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Good move. I like this pick up!
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Seems like Jeudy AND a starting player was too much, and then having to extend to boot.
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We also save on our Draft pool cap hit. Giving us a little more room for FA cost.
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So Browns get Moore by essentially moving back one round.
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So Browns get Moore by essentially moving back one round. Jack Duffin @JackDuffin What did Elijah Moore cost the #Browns? Using the Fitzgerald-Spielberger Trade Chart (Analytics) 42 - 1106 74 - 819 So effectively given up pick 211 for Moore Using Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart (Old School 42 - 480 74 - 220 So effectively given up pick 66 Great value by AB 👏 https://twitter.com/JackDuffin/status/1638633542862385158
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j/c:
Moore is 22. Turns 23 soon.
Still very young.
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The Broncos were under no pressure to trade Jeudy.
They wanted a lot and nobody was willing to come up with their price.
Here with Moore you look at what he can do and how will he fit with the offense.
He will get way more targets with the Browns. He will allow us to attack all parts of the field both vertical and horizontal.
The cost is reasonable. He is only 22 years old.
I like the move.
I thought this free agency would be a big test for Berry. He has addressed every need and done so in a logical manner.
Really happy with moves made. All I can do now is hope they play well.
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The Broncos were under no pressure to trade Jeudy.
They wanted a lot and nobody was willing to come up with their price.
Here with Moore you look at what he can do and how will he fit with the offense.
He will get way more targets with the Browns. He will allow us to attack all parts of the field both vertical and horizontal.
The cost is reasonable. He is only 22 years old.
I like the move.
I thought this free agency would be a big test for Berry. He has addressed every need and done so in a logical manner.
Really happy with moves made. All I can do now is hope they play well. The Browns also desperately needed a slot receiver. Moore was a slot receiver at Ole Miss, and then for whatever reason the Jets tried to make him an outside receiver. I would assume we will move him back to the slot.
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Here is a video of him running routes in games
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Like move, Schwartz should be traded or released- now we have a PROVEN fast WR. Great job. GO Browns!!
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Moore just gives this offense more sizzle and explosiveness
But has anyone wondered why the Jets gave up
On him so fast?
Anthony Schwartz should be released now.
He is as about useful as a squirt gun in a mob hit.
I wonder where the Browns WR room ranks among
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LOL...I like the mob hit comment.
There isn't much point in releasing Schwartz at this point. If it saves money, it wouldn't be so much to allow us to pick up any other FA with his money. Maybe he is cut June 1? At any rate, bringing him to camp has no real downside. We expect he will be cut because he can't catch. There is only upside in that he actually finds something and plays great.
I doubt that, but sticking with him through a round or two of cuts isn't going to hurt anything. There are plenty of reps to be had for anybody the coaches want to get reps.
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As for the trade....A IMO.
I liked Moore when at Ole Miss. Very exciting player. I was hoping he would select the Gators out of HS. He went to HS in Florida.
Berry is very good. Even if we flop this year, I would still keep Berry. The guy is good. Moore plus a 3rd for our 2nd? Seriously, how good is that? We pick up a 3rd where we can still pick good players, and Moore is like our 2nd round pick.
I'll take that every day.
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Moore just gives this offense more sizzle and explosiveness
But has anyone wondered why the Jets gave up
On him so fast?
Anthony Schwartz should be released now.
He is as about useful as a squirt gun in a mob hit.
I wonder where the Browns WR room ranks among
The league in combined salaries? "His trade request last year came as a result of a lack of targets and poor quarterback play." https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-rumors-expected-trade-elijah-mooreLMAO at the Schwartz comment. 🤣
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So now we have 2-3's, 2-4's, 2-5's a 6 and a 7. We might be able to package a few of those to get back into the 2nd round if AB sees a player he really wants.
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We still need another DT and a LB IMO. We should be able to still get some decent players in the draft.
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3rd, 4th, and 5th rounders are perfect spots to pick up nuts and bolts players. Guards, RT's, Centers, RB's. Players like Bitonio, Conk, Chubb, are nearing the end of their shelf life.
No doubt you probably aren't going to get blue chip players, but you can get good players. At any position really, but the ones I mentioned are in rounds where you can still find some of the better players available.
As a baseball guy, and borrowing a line from Savage, doubles work just fine. Add in a single or two and you have a big inning. I don't think anybody got super excited when we drafted Bitonio. Heck, most of us never heard of the guy, yet here he is years later building a HOF possible resume.
