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I think either way they need an offense that will be more pass friendly. They can't attract a decent FA WR to save their lives right now. Their answers this year were a 36 year-old DeSean Jackson and Andy freakin' Isabella. Their run game only takes them so far. 3-10 in the last two Decembers with their running QB sitting on the sidelines (when he makes it to the games).

I think trading Lamar is a 'cross that bridge' thing. You don't want to entertain the idea until you have to -- once you have to, you realize it's not such a terrible idea. It works for Lamar as well as his only chance at 'Watson money' is a bidding war (my opinion). The bidding war helps the Ravens with some much needed draft picks.

I think a lot of it hinges on whether they see their next QB in this year's draft. If so, stockpile some picks, plug in Jimmy G, draft your next fQB and move forward. Right now they have pick #22, their next pick is #86 as they dealt their second for Roquan Smith.

Should be interesting to watch it all unfold.

I think Lamar is a free agent after 2022? They could sign-and-trade I suppose. I was hoping they'd sign him to a huge, guaranteed deal.

Unfortunately, I think BAL is a prime destination for a guy like Garappolo. They always play good defense and can run the ball. I'm afraid he'd kill it there. I could see Carr going there as well...he's not as good, but the Ravens have their act together...regardless of what happens with LJ.

What do the analytics say?

The Ravens don't seem to have a lot of leverage in this. The can tag then trade but that is fraught with peril. They can't force Lamar to sign a new contract (or the tender) so to trade him the new team needs to offer up whatever Lamar is looking for in the discussion. The only actual leverage Baltimore has is Lamar can't simply walk away, the tag can keep him bound and I doubt Baltimore let's him simply walk.

From our point of view this could turn into popcorn TV.

My magic 8 ball said “AS I SEE IT YES”

j/c:

I was wrong about my speculation that the firing of Roman might mean the Rats could be trading Lamar and bringing in a new OC, who was more adept at the passing game. I heard Shefty say that Lamar is going to part of the team in looking for a nw OC.

j/c:

A lot of firings today.

it's a bloody time of year, in the ol' NFL...

And that's at the point people try to muddy the water. Not you, but others. Nothing about the subject being discussed had to do with "why we lost the game". It had to do with the clock management on that play. None of us know for sure, but it would seem logical to believe that the reason Stefanski felt he shouldered part of the blame was for exactly the reason you mentioned. The only place we disagree is that I wouldn't consider that to be nit-picking.

I don't see how a QB having say is any good?

What do they really know about picking a HC, and what if in the end, the team picks someone other than the QBs choice? DO you end up with a disgruntled QB?

So Stefanski is a liar? That doesn't sound very supportive.


This is what a typical bait and switch con game looks like. Nobody blamed the loss on one single call. The only thing being discussed was one actual call and nobody blamed the loss on that call. That wasn't even a decent attempt at deflection.


You're welcome.

You seem to have summed up the situation in Houston before watson sat out. But I certainly agree with you about allowing players having input to top coaching hires.

Did you find the hyperbole mildly amusing?

The only thing I've been finding mildly amusing as of late is you.

Cool story bro.

Actually, bait and switch is continuing down the rabbit hole of the Jets game as if it proves Stefanski is poor at clock management.

You do you.

I'm not the one who tried to claim someone or anyone for that matter made it about losing the game.

Uh, yeah you did. You took an improbable (next to impossible) loss and tried to blame it on clock management.

It's cool though. You obviously have nothing else pertaining to clock management in the other 100+ halves of football. Hang your hat on the Jets game and call it a win. You will anyway.

I'll just 'like' your next post and move on, that way there is no confusion as to who got the last word.

I posted references to several. You just choose to make excuses for them. And no, I specified the play, not the W/L of the game. If you're just going to make up BS fine. But there is nothing there to indicate your claim. Only you made some wild accusation attempting to tie the loss of that game to the single play that was being referenced.

Way to dodge, but you keep doing you.

j/c:

For anyone who watches other games, it beyond obvious that the Browns clock management has been near the top, or perhaps even the top, of the entire league. I don't know how anyone could have watched the playoff games and not recognized all the blunders.

Thanks for posting the article Bone.

The top portion of that article is exactly what I have said alittle during the season about Stef. One of the things I love about Stefanski is he shows a calming emotion. Keep your emotions intact, if a ref misses a call, make a short concise remark on your thoughts and move on to the next play. Your player comes off losing his emotion because of a bad play/call, you keep your emotions intact and make a level-headed comment or get your offensive/defensive coaches to get the player to refocus. That is depending on the situation or if there is a timeout/tv break in the action. What really matters is that player is focused on the game and the next play, what just happened is in the past now.




And the team is the only one that matters.

Here's the full audio of Stefanski on with Ken Carman and Anthony Lima on 92.3. Stefanski was also in studio on RBS on 850 WKNR that same day.

https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/the...vantage-of-some-opportunities-1550179095

I think that is what some might not understand. We don't have to have big name, high powered players added to the roster. We just need to improve NFL weak players with NFL solid players.

It's not like we need to add 3-4 playmakers. We need to add 3-4 decent players to make this whole thing better.

I agree. I like a HC who is calm for the most part. I've seen some try to indicate that he shows no emotions and they want to see a firey HC on the sidelines. I on the other hand value his composure. I don't beleve you need someone who loks like a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum on the sideline.

I think this entire thing is a question of semantics. I've said that I think he's a good clock manager. The only time a question came up was when the hyperbole of "just about perfect" entered the topic. When that was questioned someone went off the deep end.

J/c

I’m of the mindset that KS has a nice composure to be a head coach. I think ranting and raving can get old to players. But I also think having assistants that have those qualities can be beneficial

Maybe I'm oversimplifying this. But what can you see as an advantage of hiring a HC who was fired and replaced by a former C that has zero experience coaching in the NFL that actually produced better results from the exact same roster?

Well, he does have head coaching experience at the NFL level.

And the result of that experience is the point. I mean we have certainly seen HC's get fired who simply had no talent to work with. And Indy isn't loaded with talent. But I can not think of any example where a coach was fired and replaced mid season with a HC who had no NFL coaching experience that did better with the exact same roster. In case you missed it that was the entire point.

Jim Irsay was meddling with the roster (dictating Matt Ryan be benched) when Frank Reich was there. I would not say Saturday had better results. He was 1-7, blew a 30 halftime lead to the Vikings and had disastrous late game management against the Steelers.

Quite a few people around the league said Reich would get another HC gig after his firing was announced.

I would sure be interested in knowing who those "quite a few people" were.

Since Indy didn't do better you are right in thinking you can't think of a situation "where a coach was fired and replaced mid season with a HC who had no NFL coaching experience that did better with the exact same roster."

Saturday was abysmal.

It appears you and Milk are correct.