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Posted By: OldColdDawg Biden Admin - 09/21/22 04:43 AM
Biden endorses bill to disclose super PAC donors: ‘Dark money erodes’ trust

President Biden on Tuesday endorsed legislation to disclose super PAC donors, arguing that so-called dark money erodes public trust.

“Dark money erodes public trust. We need to protect public trust and I’m determined to do that,” Biden said in remarks at the White House. “Dark money has become so common in our politics. I believe sunlight is the best disinfectant.”

The Disclose Act would require super PACs and other dark money groups to report those who contribute $10,000 or more during an election season.

Biden mentioned a recent $1.6 billion donation to a political advocacy group, the largest donation to such an entity in U.S. history, from a conservative activist who had worked to overturn Roe v. Wade. The donation was only discovered because of reporting from The New York Times.

“There’s much too much money that flows in the shadows to influence our elections. It’s called dark money. It’s hidden. Right now, advocacy groups can run ads on issues attacking or supporting a candidate right until Election Day without disclosing who’s paying for that ad,” he said.

Biden also noted that foreign entities use dark money loopholes to try to influence U.S. elections. The president said that he has proposed publicly funding all U.S. elections but that he doesn’t “have the support for that position,” calling this bill a second position “that is very good.”

Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on Monday that the chamber will vote later this week on the bill, which was introduced by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) in April.

Biden urged Republicans to vote for the legislation.

“Getting dark money out of our politics has been a bipartisan issue in the past,” he said, noting that the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) fought for campaign finance reform.

Without support from at least 10 Republicans, the legislation will fail in the Senate because it won’t receive the 60 votes needed to overcome the legislative filibuster.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...uper-pac-donors-dark-money-erodes-trust/

GOPers couldn't imagine elections without dark money. This legislation has ZERO chance, but is much needed.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/21/22 05:07 AM
I love the idea, but it will fail. There are Dems who receive dark money as well, so I can’t see it getting over 50 senate votes, let alone 60.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/21/22 10:57 AM
This is one time I could get behind aborting something grin Abort Dark Money
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 09/21/22 11:15 AM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
I love the idea, but it will fail. There are Dems who receive dark money as well, so I can’t see it getting over 50 senate votes, let alone 60.

I agree, but he is probably only talking about some. Plus, him talking about dark money is funny.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 09/21/22 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by dawglover05
I love the idea, but it will fail. There are Dems who receive dark money as well, so I can’t see it getting over 50 senate votes, let alone 60.

I agree, but he is probably only talking about some. Plus, him talking about dark money is funny.


I agree too. I hope it passes!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 09/21/22 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by dawglover05
I love the idea, but it will fail. There are Dems who receive dark money as well, so I can’t see it getting over 50 senate votes, let alone 60.

I agree, but he is probably only talking about some. Plus, him talking about dark money is funny.

I agree that it will never pass because dark money is a two way street among some, but not all. And why do you think it's funny Peen? Do you have any evidence
Biden has received dark money or is it just another hunch you have?
Posted By: BpG Re: Biden Admin - 09/21/22 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
I love the idea, but it will fail. There are Dems who receive dark money as well, so I can’t see it getting over 50 senate votes, let alone 60.

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Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 12:34 AM


Even worse....




Can someone help this poor guy?



Also, he should not be running the country. I'd rather have Harris at this point. Smh
Posted By: BpG Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 02:25 PM
It's sad honestly. I thought Trump was propped up with uppers and Adderall, they must have a stick up Bidens backside. This job is just way too much for a man this old.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 02:38 PM
Given the only two legitimate choices given, the majority of Americans saw it as the lesser of two evils. After watching the nastiness, vindictiveness and generally hateful man that was leading the nation at the time, it's obvious there was no good choice.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 02:45 PM
She just died in August. shocked


People around these parts were touched by the heartfelt message from the White House...


Statement from President Biden on the Passing of Congresswoman Jackie Walorski of Indiana
AUGUST 03, 2022

STATEMENTS AND RELEASES
Jill and I are shocked and saddened by the death of Congresswoman Jackie Walorski of Indiana along with two members of her staff in a car accident today in Indiana.

Born in her beloved South Bend as the daughter of a meat-cutter and firefighter, she spent a lifetime serving the community that she grew up in – as a journalist, a nonprofit director, a state legislator, and eventually as a Member of Congress for the past nine and half years.

We may have represented different parties and disagreed on many issues, but she was respected by members of both parties for her work on the House Ways and Means Committee on which she served. She also served as co-chair of the House Hunger Caucus, and my team and I appreciated her partnership as we plan for a historic White House Conference on Hunger, Nutrition, and Health this fall that will be marked by her deep care for the needs of rural America.

We send our deepest condolences to her husband, Dean, to the families of her staff members, Zachery Potts and Emma Thomson, who lost their lives in public service, and to the people of Indiana’s Second District who lost a representative who was one of their own.



There is no way Biden can be serious about running for reelection. This is just sad to watch.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
it's obvious there was no good choice.

Right. So what do we get next time?

Trump v $hillary part deux?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 02:55 PM
That's very concerning. I'm hoping he doesn't rerun in 2024, but I don't know who else would be a good option in that party...in either party, really.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 03:01 PM
Your guess is as good as mine. At this point it seems most American voters aren't concerned about the quality of the candidates when looking at who they have been nominating. I have no idea when it comes to the democrats. My guess on the republican side is DeSantis. He's the closest thing they could nominate to another trump. I mean he pwns the dems pretty good and thus far it seems that's all that really matters to them. I certainly don't want to see Biden in the running again like most everyone else.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 03:03 PM
Please don't speak that into existence. If I had to take a guess, though, it'll be DeSantis who gets the nod. I think he's biding his time. If I had a gun to my head, I would bet it's DeSantis vs. Harris.

So, once again, barf.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
it's obvious there was no good choice.

Right. So what do we get next time?

Trump v $hillary part deux?

I hope Biden bows out and John Fetterman runs. I'd even be good with Newsome. But Fetterman relates better with the working class. Also, honorable mention for Katie Porter, she would make an outstanding POTUS or VP.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 10:01 PM
Fetterman will have to win PA first. After that, he'll have to make himself notable on the national stage to have a chance. I have to admit, I'd like to see a presidential debate with a guy wearing a hoodie.

I don't like Newsome. I feel like him getting nailed at an outdoor mask-less dinner at The French Laundry (great place btw) while mandating strict COVID rules for everyone else puts him in a Pelosi-esque light to me. He seems to be one of those champagne socialist types who doesn't practice what he preaches. I could be wrong, though.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 10:31 PM
Newsome is an idiot. He’s a rich kid grown up. He acts like he came from a ‘regular’ background but his dad was a state appeals court judge and the administrator of the Getty family trust.
He’s never had dirty nails or sweat on his brow from labor. He’s bourgeois… and an idiot. I’ve heard enough interviews with him, Oregon being a border state with Cali and all, and he’s proven himself a mental simpleton unable to chew gum and walk at the same time.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 10:43 PM
You just dictated my own thoughts better than I did.
Posted By: Jester Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 10:50 PM
Fetterman has to show that he has no significant residual deficits from the stroke.
He has failed to do that to date which is what I think is holding him back from running away with the PA race
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 10:57 PM
Off topic, but bears a little relevance.

Last election, my son (huge Bernie Bros at the time) kept trying to sell me polling info, I kept telling him the polls were all hogwash and pointed to 2016. "If you want to get the real pulse, check the Vegas odds, they'll be much more accurate".

We did, and I almost placed a bet. I wanted to put a bill on Warren at +1800, and a bill on Biden at +1100. My whole theory was based on the fact that there was no way the establishment would let Bernie win the nomination (again). You couldn't hedge (at the time) on Trump because he was -250 and would eat all of your profit... but I reasoned those odds would improve dramatically once the primaries decided on the democrat. And you could wait as long as you wanted for the best odds leading up to the election. They did, dramatically... Trump was +200 in late October, meaning I lost the prospect of stupid easy money with absolutely no risk.

I reasoned, going forward, that this would be an ongoing "edge" whenever an incumbent could run for a second term. Unfortunately, Biden is too much of a lame duck to inflate the odds on the other side. Right now, Trump is +250 and DeSantis is +325... Luckily, I've been watching -- and locked in DeSantis at +1100, two short months ago.


Now that anybody who's reading is wondering why... Seeing the changes in the odds on the other side tells me that Vegas "think" is definitely trending toward Gavin Newsome on the other side. His odds have dropped more than anyone else. I'm about to hop on while he's still at +1400. rofl

Blue needs lightning in a bottle. Biden and Harris are both candles in the wind. Fetterman is a cigar looking for a pack of matches. Newsome, as terrible as he is, may be the only option at catching lightning.


US Presidential Election 2024 Futures | Winner

Donald Trump
+250

Ron DeSantis
+325

Joe Biden
+500

Gavin Newsom
+1400

Kamala Harris
+1400

Mike Pence
+2000

Nikki Haley
+2000

Pete Buttigieg
+2500
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/29/22 11:56 PM
I already said I believed DeSantis would be the R nominee, but I’m very surprised he’s that close to Trump in the odds.

I’m still going to act like it was an innovative plot twist that only I predicted, though.

;p
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:40 AM
I don't think Trump or Desantis will be the R nominee in 24. They are going to be in jail if there is any justice left in this country. I fully expect a new face, more moderate, pulling the party back toward sanity. And most of the 100+ Q-MAGAts in congress will have been run out of Washington. Hell, there might not even be a Republican party in two years at the rate they are going. They are already labeled as domestic terrorists under MAGAts control. If they try to steal another election, I could see them being destroyed.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
I don't think Trump or Desantis will be the R nominee in 24. They are going to be in jail...

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Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:44 AM
Can't imagine that? I can. They're both under fed investigation for crimes that could put them behind bars for at least 20 years. So laugh all you want, I bet I laugh last.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 10:28 AM
With the choices we will be stuck with again in 2024 we should all be crying instead of laughing.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 10:35 AM
I saw something where 56% of the people are concerned about the Presidents mental capacity. To me the more concerning aspect of that total is that 44% aren't concerned.

Think about that.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 10:58 AM
You're surprised? After Trump? Really? He could have a lobotomy, walk around soaked in his own bodily fluid, and not be able to do anything other than mumble AND still be a better POTUS. So, no, not that concerned. GOPers trying hard though, I'll give you that.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I saw something where 56% of the people are concerned about the Presidents mental capacity. To me the more concerning aspect of that total is that 44% aren't concerned.

Think about that.

Ironic that you never showed any doubt about the former POTUS and his fitness for office and his actions and words ...
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
US Presidential Election 2024 Futures | Winner

Donald Trump
+250

Ron DeSantis
+325

Joe Biden
+500

Gavin Newsom
+1400

Kamala Harris
+1400

Mike Pence
+2000

Nikki Haley
+2000

Pete Buttigieg
+2500

Doesn't that make any thinking person of any political persuasion feel absolutely nauseous ? 🤮
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 12:13 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
You're surprised? After Trump? Really? He could have a lobotomy, walk around soaked in his own bodily fluid, and not be able to do anything other than mumble AND still be a better POTUS. So, no, not that concerned. GOPers trying hard though, I'll give you that.


Let's pretend Trump doesn't exist and remove him from any equation...

Do you still want Biden to be running the country given everything he has said in the last few months?

Personally, I am at the point where Biden is not mentally capable and Harris should take over as POTUS.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
You're surprised? After Trump? Really? He could have a lobotomy, walk around soaked in his own bodily fluid, and not be able to do anything other than mumble AND still be a better POTUS. So, no, not that concerned. GOPers trying hard though, I'll give you that.


Let's pretend Trump doesn't exist and remove him from any equation...

Do you still want Biden to be running the country given everything he has said in the last few months?

Personally, I am at the point where Biden is not mentally capable and Harris should take over as POTUS.

US Presidential Election 2024 Futures | Winner

Donald Trump
+250


Sure let's imagine that the favorite to win the next election doesn't exist. While we are at it we can imagine unlimited energy and a world without violence or bad people.

Personally I'd take an amoeba over Trump.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:10 PM
Personally I'm sick and tired of both parties running out piece of sheet candidates.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:22 PM
Me too. Some are worse than others though .... unless Biden tries to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and tries to undermine confidence in safe elections.
Posted By: Jester Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:22 PM
I am hoping Larry Hogan the term limited Governor of Maryland runs and wins.


Another R that i like is Sununu, the Governor of New Hampshire. But I dont think there is any xhance he will run in 2024

As for Dems, I actually like Roy Cooper the Governor of NC
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:23 PM
Pretty certain I heard an interview with Larry Hogan - and he was impressive. Easily more competent than anyone on that list of odds to win the election.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:43 PM
j/c:

It's a shame there isn't a serious Libertarian candidate anywhere to be seen.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 01:50 PM


Clowns and sheep.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
You're surprised? After Trump? Really? He could have a lobotomy, walk around soaked in his own bodily fluid, and not be able to do anything other than mumble AND still be a better POTUS. So, no, not that concerned. GOPers trying hard though, I'll give you that.

Hold on.

You're NOT concerned about Biden's mental capacity... and your reason is "because Trump"??
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie


Clowns and sheep.

Oh c'mon - that's flat our funny right there.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 02:15 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie


Clowns and sheep.

Oh c'mon - that's flat our funny right there.

It is funny...and sad. It reminds me of a bunch of people on here.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
I don't think Trump or Desantis will be the R nominee in 24. They are going to be in jail if there is any justice left in this country. I fully expect a new face, more moderate, pulling the party back toward sanity. And most of the 100+ Q-MAGAts in congress will have been run out of Washington. Hell, there might not even be a Republican party in two years at the rate they are going. They are already labeled as domestic terrorists under MAGAts control. If they try to steal another election, I could see them being destroyed.

I hope you're right. I doubt it, but I hope so anyway.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 02:29 PM
Unfortunately it all reminds me of Zelensky's address to our Congress a few months ago. Looked like he was the weekly entertainment to a nursing home.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 02:32 PM
Trying to keep up.

Why should Desantis be in jail??
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Jester
I am hoping Larry Hogan the term limited Governor of Maryland runs and wins.


Another R that i like is Sununu, the Governor of New Hampshire. But I dont think there is any xhance he will run in 2024

As for Dems, I actually like Roy Cooper the Governor of NC

Lol Sununu. He talks a good game…but I lived in NH for 17 years. He’s totally screwed the state on many levels. Wouldn’t give tax breaks to motorists as gas prices skyrocketed. Cut off PPE early that were to go to workers laid off, residents, and small businesses and redirected millions to his own pet projects. Plus he’s for implementing state income taxes and raising property taxes in NH. I don’t think he has a chance but who knows. Crazy GOPer’s will kiss a toad hoping for a Prince or King.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Trying to keep up.

Why should Desantis be in jail??

Illegally transferring asylum seekers (who were legally in the USA) without notice from one state to another state. But the party of law and order only want to prosecute democrats when they do something illegal. So don’t you worry your little head, Desantis is safe.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by FATE
Trying to keep up.

Why should Desantis be in jail??

Illegally transferring asylum seekers (who were legally in the USA) without notice from one state to another state. But the party of law and order only want to prosecute democrats when they do something illegal. So don’t you worry your little head, Desantis is safe.


Why is it illegal? Id like to see that law
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 05:25 PM
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.

Smh. It's just about attempt to fight back against Texas or FL. Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?


Not sure what party you think I'm affiliated with...
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.

Smh. It's just about attempt to fight back against Texas or FL. Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?


Not sure what party you think I'm affiliated with...

Whatever party I don’t care. It was illegal to do what they did.

It’s Texas and Florida’s governors responsibility to follow the letter of the law and not involve themselves into a illegal human trafficking stunt like this.

Quote
Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?

They aren’t responsible for housing these people as you call them. They are all willing to work for their own housing. How do you think Desantis lured them away to Massachusetts? For work! All while Florida, Texas, and basically everywhere else, businesses are literally crying out loud to get workers.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
You're surprised? After Trump? Really? He could have a lobotomy, walk around soaked in his own bodily fluid, and not be able to do anything other than mumble AND still be a better POTUS. So, no, not that concerned. GOPers trying hard though, I'll give you that.

Hold on.

You're NOT concerned about Biden's mental capacity... and your reason is "because Trump"??

I'm very concerned. But certainly in the event you are forced to choose between someone with a mental imparity and a psychopath the choice becomes much easier to make.

Sadly that's what it boiled down to and may boil down to yet again.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.

Smh. It's just about attempt to fight back against Texas or FL. Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?


rofl

And the Jan 6th rioters were just trying to prevent a stolen election ! rofl
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.

Smh. It's just about attempt to fight back against Texas or FL. Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?


Not sure what party you think I'm affiliated with...

You must have missed it. Florida is not a border state. Immigrants travel to every state. These people weren't in Florida, they were in Texas. DeSantis actually sent people to Texas and recruited them to fly them to Florida first. I'm not as sure that's a crime as some are but let's not pretend Florida is some huge victim of immigration any more than other non border states. It was nothing more than a political stunt.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.

Smh. It's just about attempt to fight back against Texas or FL. Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?


rofl

And the Jan 6th rioters were just trying to prevent a stolen election ! rofl

Idk. It seemed like one of those peaceful protests we are use to seeing.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.

Smh. It's just about attempt to fight back against Texas or FL. Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?


Not sure what party you think I'm affiliated with...

Whatever party I don’t care. It was illegal to do what they did.

It’s Texas and Florida’s governors responsibility to follow the letter of the law and not involve themselves into a illegal human trafficking stunt like this.

Quote
Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?

They aren’t responsible for housing these people as you call them. They are all willing to work for their own housing. How do you think Desantis lured them away to Massachusetts? For work! All while Florida, Texas, and basically everywhere else, businesses are literally crying out loud to get workers.


He hasn't been charged yet has he?
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:15 PM
Nah…Biden is all there mentally, no doubt in my mind. The GOPers know how to use a handicap like a speech impediment as an excuse that Biden’s mental capacity is waning. It works on sheep.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:15 PM
And O.J. is innocent.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:17 PM
Of course not. He’s part of the party of law and order. That was the point of my posts. Geez. GOP’ers
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:18 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.

Smh. It's just about attempt to fight back against Texas or FL. Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?


Not sure what party you think I'm affiliated with...

You must have missed it. Florida is not a border state.


Florida is definitely border state... So is Ohio.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:25 PM
Oh dear God. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. If you are that's probably the best way to avoid the fact that Florida doesn't border Mexico like Texas and Arizona do and that DeSantis actually shipped these people in from Texas on a private flight at Florida tax payers expense so he could than send them to Martha's Vineyard.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Typical response from the party of law and order. Lol…Look it up you have the internet. Search “human trafficking”.

Smh. It's just about attempt to fight back against Texas or FL. Why is it FL or TX responsibility to house these people?


Not sure what party you think I'm affiliated with...

You must have missed it. Florida is not a border state.


Florida is definitely border state... So is Ohio.

Yeah Cuban’s by the hundreds swim there everyday. And those damn Canucks swimming to Ohio everyday.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Nah…Biden is all there mentally, no doubt in my mind. The GOPers know how to use a handicap like a speech impediment as an excuse that Biden’s mental capacity is waning. It works on sheep.

Speech impediment.

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Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 07:26 PM
I have NEVER understood this 'speech impediment" excuse. Go back ten years - he never had it. yet, it's claimed he had it at a young age. He's got some sort of mental decline going on. Hey, it happens. It's nothing to be ashamed of. My mom is - well, us kids are dealing with it, and my dad is showing signs of it. It happens. Making excuses like "speech impediment" when watching him talk is just shameful.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Nah…Biden is all there mentally, no doubt in my mind. The GOPers know how to use a handicap like a speech impediment as an excuse that Biden’s mental capacity is waning. It works on sheep.

What kind of speech impediment has you looking for someone who has died?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 07:35 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Nah…Biden is all there mentally, no doubt in my mind. The GOPers know how to use a handicap like a speech impediment as an excuse that Biden’s mental capacity is waning. It works on sheep.

What kind of speech impediment has you looking for someone who has died?

At least he didn't try to shake her hand...
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 07:41 PM
“Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.”
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 08:08 PM
Denial. Goalpost. Deflection. Blindfold. Whataboutery.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 09/30/22 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
You're surprised? After Trump? Really? He could have a lobotomy, walk around soaked in his own bodily fluid, and not be able to do anything other than mumble AND still be a better POTUS. So, no, not that concerned. GOPers trying hard though, I'll give you that.


Let's pretend Trump doesn't exist and remove him from any equation...

Do you still want Biden to be running the country given everything he has said in the last few months?

Personally, I am at the point where Biden is not mentally capable and Harris should take over as POTUS.

Ronald Reagan had dementia throughout his second term. Biden hasn't reached that point yet. Even before the election, I argued that Biden is too old to run again and is slipping. In my opinion, Bernie was the better choice, and he still is. The centrists, however, wanted a candidate who would appeal to the donor class, and he would never become President. Then Biden switched up and moved left on them. rofl

My understanding of how bad he is is limited. The media I watch does not harp on it as Faux News does, so I have no clue how bad or good he still functions. I don't think you can write it all off as gaffs, but is he incapable of holding the office in his condition? Eighty million people decided he was in 2020, and I haven't seen any noticeable decline since the pre-2020 debates. I think he can finish his term, even though there have been moments, and probably will be more. However, I do not want him to run in 2024. That's my opinion.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 02:08 AM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Unfortunately it all reminds me of Zelensky's address to our Congress a few months ago. Looked like he was the weekly entertainment to a nursing home.
Too bad we don't have a leader like Z to vote for...
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Trying to keep up.

Why should Desantis be in jail??

Human trafficking, being an idiot, and anything else they can make stick. The guy is a douche and very dangerous. No way in hell that the left accepts Trump 2.0 the worse version.
Posted By: Swish Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 11:29 AM
biden needs to hurry up with the EV charging stations so i can roll up to a biker bar with my EV Harley and get into a fight.

and he needs to focus on these domestic ter.....er, i mean christian nationalist trying to turn this country into a theocracy.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 01:54 PM
Since it’s electric, would you shout out the loud motorcycle exhaust sounds for dramatic effect as you rolled up into the parking lot?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 02:25 PM
He hears you and springs into action. Unfortunately, by the time he gets away from his bowl of Froot Loops and walks down the hall; all he can remember is something about stuffing a bible in an electrical outlet. (Is Harley really making electric hogs??)
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 03:06 PM
Yet somehow he is still managing to get it done.....

