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Yeah, Lamar might not play w/the Ravens if they tag him.
They are going to have to guarantee a similar amount of money that the Browns gave Watson. I think the only other option might be to tag and trade him. I don't think tagging and hoping to keep him will work.
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This situation with Lamar is really unique.
There will be a lot of people paying close attention.
Owners, players, not only about where he may go but also what kind of deal he ends with.
Start with no agent, especially in this case because there are many moving parts.
He wants a fully guaranteed contract. One case is an outlier. Two becomes a trend.
Both Lamar and the Ravens are in a tight spot.
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One case is an outlier. Two becomes a trend. True. Like you say, the league is watching closely. I imagine that is especially true of Burrow and Herbert.
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Football is a brutal, violent game. Careers are short like 3 years. Many players face a life of pain after their football careers. Many are left disabled by brain trauma. I completely agree with this part. My son got hurt his freshman year in High School playing as the Left guard. His back injuries haunt him to this day 24 years later, including a Lumbar Laminectomy 8 years ago. Maybe being a backup getting millions of dollars a year is the better gig.
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We are football fans and love the game. IMO most of us overlook the reality of the game.
The evidence is overwhelming on injuries in the NFL. The players know it and accept it. The owners could care less. If they did there would be real changes not minor changes. Improvements on the playing surface, equipment, and rules. Player's lives after football is not a concern of the owners. Only that it is costly to pay for their care.
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Think about this............the NBA, MLB, and the NHL all guarantee their contracts. I will post an excerpt from a larger article about the subject of guaranteed contracts in professional sports. Among the major North American sports leagues - MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL - the NFL is the only one that does not customarily guarantee multi-year contracts for veteran players, even as it brings in the most revenue.
There are some longstanding structural barriers that have prevented guaranteed contracts from becoming more common in the NFL. But contrary to popular belief, there is nothing to prevent a player or player's agent from negotiating a contract that is fully guaranteed. In fact, that's exactly how such deals became the norm for players in MLB, the NBA, and the NHL. The difference is that years ago, a variety of competitive circumstances provided players in those leagues with a strong enough bargaining position to establish contract guarantees as standard in ways that never happened in the NFL.
As Roger Noll, an emeritus professor of economics at Stanford University, told me: "Guaranteed contracts were created by competitive necessity."
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When we signed DW I knew it was a watershed moment.
There are many eyes on this Lamar deal. If he holds firm and gets what he wants. It will begin a new era in NFL contracts.
Think about being a NFL player knowing what you could be facing in life after football. Knowing you could have a really short career as well.
I know if I were them. You could bet I would want my money guaranteed.
Best believe the players are watching closely.
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I'm good w/NFL players protecting themselves and wanting guaranteed contracts like players in the other professional leagues get. Look at this example from the link that I posted in my previous post. In March 2020, veteran outside linebacker Kyle Van Noy left the New England Patriots to sign a four-year contract with the Miami Dolphins. The deal was worth $51 million, including $30 million in guarantees. Well, that's how its terms were reported, anyway.
Twelve months later, the Dolphins released Van Noy, completely wiping out the final three years of his contract. According to Over the Cap, Miami paid Van Noy a total of $15.025 million for his one season of work. The team was under no obligation to pay him another penny. What good are the gaudy monetary numbers if the team doesn't have to honor the contract? Think about Nick Chubb. He will be owed over $16 million next year. He has been wildly productive. He has been a model citizen. Yet, the Browns almost certainly will not pay him that amount of money in 2024.
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The Jets Carr and Rodgers thing?
I was listening to this discussion on "Get Up." How should the Jets handle this?
Louis Reddick was saying the Jets should forget about Rodgers and having to wait on him each year about if he wants to play. Then Reddick was saying Rodgers may not show up till August to practice. They need the man first before just the quarterback. And Carr was a guy they could win with.
Really Louis? How do you know they could win with Carr? How do you know he would not practice till August?
What is the priority for the Jets? Do you want Carr for years and hope he can win?
The priority is to win a Super Bowl this year. This year. Win now. You want a chance to win a Super Bowl and you have a choice between Rodgers and Carr. Carr has never won a playoff game. He has never won a MVP. His career record is 63 - 79.
