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Anthony Schwartz...looks like Jane ...plays like Jane.
Schwartz encompasses all that why Berry is not fit
To be a GM. He looks at combine numbers and highlights
On YouTube. It's time for Berry to draft actual football
Players who love football and aren't head cases
Anybody that could spell football could see Schwartz was a 7th
RD pick at best .

At least for me, I was hoping he could be the speedster on PR duties once Grant got hurt.

Oh well, not our new Metcalf.

He was a player that was drafted well above his draft projection and as it turned out in this case, the media was right. It's hard to put a positive spin on this this pick though I'm sure some will try.

I really think playing professional NFL football is too much for him, especially physically, and he knows it.

I understand what you're saying. And when it comes to players all valued close in value at that point in the draft you are correct. But when you make a huge reach by drafting a guy projected to go in the sixth round, in the third round, that's when you are trying to pretend to be the smartest guy in the room when obviously he wasn't. This was an extremely poor, maybe the worst example you could have come up with in regards to Berry and the draft. You can certainly argue he has done average at best in the draft. But there's nothing about this pick that can be excused.

j/c...

As far as draft day goes, we had already traded a pick away to move up and snag JOK.

We traded one of our 3rds... we had two (#89 and #91)

Unfortunately, Berry didn't insist on #91, we traded #89.

Carolina flipped that pick to Houston, who leapfrogged us, to use our own original pick (#89), and draft WR Nico Collins two spots ahead of us. He was about the only value left at WR and I was hoping he would slip to us. The draft was very, very top-heavy at WR and anyone worth their salt was gone by midway through the 2nd.

So... Schwartz was probably next on the chart based on upside alone; because they felt most candidates were a crapshoot (they were).

I can forgive the pick itself as the real mistake was trading the higher pick of the two imo. We were coming off a close loss to KC in the playoffs and the narrative was that we simply couldn't stretch the field. We missed out on Collins and figured we would roll the dice to throw some world class speed into the mix.

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As far as Schwartz goes. It was real easy to see, and right away. Dude is afraid of the game and doesn't belong on the field. It's the first time I've ever written a player off that quickly as he earned my moniker #notarealfootballplayer. I felt dirty even saying it, but it was overwhelmingly evident. I begged him to prove me wrong, knowing pretty-damned-well he wouldn't.

I will be surprised if this is not his last year in the league.

You win some, you lose some.

You lose when you haven't scouted the players properly. Berry made a super stretch for Swartz while Amon-Ra St. Brown USC was just sitting there for the taking. It's true that St. Brown was injured halfway through his final season and was cause for his drop in the draft, but he now has 2,073 yards receiving in 2-years in Detroit and Berry should have known his ability and evaluated the players accordingly. Berry had 2 chancers to draft St. Brown passing on him twice selecting Schwartz in the 3rd and Hudson in the 4th. Picking Swartz wasn't just a miss by Berry, it was a blown opportunity to get one of the brightest young WR stars in the league.

That's why you can look at each pick on an individual basis. This one stunk to high heaven. And I think you're using the term "reach" very loosely here. Sure, you'll see picks often times deviate from the projection by maybe a half a round, a round or even two rounds in very rare cases. But the cases where huge reaches like Schwartz happen rarely ever work out. that's known as the exception to the rule rather than the rule itself. We're talking about a reach of three rounds compared to most projections. And it depends on who you mean by "we". It certainly wasn't the people in charge now who did that. The people who did that were fired a long time ago. That should tell you something.

