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Multiple casualties reported in shooting in Louisville, Kentucky
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/active-shooter-louisville/?id=98470141

Louisville shooting live updates: 5 dead, 6 injured including officer

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Latest Developments
Apr 10, 10:19 AM

Suspected shooter neutralized
Louisville police tweeted that the "suspected shooter has been neutralized," adding, "There is no longer an active aggressor threat."

Apr 10, 10:05 AM

Residents urged to avoid area
Louisville Mayor Craig Greenberg tweeted that residents should avoid the area around Slugger Field until further notice.

Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said he is heading to the scene.

"Please pray for all of the families impacted and for the city of Louisville," he tweeted.

FBI and ATF agents are assisting with the incident.

Ky. Gov. Andy Beshear in a statement said he lost 2 of his friends in the shooting. On the surface it appears it's more likely a case of a disgruntled employee. But as was stated the motive is unknown.

Kentucky Gov. Beshear: ‘I Have a Very Close Friend Who Didn't Make it Today'

Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear says he lost two friends in the shooting at a bank in Louisville, Kentucky.

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/natio...-friend-who-didnt-make-it-today/3011405/

Why isnt this a priority. Why isnt there a bi partisan task force coming up with ideas to tackle this problem.
Why isnt that question being asked by everyone to every politician repeatedly. They all rallied around taylor swift tickets but not this. Dear congress person...If you are not part of the solution ..... You are part of the problem.

From the GOP on capital hill….selling guns and ammo is our priority. Nothing can possibly stop this anyways. Nothing! So don’t even think about it.

23-year-old, Connor Sturgeon in Louisville lost his marbles after he found out he was going to be fired.

He show everyone by shooting up his workplace live on Instagram.

Innocent people are getting gunned down all over the country and the questions you ask are being asked.... But they are not being answered.

I have another question:

Why not just put the issue of gun control on the Ballot nationwide in Nov 2024? Enhanced mandatory Background checks included. Outlaw assault type weapons and bump stocks.....etc.


Hey, while we are at it, why not put Roe v Wade on the ballot as well?

This is our country. Politicians and Judges are nothing more than out employees when you come right down for it. So why should they tell us whats good for us?

Also, I read the other day that something like +90% of mass shootings is either gang-related or domestic violence.

no one speaks of this.

Oh some of us do. But inner city gang kids killing inner city gang kids over drugs isn't the kind of thing that brings in the antigun dollars to Bloomberg and Giffords, et al.

https://www.11alive.com/article/new.../85-341b4f7b-a270-4be9-a1fb-7bf91746b26f

Its not even always inner city shootings. This mass shooting happened in my suburb recently and not a peep on the national news. Hell will freeze over before the news covers gang shootings.

So you guys are saying that because inner city shootings are inadequately addressed that we should ignore all mass shootings?
That is what I am hearing, are you trying to say something different?

Maybe we can address the issue as a whole? Find a solution, like say getting rid of guns, that would take care of all mass shootings.

Of course that is not what we are saying.



No.

Yes. I said...

+90% of "mass shootings" are either gang-related or are domestic violence.

75-90% are probably right-wingers and or mentally ill.

Right off the top of my head, I don't believe that stat. But before I Condemn those numbers, Can you point us to any proof of this?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

This is a reasonable place to look at stats. They are left leaning and have an antigun bias, but they aren't cooking the books like Everytown and Giffords do.

I would like to ask you how would taking measures to help reduce mass shootings that are national news not help address mass shootings that are not national news?

It seems you and a few others are more focused on who and where most mass shootings happen rather than actually addressing what we can do to reduce mass shootings as a whole.

Why do you think where and who is involved in mass shootings is something that changes the topic concerning cutting down on mass shootings?

I'm not sure, but I think the mass shootings that involve innocent children and places we all go like to the bank, Walmart, the grocery store and public places in general get more coverage because the impact of such shootings are far more relative to most of our society. I mean let's use the example of inner cities. How many people do you know, other than maybe police officers and drug addicts looking for a fix, that frequent high crime areas of inner cities? I don't know of any. And truthfully yet sadly, I don't know many people who care about them.

People tend to care and pay attention to things that do or may directly impact their life the most.

4 shot, 1 killed in targeted shooting at NE DC funeral for homicide victim, police say
https://turnto10.com/news/nation-wo...iles-firearms-president-biden-washington

j/c

This is something I certainly never anticipated and didn't see coming but I applaud governor Lee for his support on these matters.....