Biden Frees Up First Funds For National EV Charging Network

https://www.forbes.com/sites/edgars...nal-ev-charging-network/?sh=52156c27c6a7

Phase one is to fund 900 million to build charging stations in 35 states. I know showing how ridiculous what you're saying is hurts.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 03:45 PM
Somehow my obscure sense of humor is always lost on you.


That's a good move. I was actually surprised it was so low... especially when you compare the 52 billion handed out to manufacturing companies to "figure how to build chips better".

900M divided by $6000 per port (average cost to build) = 150,000 ports. That would be about 3,000 ports per state. Crunching the corruption numbers, I'd say we'll end up at about 300 per with a 90% slush rate. Not that any of that is Biden's fault -- just the world we live in.
Posted By: Swish Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Since it’s electric, would you shout out the loud motorcycle exhaust sounds for dramatic effect as you rolled up into the parking lot?

thats a good question, maybe ill just get a portable speaker and tie it to where the exhaust should be haha
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 04:10 PM
It's only phase one. The infrastructure bill is designed to be spread out over a period of years. The total to be spent on the implementation of these charging stations is 5.8 billion.

And yes, Harley is building EV motorcycles. Both the Livewire 1 and the S2 Del Mar....

Electric Motorcycles & Bikes

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/products/bikes/electric-bikes.html
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 10/01/22 04:52 PM
I'm just glad we're finally on the path to getting this done... long time coming.


Thought this was some very inventive thinking that is a win-win-win...

15,000 Tesla vehicles are already in the hands of Uber drivers through Hertz deal


Hertz wins in the rental market and pushes the envelope for electrification. Uber drivers win by saving hundreds per week in fuel costs, along with a program that includes insurance and maintenance. Tesla wins big with a contract for 100,000 vehicles -- and better than that -- a bunch of people sitting in the back of their vehicles in awe. Had a buddy that rode in one and now plans to buy a Tesla, he was all over social media raving about the ride.
Posted By: Swish Re: Biden Admin - 10/06/22 10:19 PM
Biden pardons all federal offenses of simple marijuana possession in first major steps toward decriminalization

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/06/politics/marijuana-decriminalization-white-house-joe-biden/index.html

Dark Brandon 2024
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/07/22 12:53 AM
Probably makes the men that did 20 years or mandatory minimums for slinging dime bags in the late 80s early 90s really happy. Imagine doing more than a minute for weed. Ridiculous. I blame pearl-clutching GOPers and Christians.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/07/22 01:40 AM
You don't blame the laws?
Posted By: jaybird Re: Biden Admin - 10/07/22 02:13 AM
Good... legalize it and regulate it...
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/07/22 02:58 PM
The laws are certainly to blame. The fact nobody has really done anything in pushing to try and change them is also to blame. Weed is on the same level as heroin and cocaine as a schedule one drug at the federal level. That was done back in 1970 during the Nixon administration and at his urging. No president has taken the steps to try and change it since. So we can blame what happened over 50 years ago or we can blame the faxct that nobody has taken any drastic steps to try and change it since. I think both are things to consider in that equation.
Posted By: Swish Re: Biden Admin - 10/07/22 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
You don't blame the laws?

laws are written by men, correct?
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/08/22 12:24 AM
And so-called lefties have always been potheads, right?
Posted By: tastybrownies Re: Biden Admin - 10/08/22 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Nah…Biden is all there mentally, no doubt in my mind. The GOPers know how to use a handicap like a speech impediment as an excuse that Biden’s mental capacity is waning. It works on sheep.


Dude doesn't even know who's dead or alive.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 10/08/22 01:03 AM
I'm just glad to have an administration that doesn't flaunt the law..
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/08/22 03:04 PM
It seems you prefer a president who says crazy things on purpose rather than one who says crazy things by accident. Because those were the choices.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 10/16/22 05:24 PM
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/bidens-numbers-october-2022-update/

Summary
With the economy on the top of voters’ minds this election year, we take a look at some key statistical measures of how the U.S. has performed under President Joe Biden:

The economy gained 10 million jobs; total employment is now half a million higher than before the pandemic.
Unemployment fell to 3.5%; unfilled job openings surged, with 1.7 slots for every person seeking work.
Inflation roared back to the highest level in over 40 years. Consumer prices are up 13.2%. Gasoline alone rose 64%.
Wages rose briskly, by 9%. But after adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings went down 4.4%.
The economy contracted for two consecutive quarters this year, but after-tax corporate profits set new records.
Apprehensions of those trying to enter the country illegally through the southwest border are up 330% for the past 12 months, compared with President Donald Trump’s last year in office.
The trade deficit continues to expand and could be headed for a record $1 trillion by year’s end.
Household income has gone down slightly.
The number of people receiving food benefits through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program has continued to decline and is now 2.8% lower.
The number of those without health insurance went down by 1.1 million.
The murder rate went up by 0.2 percentage points, though the FBI relied on less data than normal to make the estimate.
Home prices are up 29%, but the homeownership rate remains unchanged.
The administration accepted only 25,465 refugees in fiscal year 2022 that just ended — far fewer than the president’s goal of 125,000.

Analysis
President Joe Biden has been in office for nearly two years, during which time he enacted major pieces of legislation such as the American Rescue Plan Act, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act. He also has been navigating crises both here and abroad, from a surge of migrants at the U.S. southern border to Russia’s war against Ukraine.

Here we provide the best available data to measure how the U.S. has been performing under the Democratic president as voters head to the polls for the midterm elections.

For this report, we have newly released Census Bureau figures on poverty, household income and health insurance, an FBI report on nationwide crime, and handgun production data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, among other things.

As always, we make no judgment as to how much credit or blame any president deserves for changes that happen during his time in office. We leave that for others to decide.

Jobs and Unemployment
The number of people with jobs has increased dramatically since Biden took office, finally surpassing pre-pandemic levels.

Employment — The U.S. economy added 10,001,000 jobs between Biden’s inauguration and September, the latest month for which data are available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. As of September, 514,000 more people had jobs than in February 2020, the peak of employment before COVID-19 forced massive shutdowns and layoffs.

One major category of jobs is still lagging, however. Government employment is still 597,000 jobs short of the pre-pandemic peak — including 309,000 public school teachers and other local education workers.

Unemployment — The unemployment rate fell from 6.4% at the time Biden took office to 3.5% in September — a decline of 2.9 percentage points. The current rate is exactly where it was in the months just before the pandemic.

Since 1948, when BLS began keeping records, the jobless rate has been at or below 3.5% for only 58 months, or 6.5% of the time. Three of those months were during the Trump years, including when the rate hit a low of 3.5% in January and February 2020, just before the pandemic. That was the lowest since the 1960s.

Job Openings — The number of unfilled job openings soared to a record of nearly 11.9 million during Biden’s first 14 months in office, but then declined somewhat.

The number had slipped down to just 10 million on the last business day of August, the most recent month on record. That’s still an increase of just over 2.8 million openings — or 39% — during Biden’s time.

In August, there was an average of nearly 1.7 jobs for every job seeker. When Biden took office, there were more job seekers than openings.

The number of job openings in September is set to be released Nov. 1.

Labor Force Participation — One reason many job openings go unfilled is that millions of Americans left the workforce during the pandemic and haven’t returned. The labor force participation rate (the percentage of the total population over age 16 that is either employed or actively seeking work) has inched up slightly during Biden’s time, from 61.4% in January 2021 to 62.3% in September.

That’s an increase of only 0.9 percentage points, and still leaves the rate well below the pre-pandemic level of 63.4% for February 2020.

The rate peaked at 67.3% during the first four months of 2000, and even before the pandemic economists predicted further declines due largely to the aging population. The most recent 10-year economic projection by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicts the rate will rise only to 62.4% by the middle of next year — still well below the pre-pandemic level — then resume its long-term slide and drop to 61.4% by the end of 2032.

Manufacturing Jobs — During the presidential campaign, Biden promised he had a plan to create a million new manufacturing jobs — and whether it’s his doing or not, the number is rising briskly.

As of September, the U.S. added 696,000 manufacturing jobs during Biden’s time, a 5.7% increase in the space of 20 months, according to BLS. Furthermore, the September total is 95,000 above the number of manufacturing jobs in February 2020, before the pandemic forced plant closures and layoffs.

During Trump’s four years, the economy lost 182,000 manufacturing jobs, or 1.4%, largely due to the pandemic.

Wages and Inflation
CPI — Inflation came roaring back under Biden — with prices rising faster than they have in over 40 years.

During his first 20 months in office, the Consumer Price Index rose 13.2%.

It’s the worst inflation in decades. The 12 months ending in June saw a 9.1% increase in the CPI (before seasonal adjustment), which the Bureau of Labor Statistics said was the biggest such increase since the 12 months ending in November 1981. And the rise during the most recent 12 months, ending in September, was only slightly less — 8.2%

The current inflation is hitting especially hard where people experience it most regularly — at the gas pump and at the grocery store. In the most recent 12 months, gasoline prices increased 18.2% and food at home increased 13%, the BLS said.

And with winter weather approaching, the cost of home heating is going up at an alarming rate. BLS said the 12-month rise in household energy costs — a mix including electricity, piped gas, propane and home heating oil — was 20.8% as of September.

Gasoline Prices — The price of gasoline has gyrated wildly under Biden.

During the first 57 weeks of his administration, the national average price of regular gasoline at the pump rose briskly by $1.15 (or 48.4%) as motorists resumed travel and the economy bounced back after pandemic lockdowns.

Then, in the first 16 weeks following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, the price shot up by another $1.48 per gallon as world oil markets were disrupted by the West’s efforts to punish Russia, the world’s third largest oil producer (after the U.S. and Saudi Arabia). Gasoline prices reached a record high of just over $5 per gallon in the week ending June 13.

After that the price dropped steadily for 14 weeks, to $3.65 in the week ending Sept. 19, a decline of $1.35 below the record high.

But in the past few weeks the price has again turned up, reaching $3.91 per gallon in the week ending Oct. 10.

So after all the ups and downs (mostly ups), the most recent price is $1.53 higher than in the week before Biden took office, an increase of 64.4%

Prices are not expected to ease much from there. In its most recent Short-Term Energy Outlook, the U.S. Energy Information Administration predicted that gasoline prices would average $3.57 during 2023.

Wages — Wages also have gone up under Biden, but not as fast as prices.

Average weekly earnings for rank-and-file workers went up 9% during Biden’s first 20 months in office, according to monthly figures compiled by the BLS. Those production and nonsupervisory workers make up 81% of all employees in the private sector.

But inflation ate up all that gain and more. What are called “real” weekly earnings, adjusted for inflation and measured in dollars valued at their average level in 1982-84, actually declined 4.4% during that time.

Since our last report, however, wage gains have started to outpace inflation. Real weekly earnings rose 1% between June and September.

Economic Growth
The U.S. economy contracted for the second straight quarter this year, triggering concerns of a pending recession. But the string of down quarters is expected to soon end.

The real gross domestic product, which accounts for inflation, declined at an estimated annual rate of 1.6% in the first quarter of this year and 0.6% in the second quarter, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The back-to-back down quarters followed a 5.9% increase in real GDP in Biden’s first year.


The National Bureau of Economic Research’s Business-Cycle Dating Committee is the government entity that officially declares the start and end of a recession, and it says that most, not all, past recessions were marked by “two or more consecutive quarters of declining real GDP.” But the committee considers many other factors when declaring a recession, which it generally defines as “a significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and that lasts more than a few months.”

In addition to real GDP, the committee bases its decision on a range of monthly economic indicators, including inflation, which remained stubbornly high in September, consumer spending, which went up in August, and nonfarm payroll employment, which rose in September and has increased every month so far under Biden.

The first official estimate for the third quarter of 2022 won’t be released until Oct. 27. But the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s “GDP Now” estimated on Oct. 7 that the economy will grow by 2.9% in the third quarter.

In May, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected the economy would expand by 3.1% in 2022. The most recent forecast of the Federal Reserve Board members and Federal Reserve Bank presidents, issued in June, produced a median estimate of a 1.7% real GDP growth (Table 1) for both 2022 and 2023.

Even so, there’s still plenty of talk of a global recession happening next year.

“Economic growth is projected to resume in the second half of 2022, but the combination of high inflation, monetary policy tightening, and a slowing housing market is likely to tip the economy into a modest recession in the new year,” Fannie Mae, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giant, said in a Sept. 21 press release.

The World Bank says there’s a risk of a global recession next year.

“Global growth is slowing sharply, with further slowing likely as more countries fall into recession,” World Bank Group President David Malpass said in a Sept. 15 statement. “My deep concern is that these trends will persist, with long-lasting consequences that are devastating for people in emerging market and developing economies.”

Crime
The FBI estimated that “violent and property crime remained consistent between 2020 and 2021.” Specifically, the number of violent crimes went down by an estimated 1%; the number of murders went up by 4.3%; robberies went down by 8.2%. But the figures “are not considered statistically significant,” the FBI said, which is why “the overall message is that crime remained consistent.”

The estimates also come with increased uncertainty, as we’ve explained before.

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program is a voluntary reporting program. It has been transitioning to a new system for local law enforcement agencies to submit data, and as of Jan. 1, 2021, agencies were required to use what’s called the National Incident-Based Reporting System. But many, including police departments in New York City and Los Angeles, haven’t made the switch to NIBRS and aren’t included in the raw 2021 statistics.

So, the FBI and the Bureau of Justice Statistics have provided national estimates, based on data for 66% of the U.S. population. In the past, the FBI said, annual figures accounted for 90% or more of the population.

In an Oct. 5 press release on the 2021 statistics, the FBI explains, “Together, the FBI and BJS developed and tested statistical procedures that assess the quality and completeness of NIBRS data, created methods to adjust for non-transitioned agencies, crafted estimation procedures for generating reliable and accurate national indicators as new agencies report NIBRS data, and established a semi-automated system for producing national estimates of key crime indicators on an annual basis.”

The estimated 4.3% increase in the number of murders is significantly lower than the 29.4% increase from 2019 to 2020, before Biden took office. The estimated murder rate in 2021 was 6.9 per 100,000 population, a 0.2 percentage point increase from the 6.7 rate in 2020.

The number and rate of rapes went up (by 1.2 percentage points for the rate), while aggravated assaults went down (by 2.3 percentage points for the rate). The FBI said the overall drop in violent crime was “driven mainly” by the estimated decline in robberies.

The estimated number of property crimes declined by 3.8%.

Given the FBI had to do more estimating than normal, we also looked at other sources for information on large cities.

The Major Cities Chiefs Association, which collects statistics from law enforcement agencies in big cities, found that homicides went up by 6.2% from 2020 to 2021, but its latest report shows a decline of 2.4%, comparing the first six months of 2022 to the same period in 2021. The data is from 70 law enforcement agencies.

Similarly, the nonpartisan think tank Council on Criminal Justice found a 5% increase in the number of homicides from 2020 to 2021 in 22 U.S. cities, but its latest report shows a 2% decline for the first six months of 2022, compared with the same time period in 2021 in 23 cities. However, “the homicide rate remains 39% above the level prior to the COVID-19 pandemic (in the first half of 2019),” the authors note.

Another analysis, by AH Datalytics, using publicly available information from 90 larger law enforcement agencies nationwide, shows a 5.3% drop in murders so far in 2022, as of data compiled by Oct. 13, compared with 2021. The organization is run by criminal justice data analysts.

Trade
The Bureau of Economic Analysis’ most recent figures show that the U.S. imported almost $977.4 billion more in goods and services than it exported during the most recent 12 months ending in August. The international trade deficit was $323.4 billion, or about 49%, higher than in 2020. The trade gap grew more than 36% under Trump.

Through the first eight months of 2022, the U.S. imported a monthly average of $84.3 billion more in goods and services than it exported. If imports continue to exceed exports at that rate, the annual trade deficit for 2022 will exceed $1 trillion for the first time on record.


Health Insurance
The number of people without health insurance has gone down under Biden. The decrease was 1.1 million people from 2020 to 2021, according to the Census Bureau’s latest annual report.

In 2020, the year before Biden took office, 28.3 million people, or 8.6% of the population, lacked health insurance for the entire year. Those figured dropped to 27.2 million, or 8.3%, in 2021. The Census report was published in September.

As has been the case for many years, most of the population had employer-based insurance coverage in 2021. Altogether, 66% of the population had private insurance, which includes work-based plans, direct purchases, Tricare (insurance for military members and their families), and Affordable Care Act marketplace plans.

Public, or government-sponsored plans, enrolled 35.7% of the population, split nearly evenly between Medicare and Medicaid, with a small percentage (1%) on Veterans Affairs plans.

The National Health Interview Survey, which measures the number of uninsured at the time people were interviewed — as opposed to being uninsured for the entire year — found a decrease in the number of uninsured people of 1.6 million from 2020 to 2021.

Early release figures from the NHIS show those lacking health insurance declined further in the first quarter of 2022. The estimates are that 8% of the population was uninsured in the first quarter, down from 8.8% in the fourth quarter of 2021.

The chart below shows how the number of uninsured people has changed since 2016, according to the Census figures. Technical note: Due to changes in survey methods, Census says the 2018 and later figures should be compared with the 2016 and 2017 numbers from a research and bridge file.


Income and Poverty
Household Income — Household income continued to decline in Biden’s first year.

In 2021, the Census Bureau’s measure of real median household income was $70,784, a decrease of $402, or 0.6%, from 2020. That was the second consecutive annual decrease, after median household income, when adjusted for inflation, declined $1,622 during the first year of the pandemic.

(The median figure represents the midpoint — half of all households earned more, half less.)

Prior to 2020, the real median income figure had reached a record of $72,808 in 2019, which was about $6,150 more than in 2016 – the year before Trump took office.

Poverty — As incomes declined, the rate of poverty rose slightly.

The percentage of Americans living with income below the official poverty line went up 0.1 percentage points – from 11.5% of the population in 2020 to 11.6% in 2021.

That was the second straight year that the poverty rate increased. Before COVID-19, the rate declined five years in a row.

The Census Bureau lists the official poverty rate in 2019 as 10.5% — seemingly the lowest rate going back to 1959, which is as far back as Census data go. But the bureau has said that the 2019 rate was probably more than half a percentage point higher than that due to lower than normal survey response rates from low-income individuals during the pandemic.

“With the nonresponse bias correction, we estimate a poverty rate of 11.1 percent in 2019, compared to the official estimate of 10.5 percent,” Census said in a September 2020 report. That would tie the 11.1% poverty rate in 1973 as the lowest on record.

In raw numbers, there were about 37.9 million people below the poverty line in 2021. That was roughly 385,000 more than in 2020, according to the Census’ latest estimates.

The official poverty rate, however, does not include government programs that benefit low-income families and individuals — such as housing and food assistance — that were expanded in COVID-19 relief bills that became law under Trump and Biden. The Census Bureau measures the impact of these programs using the Supplemental Poverty Measure, which it began publishing in 2011.

The supplemental poverty rate declined last year, from 9.2% in 2020 to 7.8% in 2021 — “the lowest SPM poverty rate since estimates were first published and the third consecutive decline,” Census said in its Sept. 18 report.

Children experienced the steepest drop in supplemental poverty, according to the bureau’s analysis. The SPM rate for kids declined to 5.2% in 2021, the lowest level on record and down 4.5 percentage points from the 2020 rate of 9.7%.

“The decline in the SPM rate for children was largely driven by stimulus payments and the refundable Child Tax Credit, which led to increased resources for families with children,” the report said.

Biden repeatedly has touted this drop in childhood poverty. For instance, his proclamation on Child Health Day on Sept. 30, said: “To give hardworking parents more breathing room during the pandemic, I expanded the child tax credit — a measure estimated to have helped cut child poverty by over 40 percent last year.”

But the expanded credit expired at the end of 2021.

Food Stamps
The number of people in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as food stamps, has declined, again, since our last update.

As of June, nearly 41 million people — 40,986,375 — were receiving food assistance. That’s about 240,000 fewer people than in April, and it’s a decline of 2.8%, or nearly 1.2 million people, from January 2021 when Biden became president. The figures come from the Department of Agriculture’s latest data.

The SNAP enrollment under Trump was as low as 36.9 million in February 2020. But that changed during the coronavirus pandemic.

Under Biden, enrollment was a bit lower than the June figure at 40.8 million in August and September 2021.

Border Security
The number of apprehensions of people trying to enter the U.S. illegally at the southwest border has stabilized in recent months, but remains near historic highs.

To even out the seasonal changes in border crossings, our measure compares the most recent 12 months on record with the year prior to a president taking office. And for the past 12 months ending in August, the latest figures available, apprehensions totaled 2,183,284, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. That’s 330% higher than during Trump’s last year in office.

As we have noted in past editions of “Biden’s Numbers,” apprehensions were on the rise when Trump left office — and were 14.7% higher in Trump’s last year compared with the year before he took office. But the number of apprehensions jumped dramatically and has remained high since Biden became president.

Since our last report in July, apprehensions stabilized in July and August, when there were 181,765 and 181,160 apprehensions, respectively. That’s about 19% lower than the 224,397 apprehensions in May, which represented a high for the Biden administration and were more than in any single month going back to at least fiscal year 2000. But the July and August numbers are still at about the monthly average for the fiscal year.

A significant demographic shift in the nationality of migrants coming across the border between ports of entry explains some of the dramatic increase in apprehensions. Specifically, there has been a jump in the number of migrants coming this year from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela, authoritarian-run countries with which the U.S. has strained diplomatic relations, Ariel Ruiz Soto, a policy analyst for the Migration Policy Institute, explained to us in a phone interview.

In the spring and early summer, there was a dramatic increase in the number of Cuban migrants, including 35,000 in April alone, as many Cubans sought to flee the country’s economic crisis and a crackdown on political dissidents. And when Nicaragua lifted the tourist visa requirement for Cubans in November 2021, it made it easier for Cubans to fly to Nicaragua and then head to the U.S. border via a land route. The number of Cuban migrants declined in the summer months, largely in response to migration management policies implemented after the Summit of the Americas in June, Ruiz Soto said.