It's evident that drafting is not Berry's strong point.
He has yet to draft 1 player that is in the NFLs top 100 players.
Heck Sashi Brown at least hit on Garrett and Njoku.
Here's all you need to know on AB.
He drafted Schwartz yet passes on George Pickens who
The Browns have to face twice a year now for years to come.
Drafting is the lifeblood of a NFL franchise.
And with Berry happily giving the Texans 3 1st RD picks
Now it's even more urgent he has to HIT HOMERUNS
from the 2nd RD on back. Not just role players or a starter
He has to hit impact players.
And judging by his draft history he hasn't even pulled that off

Schwartz was drafted in the 3rd round in 2021.
Pickens was drafted by PIT in the 2nd round Pick #52 in 2022 before the Browns had a pick since they traded their 2nd round pick but could of drafted Pickens with no trade. The move left the Browns with no 1st or 2nd round pick in 2022.

The Browns had traded their 1st round pick to Houston in the DeShawn Watson deal.

The Browns then traded their 2nd round pick on day 2 of the draft to Houston.

CLEVELAND RECEIVED:

Round 3, 2022: No. 68 overall -- CB Martin Emerson
Round 4, 2022: No. 108 -- DT Perrion Winfrey
Round 4, 2022: No. 124 (from Philadelphia) -- K Cade York


HOUSTON RECEIVED:

Round 2, 2022: No. 44 overall -- WR John Metchie III

Yes if Berry would have stayed at 44 he could have selected
George Pickens. Which I thought was automatic
That trade with Houston came out of left field.

It's hard to believe Amon-Ra St. Brown was passed over 111 times and was the 16th WR taken in the draft. He slipped through the cracks because of the injury and the regression as a junior... he dropped a lot of passes, seemed to lack concentration and looked lazy (at times) running routes. He also couldn't block a tackling dummy.

I'm not arguing that Schwartz was a terrible pick. But if teams were to redraft every two years they would admit that 80% of their picks were missed opportunities. I guess you can chalk it all up to not being able to scout players if you want to. Makes you wonder how a GM like Dorsey flushed the entire 2019 draft down the toilet.

jc...

I believe the saying goes something like this... but that's what the data told the draft team to do...draft Schwartz in the 3rd round..!

j/c...

What's crazy to me is the Browns' ongoing inability to draft a game-changing WR in any round, in any draft, in any decade, with any FO.

It looked like we finally did it in the 2012 NFL Supplemental Draft... but then he got high.

Without a massive turnaround, this experiment should end before summer does.

Being a ardent follower of SEC football since my preteen years sometimes
You get a certain feel of players from certain schools
In the 80s UT put out quality WRs. Auburn produced RBs even
Before Bo Jackson. The Tide was a factory of wrecking machines
On the defensive side.but certain colleges simply do not
Produce NFL big time production at certain positions
Auburn is not a school that produces WRs. Never has been
Hello Ricardo Louis or Sammy Coates ???
Schwartz ran a limited route tree at Auburn. Didn't have to
Face press coverage too much
He rarely owned top tier CBs downfield. In other
Words most of his grabs were vs bums now in the XFL or
CFL..his tape was not impressive at all. The Tigers
Rarely even used him on jet sweeps

Schwartz might interview well or be mature but it really
Doesn't matter if you cant ball out
Pickens maturity issues were overblown.
Heck the Browns drafted a immature QB only a few years back

Want to draft a WR that can produce big time in the NFL
Try Clemson OSU Alabama or LSU for starters
If you play WR at Auburn chances are you will flop in the NFL

A lot of anguish over a 3rd round pick. Yet, when I brought up DPJ being picked in the 6th round, there were only a couple of short replies.

bone, how do you not know that the same dudes who trash the Browns on every post they make will make a big production out of this draft choice? There have been multiple threads about Schwartz.

He stinks. It was a bad pick. The world keeps spinning. Not a huge deal, especially since drafting DPJ in the 6th isn't even worth talking about.

I think receivers are almost as difficult to draft as corners.

What round is a worthy investment for a one-dimensional role receiver?

If Schwartz became simply average, he becomes a viable weapon.

It is very debatable where Schwartz should have been drafted. His speed alone is very appealing.

Again, if Schwartz is simply average, I don't think we're having these discussions.

