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I'd like to return to my series of posts on why I think there are so many mass murders and suicides in our nation. I have talked about the political, social, racial, economic, divide in our country. We are ranked at--or near the very--top of each category. I have talked about broken homes and parents who are not attentive enough to their children. I have talked about social isolation quite a bit. I have acknowledged that we need tougher gun laws. I have talked a lot about mental health issues. I have talked about how we need to identify these troubled youths earlier so that we can get them the help we need. I am going to revisit that very topic because my views were misrepresented by another poster. I'm not here to argue these points. I'm giving my takes on the situation and people can agree, disagree, or see some of them as valid and others as not. But, I don't want to get sidetracked w/questions that are intended to misrepresent my position.

With that said......I want to briefly touch on one more subject that we are all aware of. Cyberbullying. Make no mistake, cyberbullying is a global problem. Some countries do more to stop it by passing laws where it's a crime. Canada and Japan are two examples. You can go to jail in Canada if convicted of Cyberbullying. One of the biggest concerns is that it often goes unreported. The victims are often overwhelmed and feel trapped in a torture chamber they can't escape.


I will post a link that provides definitions, statistics, gender, effects on victims, legal issues in different countries, consequences for victims, etc. Guess where the United States ranked in Countries with the Highest Rates of Cyberbullying? We were second, trailing only India. Again, we ranked first or right near the top in political, social, racial, economic, and religious divide as well.

May I ask how this constant division and ugliness in our country is affecting the nation's youth?

Here is Cyberbullying link: https://www.cloudwards.net/cyberbullying-statistics/

They never stop. I did accept her decision. That was not a court of law. There is a huge difference. It's funny you those three posted while I was comprising a post on Cyberbullying.

I am not going to talk about the Watson thing in this thread again. Folks can believe either my version or not. I think most knows who misrepresents the opinions of others.

Yes - because factually recounting what you said is cyber bullying.

Sure, you don't. I don't smoke weed, either.

I know, we're the only ones who label people around here... I mean we weren't called pedos, libtards, commies, and every other damn thing coming down the pike the last five years. It never happened just like all of Trump's crimes and all of your GOPer actions.

I have no idea how asking questions concerning the parameters as to how these things should be implemented, who holds the power to implement them, as it pertains to the school verses the parent, or what your definition of what would be considered a mental illness that would prevent owning a firearm is misrepresenting anything you said. I'm pretty sure you don't either.

Nashville police officers speak about response to mass shooting: 'Training is what kicked in'

"All of us stepped over a victim," an officer said at a news conference.

The Metro Nashville Police Department officers who ended the mass shooting at a private Christian school in Tennessee that left six people dead cited their police training on how they responded to the scene.

Detective Sgt. Jeff Mathes, Detective Michael Collazo and officer Rex Engelbert started a press conference Tuesday by offering condolences to the families. They all described how it was luck that they were all in the area last week to respond to the call for an active shooter.

The officers thanked the community for the outpouring of support received following the March 27 shooting at The Covenant School that left three children and three adults dead.

According to Nashville police, after the shooter, identified by police as 28-year-old Audrey Hale, opened fire at the school, responding officers shot and killed the suspect about 14 minutes after the initial 911 call was received.

Commander Dayton Wheeler, who also responded to the shooting, described the day as something he would never forget, saying that his "stomach dropped" when he realized the emergency calls that he received about a shooting were at a school.

Detective Sgt. Mathes and three of the detectives from his unit were among the first to enter the school on the morning of the shooting.

Mathes was in his office when he received a call about an active shooter. He and his team raced out the door, donned their ballistic protection, grabbed his shotgun and went into the building.

He described how his training kicked in, recounting how he had to block out the sadness of stepping over a victim to neutralize the threat.

"All of us stepped over a victim. I, to this day, don't know how I did that morally, but training is what kicked in," Mathes said.

According to the Mathes, he entered the school with "purpose" because he knew how serious the situation was based on the number of calls about a shooting.

"We just heard the sounds and from my training experiences, I knew those sounds to be rifles," Mathes said.