But just as the number of Cuban migrants began to decline, there was a sharp increase in the number of Venezuelans coming across the U.S. border, Ruiz Soto said.

More than 80% of Mexican migrants apprehended at the border are simply turned around under Title 42, a public health law invoked in response to the pandemic in March 2020 that allowed border officials to immediately return many of those caught trying to enter the country illegally.

But due to diplomatic tensions, there are barriers to repatriating migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela. That also acts as a magnet, Ruiz Soto said, as migrants from those countries know there is little chance they will be returned to their home country, and instead they will be released into the U.S. pending asylum or other immigration hearings. In August, he said, there were more apprehensions of migrants from Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua than from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala — bucking the traditional flow of immigration to the U.S.

On Sept. 20, Biden referenced this shift when he said the border challenge is now, “a totally different circumstance. What’s on my watch now is Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua. And the ability to send them back to those states is not rational.”

The higher number of apprehensions at the border doesn’t necessarily reflect a lack of order or control at the border — or an “open border” as some Republicans put it — but rather is a function of migrants adapting to regulations and U.S. policy, Ruiz Soto said. Many of those from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela don’t really even try to evade authorities, and in many cases seek them out once they have crossed the border, Ruiz Soto said, because they know they are likely to be processed and then released in the country pending an immigration hearing.

For Mexicans, Ruiz Soto said, the Title 42 policy has had another unintended consequence: It has encouraged migrants to make multiple attempts to cross the border, because if caught they are simply returned to Mexico without any further repercussions. According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the recidivism rate — meaning the share of people caught crossing more than once in a fiscal year — was 27% in fiscal year 2021, far higher than in pre-Title 42 years. (The recidivism rate was 7% in fiscal year 2019.)

Although the Biden administration sought to terminate Title 42, a federal judge in May blocked that, and the policy has remained in place pending appeals. Should Title 42 go away, Ruiz Soto said the number of migrants attempting to illegally cross the border is likely to increase “but not as much as people think” because under previous policy, migrants caught attempting to cross illegally could face having a formal removal order placed on their record, or criminal prosecution.

Corporate Profits
As inflation rises, corporate profits keep setting records.

After-tax corporate profits reached a record high of $2.75 trillion last year — and they topped that mark in both the first and second quarters of this year at annual rates, according to the BEA. (See line 45.)

The 2021 profits were 30% higher than the full-year figure for 2020, as estimated by the BEA.

The BEA’s estimate for the second quarter shows after-tax profits running at an annual rate of more than $3 trillion — a 44% increase over the full-year 2020 figure.


Stock Markets
Stock market gains that were made in Biden’s first year have been wiped out in 2022.

Under the past two presidents, the stock markets went steadily up. The S&P 500 index rose 166% over the eight years Obama was in office, and it climbed another 67.8% during Trump’s four years.

But since Biden took office, the S&P 500 is down 3.4% at the close of the market on Oct. 13. For the year, it’s down 23%.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average, which is made up of 30 large corporations, is down 2.9% since Biden took office. For the year, the Dow dropped 17.3%.

The Dow rallied on Oct. 13 to close more than 800 points higher and finish above 30,000. It dropped below 30,000 on June 16 for the first time since Jan. 4, 2021, and has been struggling to stay above that line this fall.

The NASDAQ composite index, made up of more than 3,000 companies, including many in the technology sector, has been hit the hardest — saddled by tech stocks that have been performing particularly poorly. The NASDAQ is down 19.3% since Biden took office and a staggering 31.9% so far this year.

High yields on U.S. Treasury notes and a strong U.S. dollar have hurt big tech, Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at Cresset Capital, told CNBC in September. “This is a one-two punch on tech,” Ablin said. “The strong dollar doesn’t help tech. High 10-year Treasury yields don’t help tech.”

Back on July 19, 2021, Biden deflected questions about inflation and boasted about a strong stock market, telling reporters “the stock market is higher than it has been in all of history.”

Last month, the president reminded reporters that “the stock market doesn’t necessarily reflect the state of the economy, as you well know.”

“And the economy is still strong,” Biden added. “Unemployment is low. Jobs are up. Manufacturing is good. So I think it’s — I think we’re going to be fine.”

Consumer Sentiment
Inflation has taken its toll on consumer confidence in the economy under Biden.

The University of Michigan’s Surveys of Consumers reported that its monthly Index of Consumer Sentiment for September was 58.6. That’s slightly better than our last report – when the index dropped to a low of 50 in June. But it’s still 20.4 points lower than it was when Biden took office in January 2021.

Joanne W. Hsu, director and chief economist of the Surveys of Consumers, attributed the decline to concerns about inflation, which she said extend to all income levels.

The “sentiment for consumers across the income distribution has declined in a remarkably close fashion for the last 6 months, reflecting shared concerns over the impact of inflation, even among higher-income consumers who have historically generated the lion’s share of spending,” Hsu said in a statement on the final survey results for September.

Home Prices & Homeownership
Home Prices — With interest rates continuing to climb, the red-hot housing market has begun to cool off.

The median price of an existing, single-family home sold was $396,300 in August — down from a record high of $420,900 in June, according to the National Association of Realtors. It was the second straight month that the median home price fell.

“The housing sector is the most sensitive to and experiences the most immediate impacts from the Federal Reserve’s interest rate policy changes,” NAR Chief Economist Lawrence Yun said in a Sept. 21 press release.

The 30-year fixed-rate mortgage averaged 6.66% as of Oct. 6 – more than double the 2.99% rate a year ago, according to mortgage buyer Freddie Mac.

Nevertheless, home prices are up 29% since Biden took office in January 2021, when the median price of an existing, single-family home sold was $308,000.


Homeownership — High home prices and low inventory – and now higher interest rates – have kept homeownership rates virtually unchanged under Biden.

The homeownership rate, which the Census Bureau measures as the percentage of occupied housing units that are owner-occupied, was 65.8% in the second quarter of 2022 — identical to the rate during Trump’s last quarter in office. (Usual word of caution: The bureau warns against making comparisons with the fourth quarter of 2020, because of pandemic-related restrictions on in-person data collection.)

The rate peaked under Trump in the second quarter of 2020 at 67.9%. The highest homeownership rate on record was 69.2% in 2004, when George W. Bush was president.

Refugees
Biden continues to fall way short of his campaign promise to accept up to 125,000 refugees into the United States each year.

On Sept. 27, the Biden administration set the cap on refugee admissions for fiscal year 2023 at 125,000 – just as it did in fiscal year 2022.

But in fiscal year 2022, the administration accepted only 25,465 refugees, according to the State Department.

Overall, the U.S. has admitted 35,473 refugees in Biden’s first full 20 months in office, or 1,774 per month, the data show. That’s nearly 4% less than the 1,845 monthly average during Trump’s four years. (For both presidents, our monthly averages include only full months in office, excluding the month of January 2017 and January 2021, when administrations overlapped.)

In setting the admissions cap at 125,000 for fiscal year 2022, the State Department all but acknowledged it would fall short of that goal, telling Congress that the COVID-19 pandemic “will undoubtedly impact” the administration’s ability “to process large numbers of refugees safely” in fiscal year 2022. The department also said that it needed to rebuild its staff after four years of cuts by the Trump administration.

This year, in its report to Congress for fiscal year 2023, the State Department said “we are beginning to make progress towards fulfilling President Biden’s ambitious admissions target.”

That progress was evident in September, when the U.S. admitted more than 5,500 refugees — the highest monthly amount since January 2017. But the Biden administration would need to average nearly twice that amount in order to meet the president’s goal of admitting 125,000 refugees in fiscal year 2023.


Guns
Handgun production — In 2021, annual production of pistols and revolvers in the U.S. totaled just over 7.9 million, according to preliminary figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives released on July 18.

That represented an increase of about 21.7% from 2020, when handgun production during the beginning of the pandemic surged to a then-record of over 6.5 million.

Prior to 2020, handgun production had gone down by more than a third under Trump through 2019. That was after production more than tripled during President Barack Obama’s time in office.


Gun sales — Gun purchases slid again during the third quarter of 2022, according to the most recent estimates from the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

Since the federal government doesn’t collect data on gun sales, the NSSF, a gun industry trade group, estimates gun sales by tracking the number of background checks for firearm sales based on the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS. The NSSF-adjusted figures exclude background checks unrelated to sales, such as those required for concealed-carry permits.

The group reported that the NSSF-adjusted NICS total for background checks during the third quarter was 3.76 million, which is a decrease of 5.2% from the 3.97 million in the third quarter of 2021. Also, it’s down more than 33% from the 5.63 million during Trump’s final full quarter as president.

Through the first nine months of 2022, there were 11.89 million background checks for firearm sales. That was roughly 27% less than the 16.24 million in the last nine months of 2020, which was a record year for sales, according to NSSF estimates.

Judiciary Appointments
Supreme Court — Biden has won confirmation for one Supreme Court nominee, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. At the same point in his term, Trump had won confirmation for two: Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh. Justice Jackson replaced retired Justice Stephen G. Breyer, who was appointed by then-President Bill Clinton and served nearly three decades.

Court of Appeals — Twenty-five U.S. Court of Appeals judges have been confirmed under Biden. At the same point in Trump’s presidency, 29 had been confirmed.

District Court — Biden has won confirmation for 58 District Court judges. For Trump, at the same time in his term, 53 nominees had been confirmed.

Two U.S. Court of Federal Claims judges also have been confirmed under Biden.

There were 87 federal court vacancies, with 44 nominees pending, as of Oct. 13.

Oil Production and Imports
U.S. crude oil production averaged roughly 11.54 million barrels per day during Biden’s most recent 12 months in office (ending in July), according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data published in late September. That was over 1.9% higher than the average daily amount of crude oil produced in 2020.

In its Short-Term Energy Outlook for October, the EIA projected that crude oil production would average 11.7 million barrels per day in 2022, which would be more than every year but 2019.

U.S. crude oil imports in Biden’s last 12 months averaged more than 6.3 million barrels per day — up more than 7.4% from imports in 2020.

Carbon Emissions
U.S. carbon emissions increased slightly since our last quarterly update.

In the most recent 12 months on record (ending in June), there were almost 4.95 billion metric tons of emissions from the consumption of coal, natural gas and various petroleum products, according to the EIA’s latest estimates. That’s up over 8% from the almost 4.58 billion metric tons that were emitted in 2020 — but still lower than the almost 5.15 billion metric tons emitted in 2019.

The EIA has said the increase, which began in 2021, “followed a rise in economic activity and energy consumption once the initial economic impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic began to subside.”

The EIA currently projects that energy-related CO2 emissions will increase by 1.5% this year and then “decrease 2.3% in 2023 to just under 2021 levels.”

Debts and Deficits
Debt — Since our last update in July, the public debt, which excludes money the government owes itself, increased by more than $395 billion to $24.28 trillion, as of Oct. 12. That total is about 12.2% higher than the debt of nearly $21.64 billion when Biden took office.

Deficits — Meanwhile, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the federal deficit declined to $1.4 trillion in fiscal year 2022 — down about 50% from $2.8 trillion in fiscal year 2021 and about 55% less than the $3.1 trillion deficit in fiscal year 2020. (The Treasury Department is expected to release the official deficit figure for FY 22 later this month.)

As we wrote earlier this year, most of the reduction in deficits is the result of expiring emergency pandemic spending — not actions taken by Biden, as he has suggested at times. Before any of Biden’s fiscal policies were enacted, CBO projected that, under existing law at the time, the federal budget deficit would be almost $2.3 trillion in 2021 and about $1.1 trillion in 2022.

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Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/16/22 06:15 PM
Except it's not the economy that will drive votes in November, it's women's rights, democracy over fascism, and the overwhelming majority being sick and tired of the MAGA extremists.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 10/16/22 06:32 PM
rofl
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/16/22 06:38 PM
I laughed too when I realized I didn't add that republicans attacking voting rights, trans kids, and social security, which are also going to play against them.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/23/22 06:52 AM
Joe Biden is tougher on China than Trump was smart enough to be! Pretty good for an old doddering curmudgeon that the right calls unfit!

Manjoo: Look who just clobbered China’s chip industry

Farhad Manjoo
October 22, 2022 at 4:45 a.m.
Categories:Business, Economy, National Politics, News, Opinion, Opinion Columnists, Politics, Technology, Uncategorized, World News

[Linked Image from mercurynews.com]

Joe Biden's administration has curtailed China’s alarming, decades long effort to build a domestic semiconductor industry that’s independent from the rest of the world. (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Semiconductors are among the most intricate tools that human beings have ever invented. They are also among the most expensive to make.

The latest chips — the sort that power supercomputers and high-end smartphones — are densely packed with transistors so small they’re measured in nanometers. Perhaps the only things more ingenious than the chips themselves are the machines that are used to build them. These devices are capable of working on almost unimaginably tiny scales, a fraction of the size of most viruses. Some of the chip-building machines take years to build and cost hundreds of millions of dollars each; Dutch company ASML, which makes the world’s only lithography machines capable of inscribing designs for the fastest chips, has produced just 140 such devices over the past decade.

Which brings us to another amazing detail about microchips: They are a triumph not just of technology but also of global trade and cooperation. In the recently published “Chip War: The Fight for the World’s Most Critical Technology,” Chris Miller, a history professor at Tufts University, describes the geographic sprawl of the semiconductor supply chain:

“A typical chip might be designed with blueprints from the Japanese-owned, U.K.-based company called Arm, by a team of engineers in California and Israel, using design software from the United States. When a design is complete, it’s sent to a facility in Taiwan, which buys ultrapure silicon wafers and specialized gases from Japan. The design is carved into silicon using some of the world’s most precise machinery, which can etch, deposit and measure layers of materials a few atoms thick. These tools are produced primarily by five companies, one Dutch, one Japanese and three Californian, without which advanced chips are basically impossible to make. Then the chip is packaged and tested, often in Southeast Asia, before being sent to China for assembly into a phone or computer.”

That’s why I have been so impressed with the aggressive and creative way the Biden administration has gone about curtailing China’s alarming, decades long effort to build a domestic semiconductor industry that’s independent from the rest of the world. This month, the Commerce Department announced a set of restrictions that prevent China from getting much of what it needs to establish a commanding position in the chip business. The government said the rules were meant to block “sensitive technologies with military applications” from being acquired by China’s military and security services. With few exceptions, the sanctions prohibit China from buying the best American chips and the machines to build them, and even from hiring Americans to work on them. Analysts I spoke to said the rules will devastate China’s domestic chip industry, potentially setting it back decades.

The rules “are an absolute historical landmark,” said Gregory Allen, a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and a former director of AI strategy at the Department of Defense. In a recent report, Allen writes that Biden’s restrictions “begin a new U.S. policy of actively strangling large segments of the Chinese technology industry — strangling with an intent to kill.” Considering the ways China might use the advanced chips — including in expanding its dystopian, AI-powered surveillance and repression regime — the strangulation is justified.

Semiconductors are one of the few sectors for which China still depends on the rest of the world; the country spends more money importing microchips each year than it does oil. The Chinese government has invested billions of dollars to “indigenize” the industry, but its progress has been slow. And in some of the most advanced areas of the business, Chinese semiconductor manufacturers lag far behind their international competitors.

How can China respond? One way is by evading the rules. The country has long been masterful at getting around sanctions, and microchips are small and potentially easy to smuggle.

Allen also warned that we don’t know how grave a provocation China might consider these rules. He pointed out that in the run-up to the attack on Pearl Harbor, it was America’s refusal to sell oil to Imperial Japan that led the latter to conclude that it was “functionally at war” with the United States. The semiconductor rules are narrower than our oil restrictions on Japan were. “But will China see it that way?” Allen asked. “I kind of doubt it.”

On the other hand, what choice does the United States have?

“These technologies are going to be the foundation of economic strength over the next decades, and there are significant concerns about what the world would look like if China gained the upper hand,” said Martijn Rasser, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security. “It wouldn’t be a world that I would want to live in, and I don’t think most Americans or most of our friends and allies would want to live in it either.”

Farhad Manjoo is a New York Times columnist.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/10/22/manjoo-biden-just-clobbered-chinas-chip-industry/amp/
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 10/23/22 01:05 PM
Tough guy, eh?

Smarter? Time will tell on this issue.

Few points not discussed above...

China is 5 years and 1T away from semiconductor independence. This may slow that, but it certainly won't stop it.

We are more dependent on foreign semiconductors than we have ever been on foreign oil. If this is what "tough" looks like, you better hope it doesn't backfire or it's Peewee Herman flexing on Hulk Hogan.

Taiwan makes 65% of the world's semiconductors and almost 90% of the advanced chips. By comparison, China produces a little over 5% while the U.S. produces approximately 10%, according to market analysts.
I'll let you think through that one without wasting my time typing.

I'm not disagreeing with the move. It's always nice when Joe remembers he has a set of balls. But this is not some "done-deal-win". Especially at a time when "chips" are a fragile market and there are shortages worldwide. What I can promise you, is if this backfires, this box in the flowchart will disappear in the liberal media and "Xi's chip war" will roll off the tongues in Washington quicker than "Putin's price hike". wink
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/23/22 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Except it's not the economy that will drive votes in November, it's women's rights, democracy over fascism, and the overwhelming majority being sick and tired of the MAGA extremists.

You are 100% incorrect. People ALWAYS vote with their wallets. It will be a bloodbath for the dems.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/23/22 03:04 PM
You might wish to consider that the problem of the semiconductors is being addressed with new semiconductor production plants now being built in America. You are certainly correct at the present time and it's a shame but the issue is being corrected. Things were learned from the pandemic.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Biden Admin - 10/24/22 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You might wish to consider that the problem of the semiconductors is being addressed with new semiconductor production plants now being built in America. You are certainly correct at the present time and it's a shame but the issue is being corrected. Things were learned from the pandemic.


That is half the problem with this country, we see the problem, but never do anything about it until it becomes a problem. We are always reactionary instead of preventative.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 10/24/22 01:42 PM
j/c:

President Joe Biden says 'it's wrong' for states to ban sex reassignment surgery and puberty blockers for kids in White House interview with transgender TikToker Dylan Mulvaney

Biden says he backs 'gender-affirming' healthcare and slams Republicans trying to ban sex changes for children

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...view-trans-TikTok-activist.html#comments
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/24/22 02:12 PM
There's no doubt about that.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 10/24/22 02:30 PM
I was speaking more to the point of "poking China" and saying that they can't have ours -- when we make so few -- is not very productive. Left media (and OCD) acting like Joe is some badass for flexing on China.


BTW, for anyone interested in a better search engine, I've been using this for a while when I want both sides of a story...

https://luxxle.com/ blows the doors off Giggle.

I've been pretty disappointed with any other options over the past couple years. Give it a try, you won't be sorry. And no, it is in no way biased to the right... unless you consider not sequestering, "biased".
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/24/22 03:39 PM
I can't say that I really disagree with you from the standpoint of strategy. No matter what any president says including the previous one, you can't close the trade gap with China when your own country no longer makes the products you depend on buying from them. It does make for a great attention grabber to fire up your base but outside of that it's just a stupid, unrealistic thing to say. So poking a nation you depend on for so many of your goods isn't a smart thing to do until you reach the point you no longer depend on them for those goods. But as of now it seems like it's a matter of political gamesmanship on the part of both parties to appear to be tough on China.

Thanks for the suggestion on the search engine. I'll give it a try.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/25/22 12:55 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Tough guy, eh?

Smarter? Time will tell on this issue.

Few points not discussed above...

China is 5 years and 1T away from semiconductor independence. This may slow that, but it certainly won't stop it.

We are more dependent on foreign semiconductors than we have ever been on foreign oil. If this is what "tough" looks like, you better hope it doesn't backfire or it's Peewee Herman flexing on Hulk Hogan.

Taiwan makes 65% of the world's semiconductors and almost 90% of the advanced chips. By comparison, China produces a little over 5% while the U.S. produces approximately 10%, according to market analysts.
I'll let you think through that one without wasting my time typing.

I'm not disagreeing with the move. It's always nice when Joe remembers he has a set of balls. But this is not some "done-deal-win". Especially at a time when "chips" are a fragile market and there are shortages worldwide. What I can promise you, is if this backfires, this box in the flowchart will disappear in the liberal media and "Xi's chip war" will roll off the tongues in Washington quicker than "Putin's price hike". wink



There is more to that story. The United States is the world leader in the design of semiconductor chips -we design about 85% of the world's semiconductor chips.
We have offshored the production-like so much other stuff.

China can make the more simplistic electronics chips but China has not been able to design or manufacture the most high tech chip-they can't can't seem to make it or design it. They have had some success with copying a 7 nano chip, they may try to use that for defense purposes. So they try to copy/steal the technology and if not, they will try to find a way to get the technology from Taiwan-what ever it takes.

Biden is trying to limit their access to our technology and in case bring back the manufacturing to our country-I don't care who is running the show, that is the right thing to do.

That Intel plant in Columbus is a really big deal-20 billion to start up to 100 billion by early 2030's-
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/25/22 01:02 AM
Also, on another side note-The FDA with a push from the Biden admin has taken a bipartisan bill that was passed in 2017 but never implemented and last week made it possible to buy hearing aids over the counter. You can now look up OTC hearing aids and buy them at Walmart, CVS, Walgreens and a bunch of other stores. There are a bunch of different options, but they say that the cost of an average pair of hearing aids now would cost about $3,000 less-and I already looked on a couple different stores and there were OTC hearing aids as cheap as 199 bucks.

They could be a black Friday deal-retail price $4,000-black Friday deal 299
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 10/25/22 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by northlima dawg
Also, on another side note-The FDA with a push from the Biden admin has taken a bipartisan bill that was passed in 2017 but never implemented and last week made it possible to buy hearing aids over the counter. You can now look up OTC hearing aids and buy them at Walmart, CVS, Walgreens and a bunch of other stores. There are a bunch of different options, but they say that the cost of an average pair of hearing aids now would cost about $3,000 less-and I already looked on a couple different stores and there were OTC hearing aids as cheap as 199 bucks.

They could be a black Friday deal-retail price $4,000-black Friday deal 299

'Bout damn time. Two thumbs up to the Biden admin on that one. So tired of big tech and big pharma taking advantage of the most vulnerable, particularly those on fixed budgets.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/25/22 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
I was speaking more to the point of "poking China" and saying that they can't have ours -- when we make so few -- is not very productive. Left media (and OCD) acting like Joe is some badass for flexing on China.


