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In the end, I think this will all blow over and the people that drank it, will continue to drink it, and they may pick up a few from the people they were targeting.

As I said in a previous post, I don't know many people that make their beer choice strictly based on an ad.

You do understand that if everyone in our society suffered consequences because "people don't like it" everyone could end up as such a target, correct? So it's why don't people like it? What harm does it cause them? What is it about advertising to all people instead of certain people that seems to outrage them so much? I mean if you choose to ignore all of that there's nothing saying you can't. But trying to break it down by overlooking all of that doesn't answer what the actual root cause of it is.

He's not just in ads. He's on late night shows. He's on game shows. He's been to the white house to have an interview with Biden. He's a joke and the left keeps promoting this idiot without even acknowledging that this is an insult to women.

So then is it your contention that the right began and perpetrated all of this because it was "an insult to women"? Because that certainly isn't what they were saying right up until Megyn Kelly brought that up just like Florida said.

I can only speak for myself on that.

Okay thanks.

dA rItE bRoUgHt iT 2 dA foUrFrOnT !!

This issue has been lingering longer than this year or Dylan. If this issue is new to people or you haven't seen the growing impact of this movement (whether you agree with it's impact or not) you are living under a rock.

Yeah, dont even get me started about "birthing people".

I think the issue is this person at this time involving a particular product and the motivation as to why. I'm not sure what "impact" you think this "movement" has. But yes, it's an issue that more and more political pressure is being applied to undermine.

Just an observation as I don't drink that swill because it's terrible -- and that would be the only thing that ever affected my purchase. It's a bit of a dichotomy to say "never would have been exposed to"... I've seen this chick's mug on the screen 100 times already, I'm not seeking out a "message" so I can be offended by it.

Even the response from Bud includes the fact that this is part of their "onward and upward" campaign. To some (me), at it's core, that seems to imply that they are doing something noble for the good of mankind. A common launching point with a lot of companies that many (me) can see right through.

So, one one hand, there's no avoiding it. Which leads to my observation that I'm sure at least some can agree with... It's not a Bud Light commercial for most people who aren't singing kumbaya; it's the cumulative affect of the non-stop barrage of the flavor du jour. Recently that flavor is "inclusivity". After a while people tire of it being in their face 24/7, especially since it seems to be an 'all or nothing' proposition. Either grab a torch and join the parade or be silent and do nothing... expressing any opinion between those lines seems to be greated by an attitude that you are simply a terrible person that somehow can't see can't see the forest through the trees.

Just my two cents.

Dylan is an actor. Or shall I say a failed actor. I'm guessing he is gay. I'm also guessing he has a histrionic personality disorder and desperately needs to be noticed. He may also have other mental health issues aligned with his trans endeavors.

When acting failed and the trans movement started to be promoted in MSM more, this was an avenue in which to satisfy his appetite to be noticed and he was willing to be in the forefront of it all. Like with any fame or the national spotlight on you, there are unintended/unknown consequences that you don't realize at the time. I'm guessing if there are prior mental health issues, he is struggling with the consequences of his exploitation by other people/entities as well as the massive criticism.

Yes, people on the right clearly do not like this, but neither do a lot of women regardless of party affiliation. Has anyone seen his videos and how patronizing they are towards women? The stereotypes are terrible. I'd pass it off as comedy but I know it's not intended to be that. The trans community, in large part, has supported him and this ridiculous show, probably because they thought it might help their cause long-term. I don't think it has.

Sooooooooooooooooo... about "birthing people"

I wish they had used KJ.

Maybe they do. I don't know. Fact of the matter is, the ad campaign didn't go as they'd hoped.

I think the intent was to appeal to a younger audience. KJ doesn't fit that. Dylan and his tiktok videos did.

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding was that this was just a social media campaign, it was not going to be aired on TV ads and such.
If your not a follower on Tik Tok, instagram or whatever, chances of most people seeing it outside of LBGTQ groups was slim.
The only reason we have all seen his face 100 times already is because it blew up into a media circus.

I fully get eve's point, and agree, his ads are an insult to real women. But that is not the battle narrative the media has chosen to highlight.

