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I don't know the answer to that, but it's a great question and an interesting topic.

If we didn't give DW the deal he got I'm sure one of the other 3 teams that were interested would have. We did it so we're the bad guys now. It's that simple.

They said they weren't given the opportunity to match the offer, not that they would. First one would have to question how many, if any of those NFL owners could just cough up 230 million and put it in a bank account on a moments notice.

Here's the bottom line in all of this. There are uber rich owners and some not so uber rich owners.

Just like with baseball owners. This unprecedented 230 million guarantee will make the NFL no different than MLB.

There will be the Steinbrenner's of the league who can put 230 million into an account and those who can't. Right now the NFL looks at Haslam as their Steinbrenner.

Talk about manipulating the cap. No wonder the NFL is fighting this tooth and nail.

https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/payroll_year/2002

Very sad - CLE payroll in 2002 was $92M.

21 years of inflationary salaries and CLE is spending less now than 21 years ago.

Per that report: "When the stunning announcement was made that Watson was headed to Cleveland and contract details emerged, one team called and asked why it wasn't given an opportunity to match—because, they insisted, they would have. The answer: Watson wanted to go to Cleveland. His only hurdle had been moving to a city where he'd never really been before."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-watsons-browns-contract-if-given-chance

Ready for the spin cycle?

Honestly, the Haslam's are middle of the pack as owners as far as their networth. Tepper in Carolina is around 4 times as "wealthy." The main guy that bought the Broncos is over 10 times as "wealthy." Bisciotti of the Ravens has a higher networth than the Haslams. Link: NFL's Richest Owners

It's not that the Haslams are Steinbrenner, its that the other owners prefer hoarding their money. They like being able to manipulate their effectively monopolized market to take advantage of their workers like most billionaires. Haslam signed Watson to a "free market" deal, as capitalism is supposed to work. The other owners seem committed to their "price fixing" ways.

We'll see how things shake out.

You are right. there is no cap in MLB. But as much as people talk about manipulating the cap they can't seem to see the manipulation here. So are you saying it's parity when a hand full of owners can afford to outbid everyone else because they can afford to put 230 million in an escrow account in guaranteed money while the majority of the owners can't? That's not parity. That's manipulating things to give them an advantage.

That gives the richest owners a distinct advantage. Just like Steinbrenner can buy players while other MLB teams can't afford to.

On the attack already I see. There's a difference in net worth and liquidity.

Guys like Pit try to paint this picture of the poor NFL owners and why they are "fighting this tooth and nail," yet the reality is that NFL franchises are worth billions. Here is part of an article on the worth of NFL franchises.


Ranked: The Most Valuable NFL Teams in 2022

The world’s most valuable sports teams include internationally beloved soccer clubs, massive NBA franchises, and renowned MLB teams. But, it’s the National Football League (NFL) that has arguably the most valuable teams in the world.

In June 2022, the Denver Broncos sold for $4.65 billion, a record for the most expensive team purchase. But if other teams were to sell, they’d potentially command an even greater price tag.

Which teams, and conferences, reign supreme in value? This graphic by Truman Du uses data from Forbes last calculated in August 2022 to show the most valuable NFL teams.

NFL Teams by Value
To calculate team values, Forbes used enterprise values (total team equity plus net debt) and factored in each team’s stadium-related revenue. This includes non-NFL revenue that accrues to each team’s owner, but doesn’t account for the stadium’s real estate value.

The findings? NFL teams continue to become more valuable, rising in 2022 to an average of $4.47 billion, an increase of 28% year-over-year.

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Rank NFL Team Value (Aug 2022)
1 Dallas Cowboys $8.00B
2 New England Patriots $6.40B
3 Los Angeles Rams $6.20B
4 New York Giants $6.00B
5 Chicago Bears $5.80B
6 Washington Commanders $5.60B
7 New York Jets $5.40B
8 San Francisco 49ers $5.20B
9 Las Vegas Raiders $5.10B
10 Philadelphia Eagles $4.90B
11 Houston Texans $4.70B
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Rank NFL Team Value (Aug 2022)
12 Denver Broncos $4.65B
13 Miami Dolphins $4.60B
14 Seattle Seahawks $4.50B
15 Green Bay Packers $4.25B
16 Atlanta Falcons $4.00B
17 Pittsburgh Steelers $3.98B
18 Minnesota Vikings $3.93B
19 Baltimore Ravens $3.90B
20 Los Angeles Chargers $3.88B
21 Cleveland Browns $3.85B
22 Indianapolis Colts $3.80B




https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/ranked-the-most-valuable-nfl-teams-in-2022/

I see you're still having trouble understanding the difference between net worth and liquidity. Haslam just sold Pilot flying J and was flush with cash. But don't let facts get in the way of throwing shade. And I also understand you can't seem seem to comprehend that I said "some owners" not "just Haslam" could afford to do this. But carry on with your tirade.

