Pick up Jeudy's 5th year option in 2024. By the time Jeudy is due for a big contract, Cooper's contract has expired following the 2024 season in which Cooper will be 31.
And he would only cost us just over 17M for the first two years. Jeudy was also used in the slot at Alabama, I m not sure if he has been used in the slot with Denver too.
The hard part when looking at Jeudy is judging his time with Denver.
He is 23. Still very young.
The Denver qb situation has been unsteady. Jeudy went into a tough situation. If there is interest on the Browns part. They have to look at him as a long term investment who would take over for Cooper at some point.
Always hard to tell what Jeudy's true potential is? If they look at him and see more than he has done so far.
Then he may be worth their second rounder.
I don't have an opinion on him.
I think the question for the Browns FO and coaching staff is do they think Judy is going to be better next year than any rookie they draft?
I do think there is a sense of urgency in the office and while long term thinking hasn't been totally eliminated, there is a small window in front of them. The thinking may be you worry about Judys next year contract, next year. Do you bank on a veteran player or do you bank of a rookie?
I am 100% confident that Haslam has communicated to everybody that counts that next year is very important for them. I am 100% confident that the coaching changes were made at the "suggestion" of the owner, and I am 100% behind Jimmy Haslam on this.
The guy has spent hundreds of $millions in support of his staff and now he expects to see a return. We haven't spent anything towards the Browns....well, I did just send off near $5000 for my season tickets, and we expect to see returns. I suspect that the Haslam group who just spent a quarter $billion on a QB and had to endure the PR backlash expect to see a return too. Don't you think? I think so, and agree they should expect a ROI. They don't just throw money down the drain just like you or I. They have pride just we have pride in our team.
No, I don't think the FO is looking for a rookie receiver to answer their needs. Maybe it's not Judy, I have seen Godwin being mentioned. I don't know who it is, but we will try hard to bring in a vet receiver.
Then we can draft one as well. Then the draft is wide open to bring in good players who might help immediately and in the future.
Just Win, Baby, as Al Davis used to say. I think that is what Jimmy has communicated to the staff.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Pick up Jeudy's 5th year option in 2024. By the time Jeudy is due for a big contract, Cooper's contract has expired following the 2024 season in which Cooper will be 31.
Picking up the option should cost the Browns around $13 million. He will want more after that. Look, I have scoffed at all the drama about salary cap hell, but you have to manage the cap. Having guys on rookie deals is a good thing for the cap. It gives the team flexibility.
We paid Watson big bucks. He should be able to elevate others. This isn't a Baker Mayfield situation who had to be carried by others. If Watson can't return to elite status, the team is doomed and a guy like Jeudy won't change that. I'd spend the money elsewhere.
I'd trade for Jeudy and still draft a WR. Watson will be restructured again next year. Garrett and Ward could be as well. Chubb may be gone or extended and restructured. Next year is likely Teller's last year if he's not traded in the offseason. I do not think a $13M cap hit in 2024 would be an issue. I certainly understand your POV, however.
Here's some entertaining media on media crime as this devolves into quite the back and forth.
I understand your POV, as well. It's an honest debate, which I will always welcome. No insults, no misrepresenting one another's message. Just a slight difference of opinion. I wish all contrary opinions would follow along these lines.
One side note. I am not in the Daryl Ruiter camp. I think most of us know that Dallas dealt Cooper because of his contract, which I believe was about $20 million and Jones was ticked at him for getting Covid and missing some time.
I'd trade for Jeudy and still draft a WR. Watson will be restructured again next year. Garrett and Ward could be as well. Chubb may be gone or extended and restructured. Next year is likely Teller's last year if he's not traded in the offseason. I do not think a $13M cap hit in 2024 would be an issue. I certainly understand your POV, however.
Here's some entertaining media on media crime as this devolves into quite the back and forth.
Not sure where Cory got Jeudy as the top YPRR WR. PFF has ten other guys in the top 10.
My issue with Jeudy is the cost both in the trade capital and cap space as well as questions around his durability. He's missed time with ankle injuries the past two seasons. Had nagging rib and shoulder injuries his rookie year. Also tore a meniscus at Alabama. His build is on the slight side which doesn't inspire confidence in his suddenly staying healthy.
