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Umm, the Biden office was notified after Trump left office. Are you mad because Biden's White House didn't let us know?

Or did you think Trump should have notified us all on Truth Social once Biden let him know?


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Chinese surveillance balloons were flown over the U.S. on at least three occasions during the Trump administration, a senior Biden administration official said Sunday night — but this information was not discovered until after Trump left office.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-spy-balloon-trump-administration-white-house/


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So trump’s crack intelligence team was asleep at the wheel by not detecting the ballons in real time. Tsk tsk. Cue the lame meme.


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So trump’s crack intelligence team was asleep at the wheel by not detecting the ballons in real time. Tsk tsk. Cue the lame meme.

How many times have the Chinese flown balloons over the US?

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/politics/spy-balloon-technology/index.html

US officials disclosed new details about the balloon’s capabilities. Here’s what we know
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By Jeremy Herb, Jennifer Hansler, Kylie Atwood, Manu Raju and Haley Britzky, CNN
Updated 11:13 PM EST, Thu February 9, 2023



Biden administration officials disclosed new information Thursday about the capabilities of the suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that traversed the United States last week and what they are learning as the FBI begins analyzing the parts recovered after the balloon was shot down Saturday.

US officials also detailed what they’ve discovered about the broader spying operation they say the Chinese government has undertaken using a fleet of high-altitude surveillance balloons across the globe.

But senior Biden officials faced pointed questions on Capitol Hill from lawmakers in public hearings and classified briefings as Congress is demanding more information about why the balloon wasn’t shot down sooner.

Here’s what we learned Thursday about the balloon.


It could monitor US communications
A senior State Department official said Thursday that the balloon “was capable of conducting signals intelligence collection operations” and was part of a fleet that had flown over “more than 40 countries across five continents.”

The Biden administration has determined that the Chinese balloon was operating with electronic surveillance technology capable of monitoring US communications, according to the official.


A jet flies by a suspected Chinese spy balloon as it floats off the coast in Surfside Beach, South Carolina, U.S. February 4, 2023.
Initial classified balloon report wasn't flagged as urgent, drawing criticism
“We know the PRC used these balloons for surveillance,” the official said. “High-resolution imagery from U-2 flybys revealed that the high-altitude balloon was capable of conducting signals intelligence collection operations.”

Signals intelligence refers to information that is gathered by electronic means – things like communications and radars.

Still waiting for the ‘payload’
The FBI has started its initial stages of evaluating the pieces of the balloon that were recovered and brought to the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia for analysis, senior FBI officials said Thursday.

Only evidence that was on the surface of the ocean has been delivered to FBI analysts so far, one official said, which includes the “canopy itself, the wiring, and then a very small amount of electronics.” The official said analysts have not yet seen the “payload,” which is where you would expect to see the “lion’s share” of electronics.


The officials added that understanding the components of the balloon is vital intelligence and could be “important pieces of evidence for future criminal charges that could be brought.”


Despite the latest revelations about the capabilities of the spy balloon, the Pentagon has insisted since the vessel was first acknowledged publicly that it does not give China capabilities above and beyond what they already have from spy satellites or other means.

“We did not assess that it presented a significant collection hazard beyond what already exists in actionable technical means from the Chinese,” said Gen. Glenn VanHerck, the commander of US Northern Command and NORAD, on Monday.

Capitol Hill briefings
Administration officials from the Pentagon, State Department and intelligence community briefed lawmakers on Capitol Hill Thursday on the balloon, which has prompted criticism from Republicans over allowing it to float across the US before it was shot down off the Atlantic coast.

Lawmakers were told Thursday that the order to send the balloon was dispatched without Chinese President Xi Jinping’s knowledge, sources familiar with the briefing said.

The idea Xi was unaware of the balloon “is the working theory and an ongoing intelligence gap,” a source briefed on the matter later told CNN. This is among the things the intelligence community is actively working on, the source said, making clear it’s far from a definitive assessment.


The officials told lawmakers that the US has assessed that little new intelligence was gleaned by the Chinese balloon operation because the Chinese appeared to stop transmitting information once the US learned of the balloon, in addition to US measures to protect sensitive intelligence from China’s spying operations, according to the sources.