I had high hopes for him,,, I may have been wrong.(I'm not alone I think) I think he'll stand for another year and then we'll see. That much speed is killer.

A 25 post thread about Anthony Schwartz? Must be silly season.

Not if you can't catch. Not if you're scared.

Schwartz is just another Travis Benjamin wanting to be a DeShaun Jackson.

Tiny players have to be really special. So far he has proven to be of limited capability.

The question is how many more Anthony Schwartz types
Can we trust AB not to draft this year? He loves developmental
Draft picks

True... He doesn't appear timid about it, but the results don't lie...

Hey now. Benjamin actually contributed....he averaged about 500yds/50+rec a season and had 19td receptions in his first 7 years in the league.

Since you happen to be the thread police around here and demand everyone stay on topic, it seems as if you've decided to employ the "do as I say and not as I do" tactic.

This is a Schwartz thread. The discussion is about Shcwartz. Not about DPJ. You have chosen to try and divert the thread and target people who are being open and honest about the actual topic. Typical.

You always have the option of opening a DPJ thread to continuing to do something you criticize others of doing.

The guy is a BUST, period. I do realize and empathize he may have some issues, however this is the NFL and we know what that stands for. He is a track guy who came from a garbage offense and he got drafted on the P word because we were desperate for that take the top off the defense guy. Well we still don’t have that guy along with only 1 legit LB, 1 safety and maybe 1 DL. Mr Berry and company better hit a home run in FA and are limited Draft picks or he will be in trouble IMHO.

I bet when Schwartz plays Madden and goes on season mode
He doesn't even throw to himself

Dude that is Hilarious. I just watched old football movie Necessary Roughness and the coach screams “Don’t throw it to Stone Hands”.

J/c

I think the struggles have turned into a mental thing and he will be hard pressed to recover. He simply lacks the body type, toughness, and hands to ever be a good contributor IMO. Wasted pick

Caused more turnovers than big plays. That's all that needs said about his career at this point.

No doubt, well said

Ditto, he has world class speed....BUT head case, stone hands, AND injury prone. Put folk in him and move him out.

Everything you just wrote is true except for the headcase thing.. He's a good/smart young man.....

JMHO, when I used headcase I meant he'd lost confidence in playing football- catching the ball- he'll catch all day in practice, but choke in real game settings. I think he should pursue using his degree in another field. Go Browns!!!

Reminds me of little league. I was a pretty good pitcher with no one standing at the plate. Decent velocity. Good accuracy. As soon as I got into a game I struggled. Lost velocity trying not to hit the batter… even though my accuracy wasn’t ever an issue with an empty plate. I just couldn’t do it in a game setting. My little league pitching career was frustratingly (for my coach who liked my practice arm) short.

Swartz hears footsteps. Can’t say I blame him. But like my pitching dilemma, it’ll be his career ender.

Schwartz does not need to improve, he just needs to make plays. If he makes plays like he did in his very first game then he will be the talk of the town. I expect he will be better this year whether on the Browns or if they cut him on a different team.

They Never should have made a use of a 3rd round pick on a player who should have breen brought in as a UDFA but that doesn't change his UDFA abilities to have picked things up by year number 3.

The more time Berry and Depo stick around the worse that roster will get.

What? I remember him failing to battle for a ball thrown to him and standing there dumbfounded while it was picked off.

Schwartz is simply not mentally or physically tough enough
For the NFL. I saw him the other day at Brookside Park
And somebody threw a laser fast Nerfball at him and he
Ducked his head.

Many WRs with his Size has prospered in the NFL
DeShaun Jackson, Gerald McNeil (much smaller)
Isiah McKenzie has made plays..TuTu Atwell contributed
To the Rams this year.

Schwartz has reached his ceiling. Berry didn't do his homework
Good enough on Schwartz. Admit it and cut him.
He is a XFL 2nd string WR trying to br a NFL WR.
All he has is speed. Nothing else

Schwartz is just another in a VERY long list of missed and wasted draft picks by the Browns. That is the biggest reason why we never won anything and make the playoffs once a decade. SAD!!

