Who said they didn't? We know trump didn't. We also know it was the people who found the documents in that building that contacted the national archives to report they had them and turned them over immediately. Voluntarily. Why would they do that in order to hold on to more? Why would they bring attention on themselves needlessly that way? Sometimes you have to look at what makes sense and what doesn't. And yes, just ignore the rest of it.
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Or, maybe just look at the facts. Biden took, and kept classified documents, just as trump did. I don't see the outrage from the left about biden doing it. Hmmm... What I see is excuses.
Look at the Trumpian Hoopleheads trying to compare Biden's attorneys finding docs that they were sent to check for to Trump's lying, hiding, and stealing of sensitive information. And I would go along with cracking down on these things, but Trump's crime was blatant and is ongoing. Biden's 'crime' is making sure he didn't have any issues going forward with Trump about to be prosecuted. I don't care if GOPers find the evidence to send Biden to jail, Joe, or Hunter, but I'll be damned if that gets Trump off the hook. Trump needs to die behind bars at this point.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Or, maybe just look at the facts. Biden took, and kept classified documents, just as trump did. I don't see the outrage from the left about biden doing it. Hmmm... What I see is excuses.
NO. Biden apparently had docs at the think tank; call me when they find them all over his home and businesses. Trump's crime is nowhere near the same level as Biden's having some docs at a think tank. Trump's actions were intentional, and eventually we'll probably find out he sold state secrets. Unfortunately, he'll probably be dead by then.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
No, I'm not making excuses for Biden; I'm saying not one bit of this matters regarding Trump deserving jail time. Do what you want with the Bidens. Trump deserves jail time at a minimum IMO. Personally, I think traitors should be hanged. And I don't think people who voted for traitors should be trusted, either. You and your ilk think they have a gotcha moment over this. Lmao. Haven't you figured out the left is NOT AFRAID to hold our politicians accountable? It's the right that won't prosecute their traitorous trash-ass politicians. And the left will cooperate with any investigation and prosecute any REAL wrongdoing in this Biden docs case, fully and fairly, working with GOPers if need be. When you can say that about Rs, you can throw shade; until then, you can't.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Or, maybe just look at the facts. Biden took, and kept classified documents, just as trump did. I don't see the outrage from the left about biden doing it. Hmmm... What I see is excuses.
I'm not sure what part of this you're missing....
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There certainly should be an investigation as to how they got there and if they have been kept secure. If they find anything of value in those investigations, investigations should expand from there.
First the facts must be established as to who took them. Thus far we don't know that. We certainly know they ended up in his office. That's not making excuses in case you missed something. We don't know if those documents were ordered by Biden to be taken. I also didn't see any outrage when Trump intentionally lied about having such documents. When it was demanded he turn them over he only turned over a small fraction of them and lied by claiming that's all of them he had. That he refused to comply with a subpoena by continuing to withhold hundreds more of them.
If a connection can be made that Biden ordered or hid these documents as my above comments suggest, further investigations of Biden should move forward. Thus far you have claimed that "Biden took them" which has not been established as a fact.
Maybe you can explain how me saying investigations should begin and go where the evidence of those investigations leads is an excuse? Because it's not.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The DOJ should charge Biden and trump on the same day. Just to be fair. Let the chips fall where they may. Watch how fast Hunter’s laptop is forgotten.
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
Nah. I'm pretty sure that proof of defying subpoenas, claiming you turned over all of the documents when you still kept hundreds of them and forcing the FBI's hand into having to issue a search warrant in order to get them would bring about at least some form of outrage. By anyone that pays attention to that kind of thing of course.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Biden’s legal team found another batch of government records in search of second location
President Joe Biden’s legal team found another batch of government records in a search of a second location, according to people briefed on the matter.
The discovery came during searches that followed the initial discovery in November of classified documents from Biden’s time as vice president at his former think tank office. That effort led to the discovery of additional documents of interest to federal officials reviewing the matter, one of the sources said.
NBC first reported the new batch of documents and said they included classified documents.
The discovery of the classified documents in November set off alarm bells inside the White House, where only a small circle of advisers and lawyers were aware of the matter. An effort was launched to search other locations where documents from Biden’s time as vice president may have been stored.
The White House declined to comment on the matter.
Earlier on Wednesday, the White House refused to answer a number of critical questions about the classified documents from Biden’s time as vice president discovered inside a private office last fall, citing an ongoing Department of Justice review.
The documents were discovered on November 2, just six days before the midterm elections, but the president’s attorneys only publicly acknowledged the discovery of the documents on Monday – when news reports about the discovery broke.
The government materials were found while closing out a Washington, DC-based office – the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. The items discovered include 10 classified documents including US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.
Biden said Tuesday that he did not know that some classified documents had been taken to his private office after he had left the vice presidency and that his attorneys “did what they should have done” by immediately contacting the National Archives and Records Administration after the documents were found in November.
The documents, the president said, were found in “a box, locked cabinet – or at least a closet.”
Still, key questions about the situation remain unanswered.