Tennessee governor calls for lawmakers to pass red flag law

Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, a Republican, said he will also sign an executive order strengthening gun background checks.

In the wake of a mass shooting in Nashville, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee on Tuesday said he will sign an executive order strengthening background checks for gun purchases. The Republican also called for lawmakers to pass a red flag law that would temporarily remove guns from dangerous people.

“I’m asking the General Assembly to bring forward an order of protection law,” Lee told reporters, according to the Tennessean. “A new strong order of protection law will provide the broader population cover, safety, from those who are a danger to themselves or the population.”

“This is our moment to lead and to give the people of Tennessee what they deserve,” Lee said.

Lee said the executive order would set a 72-hour period for reporting new criminal activity and require that the courts submit timely information directly to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. It also would require that agency to examine the current process for purchasing firearms.

The governor made the announcement amidst political turmoil in the state legislature over a GOP-led ouster of two Democrats for leading a gun reform protest inside the statehouse this month. The Nashville city council, a body that has sparred with Republicans in the legislature, reappointed one of the lawmakers, Rep. Justin Jones, to his seat on Monday. The second member, Rep. Justin Pearson, is expected to be reinstated this week as well.

While some GOP states such as Florida and Indiana have passed red flag laws in recent years, such legislation faces long odds in Tennessee, a deep red state with many Republican leaders strongly opposed to any effort that could be construed as limiting gun rights.

Still, Lee speculated that those attitudes may change in the aftermath of a local school shooting that left six people dead.

“I think everyone — leadership from speakers as well as other leaders — have expressed a desire to do something and move forward,” Lee said at the police precinct that responded to the Covenant School shooting, according to News Channel 5.

“I have challenged them to bring forward ideas and subsequently met with those leaders. I do believe we should get it done during this session.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...fjkcmdCs4HfJgcz9CS0hYWZqhYGHZGnX3bGQJcOw

To put forth a viable solution one first needs to understand the problem. Too many people try to conflate "school shootings" with "mass shootings" and rarely do people realize that most mass shootings use a handgun, not an EBR. This, itself, has been a topic here and we have to keep revisiting it. The media and antigun groups want you to only see dead white children as the face of mass shootings because they sell donations. The reality is not what keeps being sold.


If you don't know what the scope of the problem is how do you solve it? Where and who is mostly certainly part of understanding the problem.



Mass shootings in the inner cities also include children, but they don't usually involve the right children. I am sure in the killings that don't get a lot of media play the victims would be comforted to know that they don't matter as much.

I don't travel to high crime areas in Baltimore, but we see the issues anyway. We had a shooting (not a mass shooting by definition) behind out house in a shopping center. Two shot, one dead and it was just over the dividing wall.

I think much of the discussion we've had to date has been the difference in what each of our definitions of what "anti gun" means.

I'm also a little surprised by this part of your post....


Is it then your contention that most people don't understand the scope of the problem? That they don't understand about gangs, crime and shootings in our inner cities? Because I believe they're aware of all of that.

Then there's this....


Most everything that's concentrated on children are children being killed by guns in school shootings. It's certainly relative to every American when it's not safe to send your child to school. So do you think they only cover schools where white children go to school and downplay school shootings in minority neighborhoods?

Good for him.... that law makes sense to me...

I don't tend to like the use of comedy in these discussions, but this is kinda funny, and honestly, just might actually work


Michael Che Just Solved Gun Violence With One Instagram Post

Matt Wilstein
Tue, April 11, 2023 at 4:45 PM EDT·1 min read


Comedian Michael Che has a history of deleting his social media posts. But he might want to keep his latest one up.

On Tuesday, the co-anchor of Saturday Night Live’s “Weekend Update” posted a message on Instagram that read, “ya kno... a lot of people are not drinking bud light, cause the company used a trans person in their ad.. and these mostly right wing bud light customers have tossed all their bud lights in the trash in a blind rage.. and it got me ta’thinkin.. just hear me out..”

On the next slide, Che concluded the thought with, “what if we got trans people.. hear me out.. to do ads for guns..?”

Over the past couple of days, after Bud Light partnered with trans TikTok star Dylan Mulvaney for an online promotion, conservatives have been publicly denouncing the beer company—and in the case of Kid Rock, firing a high-powered rifle at some cans on video. Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) made a critical error when he tried to #boycottbudlight but ended up posting a video of his refrigerator that contained a beer also made by Bud Light’s parent company, Anheuser-Busch.

