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21 drops in 41 games? That’s terrible.
No thanks. We don’t need another guy playing “Quincy Morgan football”. Just draft a good one, and in the interim, he hopeful Woods or another guy turns turns the corner in their career(s) in 2023.
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In his defense, albeit not a strong defense..........13 of those 21 drops were in his rookie year.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JeudJe00.htmStats different at above site as they only show 16 drops for his three year career. But yeah, the rookie season definitely skews all the stats. Drops / Drop % / Catch % (catches per total targets) 2020: 10 / 8.8 / 46.0 2021: 1 / 1.8 / 67.9 2022: 5 / 5.0 / 67.0
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Thanks, fate. Maybe not as bad as I initially thought.
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It's worth considering Jeudy has had the following QBs tossing him the ball:
Drew Lock Jeff Driskell Brett Rypien Teddy Bridgewater A washed Mr. Unlimited
I'm selling myself on trading our 2nd round pick and a player if need be for Jeudy!
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Plus the king of the inept offense, Pat Shurmur, as his OC the first two years. Having Pat in the room can never be understated.
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With a heaping tablespoon of Hackett leading charge last year. That being said, Jeudy was tied for second in the NFL with (3) plays of 50+ yards and tied for 3rd (6) with plays of 40+ yards last season. I'll talk myself into 2025's first round pick the more this gets litigated! Then take Marvin Mims in the 3rd this year. 
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I always thought that Williams could be a really good CB. He just needs a second chance.
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I hope he does well in Philly, always wanted him to work out as a Browns high draft pick but it didn’t happen, for whatever reasons.
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I haven't liked him since he joked about Will Smith's wife.
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In his defense, albeit not a strong defense..........13 of those 21 drops were in his rookie year. One also needs to look at the number of catchable balls thrown. We are talking a drop every other game. Is that really all that bad? Take out the rookie stuff and it might look a lot different.
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Wow a huge miss by Dorsey. You can add Greedy to list of Draft busts. DK Metcalf and AJ Brown were on the board When he took Greedy. That 2019 Browns draft haul is the worst One since returning in 1999. No wonder Dorsey isn't a GM any longer.
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Jeudy is a tough call.
When you are drafted 15th the expectations are very high. But when you are a receiver you are dependent upon the quarterback.
The entire situation in Denver worked against his numbers.
So, you really have to look close and see what is this guys true potential? I have not really watched him play. He was great in college and played against the best competition.
I have not watched him. This is one of those cases where you have dig and find out. There is a good chance Jeudy is worth being the 15th pick. If Berry and the staff see his real potential and judge his talent as being first round talent. Hey, he could be worth trading for.
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I watch a lot of games every week. I comment on them in the "Other Games" threads each week. I have 3 TVs on each Sunday. I have the Browns on one and I flip channels on the other two. I have seen quite a bit of Jeudy.
He's a big play WR. He looks the part. Long and lean. He is a nice target on longer throws. Not a polished route runner. And yes, he does drop the ball too much. I would like to have him. I also like Sutton and Hamler for Denver. I believe all 3 are free agents. Sutton is big and strong and probably the most consistent. Hamler runs by the D. I have had my eyes on all 3 of them because of their contract status. It's been said that Denver wants a lot for each of them.
And that is the rub. Is it cost effective to make the trade? I'll be happy if we can acquire him. I just think it is risky business. I also respect the opinions of those who do want to make the trade. Just a small difference of opinion.
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I just did a quick search after I made my last post. This is the most recent article. Take it for what it's worth. Report: Denver 'doesn’t appear' interested in trading a WR Jon Heath follow March 16, 2023 8:03 pm MT Following reports that the Denver Broncos have received trade calls about wide receivers Jerry Jeudy, Courtland Sutton and KJ Hamler, there’s now an update from KUSA-TV’s Mike Klis that downplays the likelihood of a trade. “While lots of teams have called on Broncos WRs (Jeudy, Sutton) including some who have been aggressive, it doesn’t appear Denver is interested in moving them per source,” Klis tweeted on Thursday evening. It’s possible that the Broncos have put this message out themselves in an attempt to drive up trade value by signaling to other teams that they don’t plan to trade either Jeudy or Sutton. In theory, that could make a team desperate and prompt them to increase their offer to get a deal done. Denver might also be doing damage control after heavy speculation that one of (or even potentially both) Sutton or Jeudy could be traded. Last week, Sutton tweeted “I just want to be where I’m wanted and appreciated.” We could also, of course, take Thursday’s report at face value and believe that the Broncos truly plan to keep both receivers in 2023. When it comes to the NFL offseason, though, it’s hard to take anything at face value. https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/16/nfl-news-broncos-not-expected-to-trade-jeudy-or-sutton/
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Honestly, I am not real concerned.
If Berry can make a good deal then great. If not there are options.
Trading versus free agents makes it harder.