White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre refused to answer a number questions about the documents, citing the Justice Department’s ongoing review of the matter. She could not say who brought the documents into the office or whether other documents were found. Nor could she say whether an audit was underway to locate other possible documents or when the president had been briefed on the discovery of the documents.
She also could not provide assurances there weren’t any additional classified materials in any other offices.
“This is under review by the Department of Justice. I’m not going to go beyond what the president shared yesterday,” Jean-Pierre said, repeating the explanation in so many words over the course of Wednesday’s press briefing. “I’m not going to go beyond what my colleagues at the White House counsel shared with all of you as well.”
The situation has triggered criticism by Republicans, who argue that the federal government has set a political double standard in their approach to mishandled documents. But there is a stark contrast between the emerging scenario with Biden and the ongoing saga with former President Donald Trump – who, for instance, resisted turning over the documents in his possession. Trump’s legal team now believes they will benefit from the revelation that Biden had classified documents in his possession after he left office, multiple sources say.
On Wednesday, Jean-Pierre could not answer critical questions about why Biden or his lawyers did not disclose the discovery to the public earlier, especially given the timing ahead of the 2022 elections.
Jean-Pierre did say she’d spoken with Biden about the unfolding story as they were traveling in Mexico earlier this week. But she said she hadn’t spoken to the president about the documents themselves.
Pressed on whether the way the situation has played out has undercut the president’s longstanding public commitment to transparency, Jean-Pierre responded, “When his lawyers realized that these documents were there, they turned them over to the Archives. They did the right thing.”
Attorney General Merrick Garland has asked the US attorney in Chicago to review the matter, a source familiar with the matter previously told CNN, a process that is still in a preliminary stage.
That US attorney, John Lausch Jr., has already completed the initial part of his inquiry, a source familiar with his work told CNN. He has provided his preliminary findings to Garland, the source said.
That means Garland now faces a critical decision on how to proceed, including whether to open a full-blown criminal investigation. Garland was also personally involved in some of the key decision-making related to the Trump documents investigation and the decision to send the FBI to search Mar-a-Lago.
Trump’s legal team has argued privately that the revelation of the documents in Biden’s possession puts Garland in a tough position of deciding whether to appoint a special counsel.
While Republicans and Trump’s allies have drawn comparisons between the two, Trump had several hundred documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence and resisted the government’s efforts to retrieve them while Biden’s attorneys turned the documents over the day after finding them. Yet Trump’s legal team has discussed the matter internally and ultimately believes it will help their legal case, including their argument about how easy it is for former presidents to take documents labeled classified when they leave office.
“This is huge for us,” one source close to the legal team told CNN.
The White House is also facing bipartisan scrutiny from the Senate Intelligence Committee, the leaders of which sent a letter to Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines asking for access to the documents found at Biden’s private office, a spokesperson for Sen. Marco Rubio told CNN.
The letter from Rubio and the committee’s chairman, Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, also requests the DNI provide a damage assessment as well as a briefing on both the documents found at Biden’s office and those recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence, the spokesperson added.
Warner and Rubio submitted a nearly identical request for information following the Mar-a-Lago raid.
Blocking those who argue to argue, eliminates the argument.
Oh, come on now. It was only 12 documents in 1 place...........wait, there's more? In a different place? Eh, move along, nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see at all.
Reported by CNN no less. And they involve Ukraine? As per Cnn
At least the president knew this, even though he didn't know he had the documents in the first case: " the president said, were found in “a box, locked cabinet – or at least a closet.”
But now more documents, in a different location?
But again, ask the libs - this is totally different, right?
Yesterday we were told all the documents were found and returned, yet today we learn of MORE in a different place. Has to make one wonder how many got sold, how many more there are and where, and when the FBI starts raiding biden's homes.
Oh, come on now. It was only 12 documents in 1 place...........wait, there's more? In a different place? Eh, move along, nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see at all.
Reported by CNN no less. And they involve Ukraine? As per Cnn
At least the president knew this, even though he didn't know he had the documents in the first case: " the president said, were found in “a box, locked cabinet – or at least a closet.”
But now more documents, in a different location?
But again, ask the libs - this is totally different, right?
Yesterday we were told all the documents were found and returned, yet today we learn of MORE in a different place. Has to make one wonder how many got sold, how many more there are and where, and when the FBI starts raiding biden's homes.
There is plenty to see here. Biden is just as guilty for taking classified documents as trump is. And I don’t think the media is downplaying anything as you suggest. Otherwise they wouldn’t cover it as much as they do. Meanwhile the extreme Fox News is covering Biden’s case more than they did trump’s case. And according to trump a sitting president can’t be indicted for anything, remember? And I feel sorry for your ignorance about how trump lied to the FBI, DOJ and the Nation archives on his possession of classified documents. You know the big difference between the two cases.
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
It is odd isn't it? The liberal media is reporting it. In fact the very article Super posted was CNN. I've seen stories about it on NBC and CBS as well. And I didn't see any of them downplay it. Not only I but others have said there needs to be an investigation. And arch is still acting like nobody thinks it's a big deal.
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Eh, move along, nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see at all.