The US also believes what they have recovered from the shot-down balloon is beneficial to US intelligence, the sources said.


Another source familiar with the briefings said officials said the balloon would give the Chinese better photos and signals collection than satellites, as well as a better ability to steer and hover longer over collection targets.


The Biden officials told Congress that it’s still unclear what the motivation was for the flight of the balloon across the US, which prompted Secretary of State Antony Blinken to postpone his trip to China. One of the sources said that the US believes senior leadership of the People’s Liberation Army and Chinese Communist Party including Xi were also unaware, and the US believes the Chinese are still trying to figure out how this happened.

In the classified congressional briefings, the administration officials argued that the US didn’t move earlier to shoot down the balloon in part over fears it could provoke an escalation of military tensions with China or even a military conflict. Biden gave the order to shoot down the balloon whenever the Pentagon felt it was safe to do so, the sources said, so the Pentagon ultimately made the call on when to shoot it down.

Sailors assigned to Explosive Ordnance Disposal Group 2 recover a high-altitude surveillance balloon off the coast of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina on February 5, 2023. (U.S. Navy Photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Tyler Thompson)
House passes resolution condemning China's use of spy balloon

The officials told lawmakers one of the reasons the balloon was not first shot down when it entered Alaskan airspace is that the waters there are cold and deep, making it less likely they could have recovered the balloon, according to the sources.


The House briefing Thursday morning was tense, the sources said, with several Republicans railing against the administration, including GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, who said that the Pentagon made the president – whom she noted she doesn’t like – look weak by their actions.

In response, the briefers tried to lay out a detailed timeline of the actions, the sources said.

“The Pentagon was telling us they were able to mitigate in real-time as this was taking place and I believe that’s accurate,” Rep. Mike Quigley, an Illinois Democrat, told CNN.”I believe the preeminent concern they had, as they expressed in real time, was the safety of US citizens.”

After the briefing, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy said it was wrong for the Biden administration to wait to shoot down the balloon.

“They should have never let it into our sovereignty, they should have taken it another time,” McCarthy told CNN.

But Republican Sen. Mitt Romney told CNN he believes the US made right decision to wait before shooting it down.

“I believe that the administration, the president, our military and intelligence agencies, acted skillfully and with care. At the same time, their capabilities are extraordinarily impressive. Was everything done 100% correctly? I can’t imagine that would be the case of almost anything we do. But I came away more confident,” Romney said Thursday.

Senators pushed defense officials at an Appropriations Committee hearing on Thursday over the military’s assessment of the Chinese surveillance, with Democratic Sen. Jon Tester of Montana telling officials that he did not know how they could unequivocally say it was not a military threat.

“You guys have to help me understand why this baby wasn’t taken out long before and because I am telling you that that this ain’t the last time. We’ve [seen] brief incursions, now we’ve seen a long incursion, what happens next?,” said Tester, the chairman of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee.

“We don’t understand because quite frankly, we have been briefed in his committee over and over and over again, about the risks that China poses, both economically and militarily,” he said. “China tends to push the envelope all the time until a line is set down.”“

Pentagon officials said at the hearing that the Defense Department was not concerned about the balloon gathering intelligence over Alaska as it was not near sensitive sites.

The balloon first crossed into US airspace over Alaska on January 28, Melissa Dalton, assistant secretary of defense for Homeland Defense and Hemispheric Affairs, said during the hearing. When the balloon was spotted, it was not determined to have “hostile intent,” said Lt. Gen. Douglas Sims, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and officials did not believe it would impact aviation routes or present a significant intelligence gathering ability. That changed when the balloon began drifting over the lower 48 states, but while it was over Alaska, officials determined it was not over critical infrastructure.

The House on Thursday passed a symbolic resolution condemning China’s surveillance balloon with a vote of 419 to zero.

FBI begins analysis of recovered balloon
The FBI investigation into recovered balloon is the first of its kind in the bureau’s history, senior FBI officials familiar with the operation said Thursday as they described the initial stages and what’s been recovered so far.