I don't care what Louis's opinion is about Rodgers the man. He is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
If Rodgers wants to play and believes he could win a Super Bowl with the Jets. He will practice and will be ready to give it all he has. Rodgers has money. In fact if he plays he will make over $59 in GB. Rodgers motivation to continue is about winning Super Bowls.
If I were the Jets and I thought the team was good enough to win with Rodgers. I would try and get him to NY.
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This is a quarterback sidebar.
I listened to Bruce Arians interviewed. He was asked some quarterback questions and one was who is the best you coached?
He said Andrew Luck. He said he only coached him his rookie season but he was something else.
I remember that Luck draft like it was yesterday. IMO he was the greatest pro quarterback prospect I have ever seen. I wanted him to be a Brown so bad.
All we needed to happen was for the Jags to lose and we would have had the first pick. MJD had to have a great game and the Jags won.
Luck played the way you coach a quarterback to play. He did everything with perfect form. His throwing mechanics were flawless. He threw with anticipation and touch. He had every attribute you could look for.
It is still a shame that his career was cut short. I was sure he would go down as one of the best ever.
The Colts were a mess and did not protect him.
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I don't have a link right now, but there is a report out there from ESPN that all of Lamar Jackson's contract counter-offers to the Ravens exceeded in the total amount and guaranteed money than Watson's contract.
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Lamar in his mind I am sure he feels he deserves more than DW.
It doesn't matter. What will happen with his contract will be decided by what a team is willing to pay him.
Long ago I found out that what we perceive as value often does not match what something is really worth.
Nothing is sold until someone is willing to pay the price.
Lamar is going to get paid. How much will be decided when the money is in his pocket. IMO Lamar is not going to bend when it comes to guaranteed money.
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Lamar has the MVP and gets more positive attention from the media than Watson, but I think Deshaun is a better all-around qb. Watson's is a much more sophisticated passer of the football in that he can read defenses and coverages better than Lamar. I think he is also more accurate, and no, I am not talking about completion percentage. However, I think there will be a team willing to pay Lamar the money he desires. I see a trade in the future and if it doesn't occur this year, I believe Lamar sits out if the Ravens don't meet his contract demands.
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If you were to just look at the tape of both players and all else was not considered.
I agree DW is the better quarterback.
Lamar as a runner is unequaled. And he is a decent passer. But there are areas of the field where his accuracy falls off. Especially outside the hash marks.
DW has no limits on where he can deliver an accurate throw. He is also better at extending plays behind the LOS to throw a completion.
Once Lamar decides to not throw to a route. He is running. There are throws that he throws well.
But I agree I think DW is the better quarterback.
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I think the elephant in the room with any QB, especially those switching teams, is the fit the QB's has in the new offense. IMHO, that's one of the most critical items missed when evaluating QB's. Brady has the classification as being the G.O.A.T., but would Brady been half as good as he was if he had been drafted by the 1-15 Indpls Colts like Manning was having to go through a team rebuild? When you sign a player to a monster deal, doesn't the high expectation level come with it? Of the 14 highest paid QB's in 2022, Only 3 of the 14 top paid QB's have made it to a Super Bowl in the last 5-years with their current teams. Only one (Stafford) out of the top 6 paid has made a Super Bowl in the last 5-years.
When I look at some of the deals signed the last 5 years, I ask myself where's the payoff for these monster deals?
All 2022 salary figures reflect total cash compensation as calculated by Spotrac.