If I'm going to gamble, I prefer that it's cost controlled.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I posted this link earlier, but click on it and scroll down a bit until you see the green and red bars. Jeudy did not have the highest YPRR, but it was very high.
Who said it’s an either or situation? I assume both would be on the roster. I expect the Browns to run a lot of 11 personnel next season. I anticipate Watson throwing the ball 35+ times per game.
Who said it’s an either or situation? I assume both would be on the roster. I expect the Browns to run a lot of 11 personnel next season. I anticipate Watson throwing the ball 35+ times per game.
I don't know if we don't have room for another playmaker. We have 3. Cooper Chubb DPJ (close enough and should be this year)
Juke is our perfect tier 2 receiver (most teams only have 1 of these)
Tier 3 We have Ford/Felton/Bell
We attempted 32 passes a game and KC throws it 37 times a game
KC didn't have a single 1,000-yard WR Minnesota only had 1 1k receiver The chargers didn't have a 1k receiver
The Dolphins had 2 1k receivers but didn't have a 1k RB TB had 2 1k receivers but didn't have a 1k RB The Bengals had 2 (barely) 1k receivers but didn't have a 1k RB
the point is there is only so much ball to go around.
Chubb and Cooper and DPJ are out 1k players
So... yes, it is one or the other.
Blocking those who argue to argue, eliminates the argument.
As we do not have a 1st, the ask is a 2nd and a player. Of course, that is the ask and not necessarily what they would get. But thinking of a 2nd + a player, they are going to want someone with value. So no Schwartz, Bryant, or Togiai. Who would it take? I have seen on social media where some are suggesting Newsome. I am sure Denver would be ok with that. Me, not so much. I think starter quality CBs are much more difficult to find than starter quality WRs.
How does a league celebrating its 100th season only recognize the 53 most recent championships?
I think it's been mentioned here but not enough, IMO. The talent for Jeudy is there, but I think his age plays a HUGE factor in all of this. The upside to have your #1 WR for the next 5+ years must be appetizing to the FO. I guess it comes down to whether or not the juice is worth the squeeze regarding what you'd have to give up.
There just seems to be too much smoke around these two teams to ignore that the Browns are serious about it. Whether or not a deal is consummated is a different matter entirely.
Offense: Watson remotely as good as all are saying. One of the best O's in the NFL
Defense: DL looking excellent plus Schwartz as coach we should be a top 5 D and a bigtime turnover machine.
Special Teams: We are stacking this team with specialists - Man o Man
If we didn't make the trade and Baker did not heal as expected - I think we would have gone after Aaron Rogers Plus we would have had last years #13 pick Jordan Davis Oh my Gosh!!! But it is what it is still dont like the pediphile situation....smh rather have rogers!
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Charges against Broncos wide receiver Jerry Jeudy have been dropped, three weeks after he was arrested and held overnight for second-degree criminal tampering, with a domestic violence enhancer.
Blocking those who argue to argue, eliminates the argument.
He was an amazing college WR. He got hurt I believe and I guess lost his confidence - An amazing turnaround with these drops. He will get back together again.
WR is one of the most riskiest position to invest in. Once the fantasy football hit the scene all this got to invest in WR, WR, WR bs has gone off the books. Yes the rare amazing WR makes a difference , but the draft each yeaer gives you around 12 guys to add to the roster and make a good shot for us.
QB, LT, Edge rusher, Cover Corners are still the rare commodities to go after and make a difference to the team.
Go Browns!!!
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Cory @realcorykinnan -Top receiver in yards per route run last year -Creates more separation than almost any receiver in the league -Already a top 5 route runner in the NFL (comfortably) -7 less drops and 4% lower drop rate than the Browns' WR1 last year
Browns' trade target Jerry Jeudy well worth the asking price Cory Kinnan March 22, 2023 9:39 am ET
The Cleveland Browns are making a concerted effort to get more explosive in the passing attack in 2023. And the smoke is visible between the Browns and Denver Broncos as they continue to float out their former first round wide receiver as trade bait. As the Browns continue to pursue Jerry Jeudy on the trade market, with the asking price likely the 42nd overall pick in the draft and an additional pick, this price for Jeudy is well worth it.
Here we take a look at data provided by SIS, PFF, ESPN Analytics, and Next Gen Stats to break down exactly what makes Jeudy such a tantalizing trade target for the Browns.