The officials said that this is the first time the FBI has investigated a spy balloon of this nature and assisted with the processing of such a scene. The officials added that understanding the components of the balloon is vital intelligence and could be “important pieces of evidence for future criminal charges that could be brought.”

The parts of the balloon recovered on the surface of the ocean have been delivered so far, while recovering additional pieces of the balloon that sunk has been complicated by bad weather, officials said.

US President Joe Biden speaks during a State of the Union address at the US Capitol in Washington, DC, US, on Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2023. Biden is speaking against the backdrop of renewed tensions with China and a brewing showdown with House Republicans over raising the federal debt ceiling. Photographer: Nathan Howard/Bloomberg
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It’s not yet clear where the balloon’s parts were manufactured, the officials said, including whether any of the pieces were made in America. Because analysts have yet to look at the bulk of the equipment on the balloon, the officials said that there has not been a determination as to everything the device was capable of doing and its specific intent.

Of the small portion they have examined, analysts have not identified any sort of explosive or “offensive material” that would pose a danger to the American public.

The FBI was alerted to the balloon on February 1, the officials said, because the intelligence community had determined that the balloon had an electronic element to it. By late Sunday – the day after the balloon was shot down – agents had arrived at the scene, and the first pieces of recovered evidence arrived at the FBI lab in Quantico on Monday.

There was English writing on parts of the balloon that were found, one of the sources familiar with the congressional briefings said, though they were not high-tech components. The source declined to provide detail on what specific parts of the balloon contained English writing.

Bloomberg News first reported that components of the balloon had English writing on them.

US eying sanctions over balloon entering US airspace
The State Department official said the balloon was part of a Chinese fleet developed to conduct surveillance operations” with a manufacturer tied to China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA), the official added.

The official suggested that the US is eyeing sanctions for the presence of the balloon in US airspace – which US officials have repeatedly called a violation of US sovereignty and international law – noting the US “will also explore taking action against PRC entities linked to the PLA that supported the balloon’s incursion into US airspace.”


A recovery operation to secure debris from the balloon is ongoing with analysis continuing at an FBI laboratory in Virginia, but the officials’ remarks suggest the US has already established the balloon was operating with electronic surveillance technology.


However, the US has said it has been able to prevent the balloon from intercepting US communications.

“The high-altitude balloons’ equipment was clearly for intelligence surveillance and inconsistent with the equipment onboard weather balloons. It had multiple antennas to include an array likely capable of collecting and geo-locating communications. It was equipped with solar panels large enough to produce the requisite power to operate multiple active intelligence collection sensors,” the official added.


“We could track the exact path of the balloon and ensure no activities or sensitive unencrypted comms would be conducted in its vicinity,” a senior administration official said this week. “The US military took immediate steps to protect against the balloon’s collection of sensitive information, mitigating any intelligence value to the PRC.”

Administration looked to avoid escalating tensions with China
President Joe Biden suggested Wednesday that bilateral relations with China had not been affected by the balloon fallout, but China reacted angrily to the shootdown, refusing a call with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, and Secretary of State Antony Blinken canceled a high-stakes trip to Beijing on Friday. New sanctions in response to the balloon would likely further inflame tensions.

“We know these balloons are all part of a PRC fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations. These kinds of activities are often undertaken at the direction of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA),” the senior State Department official added.


China “has overflown these surveillance balloons over more than 40 countries across five continents,” the State Department official said, noting that “the Biden Administration is reaching out to countries directly about the scope of this program and answer any questions.”


The official said that based on China’s “messaging and public comments, it’s clear that they have been scrambling to explain why they violated US sovereignty and still have no plausible explanation – and have found themselves on their heels.”

“As we saw with the second balloon over Central and South America that they just acknowledged, they also have no explanation for why they violated the airspace of Central and South American countries,” the official said. “The PRC’s program will only continue to be exposed, making it harder for the PRC to use this program.”

This story has been updated with additional details.

CNN’s Zachary Cohen, Hannah Rabinowitz, Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, Natasha Bertrand, Oren Liebermann and Clare Foran contributed reporting.


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That's how it works, haven't you been paying attention?