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Trades are a collaboration between teams.
Teams exchange for needs and wants. When you look at this deal and really break it down. It serves both teams.
Moore and the Jets were a bad mix. He had issues with them and asked to be traded.
Looking at our needs and fit. Hand in glove. Cooper and DPJ play wide. Both are physical receivers. Both have speed and make contested catches. Neither are quick in space and live by separation.
DW extends plays. It is part of his game. We were missing that guy who when the play is broken can shake loose quickly coming back for the ball.
Moore has that ability. He is quick guy guy who can separate quickly out of the slot. He also can go deep with speed.
Inside the offense now we can cover the field. We have Chubb who can break runs. We have two pass catching TE with height that run seam routes and play tall in the red zone. We have Cooper and DPJ on the boundary. Bell and Moore are two different type slot guys. Bell is physical and big. Moore is small and quick.
The offense and defense have both been improved since 2022 ended. Schwartz is a big add. Ventrone is an upgrade.
We have added to the DL inside and outside. We have added the speed element to the offense.
We have draft picks and a clean slate. We can move up and down or gain picks next year. We can be flexible in the draft and truly select BPA.
We have addressed our needs in free agency.
AB is showing Harvard does not graduate dumb guys.
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j/c:
Love this trade. I think we stole him. I'd rather have Moore than Hardman. I also feel this is a much safer move than trading for Jeudy. I would not have complained about trading for Jeudy, but it was risky business. The guy could end up being really, really good or he could continue to be what he's been thus far. Also, trading away all your draft picks is not sound business. Those rookie contracts help you w/the cap.
My only concern w/Moore is that he asked for a trade last year and complained some. I'm doing this from memory, but he was asked about if he was developing chemistry w/the qb [I forget which one it was] and Moore replied that he wouldn't know because he never gets targeted.
He fills a need. Came w/a favorable contract and we hardly gave up anything to get him.
Berry is kicking something this year. It's not the can. He is kicking ass!
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Moore just gives this offense more sizzle and explosiveness
But has anyone wondered why the Jets gave up
On him so fast?
Anthony Schwartz should be released now.
He is as about useful as a squirt gun in a mob hit.
I wonder where the Browns WR room ranks among
The league in combined salaries? "His trade request last year came as a result of a lack of targets and poor quarterback play." https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-rumors-expected-trade-elijah-mooreLMAO at the Schwartz comment. 🤣 If Watson returns to form, Moore is going to love playing here.
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My only concern w/Moore is that he asked for a trade last year and complained some. I'm doing this from memory, but he was asked about if he was developing chemistry w/the qb [I forget which one it was] and Moore replied that he wouldn't know because he never gets targeted. The Zach Wilson Experience:
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I figured it was probably Wilson, but I wasn't positive.
Check out this tweet. There are a series of tweets that will brighten the day of anyone who is a fan of the Browns.
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Jeudy would have been a great add. However, his cost both near and far would be way more. Denver wanted a lot in trade. In a year his cost would have gone up a lot.
Moore fits a need and is affordable. His upside is really high.
I am not worried about what went down with the Jets. He was open and not getting targets. He got into it LaFleur. And asked to be traded.
This is a new chance for him with a QB who will find him if open. There are lots of advanced stats. When you look at them. This guy fits the position of slot receiver.
I am also glad we resigned Walker. When you hear from two teams about his leadership. It means something. He was playing well for us before he was injured.
I am really excited about the moves AB made.
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Jeudy was just something of a smokescreen to get the Moore trade done.
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My only concern w/Moore is that he asked for a trade last year and complained some. I'm doing this from memory, but he was asked about if he was developing chemistry w/the qb [I forget which one it was] and Moore replied that he wouldn't know because he never gets targeted. The Zach Wilson Experience: --->full season extrapolation (140/93/1,338/17)
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Congrats Mr Berry and company, this could even be better than the “Amari Cooper Heist”. Elijah Moore knew very early the Jets QB situation was severely impacting his ability to garner any competent statistical numbers. A DCoordinator for a HC don’t help either. The guy was WIDE open so many times and their QB just flat out could not see the field. He is precisely what we were gonna shop for in the draft but we get an upgrade at 22 yrs old going into year 3 for a great price. Our TE’s Are now going to have a lot more room to run with a true speed threat from the slot. IMHO this has been a very impressive and savvy off season for our front office.
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