Che’s post, meanwhile, received enthusiastic praise from celebrities like comedian Patton Oswalt and The Roots bandleader Questlove, as well as trans pop star Kim Petras.

“Did you just end gun crimes?” one follower wrote in response. “I think so.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/michael-che-just-solved-gun-204502580.html

When people quote time and again that AR15s are used in the overwhelming majority of mass shootings I think that speaks volumes. Most people watch the news and only care about what they are told to care about.


And yet it isn't schools where most mass shootings happen. It does anger me when people go into schools and kill children, but I also get angry when innocent people are killed (by axe, knife, bat, hand or gun etc). Again, dead children are used to sell the donations to the antigun organizations. To say it is not safe to send children to school is part of the over all problem, it isn't exactly true. Again, we can't solve the problem when we look at the wrong problem.

The problem isn't guns. It's people. We need to do something about the MAGA GOPers and the Mentally Ill.

Because it's all the Maga GOPers who are shooting people up?

Pretty sure the latest shootings weren't Maga GOPers..


should have stuck with we need to do something with the mentally ill... period... regardless of political leanings...

Nobody in congress is doing anything.... that's the problem. Nothing , no committee, no inquiries , no questioning. Nothing it's sickening.

Well the trans shooter was probably MAGA until they turned on him... idk, Jay, I just like putting everything bad on the source of all evil.

It's good to know every single point you make comes from a place of blind, illogical hate.

FIFY

Not that I actually disagree with you but I think if you isolated that to school shootings they would be correct. When I watch my local news I see all shootings and murders covered, not just school shootings.


The "axe, knife, bat, hand or gun" things doesn't really hold water when you compare all murders in general but I think you know that. There is only one of those weapons that account for the vast majority of murders. I'm sure we both know that there's noting anyone can do to stop all murders. The only thing we can do is cut down on the number of corpses.

Children are the most innocent victims of murder. School is the place people send their children to for 13 years and depend on those schools to keep them safe. Then there's the mass shootings in stores, and places people go to every day. The grocery store, Walmart, the bank. Those are pretty well covered too.

I'm still surprised you brought up the racial component into that. Minorities go to school, Walmart, the bank and to Church as well.

Uvalde, Texas whree 21 people were gunned down isn't a predominately white area. Neither is Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas where 23 people were killed. Neither were most of the victims in either case. And while the Pulse Nightclub where 49 people were killed and 53 were wounded had mostly white victims, I'm pretty sure the gay community is considered a minority. The Charleston Church shooting where nine were killed were all black victims. I will say it does seem a lot of such shootings happen in predominately white neighborhoods involving white shooters. But then that isn't the fault of the media.

I think school shootings and seeing our nation's children being slaughtered in their schools is something we should all concentrate on. Mass shootings in public places everyone goes to also deserves such attention. And they get that attention. I think those who don't like to see that type of coverage become angered because it does bring so much attention to what's going on. I guess the media could ignore the problem so maybe anti gun groups wouldn't get so many donations? Or maybe the real problem is that people see that even when this happens over and over and over again, the hard line pro gun people suggest we do nothing but add even more guns in these places where gun violence is already rampant. Often times by every day teachers who are ill trained and ill equipped to handle such situations.

I think there's enough blame to go around here.

AR-15's are the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

To paraphrase, 4 out of 5 mass shooters prefer the AR-15.

They are very efficient at killing a lot of people very quickly. Time is the critical issue.

Handguns are used more in mass shootings.

AR-15's are more popular when the body count is higher.

As I've often said, the body count matters. I pointed out only three such shootings in my previous post. In those three shootings, 21 people were killed, 23 people were killed and 49 people were killed. And then there was the Las Vegas shooting of a concert where 59 people were killed. So it is quite true that handguns are more often used in mass shootings. Where the issue gets more complicated for them is when we compare the body count in such shootings.

Nothing will stop mass shootings. I think everyone understands that. But cutting back on the body count matters.

I think we have different interpretations of what qualifies as a mass shooting.
I think some include any shooting with multiple people shot and others only with a high body count.
Both, in my mind, are acceptable but I think it creates confusion when trying to discuss

My first thought was the problem needs to be understood. That means real data, not data that is manipulated to tell a narrative and it means agreeing to nomenclature. It's obvious that people would rather look at narrative instead of actual data.