BTW, for anyone interested in a better search engine, I've been using this for a while when I want both sides of a story...

https://luxxle.com/ blows the doors off Giggle.

I've been pretty disappointed with any other options over the past couple years. Give it a try, you won't be sorry. And no, it is in no way biased to the right... unless you consider not sequestering, "biased".

I went there and typed in Trump and it was almost flattering to him. STRONG PASS.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 10/25/22 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by FATE
I was speaking more to the point of "poking China" and saying that they can't have ours -- when we make so few -- is not very productive. Left media (and OCD) acting like Joe is some badass for flexing on China.


BTW, for anyone interested in a better search engine, I've been using this for a while when I want both sides of a story...

https://luxxle.com/ blows the doors off Giggle.

I've been pretty disappointed with any other options over the past couple years. Give it a try, you won't be sorry. And no, it is in no way biased to the right... unless you consider not sequestering, "biased".

I went there and typed in Trump and it was almost flattering to him. STRONG PASS.

Did you do the same at Google?

I don't see much of a difference in the top stories, maybe you're seeing something I'm not?
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/25/22 06:10 AM
Originally Posted by northlima dawg
Also, on another side note-The FDA with a push from the Biden admin has taken a bipartisan bill that was passed in 2017 but never implemented and last week made it possible to buy hearing aids over the counter. You can now look up OTC hearing aids and buy them at Walmart, CVS, Walgreens and a bunch of other stores. There are a bunch of different options, but they say that the cost of an average pair of hearing aids now would cost about $3,000 less-and I already looked on a couple different stores and there were OTC hearing aids as cheap as 199 bucks.

They could be a black Friday deal-retail price $4,000-black Friday deal 299


When we listen to pundits talk about "kitchen table issues," this fits the definition like a hand-in-glove.

Dems actually get legislative, substantive s# did for Real Americans...
...but they really, really suck at marketing their efforts.

That's why nobody knows about this.

This is the kind of stuff that actually makes a difference in the lives of the everyday people we all know and love...
...but it never makes the headlines, because it was accomplished by the boring machinery of Real Politics:

1. Pass a bill.
2. Make it law.
3. Use the new law to make new s# happen.
4. Get hearing aids to Americans.
5. Grammy can now afford to hear her grandies say, "I love you, Mee-Maw..."


Truth be told: Clemmy's also a big fan of the new 2K cap on drugs for Old Folk. He's old, healthy, and doesn't yet need to worry about the MedCostCap just yet... but it's only a matter of time before this becomes an issue for him. Reassuring to know that his cap is already set when he'll eventually need it.

My vote in action, without regard to blue or red bandanna.
In 2022, America should be more evolved than Crips v. Bludz.

-just sayin'-
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 10/25/22 11:04 PM
someone save this man. He needs to be relieved of duty.

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Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 12:41 AM
Bruh- your lynx don't work.
Posted By: jaybird Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by northlima dawg
Also, on another side note-The FDA with a push from the Biden admin has taken a bipartisan bill that was passed in 2017 but never implemented and last week made it possible to buy hearing aids over the counter. You can now look up OTC hearing aids and buy them at Walmart, CVS, Walgreens and a bunch of other stores. There are a bunch of different options, but they say that the cost of an average pair of hearing aids now would cost about $3,000 less-and I already looked on a couple different stores and there were OTC hearing aids as cheap as 199 bucks.

They could be a black Friday deal-retail price $4,000-black Friday deal 299

'Bout damn time. Two thumbs up to the Biden admin on that one. So tired of big tech and big pharma taking advantage of the most vulnerable, particularly those on fixed budgets.


Agreed
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 02:44 AM
Your president gets lost again. This time in the White House Garden...

Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 03:49 AM
trying this again.


Here is the Link to the video
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 05:19 AM
thank you for that 3 seconds of my life.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 06:45 AM
Biden being Biden.

The Globalists laugh at his antics 24-7. They say to themelves, "The American people really believe that is their president......Even though we installed him!...LOL!"
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 12:46 PM
He could be wheeled out in a wheelchair, wearing a crap filled diaper, while playing with a naked babydoll with all its hair cut off, drooling on himself…. Still a better president than donny.
I’d still vote for him, or his crap filled diaper, over donny.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 03:12 PM
I would love to know where you get your information from. I could use a few good laughs.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 10/26/22 10:13 PM
1 in 5 Americans Skipping Meals to Survive Bidenflation
[Linked Image from media.breitbart.com]

Survey: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Skipped Meals, Didn’t Buy Groceries Due to High Inflation
by ETHAN LETKEMAN26 Oct 2022

Nearly one in five Americans have skipped meals or did not buy groceries due to surging inflation, including 28 percent of Gen Z and 23 percent of millennials, according to a recent survey.

Seventeen percent of respondents said they were receiving food items from a food bank, including 22 percent of millennials, while 17 said they have stopped buying healthier food options. Eighteen percent said they had skipped meals or did not buy groceries.

Beyond facing food insecurity, the same survey also found that high inflation is forcing Americans to delay certain healthcare expenses. Fourteen percent of Americans have canceled or postponed plans to see a healthcare specialist, ten percent have delayed taking prescribed medication, and 11 percent stalled receiving a yearly physical.

“As the price of health care and basic necessities continue to reach record highs, Americans have been forced to make tough decisions that sacrifice their health and wellbeing,” said Kristi Rodriguez, senior vice president of the Nationwide Retirement Institute, which commissioned the survey.

“While these decisions are understandable and challenging, making short-term tradeoffs may have long-term impacts,” Rodriguez continued.

The survey results continue to highlight how Americans are struggling to get by in the current economy under President Joe Biden, as prices for food and consumer goods have soared paired with rising interest rates.

Grocery prices have climbed 13 percent from a year ago, rising 0.7 percent from August to September. Since last year, egg prices have skyrocketed by 30 percent, dairy-related products are up by 15.9 percent, bread is up by 14.7 percent, and butter is up by 26.6 percent.

Prices overall have soared by 8.2 percent since last year, rising 0.4 percent between August and September. Core inflation — not including food and energy prices — is up by 6.6 percent since a year ago, the highest it has been in 40 years.

The survey was conducted online by Harris Poll on behalf of Nationwide, which surveyed 1,140 U.S. adults between August 26 and September 8, 2022.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...-didnt-buy-groceries-due-high-inflation/
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 10/27/22 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by PortlandDawg
He could be wheeled out in a wheelchair, wearing a crap filled diaper, while playing with a naked babydoll with all its hair cut off, drooling on himself…. Still a better president than donny.
I’d still vote for him, or his crap filled diaper, over donny.

2 years in and Biden has done enough good to rank about the same as Obama. If he gets a supermajority in congress, he may end up being one of the best we've had. Nothing seni9le about that.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 10/27/22 06:03 PM
I wonder what the rest of the world that's also facing global inflation is calling it? Probably just inflation.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 11/05/22 06:32 PM



*Beau Biden died at the age of 46 in 2015 after battling brain cancer in the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland.*

The world is starting to take notice...

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/joe-bide...u-died-in-iraq-in-bizarre-blunder/383739

Joe Biden wrongly claims his son Beau died in Iraq in bizarre blunder

The US President made a similar gaffe in October when he made reference to his son Beau dying in Iran during a Colorado speech on October 13, telling the crowd his son "lost his life in Iraq".

President Biden said: “American soldiers of the 10th Mountain Division scaled that 1,800-foot cliff at night, caught the Germans by surprise, captured key positions, and broke through the German defense line at a pivotal point in the war.”
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 11/05/22 09:15 PM
Biden Admin

Still SUCKS!
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 12:32 AM
Beau Biden fought in Iraq and then tragically died of brain cancer.

I'll give dad a pass for associating "Iraq" with his son's death.

There are enough issues with Biden's cognizance with out stomping all over the death of a child. jmo.
Posted By: Swish Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 12:35 AM
what if his son had CTE from a concussion sustained while in the Army?
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 12:37 AM
It doesnt change that Biden has a brain impediment.
Posted By: Swish Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 12:39 AM
well we had two mentally disabled POTUS back to back. call it equal opportunity.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 01:27 AM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
It doesnt change that Biden has a brain impediment.

Did you mean speech impediment? Because brian impediment really makes no sense. If his brain were blocked or shut down, he would cease to be. But I get how you can get your words twisted when all you have is GOPer hateful talking point notes to shuffle through and regurgitate every day. I get it.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 01:35 AM
Nope, He has a brain impediment.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 01:40 AM


Joe's brain is fine. And he can always fall back on Obama if need be, he knows how to be a good POTUS. Biden has been pretty good by every measure but republican satisfaction. So he's a huge success.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 01:43 AM
News flash, Obama isnt the president. Biden doesnt even know where he is half the time.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 01:54 AM
Trump just attacked Ron DeSantis at a rally, calling him "Ron DeSanctimonious". MAGA is about to split.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 01:56 AM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
News flash, Obama isnt the president. Biden doesnt even know where he is half the time.

Well if you are convinced that Biden is incompetent, that would mean somebody is doing the work because the work has been getting done. So, Obama makes the most sense. It's definitely not Harris.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 02:07 AM
You do know that Biden has puppeteers, right? He isnt the one making the decisions.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 03:23 AM
I’ve kept talking about how DeSabtis and Trump could come to a head. I definitely think Ronnie is waiting for his time to take over. This might have changed his plan. Now he has to decide if he wants to be a beta male or take the bull by the horns. Knowing him, though, he’ll probably find a way to deflect onto some projected enemy.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 04:46 AM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
You do know that Biden has puppeteers, right? He isnt the one making the decisions.

rofl I've gotta meet your drug dealer! rofl
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 04:49 AM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
I’ve kept talking about how DeSabtis and Trump could come to a head. I definitely think Ronnie is waiting for his time to take over. This might have changed his plan. Now he has to decide if he wants to be a beta male or take the bull by the horns. Knowing him, though, he’ll probably find a way to deflect onto some projected enemy.

It could get real interesting if they butt heads for the next two years. They will split MAGA.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 05:27 AM
Ron is a better tactician than that. I think he wants to avoid a split at all costs. That’s why I think he’ll deflect or avoid Trump’s comments altogether, because he can’t appear weak by still praising Trump, but he also doesn’t want infighting. What’ll make things difficult for him is Trump’s everlasting lust to subjugate those in his sphere of influence. If Trump keeps spouting off, DeSantis’ hand will be forced. At that point in time, things will be interesting.

My speculation is that DeSantis is secretly hoping for an indictment or criminal charge to take hold. That would be the blood in the water moment for him to take over.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 01:56 PM
They both should be in jail by then.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 02:04 PM
I keep forgetting, why will Desantis be in jail again?
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 02:56 PM
There has never been a law enforcement group on earth that can continue to enforce a Lie against the truth of God.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
You do know that Biden has puppeteers, right? He isnt the one making the decisions.

That's a great way to describe presidential advisors by calling them puppeteers. Which is exactly what you're doing. Biden certainly wouldn't have been my first choice for president, but at least he doesn't surround himself with yes men and ignore everything those who know more than himself tells him. Of course I know you consider that to be a bad thing considering who you promoted for president.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 04:12 PM
It won't mean anything if they butt heads. They have the same basic message only DeSantis is slightly better at not being so inciteful in how he delivers it. Once it's determined who the nominee for president is in the Republican party the entire party will rally around whoever that person is. If their message were starkly different it could possible to cause a divide for the long term. But their messages are almost identical.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
I keep forgetting,

Lol … not surprised.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Beau Biden fought in Iraq and then tragically died of brain cancer.

I'll give dad a pass for associating "Iraq" with his son's death.

There are enough issues with Biden's cognizance with out stomping all over the death of a child. jmo.

No way. are you even serious right now?

This would be like me saying my mom died of stage 4 glioblastoma at college because she went to college.

SMH

People who are competent/coherent/cognizant know exactly where/why/when/how their (immediate) loved ones died.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 11/06/22 11:51 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
I keep forgetting, why will Desantis be in jail again?

I think he’s referring to the misappropriation of funds utilized to send migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard.

Say what you will about it, but, just like the classified stuff with both Hillary and Trump, if I, a contracting officer for the US Government, misappropriated funds, I would be charged and facing jail time rather quickly.
Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper Re: Biden Admin - 11/07/22 02:23 PM
The Biden Administration has done more to hurt family finances
Than any other Administration in recent memory.
My 401k has took a major hit since the Dems took
The reigns. Hmmm..401k down, Inflation up.
That's what Sleepy Joe has done
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 11/07/22 02:27 PM
How did he do it?
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/07/22 03:34 PM
Don’t expect an answer that makes any logical sense. Likely a few faux ‘facts’, with a little rage mixed in. But not an actual answer.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Biden Admin - 11/07/22 04:09 PM
That is my inclination as well, but I am also genuinely curious to see the rationale.

This harkens back to the conversation I had with FATE on the Pelosi thread about the need to call out what we perceive to be blind bias and rage, no matter which angle it comes from, and especially when it comes from "our own." Like with my family, I feel like a tree branch might fall and they would all yell "Freaking Biden!" and then collaborate in their echo chambers about how bad he is. In those cases, trying to argue doesn't help, but often times just asking "why" or "how" can make things interesting. I did the same thing in the Trump/Zawahiri thread when there was speculation that Trump didn't want to kill Zawahiri because he wasn't "important enough." The logic on that end didn't make sense to me either.

The biggest problem I think we have in politics right now is the dynamic of self-interest obviously that is rampant among those in the beltway. Second to that, though, is where we, as constituents, want to blame certain candidates for things, or want them to fail, or want them to be associated with anything that helps our bias that they are sniveling villains. In many cases, it's warranted because they often are guilty, but I think there should at least be a rational thought process behind conclusions that are drawn. It's also dumb, because it's blanket, misplaced hatred, instead of focal criticism on areas where politicians are legitimately failing, and areas where they vastly need to improve.

Going back to an administration like Obama's, one could say "His redline policy in Syria was just violated and he is appearing weak before the Russians who appear to be calling his bluff" and that would be a legitimate criticism. Most of what we got back then however was "hE's A mUsLim SoCiAlIsT!" The current day is just more of the same.

If he can come up with a legitimate answer, though, hey, power to him. Based on what I've seen so far, though, I have my doubts. Namely, the whole world is going through inflation and markets everywhere are going through volatility. So, I think the burden would be proving that Biden bears responsibility for all - or at least most - of that.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 11/07/22 04:55 PM
Well let's not forget that it's not just the America economy that's gone to hell but it's the global economy. Not only is Biden responsible for wrecking our economy but the economy of the entire globe! That damned Biden!

Eurozone Inflation Rate Rises To 10.7% As Recession Looms

https://www.wealthx.com/intelligenc...n-rate-rises-to-10-7-as-recession-looms/

EU inflation rises to 10.9% in September

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-inflation-rises-to-109-in-september/a-63488370
Posted By: Squires Re: Biden Admin - 11/08/22 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
How did he do it?


He added fuel to the fire with his 1.9 trillion covid bill. Then spent the better part of a year pretending inflation wasn't happening. After finally acknowledging it, signs inflation reduction act that didn't reduce inflation.


Biden also gets blame thrown at him because he wants to take credit for the good but ignore the bad. He made this tweet in 2021. If it was his economic plan in effect in 2021, why is it not his economic plan in 2022?

When bad things happen on a Republicans watch, they get soley blamed for it. When bad things happen on Biden watch, he gets a free pass. Why the double standard?

For the inevitable "inflation is a global thing" response. So is covid. Yet Trump got blamed for covid. Trump mishandled covid and should be blamed for that. Biden is mishandling inflation and should be blamed for that.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 11/08/22 05:38 PM
Trump was blamed for his handling of covid and all of the stupid things he was telling the American public about quack ideas and cures. Let's not blur the lines here.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 11/17/22 06:08 PM
j/c:

'Biden was chairman of the board': Republicans claim President IS compromised by Hunter's foreign deals involving 50 countries, insist bank accounts were 'co-mingled' and White House spent $250K to deflect damaging stories

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...House-spent-250K-deflecting-stories.html
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 11/17/22 06:13 PM
Yeah, they've claimed a lot of BS. rofl
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 11/29/22 07:18 PM
Biden's non-binary nuclear waste guru used Vera Bradley bag for a month after stealing it from airport and unpacking female victim's clothes - but claims it was an ACCIDENT: Keeps job despite being charged - as White House says NOTHING

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cidentally-picked-2-325-bag-airport.html
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 11/30/22 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by 3rd_and_20
Biden's non-binary nuclear waste guru used Vera Bradley bag for a month after stealing it from airport and unpacking female victim's clothes - but claims it was an ACCIDENT: Keeps job despite being charged - as White House says NOTHING

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cidentally-picked-2-325-bag-airport.html

I get he/she did something wrong, what I don't get is all these articles with hateful anti-trans undertones because somebody stole a bag. What does the fact he is trans have to do with it? Why isn't the title simply, "Sam Brinton, a senior DOE official, used Vera Bradley bag for a month after stealing it from the airport but claims it was an accident. White House says NOTHING"?
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 11/30/22 02:48 PM
Because it wouldn’t fit the narrative that a non-binary trans committed a crime and should’ve been charged and fired.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 12/08/22 06:41 PM
This Ridiculous "Regime" continues to DISGRACE America!

Biden-Harris Regime Trades America-Hating WNBA Lesbian Brittney Griner for Russian ‘Merchant of Death’, Leave Ex-Marine Behind . . .
. . . Deal Brokered by Saudi Prince!


Brittney Griner Freed From Russia In Exchange For ‘Merchant Of Death’, Ex-Marine Left Behind

MICAELA BURROW REPORTER December 08, 2022
8:40 AM ET

Russia has released jailed WNBA star Brittney Griner in exchange for notorious arms dealer Viktor Bout, known as the “Merchant of Death” after months of negotiations and hostility on both sides.

The prisoner swap will bring Griner home to the U.S. after she was apprehended in Moscow earlier this year and sentenced to 9 years in a Russian penal colony in August, fulfilling a Biden administration priority. Earlier leaks from the administration suggested the U.S. sought to include former Marine Paul Whelan, detained in Russia since 2018, in the exchange for Bout, but he will remain incarcerated in Russia, according to The Associated Press. (RELATED: CIA Director Meets With Russian Intelligence Chief To Discuss ‘Unjustly Detained’ Americans)

Authorities in Moscow arrested Griner on Feb. 17 after she attempted to leave the country with marijuana, which her lawyers claimed she used for medicinal purposes but is banned in Russia.

Griner pleaded guilty to charges of drug possession and smuggling in July, but denied malicious intent, according to Reuters.

However, she has attested that she inadvertently left the vape canisters containing the medical marijuana product in her luggage, CBS News reported.

“I’d like to plead guilty, your honor. But there was no intent. I didn’t want to break the law,” Griner told the court, Reuters reported.

The Biden administration reportedly offered to trade notorious arms dealer Viktor Bout in exchange for Griner’s freedom along with that of former Marine Paul Whelan in August, but the White House claimed it did not receive a positive response to the proposal from Russia, CBS News reported. Russia slammed the U.S. for disclosing the potential negotiations and said it would pursue the route of “quiet diplomacy.”

The State Department did not immediately respond to the Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/08/russia-frees-brittney-griner-viktor-bout/
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 12/08/22 06:47 PM
MICAH PARSONS BLASTS JOE BIDEN AFTER PRISONER SWAP FOR BRITTNEY GRINER: ‘STILL NOT VOTING FOR YOU
by MARK HARRIS
about 4 hours agoupdated about an hour ago

Dallas Cowboys star linebacker Micah Parsons wasted no time in calling out President Joe Biden following the news of Brittney Griner’s release from a Russian prison via a prisoner swap.

Editor’s Note: Parsons has since walked back his comments on Biden-Griner following social media backlash. OutKick’s updated story is here.

Griner was arrested in February at an airport in Moscow when customs officials said she was carrying vape cartridges containing hash oil.

When Griner pleaded guilty to the drug charges in July, she explained she had “packed in a hurry.” She was sentenced to nine years in prison after being convicted in a show trial.

Griner was released in return for notorious arms dealer Viktor Bout, aka ‘The Merchant of Death,’ who is known to be the most notorious arms deal in the history of the world.

Meanwhile, former U.S. Marine Paul Whelan is still sitting in a Russian prison after being accused of spying in December of 2018.

Parsons, and many others, took issue with the fact that the Biden administration seems to have prioritized freeing Griner before a former service member who is wrongfully being detained.

[Linked Image from outkick.com]

Biden confirmed during a brief press conference on Thursday morning that “She’s safe. She’s on a plane. She’s on her way home.” He also went on to say Griner “represents the best of America.”

Parsons wasn’t done criticizing the President, as 45 minutes later he quote tweeted a post from Biden’s official account writing “We still not voting for you!”

[Linked Image from outkick.com]

There is no question that millions of Americans share Parson’s frustrations about Whelan’s situation and how Griner’s unfolded, but seeing the Cowboys’ star go public with his anger is certainly surprising.

What isn’t surprising is Parsons feeling the need to explain his tweets calling out the President. He wants the record to show that he’s “the furthest thing from a Trump supporter” but “not a fan of Biden either.”

[Linked Image from outkick.com]
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/08/22 06:49 PM
Quote
Biden-Harris Regime

rofl only Nazi’s, communist’s, and Fascists open a article with this kind of verbiage. Try again. BTW the Communist regime in Russia didn’t offer up the Marine. It was one or none. But you go girl with your trolling.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 02:23 PM
Biden's non-binary drag queen nuclear waste guru Sam Brinton is accused of stealing ANOTHER bag from airport in Las Vegas - months after similar incident in Minneapolis

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-guru-charged-stealing-bag-airport.html
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 02:47 PM
Quote
Biden's non-binary drag queen

I usually question the sexual orientation of someone who opens a post with this kind of verbiage. But I’ll resist that urge here.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Quote
Biden's non-binary drag queen

I usually question the sexual orientation of someone who opens a post with this kind of verbiage. But I’ll resist that urge here.

Ahhh... he's gay because he called someone who is a drag queen... a drag queen. But you won't call him gay, you'll only hint that he's gay and then say that you're not hinting that he's gay.