What a crock of BS.
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But again, ask the libs - this is totally different, right?
And as has been pointed out to him, yes the circumstances around what happened are very different. Nobody had to issue a subpoena to get these documents. Nobody refused to comply with a subpoena and lied about having additional documents to the point that a search warrant had to be issued to get the documents.
So yes, in many ways this is different. But somehow that seems to go over arches head.
But in both cases documents were taken that should not have been taken. An investigation of this should certainly move forward. I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise no matter the tantrum we are all witnessing.
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I wonder if any of this has to do with any "significant and voluminous evidence", possessed by the FBI, of potential criminal conduct by James and Hunter Biden?
typical Goper’s get the pass while sensationalizing the same crime on the opposition. So you can stop with the “nothing to see here” crap, because Goper’s have been playing that game for years.
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A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
Yeah that's it. Claiming it's my fault you have shown your hypocrisy between the two is your last ditch, desperation move to deny it. But then when that's all you have left who could blame you?
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Sleepy Joe: "How could that possibly happen? How could anyone be that irresponsible? Just... totally irresponsible." 🤣
Biden, intimately involved in the raid... said he knew nothing, then the truth came out. #liarinchief
Anyone find it strange that the National Archives initiates an outright raid on Trump. But says nothing about Biden's documents 'til after the midterms... Like, buries the story lol.
Oh, come on now. It was only 12 documents in 1 place...........wait, there's more? In a different place? Eh, move along, nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see at all.
Reported by CNN no less. And they involve Ukraine? As per Cnn
At least the president knew this, even though he didn't know he had the documents in the first case: " the president said, were found in “a box, locked cabinet – or at least a closet.”
But now more documents, in a different location?
But again, ask the libs - this is totally different, right?
Yesterday we were told all the documents were found and returned, yet today we learn of MORE in a different place. Has to make one wonder how many got sold, how many more there are and where, and when the FBI starts raiding biden's homes.
What did Biden and his team do when informed of the existence of these documents? They immediately turned them in. Both times. No arguments, yelling, screaming, lying.. Nothing. He just turned them in. What did Trump do? Trump accused the FBI of planting them. Then he demanded them back. Think about that,,,, he says the FBI planted them but he wants them back..?
Biden isn't mounting any defense attempting to blame anyone else.. That's all Trump does,, Blame everyone but himself.
Is there a difference,, YEAH.. There is a difference in the way each is handling the situation.
Having said that, if Biden stole those docs, then whatever jail they send trump too, Biden ought to be in the cell next door.
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I really don’t think either will go to jail for having classified documents. But lying to the FBI and DOJ. And just basically not cooperating with their investigation should require some jail time.
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
So now the CIA is involved in some coverup? Can you tell me if what the CIA said was inaccurate? I have no idea if it is or not. But then I don't think you do either.
You are posting here on this board. It would seem logical that you are addressing the posters on this board. You have now qualified that as of now you aren't.
Could you explain to me what is incorrect or misleading about the fact it was a small amount of documents?
Most certainly the goal post is that both are wrong. That is the entire premise these discussions are based on is the actual goal post here. There are certainly many differences in how those two cases were handled and conducted beyond that however. Pointing that out isn't moving the goal post. Pointing out that some totally ignored the first instance and focus on the second instance isn't moving the goal post.
As it pertains to the posters on this board I haven't seen anyone claim that in both cases having possession of top secret documents isn't wrong. I haven't seen anyone claim that Biden shouldn't be investigated just like trump was. Of course you will have fringe elements on both sides that try to minimize the wrongdoing depending on their political leanings. But that is the exception to the rule and not the rule itself.
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Didn't say the CIA was involved in a cover-up. And yes, that was a statement from the CIA to CNN. I'll get you the link if you want, so you can further psychoanalyze the simple premise... They seem to think it is no big deal.
JUST HOW FAR down a rabbit-hole do you want to go to prove that everything I said was disingenuous because of the simple statement... "Nothing to see here!"??
Just because I make a statement about the pulse of the media and world... and disparity between treatment from president to president, doesn't mean I'm accusing "posters here" of anything. Hell, Former CIA Director Michael Hayden seemed to endorse the execution of former president Donald Trump if Nuclear documents were found. You know, back when everyone was screaming "Nuclear documents!"... for absolutely no reason at all.
I'm pointing out hypocrisy, and the constant downplaying of poor Joe's role in his own hypocrisy. I don't need to qualify that to whether posters here are doing that or not.
no outrage shown on right wing media outlets when trump was found holding classified docs or lying to the National Archives, FBI and DOJ. Nothing to see there right?
Goper’s pffft.
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
These cases shouldn't be compared. They should be investigated and prosecuted separately on their own merits. Finger pointing between the children in office and the media just takes the focus off of the seriousness of these crimes. Yes, they are crimes.....these classified documents were stolen and in the private possession of ex office holders who had clearance and access to them while in office.
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no outrage shown on right wing media outlets when trump was found holding classified docs or lying to the National Archives, FBI and DOJ. Nothing to see there right?