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Should see most of the cowboys stuff. Most REALLY wanted cooper back. He was easily one of the things that made Dak look good. Cooper is a 1.

But any case... here's tom grossi's take

If you are going to make fun of other people, try having your facts straight.

I respect Burns' opinions. On the other hand, this team needs someone who can win out of the slot. DPJ is not that type of WR. Maybe a guy like Bell or Felton will improve by leaps and bounds and win from the slot, but I wouldn't count on it.

Could be, or we could spread teams out and take advantage of lighter boxes with Chubb.

I think we'll see a lot of RPOs. I.e, have Chubb to Watson's right in gun, Moore in left slot. Fly sweep motion. Mesh with Chubb, if the flow followed Moore hand it off for outside zone to the left. If everybody stayed home, roll with Moore and threaten the right flat. Have the right outside receiver run a post. If safeties come up, hit the post over the top. If safeties stay over the top, take the easy scramble yards. If the flat defender comes up off of Moore, have Moore turn the flat into a wheel route into the space hopefully cleared by the post and toss it over.

Could also potentially add a screen to Chubb off of the same action, but switch the post to a fly and have the left outside receiver run a drag/slant.

I think David Bell will improve quite a bit from year 1 to year 2. I watched a video were they were showing Browns receivers and he was winning 80% of his man to man routes. I see him as a receiver that gets better and better. He just lacks what Elijah Moore has and that is speed.

WRs that you can interchange In any of the 3 spots in the 11 personal
Packages really stresses the defense. I think KS can scheme that
Without any difficulties
What's funny is why does it seem like Berry is late to the party
In adding the elements of gamebreaking speed to the offense
I think the Browns offense might take a page from the
Bengals and Bills offense in 2023. Cause the offense that was
Implemented in the last 2 years was lacking sizzle and big plays

Berry has been trying to add game breaking speed since he's gotten here. Unfortunately, it hasn't been able to stay on the field. Schwartz has had multiple concussions stunt his development and cause him to miss extended time. Jakeem Grant blew out an Achilles before seeing game action for us.

I hope you are correct. That would be huge for us.

Wow.

I think this is what we are doing too. I really hope this is true.

I think we will pass more because we finally have a qb that excels in the passing game. However, I think we will still run the ball. The Shanahan/Kubiak tree is known for being balanced. I do agree w/you guys in that we should face fewer stacked boxes now than we have in the past.

I would like to see us run more Pistol than the standard shotgun. Running the Pistol moves the RB into more favorable positions to run from and it does not telegraph the run/pass play call as the basic shotgun does. The key is to the Pistol is to have a qb who is mobile and intelligent enough to exploit attacking defenses.

He's small, 5'10 179lbs is real small to play in the NFL.

That was his College weight ... he is probably five pounds heavier.
The little dude is actually pretty muscled up ... And put up 17 reps of 225 at his pro day.

He will be the other shirtless guy on the sidelines not named David Njoku.

I think Moore gives Stefanski a lot of flexibility in where he lines guys up. Here are Burns comments regarding Cooper and DPJ in the slot and more on the topic.

HaHa. I just replied to you in the Goodwin thread and brought up Burns' earlier comments. I think Goodwin solves the problem of the slot. I'll be interested to read what Burns has to say about that move. I always like reading his takes. He knows the game.

Bolded to highlight that those are your hopes and prayers (things we specialize in every spring). I'd disagree completely. He's been JAG at NYJ. Browns are betting he's more than that with DW instead of Wilson throwing him the ball. Likely some. Enough to be our #2? Not if our WR room didn't suck.

I wasn't making fun of anyone. Just posting my opinions. We're still allowed to do that right Vers? And what facts did I have incorrect? The fact that he's a slot receiver? Which - fact: he played in college. And fact: is a position that seems more natural given his small stature. But sure, Jake Burns says otherwise (even though he explicitly said it's his opinion as well) so I guess I'm lying.

I remember this kid making me say, "Why don't we ever hit like that?" during his rookie year.

Of course you are allowed to state your opinions and I never said you were lying.


I'd say that this is making fun of others:


The following are not facts:


We got Moore and a 3rd rounder. That's a fact. Also, no way is he going to be our 4th WR.




Not a fact. Advanced stats have been posted on this board that verify he is a #1 WR.


Not a fact. Stefanski wants to win. His job is on the line. He isn't going to pass due to Watson's contract. That's simply absurd.


Look, I don't care if you don't like the trade. That's fine. But, don't act like those of us who do like the trade are stupid homers. That's all.

Tariq Woolen was a 5th round draft pick at #153.

What will all of this signing of Elijah Moore, and the tight end, and Mar@uise Goodson,
what will it all mean?
It won't mean anything, if the coaches don't get them ready to go

It won't mean anything if they are as ill prepared to win and uncoordinated as the team was in September of 2022.