I've never heard of the guy. however, when you advertise, you expect the ads to be seen. They were seen. If the company was expecting nothing but glowing reviews, apparently they missed.

But still the reaction would be a lot different.

General observation:

This has been a fun conversation to lurk, because I have no opinion about this subject one way or another. For me, this newest flashpoint is just a part of the background noise of modern everyday life... most of which, I tend to ignore. 'Cause I'm old (I've earned my apathy, thankyouverymuch).

There is a TON of stuff that makes headlines, swirls around the internet, and gets tongues a-waggin that I just don't have time for. People of all stripes are now on my TV, and for some reason, it just doesn't really bother me. It's true: the consumer media landscape looks very different from the one I grew up with, but I don't see the change as something bad. I just see it as I always have: from an observer's perspective. Everything changes, because that's just how Life works. 'Trans' is now a fact of life that didn't really exist when I was 20 years old. But it does now, along with so many other new things. And that fact allows me these choices:

1. acknowledge 'Trans' as feature of 21st c. life, along with the internet, electric cars, increased inter-ethnic relationships, mass school shootings, a shrinking polar ice cap/shrinking hole in the ozone layer... and Cardi B (in other words- everything else).
2. pick and choose which new things I want to rail against that make me angry or uncomfortable.
3. choose to ignore that which is unimportant, superficial and time-wasting.

#3 is usually my daily go-to.

My Wife and I watch a network TV show which has an actor whose chosen pronoun is "they." So what? The show is entertaining to watch, and the actor's orientation isn't actually a feature of the character 'they' portray. I watch the show, follow the weekly story line, and ignore the eye makeup and lipstick. The fact that I'm not bothered by the actor's personal identity doesn't automatically make me 'their' ally, advocate or attorney, either. I just like the show, and 'they' play 'their' role as well as any other cast member.

I'm beginning to believe that these so-called 'culture wars' issues are nothing more than the same tension we've always seen: folks who are OK/neutral about change engaging in conversation with folks who are resistant to change. The only difference between the old days and now: the tribal entrenchment is now on steroids, due to social media algorithms.

The topics du jour may be new, but the fight is as old as time.


nothing new to see here.

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I suppose Black Face is next.

Lol

And that's the thing Clem. I don't choose the music I like based on the artists politics. I don't go see movies based on the star actors politics. I don't choose the TV shows I watch based on politics. Maybe I'm just not extreme enough to style my life around everyone's politics. Hell, I don't even base who I'm friends with based on their politics. It's certainly been a process to get to the point where I am today. But one thing I can tell you is I'm a much happier person for it.

j/c

And here you go conservatives who abhor brands that advertise to everyone. Here's a statement you can make that strictly caters to you. The new beer that hates woke! Ultra Right.



I strongly considered posting this in the political jokes thread but this guy is serious.

While I think there is a good amount of common sense to your post - I want to clarify something. For the folks that are LGBQT - including the Trans population no matter how big or smaller or growing or otherwise - the hostility they are subjected to and the resistance to accept them by many/most within society *might* have some similarities to how other minorities have suffered through bias and hatred. Are you ambivalent to their struggles or just ambivalent to the noise like this one story has created? I think there is obviously a major difference.

While generally I think the LGBQT community gets too much noise and attention, because I think we should be accepting and not treat them as special but rather treat them the same as everyone else .... I would fight for them and their right to be treated and accepted as every other member of society should be. I'd call out bigotry and hatred that they are subjected to just like I would any other minority or group that is persecuted.

Your comments resemble my feelings. My wife and I are in our 60's. Many things such as LGBTQ rights, abortion and many other issues have zero direct impact on our lives. But we grew up during times where we have seen minority groups have to struggle to be treated the same as everyone else. And even then some of those struggles are ongoing. We have seen them targeted such as Muslims, the Asian community, Blacks, Latinos and the list goes on. I don't even feel the need to agree with everyone and everything they say to stand for in order to stand up for that right. Just the right to be treated fairly and equally.

A prime example is that I stand for the rights of groups such as the KKK and white supremacists to speak freely and get permits to speak in public just as I do for drag queen performers to have the same right to be allowed permits to perform in public.