1. Matthew Stafford (Rams)Trade: $61,500,000, Contract: 4 years, $160,000,000, Total guaranteed: $130,000,000 (1 Super Bowl during contract)
2. Russell Wilson (Broncos)Trade: $57,000,000, Contract: 4 years, $140,000,000, Total guaranteed: $107,000,000 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
3. Josh Allen (Bills): $46,961,405, Contract: 6 years, $258,034,000, Total guaranteed: $150,000,000 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
4. Deshaun Watson (Browns) Trade: $46,000,000, Contract: 5 years, $230,000,000, Total guaranteed: $230,000,000 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
5. Aaron Rodgers (Packers): $42,000,000, Contract: 3 years, $150,815,000, Total guaranteed: $110,515,000 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
6. Kirk Cousins (Vikings) FA: $40,000,000, Contract: 2 years, $66,000,000,Total guaranteed: $35,000,000 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
t-7. Tom Brady (Buccaneers) FA: $30,000,000, Contract: 1 year, $15,000,000, Total guaranteed: $15,000,000 (1 Super Bowl during contract)
t-7. Kyler Murray (Cardinals): $30,000,000, Contract: 5 years, $230,500,000, Total guaranteed: $189,500,000 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
9. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): $29,450,000, Contract: 10 years, $450,000,000, Total guaranteed: $141,481,905 (3 Super Bowls during contract)
10. Ryan Tannehill (Titans) Trade: $29,000,000, Contract: 4 years, $141,481,905, Total guaranteed: $91,000,000 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
11. Carson Wentz (Commanders) Trade: $28,294,119, Contract: 4 years, $128,000,000, Total guaranteed: $107,970,683 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
12. Jared Goff (Lions) Trade: $26,150,000, Contract: 4 years, $134,000,000, Total guaranteed: $110,042,682 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
13. Derek Carr (Raiders): $25,000,000, Contract: 3 years, $121,500,000, Total guaranteed: $65,277,519 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
14. Matt Ryan (Colts) Trade: $24,705,882, Contract: 5 years, $150,000,000, Total guaranteed: $100,000,000 (zero Super Bowls during contract)
I find it very interesting that Brady and Mahomes made 30M or less last season yet are 2 of the 3 QB's that's made a Super Bowl in the last 5-years.
Back to Jackson, he's missed 10 games in the last 2-years and that should be a serious red flag for the Ravens and the guaranteed money. If I were the Ravens (considering the rumor Jackson won't play under the franchise tag), I would be reaching out to Chicago to trade Jackson for Fields and their 1st round pick. The Ravens get a QB with 2-years left on his rookie deal that can run every bit as good as Jackson meaning little change in the offense and then use the #1 pick or their own pick to either trade for a #1 WR or draft one with one of the picks. Better yet, the Ravens could trade out of the pick and get multiple other picks. Considering his injury history and not being as good as Mahomes, I don't believe he's deserving of top 5 money fully guaranteed. I'd walk away if I could get the deal with Chicago.
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Lamar should try to negotiate a 1 year deal for the exclusive franchise tag amount, a guarantee that the team can't use the tag on him going forward, and require the team to provide loss of value insurance-- if they can't agree on a long term deal.
I don't know if I'd necessarily hold out in the end if tagged, but I'd definitely intimate to the team that it's a possibility and I'd do my best to apply pressure through the court of public opinion and/or locker room. Maybe this is already the plan. I know a few teammates have already come out to say, "Pay the man!"
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Fit is important but to a degree the owness is on the team.
Baltimore did right with Lamar. He sat for awhile behind Flacco. Then Baltimore built the offense to fit his skill set.
IMO Brady would have risen to the top no matter. However, going to NE surely helped him to win Super Bowls.
Top notch quarterbacks give you a chance. They increase the odds. But, they don't guarantee Super Bowls.
Lamar has proven me wrong since he came into the NFL. I would never have drafted him. IMO he was a real long shot to succeed. His throwing mechanics were horrible. He stood damn near straight up. His feet were way to close together. His body position while throwing was way off.
I have give him major credit. He has become a terrific quarterback. His record proves it. The problem is will he be available. Something was fishy at the end of last season. He was only suppose to be out 3 weeks or so. He didn't play again. He didn't even attempt to get ready to play in the post season.
It seems some teammates and the coaches had issue with him. I don't know for sure, and I can not say how injured he was, or if he could play. But if you miss the playoffs? You hurt the team no matter.
He is only 26 so there are years in front of him. His career going forward will be interesting to follow. I am not going to even try to say how it will turn out.
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Weird, maybe. But when you think about it, a man with all the money, companionship, chutzpah and time necessary to do these things - who's to argue? There's something appealing about it. Burn a vanilla candle, watch a Jersey Shore marathon, meditate and contemplate your next move. Sign me up.