Officer Engelbert said he had to go to the Metro Police Academy for business, which put him in the Midtown section of the city at the time of the shooting.

"I really had no business being where I was. I think you can call it fate or God or whatever you want, but I can't count on both my hands the irregularities that put me in that position when a call for service came out for a deadly aggression at a school," Engelbert said.

Detective Collazo, who works for Mathes, said he was completing administrative tasks when the call of the active shooter came in.

Upon arrival, Collazo encountered two employees of the school who led him toward where the shooter entered the building. He found custodian 62-year-old Mike Hill, one of the victims of the shooting, on the ground not moving.

Police released body camera footage from Collazo, a nine-year veteran, and Engelbert, a four-year veteran, on March 28, which showed them firing at the suspect.

Police have identified the slain children as 9-year-old students Evelyn Dieckhaus, William Kinney and Hallie Scruggs. In addition to Hill, the two other adult victims were 60-year-old head of school Katherine Koonce and 61-year-old substitute teacher Cynthia Peak.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nashville...ocsUaJdRu0UicQia2M1ZJBskEECuiUmIeLATl0r0

152 rounds fired by the shooter. That’s all I needed to hear. And 3 Tenn. democratic law makers face expulsion for joining a gun control protest. Pfffft Goper’s like violence over peaceful protests .

Was there some number that would have been ok with you?

15? 55? 151?

From what I have seen she went there to get cops to kill her. She was shooting at them out the upper window at the police below when she was shot.

Killing children and their teachers to get cops to kill her.? Well… Ok. Doesn’t make sense to me, sounds more like revenge/suicide. but I can’t argue something neither of us know for sure.

Suicide by cop is not a new thing, sometimes the cops don't oblige though. Killing children helps convince them that it more urgent to stop the attack. She also gets to be notorious. I agree we can't know for sure, just like I don't understand the suicidal mind. I'm trying to live forever.

Yep, it’s all conjecture until we know. My theory would be, she had a horrible experience at the school and her life become a living hell so she planned a horrific end.

She messaged a friend on social media that "she was going to die today and it would probably be in the news."

Probably was an understatement. And to answer Frank on the amount of shots fired. She had access to a lot more rounds then she fired. I mean how do you buy 100’s of rounds of AR 15 ammo without throwing out at least a yellow flag to slow down.

100s of rounds of ammo isn't that much to buy. I was at the range last week, with my bro and we put 80 rounds through my AR. And 50 through my shotgun trap shooting. It's normal to buy a lot to stock up. Buying 100s would not get you flagged.

I buy it by the case (500 rounds at a time for 5.56/.223, 1000 rounds at a time for 9mm). A good evening at the range can see 100-300 rounds fired, depending on what we are shooting and how we are feeling.

Buy it cheap, stack it deep.

I used to enjoy 12ga a lot more before RA. ugh.

Last time I fired the shotgun a couple weeks ago I did 8 and she did 2 and that was all it took. Ugh.

Mine is a 20ga. No way I can handle a 12.

I think buying over a 1000 rounds or so of AR -15 ammo should throw up a flag. But we’re murica. Shoot ‘em up cowboys.

How many rounds should one be able to buy without a red flag?

BREAKING: Trans male arrested for planning Colorado school shooting, had anti-Trump manifesto
https://thepostmillennial.com/trans...hooting-had-manifesto?utm_campaign=64483


Manifesto details former student’s plans to carry out multiple Colorado Springs school shootings
https://krdo.com/top-stories/2023/0...tiple-colorado-springs-school-shootings/

Trans, straight, gay, don't care... glad she was caught before she did anything... and thank God for the family member who notified authorities...

One of those schools is just down the road from me.

Not to be snarky, but I just said someone buying 1000 rounds or so of AR-15 ammo should throw up a flag.

OK so if they buy 999 you don't think that should flag but 1000 is bad?

Not sure what you’re getting at but someone amassing 223 or 5.56 ammo should be fairly easy to flag and track to see what’s going on, Wouldn’t you want to stop a mass shooter? After all if the buyer is legit. Then, no blood no foul. Carry on.