First the claim was they couldn't believe that there were previous spy balloons because presidents (in this case they were pointing the finger at Biden) are heavy handed in the pentagon. That they appoint not only the Secretary of Defense. Which is true. Then the assertion was made that not only did the president appoint the Secretary of defense but many others within the Pentagon. And that's why you can't trust what they say or do.

Now after all of that they're trying to take a victory lap because the people Trump had in place were too incompetent to even see and find these earlier spy balloons. You can't make this stiff up folks.


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Pit helping you with the goalposts.

Good doggie.


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Yeah that's it. Blaming me because you refuse to accept that your very own posts show how you claimed much a president is involved the pentagon and then those Trump put in charge couldn't even find Waldo.


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Awe, aren't you cute. When you have no viable rebuttal just post a mindless meme. Brain dead teenagers do that on the internet every day thinking they accomplished something. I guess you do the same thing.


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Everyone who's read this thread knows that you and your bff have moved the goalposts so many times that you look like fools. You just reinforce that with every new post.


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I see. You don't like it when the very things you post are thrown back in your face and you try to place the blame on someone else for it. I mean if you wish to discuss looking like a fool.


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Let me explain who swung and missed. It was you who set these goalposts. It was you who claimed that the DOD was an extension of a presidential administration. It was you who claimed you didn't trust them because of that very reason. It was you who claimed that a president was responsible for many appointments within the pentagon.

Now it's you who use yet another mindless meme in a lame attempt to blame someone else for pointing those things out when holding trump accountable for having people unable to actually find and see that other such spy balloons had entered U.S. airspace in "his administrations Pentagon."

Maybe you should learn to use your words.


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I said none of those things... liar. Even if I did, it has nothing to do with this conversation.

And also, you forgot to blame Trump. Ooops, never mind, you did.

Thanks for playing. Quit pouting, people strikeout everyday. Pffft, Spiral leads the league.


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So a very part of this thread has nothing to do with the thread? I'm sure you're an expert in striking out. Owning up to it is a different matter all together. And people can read this thread. They know you posted everything I said you did. Calling me names is certainly easier for you than manning up to what you posted.


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Breaking News! Fighter jet just shot down "an object" in the past hour.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Let me explain who swung and missed. It was you who set these goalposts. It was you who claimed that the DOD was an extension of a presidential administration. It was you who claimed you didn't trust them because of that very reason. It was you who claimed that a president was responsible for many appointments within the pentagon.

Now it's you who use yet another mindless meme in a lame attempt to blame someone else for pointing those things out when holding trump accountable for having people unable to actually find and see that other such spy balloons had entered U.S. airspace in "his administrations Pentagon."

Maybe you should learn to use your words.

That was Superbowldogg that talked about the DOD being an extension of the administration, not Fate.


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Originally Posted by Pdawg
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Let me explain who swung and missed. It was you who set these goalposts. It was you who claimed that the DOD was an extension of a presidential administration. It was you who claimed you didn't trust them because of that very reason. It was you who claimed that a president was responsible for many appointments within the pentagon.

Now it's you who use yet another mindless meme in a lame attempt to blame someone else for pointing those things out when holding trump accountable for having people unable to actually find and see that other such spy balloons had entered U.S. airspace in "his administrations Pentagon."

Maybe you should learn to use your words.

That was Superbowldogg that talked about the DOD being an extension of the administration, not Fate.

Facts haven't mattered to Pit in years. He makes his own facts.

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Owning up to it is a different matter all together.

rofl


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Actually after rereading the thread it was Memphis I was going around about with it and not you. My apologies. Take note of that for future reference and an example to follow.


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Breaking News! Fighter jet just shot down "an object" in the past hour.



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I'll give credit for Biden on this one... the first one is a failure because he should have shot it down over Alaska...


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I'll give credit for Biden on this one... the first one is a failure because he should have shot it down over Alaska...

He wanted to shot the first one down over Alaska. Pentagon didn’t. Lesson learned. Never let military leaders make the final decisions.


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I feel like this was staged to have a do-over for Biden to save face.


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I feel like this was staged to have a do-over for Biden to save face.

Right on cue….right wing Goper wacko conspiracy theories as predicted.


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I'll give credit for Biden on this one... the first one is a failure because he should have shot it down over Alaska...