I usually question the intestinal fortitude of someone who wants to play bully but doesn't have the balls to go full-throttle, but I won't do that here.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 05:50 PM
Hey 3rd. What’s your sexual orientation. Seems FATE has some interest.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 06:31 PM
rofl

How do you manage to make such an interpretation? You must be a linguistics expert on the next level.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Hey 3rd. What’s your sexual orientation. Seems FATE has some interest.

So much for him questioning you on your "balls to go full-throttle".
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Quote
Biden's non-binary drag queen

I usually question the sexual orientation of someone who opens a post with this kind of verbiage. But I’ll resist that urge here.

Ahhh... he's gay because he called someone who is a drag queen... a drag queen. But you won't call him gay, you'll only hint that he's gay and then say that you're not hinting that he's gay.

Actually I didn't personally call him that, I just copied & pasted the header from the article, then the URL, same as I usually do (but not always) for news stories I post.

And Perfect, as far as my sexual orientation goes, I'm whatever you want me to be, sweet cheeks. naughtydevil
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 07:47 PM
Reading sources that have such incendiary titles as that speaks volumes. Do you really take things like that seriously? Why would you even read anything with a headline like that?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by 3rd_and_20
Biden's non-binary drag queen nuclear waste guru Sam Brinton is accused of stealing ANOTHER bag from airport in Las Vegas - months after similar incident in Minneapolis

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-guru-charged-stealing-bag-airport.html

Is Sam Brinton a drag queen? YES - self-professed
Is Sam Brinton non-binary? YES - He she they go by "them".
Is Sam Brinton a nuclear waste guru? YES - they had been working in a nuclear waste job in President Joe Biden's Department of Energy. They recently took a leave of absence, after being charged with felony theft the first time.
Did Sam Brinton steal luggage from an airport... again? YES - admitted to it and is, once again, charged with felony theft.

What exactly is "incendiary"?

"Why would anyone read that?" I guess because they wanted an accurate story of a DOE official twice accused of felony theft?
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:16 PM
Well, you can't believe any of the facts, cause he's (HE) is a democrat.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:25 PM
So you're saying that the headline is actually representative of the content of the article? Come on man.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Well, you can't believe any of the facts, cause he's (HE) is a democrat.


Yeah, that's it. Even you should be able to understand that headline is nothing but trash. Well, then again maybe not.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:26 PM
What in the headline is untrue?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:30 PM
That's not what I said. Stop trying to deflect. Is anything about that headline consistent with the context of the article? No. It's just nasty worded click bait. As I suggested, you either don't get it or don't want to. Neither is a good thing.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:35 PM
What is untrue about the headline?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:41 PM
NOTHING. Many here like to shoot down any bit of news that doesn't fit their narrative. They have three tools and usually try to combine any two for effect...

Fake outrage (How dare you say "x"? That's offensive!)
Deflection (What about Trump??)
Virtue signaling (You're picking on _____, you're a souless threat to democracy!)

In this case, #1 and #3. The news source is not to be trusted because of the way they described Sammy (even though it's 100% accurate). 3rd is a bad person for clicking on such an outrageously offensive story. And then posting it? The nerve!!
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:43 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
That's not what I said. Stop trying to deflect. Is anything about that headline consistent with the context of the article? No. It's just nasty worded click bait. As I suggested, you either don't get it or don't want to. Neither is a good thing.

Sam IS a drag queen.

Sam IS binary.

Sam wants to be known as both.

If you call it "nasty worded"... aren't you part of the problem?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:43 PM
What does the headline have to do with the story? Answering a question with a question is about what I would expect from you though. It's like you don't understand that using every gay or transsexual reference on a right wing news source isn't used to incite its readers and has zero to do with the content of the story. I guess you started taking notes From Frank Z.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
What does the headline have to do with the story? Answering a question with a question is about what I would expect from you though. It's like you don't understand that using every gay or transsexual reference on a right wing news source isn't used to incite its readers and has zero to do with the content of the story. I guess you started taking notes From Frank Z.

And I had nothing to do with this but you want to drag me into it in a oblique way. Spineless move.


But I am stalking you.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 08:54 PM
"Mountain meet mole hill. Mole hill meet Frank Z. He will help you grow into something you never had the possibility to be until he came along."

That makes twelve. When written in numerals it looks like this.... 12.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Quote
Biden's non-binary drag queen

I usually question the sexual orientation of someone who opens a post with this kind of verbiage. But I’ll resist that urge here.

Ahhh... he's gay because he called someone who is a drag queen... a drag queen. But you won't call him gay, you'll only hint that he's gay and then say that you're not hinting that he's gay.


I usually question the intestinal fortitude of someone who wants to play bully but doesn't have the balls to go full-throttle, but I won't do that here.

you do not have to be gay to be a drag queen
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
"Mountain meet mole hill. Mole hill meet Frank Z. He will help you grow into something you never had the possibility to be until he came along."

That makes twelve. When written in numerals it looks like this.... 12.

You are just babbling now to try and continue to earn your reputation for getting the last word.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 09:13 PM
Thanks. There is nothing in the headline that is inaccurate, misleading, or wrong. Got it.

But, oddly, when there is a shooting that gets covered in the media, if it's a white person doing the shooting, we know immediately. If it's someone of another race, it seldom gets mentioned.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 09:25 PM
And I suppose you think that who is shooting and who was shot aren't actually pertinent to the story and this is? Do you have the numbers or is that just your opinion? I see you have decided not to answer the question because you don''t have a legitimate answer for it. That figures.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 09:26 PM
Weak comeback. You're still not very good at this.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 09:28 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And I suppose you think that who is shooting and who was shot aren't actually pertinent to the story and this is? Do you have the numbers or is that just your opinion? I see you have decided not to answer the question because you don''t have a legitimate answer for it. That figures.

You don't understand, at all.

By the way, what was inaccurate in the headline?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 09:32 PM
Try answering my question that was posed first. Still dodging I see. Let me bold it for you. Maybe that will help you....

What did the headline have to do with the content of the story?
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 09:38 PM
It was descriptive, and accurate. Why do you hate facts?

Now, answer my question. What was inaccurate? Thanks in advance for not changing the topic.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Weak comeback. You're still not very good at this.


Is that like number 8 on your list?

And it is another example of your fallacy of credentials arguments.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/09/22 10:28 PM
Yes those facts are true but had nothing to do with the article. The headline was click bait for internet bullies to harass the accused. It works well for the MAGA haters.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/10/22 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Yes those facts are true but had nothing to do with the article. The headline was click bait for internet bullies to harass the accused. It works well for the MAGA haters.

And that was the entire point. Nothing in the headline was pertinent to the content of the article. Some people just can't step up to the plate and admit that.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/10/22 03:23 PM
Cry me a river. You are the biggest whiner on Dawgtalkers.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/11/22 02:46 PM
Headline Reads….

“Prostitute, Stormy Daniel’s golden shower loving, [censored] grabbing, paying customer, Donald Trump, stole classified documents from the USA.”
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/11/22 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Yes those facts are true but had nothing to do with the article. The headline was click bait for internet bullies to harass the accused. It works well for the MAGA haters.

And to point out how the exact same thing works from the other side.........

‘Don’t Say Gay’ law sponsor charged with pandemic aid fraud in Florida

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...rged-with-pandemic-aid-fraud-in-florida/

The fact he sponsored that bill has nothing o do with the story.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 03:13 PM
j/c:

Nuclear energy official Sam Brinton accused of stealing luggage at 2 different airports is no longer a US Department of Energy employee

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nuclear-energy-official-sam-brinton-031725000.html
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by 3rd_and_20
j/c:

Nuclear energy official Sam Brinton accused of stealing luggage at 2 different airports is no longer a US Department of Energy employee

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nuclear-energy-official-sam-brinton-031725000.html

Does they get to keep the stolen panties??
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 05:26 PM
Well hopefully the guy in Florida who sponsored the don't say gay bill won't get to keep the PPP money he defrauded from the government either.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 05:32 PM
Hopefully the Browns win the Super Bowl.

Hopefully we don't get too much snow this winter.

Hopefully this stain comes out of my favorite shirt.

#moreramblingthathasnothingtodowiththestory
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 05:39 PM
Awe, says the guy who thinks stealing luggage is more important than stealing PPP loan money. You are all worried about what happened to the panties. Isn't that cute.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 05:43 PM
Oh, I know what happened to the panties...


[Linked Image from a57.foxnews.com]
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 05:45 PM
And this is relative to the story how exactly? You seem to be trying to actually focus on everything but the news in this story with what appears to be homophobic tripe.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 06:04 PM
TROPE. Tripe comes from the stomach of a cow, junior.

It's not homophobic, don't get your panties in a bunch.

Dude they were stealing luggage so they could wear someone else's panties. That was his they's kink.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 06:14 PM
Yers, it sounds like something coming from the stomach of a cow. The part that comes out the backside. So your claim is that's the reason he stole the luggage?

I don't get my panties in a bunch. This is nothing more than a message board on the internet. So your claim is that picture you posted is about the content of the article? Really? Sure man, that's what it is.

rofl
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 07:44 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And this is relative to the story how exactly? You seem to be trying to actually focus on everything but the news in this story with what appears to be homophobic tripe.


Come now. You know how this works? Derailment of threads is just the standard and normal evolution of every thread here. Lol
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
TROPE. Tripe comes from the stomach of a cow, junior.

And on a helpful note so that you are no longer confused moving forward....

tripe

2. uncountable noun
You refer to something that someone has said or written as tripe when you think that it is silly and worthless.
[informal]

I've never heard such a load of tripe in all my life.

Synonyms: nonsense, rot [old-fashioned], trash, twaddle

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/tripe

You're welcome BTW.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 07:58 PM
I can’t wait to use “twaddle” in another thread now. Lol
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 08:07 PM
Fate will make the claim it doesn't mean what you claim it means, call you junior and it could only describe the way a duck walks.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Oh, I know what happened to the panties...


[Linked Image from a57.foxnews.com]

LOL...The new Biden "I Want You Now!"
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 09:58 PM
That is the Biden administration, which is the title of the thread, so I don't see the derailment.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 11:20 PM
Oh. you. guys... are so funny!

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Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/13/22 11:23 PM
Crap. It is "guys", right? I'm always worried about messing up the pronouns.

Here's Sammy's new pronoun: un/employed.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 12:08 AM
Mad Marxist Maxine Waters Flips Her Wig When GOP Congressman Prevents Her From Abruptly Ending FTX Hearing

Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Oh, I know what happened to the panties...


[Linked Image from a57.foxnews.com]

I can't believe how many beta males on the right feel threatened by this guy. He straight up looks like s sissy, but the entire right is scared he will spread his trans-ness as if it were communicable. This was before his whole stealing bags became a thing. Probably an extension of the hate they display toward trans kids. All you have to do in this country to see seething hate is to ask a GOPer zealot to love the other regardless... Christianity is a love-based religion, no? Pretty sure Jesus taught loving thy neighbor, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, treating the least of us as you would Christ himself, and being welcoming to strangers or those who are not one of us... Yeah, that sounds just like GOPers.

I know he stole and committed a crime, but it doesn't justify more posts about him unless you simply want to spread hate. I'm not defending what he did, or him in particular, but I find the 'spin' very telling. I could care less that he stole those purses and got himself fired. And I no more want to read about it than I would the thousands of employees across the country that get fired every day for petty theft. Trash-ass people like pedo Matt Gaetz get a complete pass from GOPers, but this guy drew their ire just for existing.

We get it, transexual or drag queen (not sure which) steals purses and embarrasses the right by existing. That's all we need to know.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 03:16 AM
So, no more posts about him or I'm "spreading hate".

Sounds about right. thumbsup
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 06:08 AM
O <- that's a hug so you can feel better about your victimhood boo-boo. Tear.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 10:19 AM
I see more and more reference to MAP. Minor attracted persons.

I wonder how long before that will be deemed OK by the left?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 03:02 PM
Yeah, and gay marriage was going to lead to people committing bestiality and people wanting to marry animals. It amazes me the stupidity some of you convince yourselves into believing and thinking.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yeah, and gay marriage was going to lead to people committing bestiality and people wanting to marry animals. It amazes me the stupidity some of you convince yourselves into believing and thinking.

Convinced themselves into believing?

“[Minor-attracted person] simply means that the person has an enduring sexual or romantic attraction to minors. They have not chosen this attraction, just as the rest of us have not chosen whatever our attraction is,” Galbreath said.

So all the sex therapists saying "it's not their fault" is fake news??
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 04:07 PM
So you think the left will adopt condoning pedophilia as well or no? Stop tap dancing around what Peen was inferring.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 05:09 PM
Nope. He doesn't either. He was "inferring" that there seems to be an unbridled effort to excuse every human condition as acceptable for the simple reason that the human has no control. Drugs kill people, guns kill people, the person somehow escapes responsibility; at least from the standpoint of the public and how the diagnose the problem. Everybody who has any problem deserves sympathy regardless of any effort towards personal responsibility.

His post is tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic, "where does it end?". I suspect you already knew that. It's funny how quickly you will shift from specific details to broad picture whenever the situation fits your need... and then insult based on how you have decided to frame the argument. Not funny ha-ha... funny peculiar.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
O <- that's a hug so you can feel better about your victimhood boo-boo. Tear.

Me the victim? lmfao. You just made poor Sam the victim -- a government official facing charges for felony grand-theft. Poor, poor Sammy.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Nope. He doesn't either. He was "inferring" that there seems to be an unbridled effort to excuse every human condition as acceptable for the simple reason that the human has no control. Drugs kill people, guns kill people, the person somehow escapes responsibility; at least from the standpoint of the public and how the diagnose the problem. Everybody who has any problem deserves sympathy regardless of any effort towards personal responsibility.

Yeah, that's it. Guns do kill people in the hands of the wrong people. Drugs do kill people once someone allows themselves to become addicted. And I agree that most everyone deserves some amount of sympathy but not excused for their lack of responsibility. I think you've decided to believe that the two can not coexist.

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It's funny how quickly you will shift from specific details to broad picture whenever the situation fits your need... and then insult based on how you have decided to frame the argument. Not funny ha-ha... funny peculiar.

And I think it's how you focus in on a single detail without looking at anything big picture when it fits your need as I've pointed out before. Insult based? Do you mean like trying to school someone playing the grammar police? And then when you got it wrong and were called out on it you believe it was you who were insulted? Like that?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 05:35 PM
lol. You need help. I believe I was insulted? Please explain how I thought I was insulted, I'll wait.

The catchphrase is "homophobic trope", that's what I thought you meant. I was wrong in your intent. Do you want a formal apology? I'm sorry Pitt, please forgive me. Please, also, bring it up eighteen more times. You work your ass off for the occasional win, you deserve this one. Goooo Pittt!!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 05:43 PM
I could care less about an apology. I actually thought it was hilarious that you seemed to have no idea that tripe had two meanings. It's odd how you spin in circles while claiming I only get "the occasional win". It seems as though you conduct yourself no differently than you accuse others of. But that seems to be a familiar theme on here.

And homophobic trope isn't some common catch phrase. But nice try.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 10:03 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I see more and more reference to MAP. Minor attracted persons.

I wonder how long before that will be deemed OK by the left?

The right deemed it ok for their chosen one to grab a women’s crotch’s. Go into teenage girls dressing rooms while they where naked and dressing. Ok to pay a prostitute for sex. Ok with golden showers. And who knows what else.

GOPers pfft Get over your self proclaimed righteousness.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 12/14/22 10:16 PM
It’s important in life to know when to stop arguing and to just let them be wrong.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 09:01 AM
'When is the FBI going to the raid the White House?': Trump leads Republican rage as he demands action after ten classified documents were found at Biden's think tank from his time as VP - when he did NOT have power to declassify documents

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Vice-President-documents-think-tank.html

P.S. When is the FBI going to raid the White House? No time soon.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 10:52 AM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I see more and more reference to MAP. Minor attracted persons.

I wonder how long before that will be deemed OK by the left?

The right deemed it ok for their chosen one to grab a women’s crotch’s. Go into teenage girls dressing rooms while they where naked and dressing. Ok to pay a prostitute for sex. Ok with golden showers. And who knows what else.

GOPers pfft Get over your self proclaimed righteousness.

You didn't answer the question. AS a matter of fact, it sounds like you don't care about that.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I see more and more reference to MAP. Minor attracted persons.

I wonder how long before that will be deemed OK by the left?

The right deemed it ok for their chosen one to grab a women’s crotch’s. Go into teenage girls dressing rooms while they where naked and dressing. Ok to pay a prostitute for sex. Ok with golden showers. And who knows what else.

GOPers pfft Get over your self proclaimed righteousness.

To be fair, everything you said is out in the open and factual, except the Golden Showers thing. I don't think that's proven....., of if it was, I totally missed it.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 02:06 PM
On another front, concerning the classified documents dicovered being held by President Biden for maybe the last 6-7 years, given the length of time, I wonder if he has sold some of them? Could be something to look at. It isn't beyond possible he holds more. Maybe the DOJ needs to storm the oval office. Or, maybe it is just oversight and there is nothing to it.

I guess what I am saying is it is funny how what goes around, comes around.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 03:02 PM
The DOJ is investigating the docs and they were turned over to them immediately when found. So before you get all giddy on Biden’s pending doom. Let’s get the facts. And if found guilty he should get the same as trump if he’s found guilty. Fair enough?
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 03:18 PM
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Let’s get the facts.

Oh, the irony.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
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Let’s get the facts.

Oh, the irony.

Exactly what are you referring to so we all can see this irony? Thanks in advance.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Maybe the DOJ needs to storm the oval office. Or, maybe it is just oversight and there is nothing to it.

I guess what I am saying is it is funny how what goes around, comes around.

I would imagine if he defied any subpoena's they gave to retrieve any documents they would serve a search warrant. Of course now you consider that "storming" some place. You see when these documents were discovered the national archives were notified immediately. They were turned over in less than 24 hours voluntarily. No trying to hide them. No turning over some of them and lying by claiming that was all of them and then defying a subpoena to turn them over. But I understand in your zeal to try and make them sound like the exact same thing you wish to overlook all of that.

There certainly should be an investigation as to how they got there and if they have been kept secure. If they find anything of value in those investigations, investigations should expand from there.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 06:14 PM
I wonder if the FBI will spread the docs all over the floor, take pics, and send them to the media??



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Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 06:21 PM
Well reports are there are less than 12 of them so it wouldn't be a very impressive photo. And it wouldn't be after defying a subpoena. You see, if you turn them over voluntarily or comply with a subpoena they don't have to send the FBI in to get them. When you don't have to send the FBI in to get documents the FBI isn't there to take those kind of of photos. I didn't really think anyone would need to explain that to you. My mistake on that one.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 06:37 PM
Any bets on who gets charged first…trump/Biden?
Posted By: hitt Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 07:17 PM
Only if there is a consistent LYING and THEFT involved. Facts are problems. Trump's lawyer CERTIFIED ALL classified had been returned.
Wrong. Trump's the best con man ever. Pays less taxes than most Americans and is a billionaire. WOW. And, he's so Presidential he's selling NFT cards.....what a business man, you got to be proud of him as a former President.....damn, suckers every person supporting him. And he's got millions of suckers....unbelievable.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 08:38 PM
How about waiting to see what they are? Maybe there were big secrets in them?

But "eh, just twelve documents, no biggy." 12 that are known, that is.

I'd like to see the left call for treason charges like they did for trump. But, eh, just 12 documents. That we know of. Hidden for years. Nothing to see here folks, move along, nothing to see here.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 08:44 PM
So you don't think lying about having turned them all over and refusing to comply with a subpoena makes any difference? Forcing the hand of the FBI to negotiate with your attorney's for six months and you still refuse to turn them over makes any difference? That giving the FBI no choice but to issue a search warrant in order to recover those documents makes any difference? Hopefully you're just pretending you don't see a huge difference in these two events.

As I said, they should investigate how they ended up there and if they've been secure. If they find anything suspicious during that investigation it should expand from there.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 09:32 PM
Who said Biden turned everything over? His lawyer. After some 6 years.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 09:47 PM
Who said they didn't? We know trump didn't. We also know it was the people who found the documents in that building that contacted the national archives to report they had them and turned them over immediately. Voluntarily. Why would they do that in order to hold on to more? Why would they bring attention on themselves needlessly that way? Sometimes you have to look at what makes sense and what doesn't. And yes, just ignore the rest of it.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/10/23 09:58 PM
Or, maybe just look at the facts. Biden took, and kept classified documents, just as trump did. I don't see the outrage from the left about biden doing it. Hmmm... What I see is excuses.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 02:31 AM
Look at the Trumpian Hoopleheads trying to compare Biden's attorneys finding docs that they were sent to check for to Trump's lying, hiding, and stealing of sensitive information. And I would go along with cracking down on these things, but Trump's crime was blatant and is ongoing. Biden's 'crime' is making sure he didn't have any issues going forward with Trump about to be prosecuted. I don't care if GOPers find the evidence to send Biden to jail, Joe, or Hunter, but I'll be damned if that gets Trump off the hook. Trump needs to die behind bars at this point.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 02:36 AM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Or, maybe just look at the facts. Biden took, and kept classified documents, just as trump did. I don't see the outrage from the left about biden doing it. Hmmm... What I see is excuses.

NO. Biden apparently had docs at the think tank; call me when they find them all over his home and businesses. Trump's crime is nowhere near the same level as Biden's having some docs at a think tank. Trump's actions were intentional, and eventually we'll probably find out he sold state secrets. Unfortunately, he'll probably be dead by then.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 03:19 AM
As I said, excuses will come. You just did.

What 'think tank'? It was an old office that just happened to have "some" classified documents, and here you are excusing it.

Oh, by the way, classified documents aren't allowed at a "think tank" anyway. But, make excuses.