I'm ambivalent to the noise. And I'm on record at this message board as supporting LGBTQ rights to equal treatment under the law. A few years back, I explained to 40cent that my support of their rights was because someone stood up for mine. I remember telling him "until we are all free, NONE of us are free."

Glad you asked. Hope this gives a bit more clarity.

I honestly would have assumed that to be the case but thought it was a worthwhile point to differentiate.

You were right to ask. I was less than thorough when I made my post, which left room for ambiguity.
It was late, and I was tired and lazy when I wrote it.

Pops was right, all those years ago: "Do the job right the first time. If you take shortcuts, you'll just double your work every time... "

Bud Light's under-fire marketing VP 'takes LEAVE OF ABSENCE' after Dylan Mulvaney controversy - and 'is replaced by Budweiser executive'

- Alissa Heinerscheid, the vice president of marketing for Bud Light, has taken a leave of absence, AdAge reported on Friday
- Heinerscheid was brought in in June 2022 with a self-declared mission of making the beer less 'fratty', and on April 1 the beer partnered with a trans influencer
- The Dylan Mulvaney partnership wiped $6 billion off the value of the company: Heinerscheid has been replaced by Budweiser global marketing VP Todd Allen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-ABSENCE-Dylan-Mulvaney-controversy.html

And they've decided to once again target the Murica crowd...

As a private corporation - I think it's important to have an internal company policy and culture that is inclusive and non-discriminatory. For marketing purposes I think it'd be vital to know what and how your messaging is going to be received by existing and potentially new customer base. While I applaud the courage to try to do something different and inclusive by embracing the LGBQT in their advertising - I also think it was a bad marketing decision that was always going to alienate existing customer base while having a marginal impact on a potential new customer base. Maybe it's my bias - but I just don't see any light beer as the drink of choice for the LGBQT community at large. I am sure there are many that would and do drink light beers ... just don't see the needle moving much with this advertising. No surprise Alissa is on a leave of absence.

j/c

Anti-Woke Beer Created After Bud Light Controversy Loses Brewery Deal

The anti-woke "Ultra Right" beer that was created following the controversy surrounding Bud Light and its decision to partner with transgender influencer and activist Dylan Mulvaney has lost its production deal with an Illinois-based brewery.

Nick Bowes, the president of Bent River Brewing Company, told Newsweek on Friday that they were referred as a potential contract brewer for the "Ultra Right" beer created by conservative Seth Weathers.

"Once we saw the marketing for it, we declined to produce it," Bowes said.

Earlier this month, Weathers, who previously served as the director of former President Donald Trump's 2016 Georgia campaign, announced that he created the "Ultra Right" beer in response to Bud Light's decision to partner with Mulvaney. Mulvaney posted several videos on Instagram promoting her partnership with the beer brand, including one where she showcased a customized Bud Light can with her face on it. Mulvaney, attracting millions of followers on TikTok, also had a popular video series on the social media platform where she detailed her transition over the past 365 days.

The partnership sparked widespread criticism and calls to boycott Bud Light and its parent company, Anheuser-Busch. Popular musician Kid Rock even posted a video to social media where he is seen shooting several cans of Bud Light with a gun.

The row over transgender brand ambassadors is symbolic of a wider debate about the inclusion of transgender women in female issues and spaces. Some say transgender women should be treated the same as other women, while others say they are different and that hard-won women's rights must be protected.

Weathers announced the "Ultra Right" beer in an advertisement video where he begins by saying, "America's been drinking beer from a company that doesn't even know which restroom to use."

"That's why I created conservative dad's Ultra Right 100% woke free beer. As conservatives, we're constantly getting hit in the face, left and right, by the woke mind virus, but the last place we want it, is in our beer," Weathers said in the video. "If you know which bathroom to use, you know what beer you should be drinking. Stop giving money to woke corporations that hate our values."

The "Ultra Right" beer's website still states that it's being brewed and canned in Northern Illinois despite the recent announcement from the Bent River Brewing Company. In a tweet on Thursday evening, Weathers responded to a report from The Daily Beast about the brewing company declining to produce his beer by saying, "lol this will age poorly."

