already know the answer to this. A weak leader will always be a weak leader. Can you imagine what Harbaugh could do with this roster. It's professionally irresponsible for Haslam to rubber stamp Stefanski into next season when you have candidates like Harbaugh out there. If this were a publicly traded company, the shareholders would be taking the board to task that the CEO (coach) isn't being dealt with.
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Steve the difference between those QB's you mentioned and DW could be that DW has had a lot of off field distractions to deal with while these other QB's have not. I'm not making an excuse for DW, the off-field distractions were allegedly caused by him, but that has to be a problem he will have to deal with and overcome. I know when my wife got very sick it affected me at work as much as I tried not to let it. It was always on my mind. I don't know exactly what's going on with DW but that might be a problem right now.
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.....but more importantly the extremely slow start by Watson. It was made a point that the 300-day layoff is being used as a crutch...... More like 700+, but who's counting?
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Punishments are set depending on the level of the infraction. Myles was driving 74 in a 70 MPH zone with his comments, while Clowney was driving 95 in a 70. Big difference. He was going quite a bit faster than that. Once again, the punishment certainly shouldn't have been equal. But not a peep came out of the coaching staff about such negative comments when other players were doing it. I think he was using speed to refer to the differences in severity of the comments, not referring to Myles' car accident.Here is something I have considered however. There is certainly a cumulative effect to be considered here. With Clowney having not only made such comments but his refusal to play on 1st and 2nd downs it's only understandable that his punishment be severe. I think that's an easy conclusion to draw. I do however contend that if you wanted players to stop making public comments about disapproval of what is going on behind the scenes that should have been spelled out when it all began. I was listening to the Tailgate show on The Fan this morning and the one guy reported that the Clowney situation has been a locker room issue for over a month now. Not saying this to make a point, just to share the information.
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Teams like us have too many locker room issues. I don't recall any 2 years ago when we made the playoffs.
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Yeah, I wasn't referring to the accident either. Clowney's comments were certainly far more severe than Garrett's but Myles comments were certainly not innocuous. That seemed to be the assertion I was addressing. And losing combines with frustration and always brings out negativity. Not only among the fan base but as we've seen over the course of the season from the players as well. Not so much on the offense because the Browns had a top 10 offense with Brissett at QB. And I think anyone being realistic expected watson to be rusty and that it would take time for him to shake that off.
But in terms of the defense as we've seen, players were frustrated and displayed that frustration publicly. Clowney was more critical but I would certainly wager he isn't the only one in that locker room who has been frustrated.
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Even had we squeaked into the playoffs this season and had Clowney stayed next season, the Clowney situation would have crept up sooner rather than later.
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So are you saying stefanski traded unprecedented draft picks for a QB that Was laid off and distracted? Yes or no
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So are you saying stefanski traded unprecedented draft picks for a QB that Was laid off and distracted? Yes or no Stefanski didn't trade for anyone. There is nothing unprecedented about giving up 3 first rounders and the other mid round draft picks we gave up. Watson came with a situation and baggage that was known by everyone - whether you call that DW being distracted or whatever is really trying to make something additional out of that whole mess. The Watson trade and KS will be judged by next year - period. No matter what you, me and others say and feel about the situation. Not fighting with you, just pointing out a few facts and trying to take the emotion out of it.
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I was just listening to a local sports talk show and KS came up. They agreed he should get another year to see what he can do with DW but they also said if KS fails to get to the playoff's next season his tenure in Cleveland will be over. It's someone's opinion so take it for what it's worth.
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Translation KS has no responsibility .
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I think Stefanski has been pretty good at getting the most out of his QB's for the most part. I would find that hard to disagree with. watson getting back up to speed would be no great feat. The claim has been that he is a top 10 QB all along. He just needed to shake off the rust. If that's what this FO and owner accept in a HC they aren't asking for much. It sounds as if all most people want is watson to be what watson was all along until the 700 days absence from the game. That's a pretty low bar to set.
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Right Pit. If Dw does get back to the QB he was we should be in good shape next year at least on O.
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Translation KS has no responsibility . No. KS is a HC not a GM. KS is responsible for the w/l record and how the team ays and and how the game is managed during games. Berry is the GM and signs, resigns, trades players etc.
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Steve the difference between those QB's you mentioned and DW could be that DW has had a lot of off field distractions to deal with while these other QB's have not. I'm not making an excuse for DW, the off-field distractions were allegedly caused by him, but that has to be a problem he will have to deal with and overcome. I know when my wife got very sick it affected me at work as much as I tried not to let it. It was always on my mind. I don't know exactly what's going on with DW but that might be a problem right now. Not to be mean but I say BS to his off the field issues. In 2019, Stafford's wife was diagnosed with a brain tumor. He played that season until a back injury derailed him but prior to his injury, Stafford was the 4th rated QB averaging over 312 yds per game and was on pace to be just under 5,000 yards for the season. I'd humbly disagree that Watsons off the field distractions come close to what Stafford went through. In 2003, Bret Favre played the game of his life 1-day after his father suddenly passed away. If there was ever a case to use an off the field distraction for your play this would be it. The other issue I have as you state, Watson's problems were all self-inflicted. No one is to blame for his problems accept Watson himself. How long are we going to use his off the field distraction of being a predator as an excuse for his play? Should we?
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That's fine Steve glad you responded. The only thing I am saying is maybe DW's problems bothered him more than others problems bothered them. Maybe because there were lawsuits involved and possible issues with laws being broken. I don't know I'm just speculating and could be off base. I just thought it might be something to consider.