Watching the Combine, I saw speed aplenty and a number of guys that I would prefer to have that roster spot, and some that would be solid developmental choices for the PS. We gave him a long time to light his candle; I haven't seen enough as far as being hungry for the ball, fighting for a 50-50, and just hunger. Cross NFL off your bucket list, AS. It may be about the only separation we will see in his Browns career.

J/c,

I think one of the biggest hurdles Schwartz (and Browns receivers/players/staff in general) might have is all the mental/emotional energy he has to waste trying to ignore "fans'" negativity.

There are things he needs to improve on, but dumping on him only makes his improvement less likely. We have one of the most "passionate" fan bases in the league, but also likely one of the most quick to turn pessimistic. I think that emotional anchor plays some part in the results we see.

To play in the NFL you have to be emotionally strong. As much as Browns fans think they're so special, they're really not in regards to what you're talking about. Fans across the league expect players to live up to their contracts and draft status. Reading the Philly board, the Jets board, the Steelers board and others in the past and now actually living in Titans territory I can tell you that Browns fans are just like them in expecting accountability from their players. At one time not so long ago most teams had message boards. I used to look at them in regards to our upcoming games we had against teams. They were really no different than what we see here.

It's simply part of delivering what is expected of you. You either perform or you don't. You get judged by the fans according to your performance or lack there of. Playing in the NFL is not for the weak of heart and expecting to get grief from the fan base when your performance sucks goes with the territory. If you can't handle public scrutiny, pro sports probably isn't for you.

You may be right about other teams also having negative fans. That doesn't mean it's not part of our problem.

Part of being "emotionally strong," if there is such a thing, comes from having a support network. I don't know if the Browns do enough in helping to provide that. Brown's fans definitely don't seem to provide much emotional support.

Yes, getting grief comes with the territory. Should it?

I'm not going to say it should. And you may very well have a point on the Browns not providing a good support network. That's something I have no idea about either way.

But the reality is when you go into any profession that puts yourself in the public eye you will be judged by your performance. Right or wrong that simply goes with the territory.

As such as with in any other professional sport Browns fans offer support to those who play well. A large part of that as I said before exists in all professional sport in every city where they exist. Much of that I think is due to fans having an emotional and vested interest in their sports teams. It's a big part of their life and is extremely important to them.

If you can't hack it, pack it...

[quote=PortlandDawg]Reminds me of little league. I was a pretty good pitcher with no one standing at the plate. Decent velocity. Good accuracy. As soon as I got into a game I struggled. Lost velocity trying not to hit the batter… even though my accuracy wasn’t ever an issue with an empty plate. I just couldn’t do it in a game setting. My little league pitching career was frustratingly (for my coach who liked my practice arm) short.

Swartz hears footsteps. Can’t say I blame him. But like my pitching dilemma, it’ll be his career ender.[/quote)]

You just described my Little League pitching "career".

....yeah, my curveball had a tendency to start at the batter's head and... not curve....

I never stated what NFL receivers do is EASY- but don't doubt Browns have given Schwartz EVERY kind of support- JMHO- I'm POSITIVE he's had phycological experts help him, he's hit the football machine till it broke, Browns don't throw away 3rd Rnd precious draft capital without giving WORLD class speed every opportunity to succeed. It's the ONLY reason he as a slot still- I'd have cut bait probably, but soon as we cut him some other team will sign him- positive they can help him get it. If he'd been .2 slower he'd been gone years ago.

I wonder if we can get a conditional 7th and a ham sandwich for Schwartz.

He’ll have one more shot - his last one with us - at camp.

I'm not sure we could manage to get just the ham sandwich.

Is that you, Akron Joe?

he actually has done more.

he single-handedly got Baker out of Cleveland.

felt that burn