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Can anyone confirm this to be true. Apparently the link doesn't and I'm in the office.
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I mentioned that I heard about this earlier, but did not have a link. I just found this. ESPN: ‘Anything Is Possible’ Regarding Lamar Jackson TradeOriginally posted on NFLTradeRumors.co | By Logan Ulrich | Last updated 2/23/23 According to ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler and Jamison Hensley, contract talks between the Ravens and QB Lamar Jackson remain at a standoff over guaranteed money.If the standoff is not bridged, a team source acknowledged in January that Jackson could be traded. “A couple of months ago, I would have said no way. Now it feels like anything is possible.” Team sources tell ESPN the Ravens continue to balk at guaranteeing the full deal, while all of Jackson’s counteroffers have been for fully-guaranteed deals in excess of Browns QB Deshaun Watson‘s five-year, $230 million deal. https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...ng_lamar_jackson_trade/s1_17039_38502330
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Here is the link to the Fowler and Hensley article. It's probably too long to post the entire thing. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...get-traded-become-free-agent-stay-ravensEdit: For those that don't know, Hensley is ESPN's beat writer for the Ravens.
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If the standoff is not bridged, a team source acknowledged in January that Jackson could be traded.
“A couple of months ago, I would have said no way. Now it feels like anything is possible.”
Team sources tell ESPN the Ravens continue to balk at guaranteeing the full deal, while all of Jackson’s counteroffers have been for fully-guaranteed deals in excess of Browns QB Deshaun Watson‘s five-year, $230 million deal. I think Lamar might be overvaluing himself at the moment. How many teams will line up to offer Baltimore the compensation they will demand and also give Lamar the contract he wants? He's been injured two years in a row now and has one season of throwing for 3,000+ yards. In my opinion, the market for Watson will have been bigger than for Lamar if it comes to that. Not sure he gets the deal he is looking for if the Ravens allow him to shop his services. I might prefer the Ravens stuck with him playing on the franchise tag rather than the possibility of getting multiple first round picks. It would surprise me a bit if he is able to be traded and gets the deal he is looking for.
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If the standoff is not bridged, a team source acknowledged in January that Jackson could be traded.
“A couple of months ago, I would have said no way. Now it feels like anything is possible.”
Team sources tell ESPN the Ravens continue to balk at guaranteeing the full deal, while all of Jackson’s counteroffers have been for fully-guaranteed deals in excess of Browns QB Deshaun Watson‘s five-year, $230 million deal. I think Lamar might be overvaluing himself at the moment. How many teams will line up to offer Baltimore the compensation they will demand and also give Lamar the contract he wants? He's been injured two years in a row now and has one season of throwing for 3,000+ yards. In my opinion, the market for Watson will have been bigger than for Lamar if it comes to that. Not sure he gets the deal he is looking for if the Ravens allow him to shop his services. I might prefer the Ravens stuck with him playing on the franchise tag rather than the possibility of getting multiple first round picks. It would surprise me a bit if he is able to be traded and gets the deal he is looking for. Lamar needs someone other than his Mom negotiating his contract.
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I mentioned that before. It is a big problem.
This negotiation is complex. Good agents are wired in. They have solid connections with every team. Their job is to know fair market value.
They would know what teams are prepared to give up in trade. They can play teams against each other.
This is a serious negotiation lots of moving parts. Lamar seems ready to hold out for what he believes he is worth.
It will be interesting to see where this goes.
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I have the impression Lamar simply wants out of Baltimore and is playing hardball with the guaranteed money.
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I have the impression Lamar simply wants out of Baltimore and is playing hardball with the guaranteed money. I disagree, although anything can happen. I think he and Harbaugh have a great relationship and he wants to be in Baltimore. Jackson not having an agent is a major issue. But, the Deshaun Watson contract is a major factor because the assumption, traditionally, has been to pay the highest amount when it's a player's turn (if you are elite at your position) regardless if you are better. However, the guaranteed $$ aspect has scared many teams, and for good reasons. I think some said this last March....the Watson deal may completely alter future contracts. We'll shall see.
