DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Looks like Charges coming against Trump

But is what the media is saying he's being tried for even illegal?

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It kind of smells of a smear campaign. If not the DA, then definitely the coverage of it. It seems to me that the DA in NY would know how the media operates.

So? I mean, I get you. And yes, my comment is extreme, BUT SO IS THE THOUGHT of letting Trump get away with all he did. Maybe it's the military man in me, but trump and his minions crossed a line on the 6th that made them lower than scum to me, and anything wrong that happens to them is entirely deserved, IMHO. I would march them out and execute them to the man if it were up to me. Two, three, and four-year prison sentences for attacking the fabric of our democracy are a JOKE. So no, I don't feel divisive. I want justice in any way I can get it. And I think a massive part of the left feels this way. And if the other side wants to continue trotting out fools and miscreants as their leaders, then the left MUST police the trash they send to Washington. You never saw the left go after the right like this pre-fascist Putin-loving tea party Trumpian trash movement. I can't help but think about how we ended the crime spree of Al Capone. He should have been charged as a murderer or any number of violent gangland crimes. But the law enforcement apparatus had been so corrupted that Capone and other gangsters of the time were treated like VIPs instead of the criminals they were. What finally sent him to prison was a minor offense by current Republican standards. Did he not deserve that? The same way I feel here. Get Trump no matter what, make it legal, make it stick, and make him go away.

If it were that simple I would agree with you, but it's not. It's whether the way he covered up those payments that seems to be the issue here. It seems he wrote them off as legal fee as legal fees, which they certainly were not to hide the payments and from what I've been reading about the case it may also pertain to him using that money from his campaign funds which would be a clear abuse of campaign finance laws.

But in the overall picture of things I think it's the least worrisome of all of the ongoing investigations of trump. Others are far more severe and concerning.

He broke campaign finance law. Nobody cares about him sleeping with her. They care about "fair and open elections" where candidates don't gain an unfair advantage by cheating... So all the big lie proponents wanting election reforms should be pointing at THIS as Trump trying to put his thumb on the scale to steal an election in 2016. Where's the outrage?

I don't know that he actually broke campaign finance laws. I do know that's what part of the investigation has been about. I also don't see how actually taking money away from his campaign to pay off a porn star helps his campaign. He could have gotten that same money from other places such as from his company or his personal funds and accomplished the same thing. I understand that the way his mind works he would take the money from the donations of other people rather than pay it out of his own pocket. And that may very well end up being his undoing.

Yes, that's the campaign funding violation. Even if the funds came from his pocket, he failed to disclose this as election-related expenditures and attempted to cover it up. Now had he written her a check before he declared, this would all be moot. But the way he did it was against the law.

I'm not an expert on campaign finance law so I can't say for sure. I'm not sure how one would claim it was a campaign law violation if it wasn't paid from his campaign fund but you could be right.

The article that started this thread (assuming it's the same one that was quoted a couple posts later) never mentions campaign finance law.

There's also the possibility he's found not guilty. A lawyer that worked for Trump/his campaign (Cohen) was found guilty. However, there's a (possibly good) chance it was done without Trump's knowledge. I could see a jury being persuaded that Trump's not the kind of person to give away money when he believes he's in the right (which of course is effectively always, the belief.) His campaign/handlers may very well have purposefully insulated him from any potentially illegal activity.

And if he is found NOT GUILTY by a jury of his peers, I'll be good with that, and so will the left. It's him not going through the process that will put the left on tilt.

Oh, and as one of the boards' more progressive posters, I feel that I'm very well-tuned to the rumblings on the left and better understand how they will react to what happens here. Although, I will admit that I've been surprised by the left before.

Soooooo... no charges yet?

Unlike the Dem's who do hold theirs accountable.... Like Edwards! He has been dead meat in the party and elsewhere since 2004. How about Al Franken..

Geez, the MAGA party can't even get rid of a guy like George Santos.. Geez.. Or how about Ted "It's cold so I gotta catch a play to Mexico" Cruz.

Yes because trump doesnt call the shots

Just checking... I've heard charges were imminent for about 5 years now... so was just curious...

He'll be arrested on Tuesday. Oh, crap, it's Wednesday...

So you are saying you can't believe what trump says?

You took a small piece of a conversation between Pit and I, about the current division, not about the charges themselves, and made a comment as if I said something I did not.

NOBODY,,, Absolutely nobody said he would be arrested on Tuesday except Trump and that appears to be strictly for fund raising.. Asking his 74 million voters to donate between $24.00 and $3300.00, The dudes a grifter....

Before you say it, I'll say it, yes, every news outlet reported he'd be arrested on Tuesday... But they were all reporting what Trump said. No official sources in Braggs office.

No schlitz, Sherlock.

Then the question would become why did he pay Cohen back the 130k? But you are correct in the fact he may very well be found not guilty. Heck, for all we know he may not even be charged at this point.

I agree with OCD that this "I will be arrested on Tuesday" thing was something trump made up out of thin air to raise funds. Since he stated that he has sent out numerous emails to his followers trying to raise more money.

Trump fundraises off possible indictment

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3911468-trump-fundraises-off-possible-indictment/

Could you imagine someone telling you they were going to be arrested on Tuesday, requesting you to send donations because of it, show up to protest his arrest and then nothing happens?

How long are these people going to keep believing him?

I think the more appropriate question is how much hush money the communists in China have paid the Biden family?

It will be interesting to see if Joe lets his children take the sword or if he is a real parent and protects his kids?