And it's laughable you feel trump sold state secrets, yet totally ignore that biden might have also.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 04:27 AM
No, I'm not making excuses for Biden; I'm saying not one bit of this matters regarding Trump deserving jail time. Do what you want with the Bidens. Trump deserves jail time at a minimum IMO. Personally, I think traitors should be hanged. And I don't think people who voted for traitors should be trusted, either. You and your ilk think they have a gotcha moment over this. Lmao. Haven't you figured out the left is NOT AFRAID to hold our politicians accountable? It's the right that won't prosecute their traitorous trash-ass politicians. And the left will cooperate with any investigation and prosecute any REAL wrongdoing in this Biden docs case, fully and fairly, working with GOPers if need be. When you can say that about Rs, you can throw shade; until then, you can't.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Or, maybe just look at the facts. Biden took, and kept classified documents, just as trump did. I don't see the outrage from the left about biden doing it. Hmmm... What I see is excuses.

I'm not sure what part of this you're missing....

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There certainly should be an investigation as to how they got there and if they have been kept secure. If they find anything of value in those investigations, investigations should expand from there.

First the facts must be established as to who took them. Thus far we don't know that. We certainly know they ended up in his office. That's not making excuses in case you missed something. We don't know if those documents were ordered by Biden to be taken. I also didn't see any outrage when Trump intentionally lied about having such documents. When it was demanded he turn them over he only turned over a small fraction of them and lied by claiming that's all of them he had. That he refused to comply with a subpoena by continuing to withhold hundreds more of them.

If a connection can be made that Biden ordered or hid these documents as my above comments suggest, further investigations of Biden should move forward. Thus far you have claimed that "Biden took them" which has not been established as a fact.

Maybe you can explain how me saying investigations should begin and go where the evidence of those investigations leads is an excuse? Because it's not.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 03:46 PM
The DOJ should charge Biden and trump on the same day. Just to be fair. Let the chips fall where they may. Watch how fast Hunter’s laptop is forgotten.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
As I said, excuses will come. You just did.

What 'think tank'? It was an old office that just happened to have "some" classified documents, and here you are excusing it.

Oh, by the way, classified documents aren't allowed at a "think tank" anyway. But, make excuses.

And it's laughable you feel trump sold state secrets, yet totally ignore that biden might have also.

No excuses,, if it's found that Biden took classified documents, then he will deserve the same fate Trump gets.. Nobody is above the law.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 04:51 PM
Well you knew somebody had to show a sense of faux outrage.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 05:02 PM
... in the house of faux outrage.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 05:24 PM
Nah. I'm pretty sure that proof of defying subpoenas, claiming you turned over all of the documents when you still kept hundreds of them and forcing the FBI's hand into having to issue a search warrant in order to get them would bring about at least some form of outrage. By anyone that pays attention to that kind of thing of course.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by 3rd_and_20
j/c:

Nuclear energy official Sam Brinton accused of stealing luggage at 2 different airports is no longer a US Department of Energy employee

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nuclear-energy-official-sam-brinton-031725000.html

He ruined a good job for himself. He was making $178,063 per year. Good money, or at least I think so.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 07:22 PM
That’s what usually happens. Put an “R” beside your name and you get a slap on the wrist or less.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Biden Admin - 01/11/23 10:27 PM
Well, this is going to get interesting. I wonder what they did with the ones they didn't turn over.

https://us.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/biden-classified-documents/index.html


Biden’s legal team found another batch of government records in search of second location

President Joe Biden’s legal team found another batch of government records in a search of a second location, according to people briefed on the matter.

The discovery came during searches that followed the initial discovery in November of classified documents from Biden’s time as vice president at his former think tank office. That effort led to the discovery of additional documents of interest to federal officials reviewing the matter, one of the sources said.

NBC first reported the new batch of documents and said they included classified documents.


The discovery of the classified documents in November set off alarm bells inside the White House, where only a small circle of advisers and lawyers were aware of the matter. An effort was launched to search other locations where documents from Biden’s time as vice president may have been stored.

The White House declined to comment on the matter.

Earlier on Wednesday, the White House refused to answer a number of critical questions about the classified documents from Biden’s time as vice president discovered inside a private office last fall, citing an ongoing Department of Justice review.

The documents were discovered on November 2, just six days before the midterm elections, but the president’s attorneys only publicly acknowledged the discovery of the documents on Monday – when news reports about the discovery broke.

The government materials were found while closing out a Washington, DC-based office – the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. The items discovered include 10 classified documents including US intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Biden said Tuesday that he did not know that some classified documents had been taken to his private office after he had left the vice presidency and that his attorneys “did what they should have done” by immediately contacting the National Archives and Records Administration after the documents were found in November.


The documents, the president said, were found in “a box, locked cabinet – or at least a closet.”

Still, key questions about the situation remain unanswered.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre refused to answer a number questions about the documents, citing the Justice Department’s ongoing review of the matter. She could not say who brought the documents into the office or whether other documents were found. Nor could she say whether an audit was underway to locate other possible documents or when the president had been briefed on the discovery of the documents.

She also could not provide assurances there weren’t any additional classified materials in any other offices.

“This is under review by the Department of Justice. I’m not going to go beyond what the president shared yesterday,” Jean-Pierre said, repeating the explanation in so many words over the course of Wednesday’s press briefing. “I’m not going to go beyond what my colleagues at the White House counsel shared with all of you as well.”

The situation has triggered criticism by Republicans, who argue that the federal government has set a political double standard in their approach to mishandled documents. But there is a stark contrast between the emerging scenario with Biden and the ongoing saga with former President Donald Trump – who, for instance, resisted turning over the documents in his possession. Trump’s legal team now believes they will benefit from the revelation that Biden had classified documents in his possession after he left office, multiple sources say.

On Wednesday, Jean-Pierre could not answer critical questions about why Biden or his lawyers did not disclose the discovery to the public earlier, especially given the timing ahead of the 2022 elections.

Jean-Pierre did say she’d spoken with Biden about the unfolding story as they were traveling in Mexico earlier this week. But she said she hadn’t spoken to the president about the documents themselves.

Pressed on whether the way the situation has played out has undercut the president’s longstanding public commitment to transparency, Jean-Pierre responded, “When his lawyers realized that these documents were there, they turned them over to the Archives. They did the right thing.”

Attorney General Merrick Garland has asked the US attorney in Chicago to review the matter, a source familiar with the matter previously told CNN, a process that is still in a preliminary stage.

That US attorney, John Lausch Jr., has already completed the initial part of his inquiry, a source familiar with his work told CNN. He has provided his preliminary findings to Garland, the source said.

That means Garland now faces a critical decision on how to proceed, including whether to open a full-blown criminal investigation. Garland was also personally involved in some of the key decision-making related to the Trump documents investigation and the decision to send the FBI to search Mar-a-Lago.

Trump’s legal team has argued privately that the revelation of the documents in Biden’s possession puts Garland in a tough position of deciding whether to appoint a special counsel.

While Republicans and Trump’s allies have drawn comparisons between the two, Trump had several hundred documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence and resisted the government’s efforts to retrieve them while Biden’s attorneys turned the documents over the day after finding them. Yet Trump’s legal team has discussed the matter internally and ultimately believes it will help their legal case, including their argument about how easy it is for former presidents to take documents labeled classified when they leave office.

“This is huge for us,” one source close to the legal team told CNN.

The White House is also facing bipartisan scrutiny from the Senate Intelligence Committee, the leaders of which sent a letter to Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines asking for access to the documents found at Biden’s private office, a spokesperson for Sen. Marco Rubio told CNN.

The letter from Rubio and the committee’s chairman, Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, also requests the DNI provide a damage assessment as well as a briefing on both the documents found at Biden’s office and those recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence, the spokesperson added.

Warner and Rubio submitted a nearly identical request for information following the Mar-a-Lago raid.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 12:03 AM
Oh, come on now. It was only 12 documents in 1 place...........wait, there's more? In a different place? Eh, move along, nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see at all.

Reported by CNN no less. And they involve Ukraine? As per Cnn

At least the president knew this, even though he didn't know he had the documents in the first case: " the president said, were found in “a box, locked cabinet – or at least a closet.”

But now more documents, in a different location?

But again, ask the libs - this is totally different, right?

Yesterday we were told all the documents were found and returned, yet today we learn of MORE in a different place. Has to make one wonder how many got sold, how many more there are and where, and when the FBI starts raiding biden's homes.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:20 AM
Charge them all. Send Trump to jail first.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Oh, come on now. It was only 12 documents in 1 place...........wait, there's more? In a different place? Eh, move along, nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see at all.

Reported by CNN no less. And they involve Ukraine? As per Cnn

At least the president knew this, even though he didn't know he had the documents in the first case: " the president said, were found in “a box, locked cabinet – or at least a closet.”

But now more documents, in a different location?

But again, ask the libs - this is totally different, right?

Yesterday we were told all the documents were found and returned, yet today we learn of MORE in a different place. Has to make one wonder how many got sold, how many more there are and where, and when the FBI starts raiding biden's homes.

There is plenty to see here. Biden is just as guilty for taking classified documents as trump is. And I don’t think the media is downplaying anything as you suggest. Otherwise they wouldn’t cover it as much as they do. Meanwhile the extreme Fox News is covering Biden’s case more than they did trump’s case. And according to trump a sitting president can’t be indicted for anything, remember? And I feel sorry for your ignorance about how trump lied to the FBI, DOJ and the Nation archives on his possession of classified documents. You know the big difference between the two cases.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 02:37 PM
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I wonder what they did with the ones they didn't turn over.

Probably the exact same thing trump did. rofl
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:09 PM
It is odd isn't it? The liberal media is reporting it. In fact the very article Super posted was CNN. I've seen stories about it on NBC and CBS as well. And I didn't see any of them downplay it. Not only I but others have said there needs to be an investigation. And arch is still acting like nobody thinks it's a big deal.

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Eh, move along, nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see at all.

What a crock of BS.

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But again, ask the libs - this is totally different, right?

And as has been pointed out to him, yes the circumstances around what happened are very different. Nobody had to issue a subpoena to get these documents. Nobody refused to comply with a subpoena and lied about having additional documents to the point that a search warrant had to be issued to get the documents.

So yes, in many ways this is different. But somehow that seems to go over arches head.

But in both cases documents were taken that should not have been taken. An investigation of this should certainly move forward. I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise no matter the tantrum we are all witnessing.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:15 PM
Biden Says Not Like Documents Were ‘Sitting Out in the Street’


rofl Seems Biden has some more "mistakenly placed" documents in his garage with his Corvette.

It's okay Joe, we "know how seriously you take classified documents"...

Or maybe it's "we know how you seriously take classified documents", and you're just having a hard time reading the teleprompter.


Classified documents concerning China, Ukraine, Iran... hmm...

I wonder if any of this has to do with any "significant and voluminous evidence", possessed by the FBI, of potential criminal conduct by James and Hunter Biden?

Eh, probably not... Nothing to see here folks.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:28 PM
Maybe he declassified them by thinking it?

Trump baselessly claimed he could have declassified documents just by thinking about declassifying them

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...documents-thinking-about-doing-it-2022-9

Where were you then?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:37 PM
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump...
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:45 PM
rofl typical Goper’s get the pass while sensationalizing the same crime on the opposition. So you can stop with the “nothing to see here” crap, because Goper’s have been playing that game for years.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump...

Yeah, pointing out the double standard between the two is frowned upon by those who ignored one and focus on the other.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:48 PM
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Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 04:58 PM
Is that Mitch Mac on hearings for Supreme Court nominations?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 05:23 PM
Yeah that's it. Claiming it's my fault you have shown your hypocrisy between the two is your last ditch, desperation move to deny it. But then when that's all you have left who could blame you?
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 05:34 PM
That’s his way of claiming some sort of victory. Just throw out a stupid meme to say you’re done here.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 05:35 PM



Sleepy Joe:
"How could that possibly happen? How could anyone be that irresponsible? Just... totally irresponsible." saywhat 🤣


Biden, intimately involved in the raid... said he knew nothing, then the truth came out. #liarinchief

Anyone find it strange that the National Archives initiates an outright raid on Trump. But says nothing about Biden's documents 'til after the midterms... Like, buries the story lol.

Nothing to see here folks.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Oh, come on now. It was only 12 documents in 1 place...........wait, there's more? In a different place? Eh, move along, nothing to see here folks. Nothing to see at all.

Reported by CNN no less. And they involve Ukraine? As per Cnn

At least the president knew this, even though he didn't know he had the documents in the first case: " the president said, were found in “a box, locked cabinet – or at least a closet.”

But now more documents, in a different location?

But again, ask the libs - this is totally different, right?

Yesterday we were told all the documents were found and returned, yet today we learn of MORE in a different place. Has to make one wonder how many got sold, how many more there are and where, and when the FBI starts raiding biden's homes.

What did Biden and his team do when informed of the existence of these documents? They immediately turned them in. Both times. No arguments, yelling, screaming, lying.. Nothing. He just turned them in. What did Trump do? Trump accused the FBI of planting them. Then he demanded them back. Think about that,,,, he says the FBI planted them but he wants them back..?

Biden isn't mounting any defense attempting to blame anyone else.. That's all Trump does,, Blame everyone but himself.

Is there a difference,, YEAH.. There is a difference in the way each is handling the situation.

Having said that, if Biden stole those docs, then whatever jail they send trump too, Biden ought to be in the cell next door.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Eh, probably not... Nothing to see here folks.

And yet absolutely nobody has said that. A figment of your imagination maybe?
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 06:43 PM
I really don’t think either will go to jail for having classified documents. But lying to the FBI and DOJ. And just basically not cooperating with their investigation should require some jail time.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
Eh, probably not... Nothing to see here folks.

And yet absolutely nobody has said that. A figment of your imagination maybe?

Not really.


"Not Like Documents Were ‘Sitting Out in the Street’" BIDEN

"The mishandling of classified information does happen quite a bit, every day within the federal government," CIA

"Just a GOP revenge plan". MSNBC

"These documents were inadvertently misplaced" WHITE HOUSE

"Just a 'small number' of documents" VIRTUALLY EVERYONE
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 07:15 PM
The party of law and order. When it’s convenient. Otherwise anything goes. Goper’s pfffft.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 07:36 PM
So now the CIA is involved in some coverup? Can you tell me if what the CIA said was inaccurate? I have no idea if it is or not. But then I don't think you do either.

You are posting here on this board. It would seem logical that you are addressing the posters on this board. You have now qualified that as of now you aren't.

Could you explain to me what is incorrect or misleading about the fact it was a small amount of documents?

Most certainly the goal post is that both are wrong. That is the entire premise these discussions are based on is the actual goal post here. There are certainly many differences in how those two cases were handled and conducted beyond that however. Pointing that out isn't moving the goal post. Pointing out that some totally ignored the first instance and focus on the second instance isn't moving the goal post.

As it pertains to the posters on this board I haven't seen anyone claim that in both cases having possession of top secret documents isn't wrong. I haven't seen anyone claim that Biden shouldn't be investigated just like trump was. Of course you will have fringe elements on both sides that try to minimize the wrongdoing depending on their political leanings. But that is the exception to the rule and not the rule itself.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 08:38 PM
Uhhh, boy oh boy.

Didn't say the CIA was involved in a cover-up. And yes, that was a statement from the CIA to CNN. I'll get you the link if you want, so you can further psychoanalyze the simple premise... They seem to think it is no big deal.

JUST HOW FAR down a rabbit-hole do you want to go to prove that everything I said was disingenuous because of the simple statement... "Nothing to see here!"??

Just because I make a statement about the pulse of the media and world... and disparity between treatment from president to president, doesn't mean I'm accusing "posters here" of anything. Hell, Former CIA Director Michael Hayden seemed to endorse the execution of former president Donald Trump if Nuclear documents were found. You know, back when everyone was screaming "Nuclear documents!"... for absolutely no reason at all.

I'm pointing out hypocrisy, and the constant downplaying of poor Joe's role in his own hypocrisy. I don't need to qualify that to whether posters here are doing that or not.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 09:46 PM
willynilly no outrage shown on right wing media outlets when trump was found holding classified docs or lying to the National Archives, FBI and DOJ. Nothing to see there right?

Goper’s pffft.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 10:24 PM
These cases shouldn't be compared. They should be investigated and prosecuted separately on their own merits. Finger pointing between the children in office and the media just takes the focus off of the seriousness of these crimes. Yes, they are crimes.....these classified documents were stolen and in the private possession of ex office holders who had clearance and access to them while in office.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/12/23 10:31 PM
I agree. I just don’t see a sitting president being charged with a crime in this case. They still haven’t charged trump for any crimes.
Posted By: jaybird Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 01:56 AM
I say we raid all the former president's places... feel like there's tons of stuff out there that shouldn't be smile
Posted By: Squires Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 02:45 AM
The government clearly has a problem keeping track of classified documents. They should put airtags on all classified documents.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 05:58 AM
Originally Posted by Squires
The government clearly has a problem keeping track of classified documents. They should put airtags on all classified documents.


I don't have a problem with this idea at all.
'Airtags' might not be the immediate answer, but SOME similar answer should already be in the works, if we are to trust our national security.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 02:26 PM
Most people that have access to classified documents can remember what they read and return them. Guess anyone that can’t remember this or refuses to return them or destroys them shouldn’t be fit for office. But I don’t suspect the MAGA Goper’s will think this way about their candidate.

As an after thought Biden could turn this into a positive by being found guilty as charged, impeached, and declared unfit to ever hold any government office again. trump gets the same. Kamy becomes the first Women POTUS.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 04:34 PM
I asked you a couple of very basic questions based on your own premise.

Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
Eh, probably not... Nothing to see here folks.

And yet absolutely nobody has said that. A figment of your imagination maybe?

Not really.


"Not Like Documents Were ‘Sitting Out in the Street’" BIDEN

"The mishandling of classified information does happen quite a bit, every day within the federal government," CIA

"Just a GOP revenge plan". MSNBC

"These documents were inadvertently misplaced" WHITE HOUSE

"Just a 'small number' of documents" VIRTUALLY EVERYONE

You attempted to assert that people were acting like "there's nothing to see here". Biden's comment about not sitting in the street is nothing more than an excuse. But since when did the media not report what the accused said regarding the topic? They did the exact same thing with trump. You avoided addressing the CIA's comment. Does this happen quite a bit, every day or not? And if so how would that be trying to downplay anything if it's an accurate statement? And yes, the "revenge plan" comment is an excuse. Whether these documents were inadvertently misplaced or not remains to be seen but whether that's true or not having them is still a crime. But you do realize this is the second comment you used that came from Biden or his spokespeople at the White House, right? Not the media or "people" as you indicated. Of course they're going to downplay it. Trump did the same thing for months.

And once again, a "small amount of documents" is totally accurate. Especially in terms of comparing the two. I don't believe some of these things say what you think they say.

But let's look at what's actually being done. The FBI has been investigating it since the documents were first turned over. Yesterday Garland appointed special counsel Robert Hur to investigate this as well. To avoid any appearance of bias, favoritism or impropriety, Robert Hur is a trump appointed judge. These are the exact same measures that were taken in the trump document situation.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 04:43 PM
I'm just going to take the "L" on this one.

You've proven that there are a lot of 'holes' in my story. You've applied more than enough what-about-trump-isms.

In short, you've proven me a fool.

A deserved the whoopin' I got... I feel like the proper response is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another".
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 05:02 PM
When people are comparing these two events, there isn't a "whatabout". It's the comparison of two similar events. Very similar in this situation. It's also showing the differences in the two events. As I expected you avoided the actual questions and having a civil dialogue like the plague and instead are trying to shift the blame on me for asking them. Typical.
Posted By: hitt Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 05:17 PM
JMHO, Apply the who,what, where, when, why, how to each example of lost classified. Problem, politicians see so much "classified" it becomes like NOTHING SPECIAL. Trump- cavalier approach- I've seen it, briefed on it, it's mine, not the governments. Wrong.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 05:26 PM
I hate to be the one to break it to you... there is only ever a slim chance of "civil dialogue" when one party constantly takes the position of interrogator. That's your m.o. at this site. Tear apart every post with the skill of a forensic expert, cherry-pick the parts you don't like, turn it into an ancillary argument that has little to nothing to do with the original intent of the post or flow of the conversation. And then scream "answer the questions!!".

Again, here, you've turned "nothing to see here" into a multi-page argument that has nothing to do with my original post. Of course, first you started with "Trump! Where were you then?!?"

Some days I find it fascinating and engage -- mostly because I enjoy the entertainment. Some days I don't have the energy to argue -- this is one of those days.

I'd rather just say "you're right" and move on. Take the dub, bro.

Have a nice day.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 06:17 PM
There was nothing in my posts directed to you that were out of line. I actually quoted your post and broke it down line by line. That's the very opposite for the definition of cherry picking. I asked you basic questions about each point you made line by line.

You refused to address those questions and made the decision to come after me rather than have that discussion. Now you wish to deflect those actions by blaming me for it. Attacking me won't change the fact you refuse to show the validity of your comments. That's on you no matter how hard you try to persuade others to the contrary. I don't think you actually believe that either

And labeling someone trying to engage in a discussion as "an argument" isn't going to convince anyone either. Everyone can see I was nothing but civil to you and what your reactions have been to that.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
Eh, probably not... Nothing to see here folks.

And yet absolutely nobody has said that. A figment of your imagination maybe?

Not really.


"Not Like Documents Were ‘Sitting Out in the Street’" BIDEN

"The mishandling of classified information does happen quite a bit, every day within the federal government," CIA

"Just a GOP revenge plan". MSNBC

"These documents were inadvertently misplaced" WHITE HOUSE

"Just a 'small number' of documents" VIRTUALLY EVERYONE

This is what you are trying to tear apart. You want to psychoanalyze each statement. It's simple:

It points to the fact that many people (although maybe not those here) think this is NO BIG DEAL.

Get it? That's where "nothing to see here" comes from?? It is literally so simple a four-year-old could understand.


I'm done, if I want anymore intellectual stimulus I'll go talk to the mailbox.


Get. your. last. word.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
Eh, probably not... Nothing to see here folks.

And yet absolutely nobody has said that. A figment of your imagination maybe?

Not really.


"Not Like Documents Were ‘Sitting Out in the Street’" BIDEN

"The mishandling of classified information does happen quite a bit, every day within the federal government," CIA

"Just a GOP revenge plan". MSNBC

"These documents were inadvertently misplaced" WHITE HOUSE

"Just a 'small number' of documents" VIRTUALLY EVERYONE

This is what you are trying to tear apart. You want to psychoanalyze each statement. It's simple:

It points to the fact that many people (although maybe not those here) think this is NO BIG DEAL.