The coaching, and the GM, and the "group" of coaches hasn't yet showed in at least two years of K S's time as HC that they were ready for either an opener or the month of September games.

Do you trust these coaches to get the offense ready? forget the defense for a minute,
Can the current coaches show that they can get an Offense ready to go for even the beginning month of the regular season.

If the coaches can't figure out what the rest of the NFL is doing, then signing better offensive players still won't lead to finishing better in the division race.

Elijah Moore, should be, a good signing, a great one actually.

Are the coaches going to give us an offense this year?

He also was a Pro Bowler.

For a brief second, I thought you meant he was a Pro Bowler....as in bowling.

No, no, no. You can't become a pro bowler based on a popularity contest held among the fans.

Yeah, a 5th round cb in Seattle won a popularity contest.

Let's ignore that Moore made a sweet move and focus on a manufactured negative.

What did Milk post to make you respond to him that way?

With no first or second round draft choices, we can already predict a boring draft and perhaps a C grade by all the pundits.

It’s normally not my cup of tea, but the season is not always determined by the draft.

I like the trade for Moore. The price was not too high, and we did not lose a pick.

Maybe a solid player will emerge, but the season will be determined by Watson and how the staff adjusts to his skill set, and his skills coming back.

Solid comments, especially about how the staff needs to adjust to Watsons talents.

The fans need to adjust as well. It's not going to be Chubb 25 times a game.

The Browns made the deal with the devil when they traded for Watson.

These are the consequences.

This is a big void of young talent that will forever be overpaid now in FA and none are good as hitting on Ward, Delpit, Garrett, Bitonio, Chubb, Newsome

I'd counter that, neither Denzel Ward nor Delpit are very good/ much over average, Garrett took a while, one year, Bitonio took 4 to five years to play at a top level, Chubb they hit on, and Newsome has been above average but in a small sample 2 years.
Moore and Amari Cooper together could wind up a good move.

I’ll take the “consequences” cuz it means we got a top-shelf QB.

The "consequences" that was previously made makes absolutely no sense. There were several of us [led by bonefish] that were talking of trading for Moore long before this trade was made. We basically stole Moore from the Jets. His salary is just above $1 million for the next two years. The Jets wanted that 2nd round pick to throw in the Rodgers trade and they then had to sign Hardman for around $6.5 million. The Jets are so desperate to land Rodgers that they let the Browns fleece them in this particular trade.

Analyzing the revamped wide receiver room after adding Elijah Moore, Marquise Goodwin

Cory Kinnan
March 26, 2023 12:26 pm ET

As the Cleveland Browns saw their passing offense finish in the bottom-quarter of the league, they made a concerted effort to get more explosive this offseason. By both trading for third-year wide receiver Elijah Moore and signing veteran speedster Marquise Goodwin, the Browns have taken a step forward in that department.

Now with a crowded wide receiver room, what is the outlook of the wide receiver position for the Browns in 2023 and beyond? We analyze here the depth of the position, the versatility, the roles that are filled, and what still might be needed at the wide receiver position in Cleveland.

Elijah Moore is not just a slot receiver

As Elijah Moore comes to Cleveland, there is the idea that he is going to be strictly a slot receiver, but that has never been the case in his career. In 2022 with the Jets, Moore’s reps were split 50/50 out wide and in the slot. Even in 2021, his rookie season, Moore played just 28 percent of his snaps from the slot.

With the route running savvy and ability to win off the line of scrimmage, Moore has the skillset to predominantly carve up defensive backs from Z looks more often than in the slot. And this gives the Browns a great deal of alignment versatility to play with.


With Moore and Goodwin now added to the roster (and especially Moore), the Browns now have the luxury of moving both Amari Cooper and Donovan Peoples-Jones around as well. As Cooper ages a bit, the Browns can move him into the slot and exploit mismatches with him inside.

Even on early downs and non-obvious passing situations, there is a ton of benefit to sticking Peoples-Jones in the slot as well. Their best blocking receiver, he could act as a faux-tight end as the Browns look to run predominantly 11 personnel and run out of the shotgun.

And just because Moore has the skillset of a Z, he does have a nice volume of snaps in the slot too. Last year’s third rounder could also play in the slot as well in four-wide sets and even in some three-wide packages offensively.

In two wide receiver sets the Browns could trot out their two most lethal in Cooper and Moore, or they could trot out Peoples-Jones and Cooper. In three wide receiver sets, the Browns could throw speed on the field with Moore and Goodwin with Cooper, or they could throw their three best with Cooper, Moore, and Peoples-Jones.

There are options galore for the Browns as they look to get more explosive offensively.


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I’m late to the party here, but Moore is a dynamic player. YAC and explosive plays are now expected in the passing game.