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Thanks for the comments, good football talk. I'll can understand your opinion though it's just excuses to me of which none were allowed last year - not directed at you though. Watson must be seriously bothered by his off-field distractions today.
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All those in favor of rolling with Stefanski next year, consider this...they were never in the game today.
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Today's game vs Pit is exactly why I have serious reservations about KS. Same in game mistakes as we've seen every year. 12 runs by Nick Chubb the best RB in the NFL - at 6+ yards per carry. 35 drop backs by Deshaun Watson who did not have a good game. There's other issues too but this is as big as any for me.
If there is a bright spot - maybe KS has learned something? Anytime I was looking Njoku was chipping TJ Watt to slow him down. Last year he didn't do that so maybe there is improvement? But then again maybe he knew what he was doing last year too. If he knew it's horrible - if he didn't know it's horrible, no good perspective on that I guess.
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There are no silver linings. Even if Stefanski has a positive or two, he's a bottom five head coach. That's who your owner is rolling with next year.
Then I think it's pretty clear the only difference between Watson and Baker is athleticism. Neither have any idea what they are doing post snap unless the play cuts the field and number of reads in half.
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Sorry Jake, not playing the Bears next year buddy.
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Used to be the Raiders, now it seems like we play the Jets every year. Two moribund franchises.
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Sorry Jake, not playing the Bears next year buddy. Why would they not play the Bears? That is who the Browns are in line to play with the additional 17th game.
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Sorry Jake, not playing the Bears next year buddy. Why would they not play the Bears? That is who the Browns are in line to play with the additional 17th game. No crap. I obviously haven't been paying attention. Didn't even realize the 17th game was interconference. Thanks for the correction.
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Stefanski meeting with press tomorrow, so I assume he is safe.
In other news, it looks like the Browns fired Bernie Kosar.
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Today's game vs Pit is exactly why I have serious reservations about KS. Same in game mistakes as we've seen every year. 12 runs by Nick Chubb the best RB in the NFL - at 6+ yards per carry. 35 drop backs by Deshaun Watson who did not have a good game. There's other issues too but this is as big as any for me.
If there is a bright spot - maybe KS has learned something? Anytime I was looking Njoku was chipping TJ Watt to slow him down. Last year he didn't do that so maybe there is improvement? But then again maybe he knew what he was doing last year too. If he knew it's horrible - if he didn't know it's horrible, no good perspective on that I guess. You missed the 7 sacks allowed today by the best OL in football. That's 16 sacks in 2 games played in Pittsburgh the last 2 years by a Stefanski led offense. I guess that chipping saved 2 sacks this year. Two straight years with a losing record, tied for last in 2021 - all alone in last in 2022. Pittsburgh, however, has now went 19 seasons without a losing season and they did it this year with a rookie QB. If you want to know why the Browns are in last place in the AFC North, look no further than the comparison of the HC's. Weakest HC, worst record in the division - proven over the last 3 years record: PIT 30-20-1, 2 playoff app; BAL 30-22, 2 playoff app; CIN 29-23-1, 2 playoff app & 1 Super Bowl; Cleveland 27-24, 1 playoff app.
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Get Rid of Depodesta! This team is so OVER Analytic it is sickening. Joe Woods failed D Philosophy where are LB's weigh 215 lbs and bounce off running backs, our DT's are 290 and get pushed around everywhere needs to go as well. I will give Kevin 1 more year, but the game plan today was pure horseschitt. When Chubb only carries 12 times in any game we are gonna lose. It would not suprise me he was canned in the next month due to not wanting to make changes. I am sure he is FRUSTRATED again this week.
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3 seasons and a down going trend.
What have Stefanski done to justify him to stay as a HC another season? Please tell me those of you who still believe in him.
My opinion is that only ignorant or stupids continue with the same leadership and HC when the trend is that we getting worse and worse two season in row. If we want to get the best out of Watson a new HC/OC is a MUST.
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It's a sad season for Browns' fans when Pittsburgh starts a rookie QB for most of the season and their best defensive player (Watt) misses half the year yet the Browns finish 2 games behind them in the standings. Sometimes I wonder where we would be right now if the NFL had awarded the franchise to a different ownership group.
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I'm really wondering if Stefanski doesn't want to be here and is screwing the pooch on purpose. If he's fired, he get's to keep the guaranteed money. He sure doesn't look like he's emotionally invested.
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My opinion is that only ignorant or stupids continue with the same leadership and HC when the trend is that we getting worse and worse two season in row. Ahhhh.........name calling.
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My opinion is that only ignorant or stupids continue with the same leadership and HC when the trend is that we getting worse and worse two season in row. Ahhhh.........name calling. Just give me your opinion why he should stay/go and why in a few power points. Three seasons should be enough to give a proper evaluation.
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Every year has been worse since teams were allowed to have a training camp. Haslam has to be the worst owner in history. Only that idiot will give stefanski this many years of progressively being worse despite the team being healthy at the skill positions the whole season. Then again he is the same owner that gave Hue that much time
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.....but more importantly the extremely slow start by Watson. It was made a point that the 300-day layoff is being used as a crutch...... More like 700+, but who's counting? That number is a fallacy too. Every QB in the NFL has roughly 8 months off every year between live game starts. To include 16 months or approximately 480 days that every single player in the NFL also had off between starts is excuse looking. Watson missed about 220 possible playing days between starts - the other 480 days every player misses.
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