A weak draft class of wide receivers and a surplus of day-three picks
If there is one thing I am certain of with the Browns as the 2023 NFL Draft nears, it is that they are not making six picks on day-three of the draft. With two fourths and two fifths, it makes sense to take one of those picks with the 42nd overall pick to make the deal. With only four picks in next year’s draft, this makes more sense than trying to pull a pick from that pool.
Compared to the three classes before the 2023 crop of receivers, it is just not a good class at the top. In this wide receiver class, where the most tantalizing targets with that pick are North Carolina’s Josh Downs or Cincinnati’s Tyler Scott, flipping 42 for Jeudy would be a home run.
It is doubtful the Browns want to go into the draft without a pick until the 98th overall pick. But if they can reframe and tell themselves that Jeudy was their second round pick, it may smooth out a bit of the thought process.
Jerry Jeudy flat-out gets open
According to Next Gen Stats, Jeudy is the best separator of any target who is not a tight end or a pure slot receiver with over seven yards of cushion. Additionally, Jeudy is the top receiver in yards per route run against man coverage, proving to be more than capable of torching cornerbacks one-on-one.
When going against man coverage in 2022, Jeudy posted a massive 21 yards per route run, no drops, a 150.5 rating, and an EPA and points earned that would rank him fifth of all wide receivers in the NFL (according to SIS).
He possesses explosive hip sink, plays the game in slow motion to create and hunt out blindspots of defensive backs, and is unbelievably sudden at the top of routes. Even with Cooper on the roster, Jeudy would be the best route runner on the team in Cleveland.
Jeudy can do something no Browns receiver could do a year ago: create after the catch
There is not a receiver on the Browns roster that has shown the ability to create lightning in a bottle with the ball in their hands after the catch. The only name currently on the roster that may be able to do so is Jaelen Darden, but he is not a lock to make the roster and struggled to find the field after he was claimed by the Browns late in the season.
Enter Jeudy.
Sixth in yards after the catch in 2022, Jeudy is an incredibly hard man to bring down in the open field. Elusive and explosive, Jeudy can break angles in the open field on his way to the endzone and shows the ability to stop on a dime and change directions losslessly as he reverses the field.
On screens, manufactured touches, and creating after the catch down the field, Jeudy has a skillset that is desperately needed on this team.
The drop issues of Jeudy are vastly overblown
Sure, Jeudy had a rough time catching the football as a rookie, but since then his hands have been around league average. In 2022, Jeudy was charted with six drops according to PFF. This was the same as his teammate Courtland Sutton, Amari Cooper, Davante Adams, DeVonta Smith, and Ja’Marr Chase.
His drop percentage was 26th in the NFL, below the likes of Diontae Johnson, Alec Pierce, Brandin Cooks, Jaylen Waddle, and Christian Kirk.
SIS has Jeudy charted at just a 6.5 percent drop rate this past season. Beyond his rookie season, the drops and drop rate of Jeudy have trended toward the league average more than any sort of outlying or glaring number.
Drops happen to everybody. Guess who has a consistently staggering drop rate that nobody cares about because he produces? Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce, but attention is not paid to that because he produces.
And Jeudy produced in 2022 despite playing with a quarterback who was among the bottom five in the NFL a year ago.
Closing the book on Jeudy
Amari Cooper is pegged as having a great year for the Browns a year ago. And he did! Setting career marks, or coming even with career marks almost across the board, Cooper left a ton to like on the field in 2022. However, Jeudy produced just as well as he did across the board in two fewer games and 32 fewer targets.
He is an elite receiver at beating man coverage, and his drop issues have trended more toward the league average than anything else. With two years of control on his rookie contract still, before Jeudy would need a new deal, the Browns would have a cost-effective WR1B to Cooper’s 1A in 2023.
As the Browns have to deal with the reality of Cooper’s cap hit beyond 2023 as well, Jeudy gives the Browns a pure top option even if they have to part ways elsewhere. For the price of the 42nd overall pick and an additional day three pick (of which the Browns have six), the price of admission is with it for Jeudy.
It looks to me that his upside pushes this to; we should get him.
Make this happen.
His potential is way higher than the receivers I have seen in this draft. His impact on our roster will be way more than what I would expect from pick 42.
He is young. He will make the offense cook. He is a good longer term investment. The situation that has been Denver is giving us an opportunity we would not have had.
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