In an email sent to Newsweek on Friday, Weathers said, "LOL. The left us [sic] so desperate for us to fail. We're releasing a video on Monday at the brewery announcing our local owned brew partner. Sorry to disappoint the haters!"

Weathers also sells products targeted at a conservative clientele—including "Let's go Brandon" merchandise, a political slogan and internet meme used to generally insult President Joe Biden.

Amid the ongoing controversy about Mulvaney, Anheuser-Busch CEO Brendan Whitworth issued a statement saying that the company "never intended to be part of a discussion that divides people."

"My time serving this country taught me the importance of accountability and the values upon which America was founded: freedom, hard work and respect for one another. As CEO of Anheuser-Busch, I am focused on building and protecting our remarkable history and heritage," the statement said.

https://www.newsweek.com/anti-woke-...uHC1tyU2f69XiPRLvUFkFZF0FeVfWWiIzk291rTc

That explains everything! "getting hit in the face, left and right, by the woke mind virus, but the last place we want it, is in our beer," Weathers said in the video.

I had no idea that Budweiser was injecting Bud Light with the woke mind virus. That should be illegal!

Eve, this subject, biological males competing in sports against biological females appears to be the “United Nations “ of subjects, bringing people of differing backgrounds and philosophies into agreement that men compete against men and women compete against women. I would guess 80-90% of Americans agree. Strange that some politicians are pushing to allow men to cross over and compete against women. I am guessing that none of their daughters or granddaughters are standing at the starting line.

Of course this problem was totally predictable and inevitable. From the moment the word trans woman became a “thing” we were on a slippery slope taking us where most Americans have no desire to go. It took us to a hulking male crushing a group of females in the swimming pool who had worked for years to win the medal. It took us to an 18 year old male going into the school’s girls locker room, stripping down and getting into the shower with four freshman girls, 14 yoa. It took us to healthy young girls having bilateral mastectomies and healthy young boys being chemically castrated, all because they may have some confusion about who they are. It took us to the place where educators wanted to talk to young children about the fact that they may not be the sex they think they are. That is 6-7 year old kids. It took us to where some looney mom wants to raise her child genderless. All of this because we accepted the term trans woman. It is much easier to use the word we have used for centuries….. male. Because that is what they are.

We need to stop with the silliness. There are 18 genders. Right!! A person can be “gender fluid”. Right!! Gender is a “social construct”. Right!!! Put a guy in a skirt, heels and a tissue filled bra and he is still a guy.

j/c:

This thread should be about Women's Rights and how transgendered athletes are hurting women in sports. Yet, the Left wants to talk about what beer people want to buy or shun.

I wonder how many naturally born female who identify as males are invading men's sports?

I wonder why people aren't concerned that a naturally born female was attacked for championing women's rights by a mob of men who identify as women? I wonder if they think punching a real women is okay? Why no outrage? But beer choices? Yeah buoy........that's a big deal!

I wonder why people are not talking about how Biden and the Left are leasing assault on Title IX and once again putting women in a subservient role?

I wonder why a question was asked about how Transgendered people are being discriminated against when another poster gave his opinion on the beer ad? I wonder why that same poster is ignoring that it's naturally born women who are being discriminated against in this particular issue?

Pffft.........the Left is alienating more and more Americans w/their hateful practices.

Ah, the things that make you winder.....

ESPN hosts break with liberals on trans women in sports, Disney-owned network ‘chooses to remain woke’

'Women with influential platforms are beginning to speak out,' Riley Gaines told Fox News Digital
Brian FloodBy Brian Flood | Fox News


ESPN talent breaks with network on transgender athletes

OutKick host Charly Arnolt discusses her decision to leave ESPN as top female hosts on the network speak out on the need to protect women athletes.

In recent years, ESPN has become synonymous with liberal talking points as the Disney-owned network regularly pushes left-leaning ideology when it ventures into politics. That’s why it was so shocking when two of its biggest stars criticized the Biden administration’s plan to block states from banning transgender students from competing against the gender they identify as.

ESPN personalities Samantha Ponder and Sage Steele, two of the network’s most prominent women, expressed support for Riley Gaines, a former decorated NCAA swimmer at Kentucky who has been an outspoken critic of biological men being allowed to compete against biological women.