Get it? That's where "nothing to see here" comes from?? It is literally so simple a four-year-old could understand.


I'm done, if I want anymore intellectual stimulus I'll go talk to the mailbox.


Get. your. last. word.

So you still won't answer how the CIA comment is accurate or not. If it's an accurate statement it isn't an indication that "there's nothing to see here".

And yes, in comparison to the trump case it is a small number of documents. Actually it's a pretty small number of documents period. Why are you trying to use a statement of fact to prove a point that isn't there? Maybe the problem is that you're three years old? Because I don't think a four year old would be so confused to try and use factual statements as a basis for claiming it's trying to be downplayed.

These are pretty basic questions that nobody needs to psychoanalyze to see. But yet again your attack on me seems to be your only answer rather than to actually address anything.

It is a small number of documents. That's a fact and not spin.

Nothing you have done indicates that the CIA comment is inaccurate in any way yet your claim is that it's some attempt to claim "there's nothing to see here".

Of course at this point I can't really blame you for trying to place the focus on me that you don't really have anything to use as a basis for the comments I pointed out. It's how people around here usually respond when they can't defend their assertions. I did however think you were smart enough to be a little more original than that. My bad.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 08:23 PM
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Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 10:26 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Most people that have access to classified documents can remember what they read and return them. Guess anyone that can’t remember this or refuses to return them or destroys them shouldn’t be fit for office. But I don’t suspect the MAGA Goper’s will think this way about their candidate.

As an after thought Biden could turn this into a positive by being found guilty as charged, impeached, and declared unfit to ever hold any government office again. trump gets the same. Kamy becomes the first Women POTUS.

This is inconvenient, I understand, but President Biden has sat on these for years. Who knows what harm that may have caused to national security?

Now, the press asks him questions and he sits there like a dummy. I also see how this was discovered and covered-up before the mid-terms. This information was discovered over 2 months ago only to finally leak out now.

Some dirty goings on here, folks.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 10:29 PM
Not to mention Hunter has that house listed as his residence and has shady dealings with other countries. Who knows what he got into.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 10:39 PM
I didn't even want to bring that up.....sometimes you have to spoon feed.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/13/23 11:20 PM
The clamps are beginning to tighten. Now the NYT is backtracking on info about the then VP and his sons dealing with Russia and China.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 02:18 PM
Are you going to spoon feed us evidence as well? Innocent until proven guilty only works on the Goper side we see. All of a sudden….. outrage from the right…. rofl where was that on Jan 6th and trumps stolen classified docs? Two faced Goper’s crack me up every time.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 04:01 PM
They don't care about evidence. Only right wing accusations. There are currently two investigations into this. The FBI investigation who is ran by a Trump appointee and a Special Counsel investigation which will be ran by a trump appointed judge.

The fact is that both Trump and Biden held top secret documents which is wrong on both their parts. Beyond that almost everything about the two situations is totally different. When trump did the same thing you didn't hear a peep out of them. Now you hear their right wing outrage.

Trump withheld hundreds of secret documents. We heard crickets. He turned over less than 40 of those and lied saying that's all he had. We heard crickets. Then he defied a subpoena for the documents as the FBI negotiated with him for several months to turn over the hundreds he withheld in an effort not to make a public spectacle out of it. We heard crickets. Finally the FBI had no choice but to serve a search warrant to retrieve the hundreds of documents he reused to turn over. We heard crickets.

Suddenly now it's a big deal.

It is a big deal. But it was a big deal then too. An even bigger deal considering the lengths officials had to go to in order to get those documents.

Still no charges against trump.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 04:20 PM
All of that is being discussed on other threads...this is about the current President.

It isn't looking good. So much to investigate...
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 04:25 PM
Yet one looks obviously worse than the other.

And just for the sake of clarification here. The "other thread" you are speaking of it about an FBI raid to get top secret documents. Something that never happened in the case of Biden. So if a thread about the FBI raid on trump is fair game for such a discussion, so is this one. A little consistency would be nice.

It seems you promote people intermingling a thread about the raid on trump but not so much this thread be treated the same way.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 04:48 PM
The entire system needs burned to the ground. This country is doomed.
I’m so glad I didn’t have kids to leave behind in this mess.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
All of that is being discussed on other threads...this is about the current President.

It isn't looking good. So much to investigate...

WOW.,. You didn't say that when it came to Trump....All you and others did is make excuses for that criminal. (yes, I think he's a criminal)

If Biden did something wrong, nail his butt to the wall.. I'm all good with that.

But remember when Trump said that the FBI planted those documents at Mar A Lago? Remember that. What would you think if they found out that Trump supporters planted stuff at Bidens places?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 07:17 PM
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 07:21 PM
Remember trump? It's been discussed, and still is being discussed.

Poor old Joe. Even more papers - classified - found today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-165811239.html

But trump trump trump.....
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 07:22 PM
j/c:

THIRD batch of classified documents found at Biden's Delaware home: White House Special Counsel uncovers five more pages after he was sent to investigate when President's attorneys were told they didn't have clearance to keep searching

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ments-Bidens-Delaware-home.html#comments
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
But trump trump trump.....

Yet you are one of the very posters who was over on the thread about the FBI search warrant on trump thread talking about Biden. It's always interesting to see hypocrisy rear its ugly head.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/14/23 08:20 PM
j/c

Total number of Biden documents known to be marked classified is about 20, source says

The approximately 10 documents marked classified and discovered at the Penn Biden Center included top-secret material, according to a federal law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.

Top secret is the highest of the three basic levels of classification: confidential, secret and top secret. A leak of top secret information could cause "exceptionally grave damage."

Fewer than 10 documents marked classified were found at the Biden residence in Wilmington, Del., and none were marked top secret.

In all, the source said, the total number of known documents marked classified is roughly 20, between the two locations. 

CBS News reported Monday that roughly 10 documents with classified markings had been found at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Washington. The documents were from President Biden's vice-presidential office at the center.

Then on Thursday, the White House confirmed that a second group of records with classified markings dating from Mr. Biden's time as vice president had been found in his home in Wilmington, Delaware. 

On the same day, Attorney General Merrick Garland named a special counsel, Robert Hur, to oversee the investigation into the documents. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-...v4hmnmldDe4vObIKIraKtMy8q0za-DkDj2hK-NjE
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
All of that is being discussed on other threads...this is about the current President.

It isn't looking good. So much to investigate...

Have at it. Maybe y'all can put Biden or his boy in the cell next to Donny and his family. But none of this changes a thing about Trump. You have to be a fool not to see the difference between the Trump and Biden documents cases. I'm not saying Biden did nothing wrong because I don't know that to be certain. But I am saying Trump's crime was intentional and is ongoing. From early reports, Biden's "crime" was not intentional, and they seem to be cooperating and working to resolve the situation. Unlike Trump, he's not hiding them or trying to say they are his to keep. And instead of admitting any kind of mistake, then promptly returning the docs, Trump moved and hid them like a shell game for months while DENYING he had them. Additionally, true patriotic Americans are way less worried about Biden's potential to sell state secrets vs. Trump's. Trump has proven he doesn't give a damn about this country; after the 6th, you'd have to be a real to defend him.

And I agree with the right that, on the surface, the situations with these government docs in Biden's and Trump's possession seem the same... But are they really? Time will tell, but if they both committed equal crimes, they should get the same punishment. However, I feel they are nowhere near equal crimes, and the DOJ will reach the same conclusion. Comparing a decent man like Biden to Trump's traitorous ass, any thinking person can reach the same conclusion unless they drank the Trump kool-aid.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 04:20 AM
j/c...

Didn't the White House say Thursday that the search was complete and there were no more docs?

#thelieskeepcoming
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 04:24 AM
Also, I wonder if they looked in more obvious places. Under the bed, stuck to the fridge... next to the dog's homework. At this point the real story is how many different places Joe kept unsecured classified documents.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 05:09 AM
LMAO
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Also, I wonder if they looked in more obvious places. Under the bed, stuck to the fridge... next to the dog's homework. At this point the real story is how many different places Joe kept unsecured classified documents.

Maybe they need to search his buddy "Corn Pops" house?
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
All of that is being discussed on other threads...this is about the current President.

It isn't looking good. So much to investigate...

Have at it. Maybe y'all can put Biden or his boy in the cell next to Donny and his family. But none of this changes a thing about Trump. You have to be a fool not to see the difference between the Trump and Biden documents cases. I'm not saying Biden did nothing wrong because I don't know that to be certain. But I am saying Trump's crime was intentional and is ongoing. From early reports, Biden's "crime" was not intentional, and they seem to be cooperating and working to resolve the situation. Unlike Trump, he's not hiding them or trying to say they are his to keep. And instead of admitting any kind of mistake, then promptly returning the docs, Trump moved and hid them like a shell game for months while DENYING he had them. Additionally, true patriotic Americans are way less worried about Biden's potential to sell state secrets vs. Trump's. Trump has proven he doesn't give a damn about this country; after the 6th, you'd have to be a real to defend him.

And I agree with the right that, on the surface, the situations with these government docs in Biden's and Trump's possession seem the same... But are they really? Time will tell, but if they both committed equal crimes, they should get the same punishment. However, I feel they are nowhere near equal crimes, and the DOJ will reach the same conclusion. Comparing a decent man like Biden to Trump's traitorous ass, any thinking person can reach the same conclusion unless they drank the Trump kool-aid.

This in spades.

Neither situation is good - but you'd need to be an idiot trying to equate the 300+ documents Trump had - denied having and has actively continued to attempted to prevent from returning over months and months and months - including instructing his lawyer to write/testify to false statements .... to Biden's situation of instant disclosure and return of the documents. I mean I don't truly know if numbers matter - Biden having mislaid or forgotten about classified documents is not acceptable and does need to be investigated and he needs to be accountable - but again, whether it's 20 - 40 - 100 or more.... it seems unlikely ever to be close to the number of documents Trump hid and lied about.

Another aspect that - to me seems at least worth mentioning - Trump gathered all (most of) his classified documents in unusual circumstances, requesting much of his 'trove' after being ousted. Not as part of briefings or day to day administration of his job. That's 100% different that Joe's situation. Again - no-one I have seen has said Biden's gaff isn't worthy of investigation and being reported on fully. What I think any sane commentator is saying - is any sort of suggestion this is equivalent in any way to Trump is completely misplaced.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 02:08 PM
Here's the funny part in all of this. When you point that out they say, "All you can talk about is trump, trump, trump!".

I won't speak for the rest of you, but what I'm talking about is them, them, them! Comparing the trump/Biden situation is the example that shows who they are.

Just go look at the FBI Raid thread. You know where trump was also in possession of secret documents only he refused to turn them over defying a subpoena and a search warrant had to be issued in order to get those documents. Hundreds of them.

What did arch have to say about that when it was trump? He didn't even show up for it much less comment on it. Well until it became a Biden issue that is. Then he came in and displayed some act of faux outrage. Peen? He claimed the documents may not even be top secret documents at all. When the photos of files saying top secret were pointed out to him his response was "Since when did you trust the FBI?" Fate? A no show. You could make a huge list of those right wingers that didn't have $#!+ to say then.

So all we had from any of them was to avoid it like the plague or Peen who made excuses for trump.

Now they're outraged? Now it's a big deal?

At least many of us they call liberals, like it's some bad thing, except for Peen who calls us communists..... at least we came to their celebration party and said we think Biden needs investigated for it. That both Biden and trump were wrong in their actions. That's more balls than they had when the shoe was on the other foot.

That's what this is about. It's about being two faced. It's about the obvious partisanship involved. It's about the double standard. It's about the hypocrisy. It's not as if we didn't know it all along. I was just waiting for such a blatant display of it to point it out. Well here it is.

And here they'll come with their excuses and outrage.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Remember trump? It's been discussed, and still is being discussed.

Poor old Joe. Even more papers - classified - found today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-165811239.html

But trump trump trump.....

You just don't want to discuss your guys obvious failures...
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 03:53 PM
Trump threads are for you and your buddies. There are about five or six posters who attack in those threads when anything besides "put him in jail! is mentioned. The content of the posts doesn't matter, the validity doesn't matter, you and your buds gang up, make fun and laugh it off. Even when one of your own said something positive about his concession speech, he was immediately attacked and promptly said "yeah, you're right". That's how it goes there, that's why the only posters there are those who agree with your distorted sense of reality.

It's Lord of the Flies in those threads, only one group is much larger and way nastier than the other.

Your perverse obsession with keeping score, and thinking that actually proves a point, is even worse than than your constant cherry-picking, rearranging the argument and strawmans. Grow up.

Showing up in a Biden thread to say "yeah, but Trump" doesn't mean you 'have balls'. Don't flatter yourself, in most of your posts it sounds like they haven't dropped yet.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 04:00 PM
Like I said, here come the excuses. Sorry you didn't have the balls to call out trump for the same thing and would rather blame me for it. Typical. And BTW, those threads wouldn't be only for those you label me and my buddies if some of you had the balls to call out the exact same thing you're calling out now when it comes to those you obviously refuse to admonish for the same thing. You can stop trying to put the blame on others that you refuse to show up there and do s. do so.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 04:07 PM
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Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 04:08 PM
Typical rookie move. Deflection and excuses. But when that's all you have for your double standard, what else can you do?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 04:24 PM
I'm the rookie, Pit. And you're the smart one. thumbsup

You managed to make this thread all about others... where they post, what they post about... rather than Sleepy Joe and his endless trail of lies. And then you call that "participating in a celebration thread". rofl You truly are one of a kind.

You should work for the Biden administration, you'd fit right in.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 04:35 PM
I came here and said that Biden needed to be investigated. I said they should start by looking into how those documents got to where they were and expand the investigations wherever the evidence led them. I came here and said that both trump and Biden were wrong. I pointed out that Garland turned the investigation over to a trump appointed judge to make sure there was no appearance of bias or favoritism and have no issue with that.

And what were your comments regarding trump on the same exact topic? You see, you can spout all the bluster you like out of your blow hole. But the facts are plain and simple. When it came to trump you had nothing to say. Now here you are. No amount of spin can change that. One you had no comments and no call for accountability. When it comes to the other you do. I by contrast had no problem coming here and saying both were a problem.

All of your twisting and blaming me for your actions in some feeble attempt to try and deflect that change nothing. The same goes for everyone else that did the same.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 04:47 PM
Documents Found at Biden Office Raise Concerns of CCP Connection: Paul Kamenar

By Ryan Morgan and Steve Lance January 13, 2023 Updated: January 13, 2023


The discovery of potentially classified documents at President Joe Biden’s former office space at the Penn Biden Center raises concerns in light of the center’s ties to China and potentially to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), according to Paul Kamenar, an attorney for the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC).

In November, lawyers tasked with closing down Biden’s office space at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement—a Washington office space Biden jointly operated with the University of Pennsylvania—discovered potentially classified documents in a locked closet. Following their discovery, the Biden administration lawyers reportedly contacted the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to turn over the documents.

The Biden administration publicly announced the discovery of these documents on Monday, Jan. 9, more than two months after they turned them over to NARA.

In an interview with NTD News, Kamenar raised concern about the discovery of these documents in light of the approximately $63 million the University of Pennsylvania has received from China in recent years.

“There is a direct connection here because the Penn Biden Center is funded, of course, by the University of Pennsylvania,” Kamenar said. “And our investigation, in fact, our complaint against the Biden center with the Department of Education is that they are getting a lot of money from China, from the Chinese Communist entities there that are really unaccounted for.”

In May 2020, NLPC filed a complaint, requesting that the Department of Education investigate the university and the Penn Biden Center over donations from anonymous Chinese sources.

“There’s about $63 million that was given to the University of Pennsylvania over the last few years. Of that, $22 million is listed as anonymous. And there’s one single donation of $14.5 million from one single anonymous source in China. That was given in 2018 when the Biden center opened, and there’s more money given after Biden announced in 2019 that he is running for president. So the question is, how is this Chinese money getting to the Biden center?” Kamenar told NTD News.

According to Kamenar, the University of Pennsylvania insisted the Penn Biden Center is funded through the university’s general treasury, but he said that answer “avoids the question” of are the anonymous Chinese donations to the university related to Biden’s connection with the school?

“The money coming from China to the University of Pennsylvania, where does that go? It’s not given to the music department at the University of Pennsylvania. University of Pennsylvania has various Chinese-related institutes within the university system, and the Biden Center is one,” Kamenar said. “So it doesn’t take a Sherlock Holmes to deduce that a lot of this Chinese money is being funneled to the Biden Center.”


Discoveries Raise Questions of How and When Documents Were Moved

In addition to the initial discovery of documents at the Penn Biden Center on Nov. 2, the White House has admitted another set of documents was found at Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware on Dec. 20, 2022, followed by another discovery of documents at the home on Jan. 12, 2022.

Kamenar suggested that the Biden administration decided to delay disclosing their initial document findings until after the 2022 midterm elections.

“The original set of documents were discovered on Nov. 2, six days before the midterm election so I could see why they kept it secret until after the elections. But now it’s two months later, and we’re finally learning about this. I think they were trying to keep this under wraps,” Kamenar said.

The potentially classified documents found in Biden’s former office space and in his home could have come from his time as the vice president before leaving office in 2017.

Kamenar said the document discoveries raise questions about when they were potentially removed from the White House and where they were stored during the time between Biden’s term as vice president and when he returned to the White House as the president. Biden became an honorary professor at the University of Pennsylvania in 2017 and the Penn Biden Center opened in 2018.

“In terms of when were these documents transferred from the White House would [be] when Biden left the White House in 2017, they apparently went to his home in Delaware, and from there, University of Pennsylvania, back to the Biden center here,” Kamenar said.

Kamenar also questioned the timing of the decision to finally close down the Penn Biden Center in November of 2022—about two years after Biden won the presidency—and the involvement of lawyers in that move.

“Why was he moving his office here in the Biden center in November, when he was already out of office for two years? Why did it take him two years to say, hey, I don’t need that office anymore at the Biden center, I should have moved? And then why is he having high-priced DC private attorneys do that moving? I mean, you’re gonna move your office, you hire a moving company or some staffer or intern, say ‘hey, move these boxes back'” Kamenar said. “So there’s a lot that needs to be explored here.”


Comparisons to Trump Mar-a-Lago Documents

Kamenar also addressed comparisons between the discovery of documents at Biden’s office and home to the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort to recover potentially classified documents on that Florida property.

The attorney said there’s not much of a fundamental difference between the Trump and Biden’s cases.

“They both involve mishandling classified information. And sure there’s more documents at Mar-a-Lago. But that’s not a legal distinction,” he said.

Kamenar said the other distinction he sees is that Trump had the authority to declassify documents when he was president. Indeed, Trump has claimed he declassified the documents FBI agents recovered from his home in August.

“President Trump had the authority to declassify the documents he took from the White House down to Mar-a-Lago,” Kamenar said. “Joe Biden, as vice president, did not have that authority. So he could not claim that, ‘Oh, I declassified these documents.’ So that’s a difference that actually favors Donald Trump.”

Following the initial disclosure of documents found at the Penn Biden Center, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, said Biden’s team “appear[s] to have taken immediate and proper action” by notifying NARA after they found the documents.

Special counsel to the president Richard Sauber also said the documents likely ended up at Biden’s home and office space by mistake.

Sauber said Biden “takes classified information and materials seriously,” adding that “we are confident that a thorough review will show that these documents were inadvertently misplaced, and the President and his lawyers acted promptly upon discovery of this mistake.”

Kamenar praised Attorney General Merrick Garland’s decision to appoint a special counsel to review the documents found at Biden’s home and office to show that both Biden and Trump’s cases are being treated seriously.

“At the end of the day, it was important that there be a special counsel appointed to look into the Biden documents, because that’s what they did with Trump and the American people needs to see that justice is being equally handled out here and [in] both cases,” Kamenar said.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/docum...ccp-connection-paul-kamenar_4983634.html
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 05:08 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
“President Trump had the authority to declassify the documents he took from the White House down to Mar-a-Lago,” Kamenar said. “Joe Biden, as vice president, did not have that authority. So he could not claim that, ‘Oh, I declassified these documents.’ So that’s a difference that actually favors Donald Trump.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/docum...ccp-connection-paul-kamenar_4983634.html

Do Vice Presidents Not Have Authority To Declassify Documents?

The question surfaced after news broke that two batches of classified documents were found at President Joe Biden's Delaware home and former office.

Federal law does not give U.S. vice presidents authority to declassify government documents.

Rating:
False

Context

Under an Obama-era executive order, vice presidents have the authority to classify and declassify documents — just like presidents. In January 2023, after news broke that federal documents pertaining to U.S. President Joe Biden's tenure as vice president were uncovered at his former office and Delaware home, critics pushed the erroneous notion that he didn't have the authority, while serving under Obama, to declassify those files. Nonetheless, the matter was irrelevant to the U.S. Department of Justice's review of Biden's handling of such files.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-documents/

The Epoch Times

The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement. Though the newspaper is known for general interest topics with a focus on news about China and its human rights issues, it has become known for its support of U.S. President Donald Trump and favorable coverage of far-right politicians in Europe; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign. The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD). The group's news sites and YouTube channels are viewed by NBC News as spreading conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda. For its articles, the publication draws from a network within China, as well as staff living in the West. The Epoch Times has print editions in English, Chinese, and six other languages. Fifteen additional languages are published online only. The English edition of The Epoch Times is sold in broadsheet format Monday to Friday in New York City and Washington, D.C., and weekly across the United States and Canada. A typical issue includes news sections, including Nation, World, Business, Opinion, and Commentary, and lifestyle sections, including Travel, Life & Tradition, Mind & Body, Food, and Puzzles. The Epoch Times has been publishing in Chinese since May 2000. It is either sold or distributed free-of-charge in 35 countries, including various international regional editions. The Epoch Times websites are blocked in mainland China.

https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/28045

As was shown in the posted article with lots of innuendo and not many facts.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
I'm the rookie, Pit. And you're the smart one. thumbsup

You managed to make this thread all about others... where they post, what they post about... rather than Sleepy Joe and his endless trail of lies. And then you call that "participating in a celebration thread". rofl You truly are one of a kind.

You should work for the Biden administration, you'd fit right in.