Many people who live out in rural areas, have their own home ranges and will buy in bulk to save money.

Then you have to determine is it bulk buy, or do you track if someone buys 100 rounds 10 days in a row?

And to add to it, I would often join in with some other guys to buy in bulk, and we'd all chip in and split the purchase, again to save money.

So I'm not sure that a quantity of ammo purchase is a tell tale sign, I'd be more inclined to say that those looking to do harm probably did not buy in bulk, most don't expect to get 1000 rounds off in a shootout.

Tracking ammo sales is not going to stop mass shooters. If someone buys it 100 rounds a day they can get to 1000 in 10 days. This is the old "if you have nothing to hide" thing.

CA requires a background check on ammo. Has that stopped mass shooters?

Ho-hum. No big deal. On the other hand, imagine the outrage had it been a white male who supported Trump.

How do you know it hasn’t stopped some in Cali?

Because the left leaning media would be yelling it from the rooftops.

For decades MD required a spent casing for all handgun sales, cause ya know to solve crimes. The finally scraped the program after 10s of millions of dollars spent and 0 crimes solved.

Things like this work great on TV, in real life not so much.

I guess it must fly over your head that what people wish to do is stop mass school shootings. It seems it's more important to you and some others who it is committing the shootings.

I think you addressed your response to the wrong poster. In the past I've purchased multiple cases of ammo at the same time. Many people target shoot and purchase larger amounts of ammo. At the time I was making such purchases you could sometimes find great deals on ammo and most of us knew the price was only going to go up. I don't believe there's any direct correlation between buying ammo in bulk and mass shootings. I think this would only provide to make legal purchases of ammo a situation where people are targeted who are doing nothing wrong.

Twice in one day? Crazy.

Not really. Maybe for you.

So you agree with me more than I agree with you.

No, you just have no idea of my beliefs on most political topics or any other issues for that matter. All you know about are the most controversial issues about specific parts of any topic that are brought up on this board. But nice try.

Officials credit vigilant Ohio high school student for preventing potential shooting

Police say the student reported a bullet found in a bathroom.

Local officials in Ohio are commending the quick thinking of a high school student who they say potentially averted a school shooting.

After the 17-year-old student alerted a school resource officer on Monday morning about a bullet found in one of the school's bathrooms, police were able to locate and arrest a student who had brought a 9mm handgun and three fully-loaded magazines into the school, school officials said.

"The fact that we were able to do so rests in large part on the actions of a student who did what he knew was right; he reported a suspicious finding to his school resource officer," West Geauga Local Schools Superintendent Richard Markwardt said at a press conference on Wednesday.

Police charged 18-year-old Brandon Morrissette with attempted aggravated murder, inducing panic and illegal possession of a deadly weapon in a school, according to court records obtained by ABC affiliate WEWS in Cleveland.

Geauga County Prosecutor Jim Flaiz said that Morrissette will be taken into custody and arraigned once he clears medical and psychological evaluations at a mental health facility, which could be as early as Friday.

It's not immediately known if Morrissette has an attorney.

Chester Township Police Chief Craig Young said that once authorities learned about the bullet, they sorted through nearly two dozen individuals captured on video entering the school's bathroom, eventually narrowing it down to Morrissette who was arrested Monday morning.

Flaiz also credited the school's resource officer for the successful response.

"This was handled, in my opinion, absolutely correctly and properly from beginning to end," he said.

The school went into lockdown while the investigation took place, and students were later dismissed for the entire day due to an associated threat on social media, according to Markwardt. Officials defended the delay in waiting until the school's third period to issue a lockdown, despite finding the bullet during the first period, calling any earlier lockdown based on the information available at the time "premature."

"I am deeply grateful for the fact that no students and staff were injured or killed in this recent incident," Markwardt said at the press conference.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/officials...Zg0eSNQcyZqx2Vhn6Nv0pa7cJvsiA5Pq5thwu9jE

Yes, it was supposed to be in reply to Perfect's post just above mine. Apologies.

Well, and that you try to argue every stinking thing. Don't forget that tidbit.