You are as bad as Trump and his minions... You don't know anything about this other than what your told by Qanon and Tucker Carlson and Hannaty..

You just do that when you can't think of an excuse for trumps actions. You and all his lawyers do that..

Might it be true, sure.. Any clear proof out there yet... NOPE.. But you go ahead, keep pushing anything that distracts from the topic at hand.

Rick, that is the topic at hand.

Trump and Stormy is what, 6-7 years ago?

Bill Clinton paid hundreds of thousand to Paula Jones for the same thing
He paid her to "Hush".

Dude, it may not be what you or I do, but guys have been paying their women "on the side" for a long time to be silent.

You are acting like this has never been done before. The guys want the silence, the girls want the payment. It is what it is.

The devil is in the details, and the exact wording of the statue regarding campaign finance law..

None of which has been clearly explained in the generic news articles.

Now, Trump can legitimately claim that the payoff was to avoid personal embarrassment.

But the challenge is that the Trump Organization, not Trump the person wrote the check. So he has muddied the waters on this one.

It would have been far worse if for example the Trump Campaign for President wrote the check.

Clinton writing a check to Paula Jones or anyone else is their personal business. The same standard would apply to Trump.

But the Trump Organization writing a check for to Michael Cohen for reimbursement as legal expenses, it probably only an accounting violation and less likely a campaign law violation. Unless campaign finance law clearly identify personal or business related expenses that may be considered during the period of time when the Trump Campaign for President was active.

If I take a look at this, Trump simply did this to avoid personal taxes and Cohen should have sent Stormy a 1099....

I don’t buy this for a minute but it does show that Cohen is a liar. I think he was lying in the past but this has to place doubt on the whole situation. From what I understand, trying to make this misdemeanor into a felony was a reach to begin with. Never has a state court ever tried this. The FCC and Justice both passed on filing charges. The old saying is that a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. Even with that low bar I don’t see this going anywhere.

This overreach is just going to embolden Trump and his supporters even more. IMO the only investigation where charges could come should be from January 6th.

this is why we shouldn't cast judgment until the facts come out.

That is known, Cohen used his home equity line for the funds to pay Stormy, and then billed the Trump Organization who paid Cohen and The Trump organization categorized the payment as legal expenses.

The question is was that a violation of campaign finance law by the Trump organization or Trump personally…

Sorry man, I didn't mean it like that; I simply expressed my feelings on it.

It's all good, just wanted it to be clear.

Wow did you ever miss the point. the payoff to daniels is nothing.. like you said, it's not the first time..

Hey murders have been committed all the time ...no big deal.

Now Trump murdered someone?

It's really hard to keep up with this cat.

j/c

Just a couple of facts to help clear up what some seem to try and make into muddy water here. First, trump admitted he paid Cohen for the Stormy Daniels settlement in a series of tweets. So for those who think otherwise by paying attention to fake news on that part of the topic, here is a series of Tweets in which he does just that though he denies ever having sex with her and also denying it had anything to do with campaign contributions.







And if one even stopped to think about it for a minute, maybe they should look at what Cohen himself was convicted of.


So somehow there has to be some sort of violation of campaign finance laws involved here. Whether they can link those violations back to trump remains to be seen.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...ourt-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax

This seems to be a good summary without needing to be provocative. I only gave it a quick browse though.

JMHO, "the Donald" is much "slicker" than Slick Willie Clinton- both have trouble keeping their "Johnson" in control. Don't think Slick Willie ever caught talking about "you can grab them by the [censored] if your want...as a big shot"....Trump might slide by all his indictments for several reasons- one- MONEY and two- he's been playing the legal game for multiple decades......how do all his associates like- Cohen, Weissenberg, Manafort, Stone, Bannon, Flynn- pardoned by Trump.......on and on....his buddies take the fall, but Trump- who has done NOTHING wrong walks around free and easy....MONEY....and idiots send him money to pay his legal bills....only in America.

Old saying- sucker born every day- we got millions of them following this idiots tune. Lock him up. Please.

....Is he competent to stand trial....?

What is wrong with him? (What isn't?)

To me it looks like National File ran an "article" with the image and Trump put in on his feed. The tweet seems to want people to believe Trump created the image, which doesn't appear to be the case.

Here is my understanding of the issue with the Stormy Danials payoff.

It isn't the payoff itself. Had it come from Trump himself there would be no issue. The problem is that he filtered it through the Trump organization creating a falsification of business documents. If he is convicted it is a misdemeanor. However, if this was done to conceal or help commit another crime then it becomes a felony

As far as Micheal Cohen's credibility, it is NY law that you cannot be convicted based solely on the testimony of an accomplice. Anything in his testimony has to be corroborated by other sources.

Just FYI

Have you listened to Gaitz and Bobert and MTG? They are the ones that are going nut, calling the Left the "radical Left" when in reality, they are not the radicals.. The far right is.

I have to laugh when I see these MAGA folks get all upset. Trump and his minions throw out all kinds of crap then complain when the Left responds in kind..

As for this kinda thing being inherently divisive, damn, somebody tell Trump to put a gag in it.

Bull, if you wanna follow a grifter that last saturday said that he was going to be arrested on Tuesday, when NOBODY in a position to know said he was going to be arrested on tuesday. The only reason was to Grift donations from his loyal supporters. That's a grift.....

And so the wheel spins, and so the wheel spins.

The left no the right no the left no the right no the left no the right!

Same as it ever was.