He wanted to shot the first one down over Alaska. Pentagon didn’t. Lesson learned. Never let military leaders make the final decisions.

You wouldn't be saying the military didn't heed the Commander in Chief would you? That would kinda be a really bad look for the big guy.

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I think we already have. The trump brigade making things up, once again.

You know maybe Dems should start making things up just to be fair…like Pentagon officials supporting trump are setting up Biden. Lol


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I'll give credit for Biden on this one... the first one is a failure because he should have shot it down over Alaska...

He wanted to shot the first one down over Alaska. Pentagon didn’t. Lesson learned. Never let military leaders make the final decisions.

You wouldn't be saying the military didn't heed the Commander in Chief would you? That would kinda be a really bad look for the big guy.

No at all. Biden shouldn’t have listened to the Pentagon on this and blasted it out of the sky.


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I feel like this was staged to have a do-over for Biden to save face.

Right on cue….right wing Goper wacko conspiracy theories as predicted.


Half the spew that comes out of your mouth is made up. So, I tried the libtard way.


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I'll give credit for Biden on this one... the first one is a failure because he should have shot it down over Alaska...

He wanted to shot the first one down over Alaska. Pentagon didn’t. Lesson learned. Never let military leaders make the final decisions.

You wouldn't be saying the military didn't heed the Commander in Chief would you? That would kinda be a really bad look for the big guy.

No at all. Biden shouldn’t have listened to the Pentagon on this and blasted it out of the sky.

So the big guy didn't have the strength to lead and was cowed by his underlings... yay big guy.

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You are hanging your hat on Biden shooting down a couple balloons?

How about 234 to 98. Trump made way more appointments to the bench. That is what an accomplishment looks like.

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I'm curious as to why a spy balloon was allowed to navigate the entire country before being shot down, yet this "object" was shot down off of Alaska. Do we, the public, know what it was? I guess we don't need to know. But does the military know what it was, did Biden know what it was?

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I feel like this was staged to have a do-over for Biden to save face.

I love how cute your feelings are.
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You are hanging your hat on Biden shooting down a couple balloons?

How about 234 to 98. Trump made way more appointments to the bench. That is what an accomplishment looks like.

So? Oh, and give McConnell credit for the stacked courts. Trump was a blithering idiot in office, anything good was somebody else.

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I'm curious as to why a spy balloon was allowed to navigate the entire country before being shot down, yet this "object" was shot down off of Alaska. Do we, the public, know what it was? I guess we don't need to know. But does the military know what it was, did Biden know what it was?

Then maybe you should do some research because it's been explained about a million times now. And this object wasn't over inhabited land; the balloon was. When it hit our northern mainland border, Biden told them to shoot it down as soon as they could safely do so. The Pentagon decided to let it travel for safety and to study it. TBH, arch, I'd say they probably jammed its signaling because the DOD stated that while it traversed the country, it posed no risk.

At this point, Biden has owned the new congressional Trumpian power at every turn. I would be surprised if allowing it to traverse the country safely, then shooting it down wasn't the plan all along, and Biden just baited those dolts into screaming shoot it down. I mean it triggered a big meltdown on the right, and he was on top of it all the while. Masterful bating and handing of asses from my POV.

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I'll give credit for Biden on this one... the first one is a failure because he should have shot it down over Alaska...

Do you have all the facts or are your just trying to use this to spank a sitting president?


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So the big guy didn't have the strength to lead and was cowed by his underlings... yay big guy.

Strength as a leader is sometimes or even often listening to advice from experts and people who have more intimate knowledge about a subject or situation.

There's only one Dolt I know that didn't heed the advice of experience military generals and went his own way for his own reasons.

Trump stunned his Cabinet, lawmakers and much of the world with the move by rejecting the advice of his top aides and agreeing to a withdrawal in a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...s-after-call-with-turkish-prime-minister

The result was predictable by the entire world - the slaughter of 100's maybe 1,000's and displacement of 100,000's of Kurdish -

But then there was more:

Kurds align with Assad
Russia’s influence grows
ISIS prisoners escape


https://thehill.com/policy/defense/465952-five-unintended-consequences-of-trumps-syria-withdrawal/


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