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j/c.
Jackson is in the drivers seat right now. Problem is, he doesn't have control of the steering wheel, the accelerator, or the brakes. He can demand all he wants, and maybe he wants out of Baltimore, but pushing it too far may bite his contract (future) in the butt.
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Jackson looks like he just spent the weekend with Ricky Williams, and Willie Nelson.
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Best quarterbacks available in the 2023 NFL Draft and free agencyBy Sam Monson Feb 23, 2023 • Derek Carr the top realistic free-agent option? Carr has been a solid starter but ranked 25th in PFF passing grade (65.4) in 2022 and may not be anybody’s first choice as a solution. • Will size concerns drop Bryce Young down draft boards? Young is the top player on PFF’s big board and the owner of by far the best college tape of the class, but his size is going to be virtually unprecedented in the NFL. • Justin Fields up for grabs? Chicago stumbling into the No. 1 overall pick puts the prospect of trading away Justin Fields on the table. Already halfway through his cheap rookie contract, the Bears still don’t know exactly what they have other than one of the most electrifying athletes in the game. Estimated reading time: 5 minutes All 32 NFL teams are firmly into the team-building process, and for many, that starts with analyzing the quarterback market and identifying their next starter. After all, Quarterback is everything in today’s NFL, and it’s only getting more important as a position. Teams can address the position in three key areas — free agency, the 2023 NFL Draft or by trading for a player — so here we will look at how each market looks as we head into what promises to be another fascinating offseason. BEST FREE AGENTS (RANK AMONG PFF’S TOP 100 FREE AGENTS) Lamar Jackson (1) Geno Smith (2) Derek Carr (10) Daniel Jones (14) Jimmy Garoppolo (27) Jacoby Brissett (33) Andy Dalton (N/A) Baker Mayfield (N/A) Teddy Bridgewater (N/A) Mike White (N/A) Several of these players have no chance of actually hitting unrestricted free agency, as their teams are either planning to sign them to a new long-term contract or a shorter-term franchise tag or even to tag-and-trade them if the right offer comes along. If you remove Jackson, Smith and Jones as real options — though that’s speculation, particularly when it comes to Smith — the cupboard starts to look significantly barer. Carr becomes the obvious class of the freely available passers and one of maybe two (Garoppolo being the other) who have a real case to start next season. Carr has been a solid starter but ranked 25th in PFF passing grade (65.4) in 2022 and may not be anybody’s first choice as a solution. PFF’s 2023 NFL free agency rankings offer three-year player grades, updated contract information, in-depth player analysis and PFF’s wins above replacement (WAR) metric for all of the top NFL free agents. BEST QBS IN THE 2023 NFL DRAFT (PFF BIG BOARD RANK) Byrce Young, Alabama (1) Will Levis, Kentucky (4) C.J. Stroud, Ohio State (5) Anthony Richardson, Florida (11) Tanner McKee, Stanford (29) Hendon Hooker, Tennessee (94) Aidan O’Connell, Purdue (132) Jake Haener, Fresno State (144) Stetson Bennett, Georgia (162) Clayton Tune, Houston (181) Four quarterbacks are in the running to be drafted in the top 10, but after that, this class quickly starts to get thin. Among those top four players will be some huge diversity of evaluation. Young is the top player on PFF’s big board and the owner of by far the best college tape of the group, but his size is going to be virtually unprecedented in the NFL — he is listed at 6-foot, 194 pounds, and judging by photographs of him standing next to other people, he could realistically be closer to 5-foot-10, 180. How much do teams care that he will be playing at a size the game hasn’t seen since the days when offensive linemen weighed 230 pounds? If teams do care about size, Kentucky's Will Levis is an obvious anthesis. Levis is 6-foot-3, 232 pounds with a big frame and excellent physical tools. His play is notably worse than Young’s, but so was his supporting cast, especially in 2022. C.J. Stroud from Ohio State also stands 6-foot-3 but is much slighter at around 215 pounds. Florida's Anthony Richardson presents the real x-factor in this draft. He owns the best physical tools, he is the best rushing threat and he has the biggest arm, but he is also the furthest away from being a conventional passing quarterback and represents arguably the biggest project. He is a great case study for how emboldened the NFL is by the recent success of quarterbacks with exceptional tools becoming very good NFL players. BEST QBS AVAILABLE VIA TRADE Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers Justin Fields, Chicago Bears Trey Lance, San Francisco 49ers Zach