This is the freeagent list of WR's:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/
Plenty of guys. Mecole Hardman is interesting. Young guy played for KC. Hard to cover in space. Capable for YAC.
Plenty of guys who could do what we need. I am sure AB will figure it out.
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Just my opinion, but I agree w/you about Greedy. I think he kinda got screwed here w/the change in the FO. He has all the qualities you want in an outside corner. It was clear he wasn't going to be retained, but I've thought that this is a guy who can flourish in a new setting. Similar to Jordan Poyer.
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I agree.
Greedy should benefit from a change of team.
If you just look at pure man coverage Greedy has terrific skills. He is long and fast. Smooth backpedal. Natural hips when flipping from backpedal.
I would expect him to do well.
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I haven't liked him since he joked about Will Smith's wife. Maybe somebody should have slapped the hell out of him?
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What does it mean?...
It means that everyone who can help the Browns win a Super Bowl are doing all they can to help the Browns management as well as the franchise succeed...
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Freeing some cap space for some big move!!!
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Freeing some cap space for some big move!!! Good guess D Of D...let's hope the Browns use this money "wisely"...don't buy "leftovers"...
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Jordan Akins PFF:
Overall: 72.4 Receiving: 74.3
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It reads like these are more guarantees kicking in than "changes." I'm not sure that any cap space is being freed up.
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More on Akins:
Player Bio Akins signed with the Knights coming out of high school, but decided to try pro baseball instead. The Texas Rangers drafted him in the third round of the 2010 amateur draft. He struggled to make hay in four years in the minor leagues before finally enrolling at UCF in 2014. He played receiver in his first season, catching 12 passes for 135 yards. In 2015, he played three games before a torn ACL ended his year (14 receptions, 152 yards, two TD; six att., 149 yards on kickoff returns; two att., 15 yards on punt returns). While rehabbing his knee, Akins got stronger to move to tight end. The change paid off as he started seven of 13 games played, catching 23 balls for 347 yards and two scores in 2016. He took another step forward in 2017, garnering first-team All-American Athletic Conference honors for starting 12 games and catching 32 passes for 515 yards and four touchdowns for the undefeated Knights. Akins is 25 years old and has a one-year-old daughter that lives in Minnesota with his girlfriend in order to stay close to her family.
Overview Akins has decent size, but flashes with his speed and ability to challenge man coverage down the field. Akins saw 43.7 percent of his catches go for 20-plus yards this season, but he also has the necessary talent with the ball in his hands to take a short throw and turn it into a first down. Akins is a move tight end with the ability to separate and create throwing windows, but he won't offer much as a blocker. Akins has the talent to hear his name called on Day 3, but being a 26-year old rookie could hurt him somewhat.
Strengths Comes off the snap low and with good forward lean Early acceleration into routes is impressive Adjusts routes to prevent extended contact with re-routers Good separation burst out of his breaks Has speed to climb quickly over the top of linebackers and challenge down the field Has speed to threaten on the third level and the wiggle to do damage after the catch underneath Was run into big hits by his quarterback and got right back up Former minor league outfielder with plus ball tracking talent Natural pass catcher who snatches away from his body
Weaknesses Routes need work Fails to sell routes with aggressive fakes that move opponents Needs to get better at stacking defenders on his hip and keeping them out of the catch Inconsistent winning contested catches Will be a 26-year old rookie Flawed as a blocker Waist-bender and head-ducker Doesn't bring hands with him quickly enough into point of attack Unable to withstand power on the edge Not enough dog in his blocking to warrant true consideration as a combo tight end
Sources Tell Us
"That guy stood out to me at (Senior Bowl) practice. He got open against most of the players who were guarding him." - AFC area scout
Ive watched him play. I think a lot of the report is true. He is an athletic pass receiver. Good speed and explosiveness. Tracks the ball well. Not a blocking TE at all. Might be another good option on TE when we spread the field and/or on passing downs.
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Another mediocre high 1st round pick by us. We must lead the league in 1st round busts and average players taken in round 1 since 1999. Pitiful!!!!  A example of the Browns use of "analytics" to justify the franchise's draft choices. 
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I like this signing. Dude is an athletic receiver. He won't be an in-line blocker, but he can make big plays in the passing game. He's a pretty damn good #2 option at TE. Do we still have Pharoh Brown as a blocking TE or is he gone?
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Browns FO is doing a great job in FA. Kudos to Berry and the crew. Also, hopefully we can put that salary cap nonsense to bed. We have acquired 6 guys.
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Worth noting: Akins played w/Watson in Houston.
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Browns FO is doing a great job in FA. Kudos to Berry and the crew. Also, hopefully we can put that salary cap nonsense to bed. We have acquired 6 guys. As Eo always said back in the day, there will always be people who think the sky is falling. I hope Eo is OK....not feeling good about that.
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He's doing better. Had successful surgery. Check out the last page of the Salary Cap thread to see his latest posts.
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