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Posted By: Bird Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
I'm the rookie, Pit. And you're the smart one. thumbsup

You managed to make this thread all about others... where they post, what they post about... rather than Sleepy Joe and his endless trail of lies. And then you call that "participating in a celebration thread". rofl You truly are one of a kind.

You should work for the Biden administration, you'd fit right in.
Thanks for the laughs. No, really. You are funny as bleep.
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 06:12 PM
rofl

With the new hit-single, the whiney ballad "Where Were You"

Pitt and the Whatabouts lmao!
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/15/23 07:41 PM
You’re Pee Wee right?
Originally Posted by FATE
Trump threads are for you and your buddies. There are about five or six posters who attack in those threads when anything besides "put him in jail! is mentioned. The content of the posts doesn't matter, the validity doesn't matter, you and your buds gang up, make fun and laugh it off. Even when one of your own said something positive about his concession speech, he was immediately attacked and promptly said "yeah, you're right". That's how it goes there, that's why the only posters there are those who agree with your distorted sense of reality.

It's Lord of the Flies in those threads, only one group is much larger and way nastier than the other.

Your perverse obsession with keeping score, and thinking that actually proves a point, is even worse than than your constant cherry-picking, rearranging the argument and strawmans. Grow up.

Showing up in a Biden thread to say "yeah, but Trump" doesn't mean you 'have balls'. Don't flatter yourself, in most of your posts it sounds like they haven't dropped yet.

I started this thread, it's for whatever I want it to be. Pfft.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/16/23 01:53 PM
Republicans want Biden home visitor logs - but not Trump's

WASHINGTON, Jan 15 (Reuters) - The Republican chairman of the House Oversight Committee on Sunday demanded visitor logs for President Joe Biden's house in Wilmington, Delaware, after classified documents were found in his office and garage.

"Without a list of individuals who have visited his residence, the American people will never know who had access to these highly sensitive documents," Representative James Comer said in a letter to White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain dated Sunday.

Republicans have sought to compare the Biden documents case, which involves material from his time as vice president, with that of former President Donald Trump, who faces a federal criminal probe of how he handled classified documents after he left the White House in 2021. But legal experts say there are stark contrasts between the two cases.

Comer said he would not seek visitor logs for Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence, where more than 100 classified documents - some of them labeled top secret - were found in an FBI search.

"I don't feel like we need to spend a whole lot of time because the Democrats have done that for the past six years," he said in an interview Sunday with CNN.

Trump has announced he would seek the presidency again in 2024, with Biden as his expected Democratic rival.

The Biden disclosures emerged last week after his legal team said it had found classified documents relating to his time as vice president in the Obama administration at his Delaware home. His lawyers on Saturday reported finding five additional pages at his home.

Top secret material was included in some of the 10 or so documents found at the Penn Biden Center think tank, CBS reported on Sunday, citing an unidentified law enforcement source. The White House had no comment on the report. A representative for Biden's personal lawyer, Bob Bauer, did not return a request for comment.

There is no legal requirement that U.S. presidents disclose visitors at their home or at the White House. The Biden administration reinstated disclosures of official guests to the White House and released its first batch of records in May 2021. Former President Donald Trump had suspended the practice shortly after he took office in 2017.

TRUMP VS. BIDEN DOCUMENT ISSUES
Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives launched an investigation on Friday into the Justice Department's handling of improperly stored classified documents possessed by Biden. Comer's committee is also reviewing the case.

The investigation comes as Trump is under federal criminal investigation for mishandling classified documents after his presidency.

In the Biden case, the president's lawyers informed the National Archives and Justice Department about finding a small number of documents at a think tank in Washington and later at Biden's Wilmington home.

In Trump's case, the National Archives tried for more than a year after Trump left office to retrieve all of the records he retained, without success. When Trump finally returned 15 boxes of documents in January 2022, Archives officials discovered they contained classified materials.

After the matter was referred to the Justice Department, Trump's lawyers handed over more material from Trump's Mar-a-Lago home and said there were no more documents on the premises.

That turned out to be false. In the end, the FBI recovered an additional 13,000 documents, about 100 of which were marked classified, from the estate.

House Democrats introduced the "Mar-a-Lago Act" in 2017 that would require Trump to regularly disclose visitors to his Florida home, but it was never voted on in the chamber or full Congress.

Democratic Representative Adam Schiff, the outgoing House Intelligence Committee chairman, said Congress should seek an assessment from the U.S. intelligence community on whether any documents, from either Trump or Biden, jeopardized national security.

"I don't think we can exclude the possibility without knowing more of the facts," Schiff said on ABC's "This Week."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republicans-want-biden-home-visitor-logs-not-trumps-2023-01-15/

Hmm... When did center-of-the-road Reuters get all pro-left-wing by pointing out the facts? I guess they see the hypocrisy too.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/16/23 03:57 PM
Pathetic people make pathetic excuses and blame others for their own behavior. You and j are doing just that. But I have big shoulders. Cute little memes and put downs to blame others for your own double standards and hypocrisy. So much for self accountability. So much for your so called non bias actions and opinions. You have shown exactly who you are. Just as much political hacks as those you've spent so much time pointing your fingers at. I really hadn't thought of you two under the "Murica!" banner. But I certainly do now. You've both earned. If you were looking for laughs you've certainly proven yourselves to be a joke. Mission accomplished.

And here is yet another part of your right wing source that was actually founded by Chinese people making it sound as if Penn is some special circumstance or that it's unusual that American universities get money from Chinese Businesses. Of course they wish to make it sound more nefarious so they called it "the Chinese" and "Chinese Communist entities".

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In an interview with NTD News, Kamenar raised concern about the discovery of these documents in light of the approximately $63 million the University of Pennsylvania has received from China in recent years.

“There is a direct connection here because the Penn Biden Center is funded, of course, by the University of Pennsylvania,” Kamenar said. “And our investigation, in fact, our complaint against the Biden center with the Department of Education is that they are getting a lot of money from China, from the Chinese Communist entities there that are really unaccounted for.”

In May 2020, NLPC filed a complaint, requesting that the Department of Education investigate the university and the Penn Biden Center over donations from anonymous Chinese sources.

“There’s about $63 million that was given to the University of Pennsylvania over the last few years. Of that, $22 million is listed as anonymous. And there’s one single donation of $14.5 million from one single anonymous source in China. That was given in 2018 when the Biden center opened, and there’s more money given after Biden announced in 2019 that he is running for president. So the question is, how is this Chinese money getting to the Biden center?” Kamenar told NTD News.

This isn't unusual at all.

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China’s Donations to U.S. Universities

It’s not just Chinese international students funding American academia.

American universities have reported more than a billion dollars in gifts from China and Hong Kong since 2014, making China their largest source of foreign donations. During that same period, some U.S. government agencies and American academics themselves have grown increasingly concerned about China’s influence within U.S. academia, from the Thousand Talents recruitment program discussed in this week’s cover story to concerns about how the new Hong Kong Security Law could impact professors and students in the United States.

https://www.thewirechina.com/2020/09/13/chinas-investment-in-us-universities/

Harvard Received Almost $385 Million from 46 Countries Since August 2019

Sources from China contributed $69.9 million to Harvard over the same time period, outpacing all other countries. Harvard received 12.9 percent of the total funding given to American universities by Chinese sources — the most of any school.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/4/6/foreign-donations-2022/

This is a common occurrence at many universities. It's not specific to Penn nor is it something nefarious as the right wing hit job you posted and other right wing media in general would like to act like it is. But you go on spreading that kind of BS with no fact checking. You go on and keep pointing fingers in one directions and wearing blinder in the other. And make it sound like it's someone elses fault for pointing it out. That's pretty much the only defense left for you and others obvious hypocrisy.

BIDEN! BIDEN! BIDEN! Donald who?
Posted By: FATE Re: Biden Admin - 01/16/23 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Pathetic people make pathetic excuses and blame others for their own behavior. You and j are doing just that. But I have big shoulders. Cute little memes and put downs to blame others for your own double standards and hypocrisy. So much for self accountability. So much for your so called non bias actions and opinions. You have shown exactly who you are. Just as much political hacks as those you've spent so much time pointing your fingers at. I really hadn't thought of you two under the "Murica!" banner. But I certainly do now. You've both earned. If you were looking for laughs you've certainly proven yourselves to be a joke. Mission accomplished.

Want some dressing with that word salad? I'd reach for the Butthurt Balsamic if I were you.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/16/23 04:33 PM
Awe, still trying to act like it's someone elses fault you've shown your hypocritical side I see. I don't feel butthurt because you've shown who you are. I'm glad to see you've come out of the closet to show the real you.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Biden Admin - 01/16/23 04:42 PM
No kidding. Just look at that post. People are too serious and get too bent around here. I mostly just check in here for the ships and giggles. Except for a very few topics like COVID, I gave up having lengthy serious discussions in this forum years ago when I realized that no one is going to change anyone elses mind and all of the "research" is just looking for articles that support one side of the aisle.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/16/23 05:00 PM
Pointing out the obvious doesn't mean anyone is bent. Those getting bent seem to be the people who were called out about only giving a damn about one side of this thing while ignoring the other. And just how far would someone have to go to find and use a false hit piece from the The Epoch Times? Most people have never even heard of them.

And you are right about nobody changing anyone's mind. But it is interesting to watch people act as though they don't lean hard in one direction or support trump only to provide the evidence that it's nothing but a lie.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/17/23 03:40 PM
Why was Hunter paying $50,000 per month to live in his Dads house?

Something is going to go down..the house of cards is about to crumble.

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/ba...-home-where-classified-docs-were-stored/
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/17/23 04:09 PM
Yes, it looks like Hunter lied on that form.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/17/23 11:29 PM
Donny Jr. couldn’t afford to pay his dad for a one bedroom apt in Podunk, Nowhere. But yeah they got him on this one.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Why was Hunter paying $50,000 per month to live in his Dads house?

Something is going to go down..the house of cards is about to crumble.

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/ba...-home-where-classified-docs-were-stored/

I find it hilarious that this breaking news is coming from the pits of hell or the mind of a far-rightwinger. Pretty much the same things from my POV. I thought I'd see who this site is so I just clicked through to their shop... and the first item:

[Linked Image from cdn.shopify.com]
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 02:03 AM
So they have a shirt you don't approve of which means you will just ignore the posted content?

Shocked face I tell you.... shocked.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 03:47 AM
rofl ignoring content rofl
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by FrankZ
So they have a shirt you don't approve of which means you will just ignore the posted content?

Shocked face I tell you.... shocked.

Frankz, it's more than a shirt I disagree with, it's the entire cult mentality and political malpractice as a philosophy that I disagree with.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 01:47 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Why was Hunter paying $50,000 per month to live in his Dads house?

Something is going to go down..the house of cards is about to crumble.

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/ba...-home-where-classified-docs-were-stored/
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You seem obsessed with Hunter Biden.... if it were only possible for you to be as obsessed with nailing Trump to the wall for just Jan 6....
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Why was Hunter paying $50,000 per month to live in his Dads house?

Something is going to go down..the house of cards is about to crumble.

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/ba...-home-where-classified-docs-were-stored/

I find it hilarious that this breaking news is coming from the pits of hell or the mind of a far-rightwinger. Pretty much the same things from my POV. I thought I'd see who this site is so I just clicked through to their shop... and the first item:

[Linked Image from cdn.shopify.com]

If you voted for Trump, I DO BLAME YOU!
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 02:52 PM
Biden Biden Biiiiidddddddddddden! Hunter Hunter Huuuuuuunnnnter!
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 08:42 PM
Now i see the Biden Penn Center is being looked at for receiving $14 mill of donations from mostly Chinese operatives.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/18/23 09:06 PM
Where did you see that at?

You may wish to look again at what I posted about Chinese businesses funneling millions and millions of dollars into several U.S. universities. It happens all the time. There has been no connection shown between that and funding for the center.

You might wish to look at any accurate information into what you're claiming. All anything I've seen is that Chinese businesses donated millions to Penn. They also donated millions up millions to Harvard as well as may other U.S. universities. But I'm pretty sure wherever you saw what you're claiming, they didn't tell you that part.

Harvard Leads U.S. Colleges That Received $1 Billion From China

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...leges-that-received-1-billion-from-china

Harvard Received Almost $385 Million from 46 Countries Since August 2019

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/4/6/foreign-donations-2022/

I wonder what nefarious thing they'll be accusing Democrats of using that money for with no evidence to support it?
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/19/23 02:36 PM
It’s always more fun when we make up new conspiracy theories instead of understanding the true facts.
Posted By: 3rd_and_20 Re: Biden Admin - 01/20/23 03:32 PM
j/c:

Biden has 'no regrets' about handling of classified documents

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bi...ing-documents-probe-resolved-2023-01-19/
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/20/23 03:54 PM
It's obvious he has no regrets.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/21/23 02:55 AM
You don't have regrets when you've done nothing wrong. So, the question is, did Biden knowingly do anything illegal or wrong? We'll know the answer in about a year, just like Trump's.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/21/23 11:51 AM
The president and his operatives only came out after it was clear they couldn't.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...mp;cvid=68611c8203684183b1c766c8a17dc5c3
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/21/23 02:50 PM
Oh boo hoo….he wasn’t up for re-election and, there’s no law against keeping quiet. Poor ole Goper tears, no red wave. If they all had half a brain they’d stop backing, defending and coddling deplorable candidates and start to govern.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Biden Admin - 01/21/23 03:00 PM
None of that comment makes any sense.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 01:07 AM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Remember trump? It's been discussed, and still is being discussed.

Poor old Joe. Even more papers - classified - found today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-165811239.html

But trump trump trump.....

Well, golly gee, even more documents found, in a THIRD place.

https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-doj-searched-biden-home-000519261.html

Nothing to see here, folks. Just a lapse in judgement, right? No intention to hide anything - although it did take an FBI raid to get these. In the THIRD different location.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 01:13 AM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Remember trump? It's been discussed, and still is being discussed.

Poor old Joe. Even more papers - classified - found today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-165811239.html

But trump trump trump.....

Well, golly gee, even more documents found, in a THIRD place.

https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-doj-searched-biden-home-000519261.html

Nothing to see here, folks. Just a lapse in judgement, right? No intention to hide anything - although it did take an FBI raid to get these. In the THIRD different location.


No, no, you misunderstand. Biden just gave them all back when he was asked. And he did it willingly. No one had to go and get them.


(do I need purple?)
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 04:07 AM
I guess I was wrong.

According to this:
it's the fifth time classified documents were found.

but, it's just Sleepy Joe, he didn't know. Smoke? Fire.

Wonder how many got into others hands.

I'd love to hear the audio of Hunter talking to Joe.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by FrankZ
No, no, you misunderstand. Biden just gave them all back when he was asked. And he did it willingly. No one had to go and get them.

(do I need purple?)

You shouldn't need purple - the differences between the reactions between Trump and Biden are important. The basic problem of them both having classified documents is no less important - and having so many locations and (reportedly) the age of some of the documents Biden had is a big issue... but so too is one guy denying, denying, lying, lying and trying to get his lawyer to write false statements, versus the other guy who is complying and working with the authorities in question. Or it should be.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 02:12 PM
Why don’t you just go out, physically attack and shoot live ammo at some leading democrats like your buddies do?
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
None of that comment makes any sense.

Goper’s aren’t governing. They’re on another revenge tour. Anyone with half a brain can see that. So it should make sense.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Why don’t you just go out, physically attack and shoot live ammo at some leading democrats like your buddies do?

This is an ignorant thing to say.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 03:56 PM
j/c

What has happened is exactly what I have said should happen. Start an investigation and follow it where it leads. Biden had no right to have those documents. He is no less wrong than trump for having them in his home or any other location for that matter.

That being said I think people need to make up their minds about certain things. We've heard some of the very same people who are posting on this thread claim that Biden is a feeble old man who can not even remember how to string a sentence together. Now at least one of those people, without any evidence to support it, is trying to say that he has withheld classified documents in an attempt to cover up for Hunter. You can't have it both ways. Either he is a feeble old man of diminished capacity or he is a cunning man that is involved in a cover up.

And many of those same people showing their outrage didn't have thing to post when the shoe was on the other foot. Withholding classified documents wasn't even worthy of comment until it concerned Biden. These are the very same people who point their fingers at everyone else for being so bias. The same people who claim these type of threads are "only for liberals". Until it's not.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
j/c

What has happened is exactly what I have said should happen. Start an investigation and follow it where it leads. Biden had no right to have those documents. He is no less wrong than trump for having them in his home or any other location for that matter.

That being said I think people need to make up their minds about certain things. We've heard some of the very same people who are posting on this thread claim that Biden is a feeble old man who can not even remember how to string a sentence together. Now at least one of those people, without any evidence to support it, is trying to say that he has withheld classified documents in an attempt to cover up for Hunter. You can't have it both ways. Either he is a feeble old man of diminished capacity or he is a cunning man that is involved in a cover up.

And many of those same people showing their outrage didn't have thing to post when the shoe was on the other foot. Withholding classified documents wasn't even worthy of comment until it concerned Biden. These are the very same people who point their fingers at everyone else for being so bias. The same people who claim these type of threads are "only for liberals". Until it's not.

You can have it both ways. Biden wasn't feeble minded when he allegedly took the documents. He seems to have lost some of his mental acuity now. When he took the documents is the state that needs to be considered.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 04:06 PM
So you have determined that it was Biden that "took the documents"? You forgot the allegedly in your final sentence. Like I said, I'm all for the investigation finding the facts wherever they may lead. In both cases.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Why don’t you just go out, physically attack and shoot live ammo at some leading democrats like your buddies do?

This is an ignorant thing to say.

Maybe that needed purple. Lol geez. rolleyes
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you have determined that it was Biden that "took the documents"? You forgot the allegedly in your final sentence. Like I said, I'm all for the investigation finding the facts wherever they may lead. In both cases.

No, I didn't forget anything. Oh my look at Pit trying a gotcha. This is why no one can actually have a conversation with you.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Remember trump? It's been discussed, and still is being discussed.

Poor old Joe. Even more papers - classified - found today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-165811239.html

But trump trump trump.....

Well, golly gee, even more documents found, in a THIRD place.

https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-doj-searched-biden-home-000519261.html

Nothing to see here, folks. Just a lapse in judgement, right? No intention to hide anything - although it did take an FBI raid to get these. In the THIRD different location.


No, no, you misunderstand. Biden just gave them all back when he was asked. And he did it willingly. No one had to go and get them.


(do I need purple?)

Nope, you told the truth,,, it's fine in black and white
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you have determined that it was Biden that "took the documents"? You forgot the allegedly in your final sentence. Like I said, I'm all for the investigation finding the facts wherever they may lead. In both cases.

No, I didn't forget anything. Oh my look at Pit trying a gotcha. This is why no one can actually have a conversation with you.

Pointing out something accurate and factual has never been something that has appealed to you. Rather than clarify you attack the messenger. You didn't state the last sentence with allegedly. You stated it as a fact. It would have been easy to clear that up without taking the avenue you decided to walk down. And you tried to make that a me issue. And you were dong so well.....
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you have determined that it was Biden that "took the documents"? You forgot the allegedly in your final sentence. Like I said, I'm all for the investigation finding the facts wherever they may lead. In both cases.

No, I didn't forget anything. Oh my look at Pit trying a gotcha. This is why no one can actually have a conversation with you.

Pointing out something accurate and factual has never been something that has appealed to you. Rather than clarify you attack the messenger. You didn't state the last sentence with allegedly. You stated it as a fact. It would have been easy to clear that up without taking the avenue you decided to walk down. And you tried to make that a me issue. And you were dong so well.....

I notice you didn't point out how you have never said "allegedly" when saying things like "Trump is a criminal". But you need to nit pick to fight. At least you didn't feel the need to attack women in this one.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 06:19 PM
Originally Posted by FrankZ
I notice you didn't point out how you have never said "allegedly" when saying things like "Trump is a criminal".

I see. So you maintain that defying a subpoena is not a criminal act? Just checking.

Quote
But you need to nit pick to fight.

Sure, in your alternative universe that's what happened.

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At least you didn't feel the need to attack women in this one.

That's a job best left to the Browns 230 million dollar man. Allegedly.

rofl
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FrankZ
I notice you didn't point out how you have never said "allegedly" when saying things like "Trump is a criminal".

I see. So you maintain that defying a subpoena is not a criminal act? Just checking.

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But you need to nit pick to fight.

Sure, in your alternative universe that's what happened.

Quote
At least you didn't feel the need to attack women in this one.

That's a job best left to the Browns 230 million dollar man. Allegedly.

rofl

I see you deflect again. You have Trump as guilty of multiple things and never used "alleged". But deflect and try to walk it all back.

You only care if it gives you something about.

And you are the one that uses women as an insult, regardless of if it was cleaned up. But you can walk it back and deny, you know you hate women.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 07:49 PM
Your twisting of the truth and concocted scenarios are very creative. I'll give you that. Then there's the outright lie that I hate women. You have become a very twisted individual.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/22/23 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Your twisting of the truth and concocted scenarios are very creative. I'll give you that. Then there's the outright lie that I hate women. You have become a very twisted individual.


Do you deny using women as an insult? You said I "whine like a little girl". You use that as an insult. You have this delusion of being a champion for women (who don't need you to white knight) but then use them as an insult.

There is something broken in your brain that needs professional help to fix. You would rather continue to make people in your life miserable than get that help. Bless your little heart.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/23/23 12:41 AM
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you have determined that it was Biden that "took the documents"? You forgot the allegedly in your final sentence. Like I said, I'm all for the investigation finding the facts wherever they may lead. In both cases.

No, I didn't forget anything. Oh my look at Pit trying a gotcha. This is why no one can actually have a conversation with you.


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Posted By: FrankZ Re: Biden Admin - 01/23/23 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you have determined that it was Biden that "took the documents"? You forgot the allegedly in your final sentence. Like I said, I'm all for the investigation finding the facts wherever they may lead. In both cases.

No, I didn't forget anything. Oh my look at Pit trying a gotcha. This is why no one can actually have a conversation with you.


[Linked Image from bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com]

That one of those selfies when you met Pit?
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Biden Admin - 01/23/23 02:50 AM
Nah, that's this grumpier old men thing you and Pit have going on with each other in almost every thread on the board all the time. I keep waiting for one of you to show up with a dead fish under your car seat.
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