Wilson, New York Jets Jackson is technically headed for unrestricted free agency, but there is virtually no chance the Ravens allow that to happen. And if he is going to be playing for another team in 2023, it’s because the Ravens slapped the franchise tag on him before trading him. Jackson and the Ravens haven’t been able to get close on a new contract, and given that he's missed significant game time in back-to-back seasons and that he has a unique playstyle within a unique offense that will likely now change with Baltimore's new offensive coordinator, it’s easy to see why the Ravens would have reservations. Rodgers is once again the obvious trade prize this offseason and likely represents Plan A for a lot of NFL teams. After Rodgers, several young quarterbacks could tempt teams. Chicago stumbling into the No. 1 overall pick puts the prospect of trading away Justin Fields on the table. Already halfway through his cheap rookie contract, the Bears still don’t know exactly what they have other than one of the most electrifying athletes in the game. Brock Purdy‘s success for San Francisco this past season likely puts Trey Lance on the trading block, even with Purdy’s elbow injury. Lance still has immense tools, but he will be a big gamble for any team looking to install him as a starter. Wilson’s days as a starter are likely over, but he could be an intriguing reclamation project for a team willing to offer him a fresh start. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-best-quarterbacks-2023-nfl-draft-2022-free-agency
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Jackson looks like he just spent the weekend with Ricky Williams, and Willie Nelson. How does $133 million guaranteed surpass $230 million guaranteed? The contract total is higher than Watson's, but the guarantees are far lower.
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It doesn't and apparently he was insulted by the offer. Analysts have described the $133 million guaranteed money an embarrassment. Lamar's counter-offers to the team have all exceeded Watson's guaranteed $230 guaranteed money.
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Jackson looks like he just spent the weekend with Ricky Williams, and Willie Nelson. How does $133 million guaranteed surpass $230 million guaranteed? The contract total is higher than Watson's, but the guarantees are far lower. Mom Math.
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j/c... Saw this on Reddit, pretty funny: Has the Haslam's Master Plan already started succeeding?
ESPN's Jamison Hensley and Jeremy Fowler report "all of" Lamar Jackson's counteroffers to the Ravens in contract talks "were for fully guaranteed contracts that exceeded" what Deshaun Watson got.
Master Plan:
Pt. 1 - Wait for the sign of a Steelers collapse.
Pt. 2- Trade for Watson and give him all the guaranteed money.
Pt. 3 - Know the Ravens won't pay Lamar all the guaranteed money so he's out of the division.
Pt. 4 - Know Mike Brown will have to give Burrow $55million year and Chase $30m a year yet alone if they start asking for fully guaranteed money (that he doesn't really have).
Pt. 5 - DRINK IT IN MAN
HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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That's funny, yet it might actually materialize.
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Maybe we could win the North by default.
The North is becoming a contract battle.
Worst case is Pickett turns out to be really good.
Lamar leaving the Ravens will set them back for years. The Bengals are in their window until control of Burrow is up.
The DW deal could turn out well if he plays to expectations. 2024 ends the first round blues.
This year and next year is about roster management and cap.
Right now the most important person in the Browns organization is Andrew Berry. Players have to play. But roster management over the next four years will determine if we can win a Super Bowl with DW.
I like Berry and believe in him. I do not expect perfection. But he has to deliver talent to this roster. That means both in free agency, the draft, and trades if made. His record so far has been mixed results. Berry is a bright guy and a hard worker. He knows the responsibilities of his job and his success is critical to the success of the Browns.
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After watching this team regress over the past two years in the win column, anyone who believes that the Haslams had a "Master Plan", it speaks volumes. I've never heard a desperation move described as a "Master Plan" before. No wonder you found it to be funny.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Once again, reading is hard.
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You need to get to work on that.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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