No, I don't have a problem seeing that. However, you are having trouble admitting that "in June 2022, the Denver Broncos sold for $4.65 billion, a record for the most expensive team purchase. But if other teams were to sell, they’d potentially command an even greater price tag."

Oh, those poor owners!

So AFTER he sold the team he had the money. You do realize you can't sign an NFL QB after you sell the team, right? It's that damned liquidity issue again.

The majority of the other owners could get the "liquidity" if they wanted to. They have plenty of assets to leverage.

They much prefer the risk to be on the players rather than themselves, though.

What? You constantly try to argue points that no one is making. Bottom line............the NFL owners can afford to pay the players. They are being greedy.

I'm sure Mike Brown agrees with you. You seem to think that liquidity isn't an issue here.

When you factor in the injuries the NFL experiences over any other professional sport, to think otherwise would be foolish.

Please show me where I talked about liquidity? You are just inventing BS because you can't face the facts of the situation.

I think a more apt word there would be fair.

I think risking more injury should be better compensated, not less. Especially when you factor in brain trauma.

You haven't mentioned liquidity. Instead you have avoided addressing it like the plague.

The NFL salary cap was negotiated by the owners and the players. The contracts signed are agreed upon by the players. I don't really disagree with you in principal, but from a business standpoint it would be foolish for the owners to agree to fully guarantee long term contracts when the average career of an NFL player is just slightly over three years.

Sadly the brain trauma part of your post is far too real. It's also another part of the equation the players are fully aware of.

While overall player longevity is short, the longevity for starting QBs is generally longer. From the players' perspective, the Tua situation and the lousy state of NFL fields make guaranteed contracts make a lot of sense. When it comes to QBs, I'm not sure the owners have a whole lot to stand on when it comes to not guaranteeing contracts. How many Pro Bowl QBs haven't lasted until age 30? If you're going to adjust the rules to protect QBs, why can't you guarantee their contracts?

Here's another angle on the Lamar Jackson situation/"lack of interest"

Can and will are two different things. The salary cap is an attempt to reach parody. When you give QB's huge guaranteed contracts the salary cap also provides restrictions for building and maintaining an overall talented team. It's a numbers game. I'm not so much upholding the owners for this but I do understand the logic behind it.

No truer words spoken here in a while.

As long as you focus on the word attempt I would say you're right.

Good point.

The Browns did this last year with Watson and Baker was saying he was out before Watson had even committed to the Browns. If Watson hadn’t come here, the Browns wouldn't have had hope and a prayer for a QB. So, yeah. it makes all of the sense.

Agree.. except for the teams that don't have a qb.... Falcons, Commanders, Panthers, and Raiders don't have a qb... they have no one to piss off... Miami, I get.... the other teams that have publicly said they don't want Jackson, I don't get...

well, they can't even legally tamper for a few days yet.

j/c...

They could be in talks with other QBs though, and that could affect those talks as well.

After Miami lost their 1st rounder for "tampering" with Brady, it seems teams are being especially careful about publicly showing interest in players that haven't yet officially reached free agency.

In that light, the Rodgers/Jets meetings stands out, but the Packers gave him permission to seek a trade. I wonder how much communication goes on between teams and the league offices in this kind of situation.

Multi-billion dollar businesses- playing by rules- what you can and can't do hard to keep up with. Lots of balls in air currently- Murray told to grow up as leader- interesting....Jackson situation- wonder what each clubs "analytics section" is saying about his "real value and risks associated with his style of play"- JMHO, he's superb/best running QB in league- not close---he's middle of road passer- MY brain tells me he ain't worth what he wants- two years of "limited availability" is HUGE. I'd pass on him.

Two years of limited availability is a concern, but I don't think any of the injuries should be lingering. I also question the Ravens training/strength staff. The Ravens have been bit bad the past couple of seasons with injuries, and the strength staff was fired last month. They were rated the worst strength staff in the league in the NFLPA survey that has been going around and had the lowest grade of anything with an F-. (Link)

Maybe that is a big reason Lamar seems to want out of Baltimore. Perhaps he wants to go somewhere that will take care of his health better, and I can't really say I blame him.