"Women with influential platforms are beginning to speak out to the injustice of men competing against women. These women in particular have a lot to lose by using their voice, yet chose to anyways. That is what courage is. I'm so honored to be able to lean on them as we continue forward with advocating for sex-protected sporting categories," Gaines told Fox News Digital.


Steele declared that she stands with Gaines and called what has occurred with trans people overtaking women’s sports "ridiculous," "heartbreaking," "difficult to watch" and added the hashtag "savewomensports."



Ponder, a focal point of ESPN’s NFL coverage, tweeted that the Biden administration’s plan to change Title IX would "take away so many opportunities for biological women and girls" in sports across the nation.

"It is a shame that we are needing to fight for the integrity of Title IX in 2023 and the reason it was needed in the first place," Ponder wrote.


Adriana McLamb, a spokeswoman for the Independent Women’s Forum and former Division 1 volleyball player, believes Gaines and other like-minded female athletes are on the right side of history in the debate over trans athletes.

"It is promising to see big names like Sage Steele and Sam Ponder speak out even though their employer ESPN chooses to remain woke," McLamb told Fox News Digital.

"Now more than ever, it is important for us as female athletes to rally behind Riley Gaines and fight for Title IX," McLamb continued. "We are fighting for all current and future female athletes to compete on a fair playing field just like our predecessors fought for our right to compete to begin with."


Ex-ESPN personality Charly Arnolt, who joined OutKick earlier this month, believes she was "a little bit stifled" at her former company. She left to have the freedom to express herself about important issues such as the trans debate.

"I have to commend these two women for standing up for these women who, unfortunately, are losing so much of the success that they worked so hard for," Arnolt said Thursday on "America’s Newsroom."



"As far as ESPN, I don’t really know what their plan is, as far as whether they talk to these women or address it on-air," Arnolt continued. "I would hope that this would be something they would address, but up to this point they remain completely mum on this topic, so I’m not sure exactly what happens."

ESPN did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Ponder and Steele supporting Gaines.

The ESPN anchors spoke out this week when Gaines tweeted criticism of a video made by transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, who donned a shirt that said, "trans athletes belong in sports," and insisted "trans kids" will continue "losing opportunities" unless the Biden administration forces change.

"Under the guise of competitive fairness? Are you really trying to say you would have won a national title against the men? Does it not break your heart to see women lose out on these opportunities? The Biden Admins proposed bill denies science, truth, and common sense," Gaines wrote to accompany Thomas’ video.

ESPN SILENT FOLLOWING 'SICK AND EVIL' COMMENT COMPARING US VOTING RIGHTS ISSUES TO CHINA HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES


"This take is selfish and shows an utter disregard for women," Gaines continued. "The Biden Administration is actively and aggressively working to pass laws that erase decent and fair treatment for women in sports."

Ponder and Steele first expressed their support by responding to Gaines’ tweet.











Gaines, now a spokeswoman for the Independent Women’s Forum, famously tied Thomas for fifth place in the 200 Freestyle finals at the NCAA Swimming and Diving Championships last year. Thomas’ situation sparked a national debate over whether transgender woman should be permitted to compete in sports against biological women.

The GOP-controlled House on Thursday passed legislation aimed at preventing biological males from competing as transgender athletes in girls’ and women’s sports at schools across the country, after a debate in which several Democrats accused Republicans of "bullying" transgender students. The bill is certain to die in the Democratic-controlled Senate.

Gaines’ side-eye glare at Thomas became a flashpoint for the polarizing debate, and the former Kentucky swimmer has since emerged as a conservative icon for speaking out. ESPN has fawned over Thomas, even celebrating the trans swimmer during Women’s History Month.



"The Texas native competed for three seasons on the men’s swim team at the University of Pennsylvania. She began her transition after her sophomore season, and after a gap year due to the pandemic… Thomas made her debut as a member of the women’s team in December 2021," ESPN’s narrator gushed as uplifting music played and a "celebrating women’s history month" graphic appeared on-screen.

OutKick founder Clay Travis, who points out ESPN’s liberal messaging on a regular basis, praised Steele and Ponder for offering "significant" support of Gaines and biological females.


"Most people in sports media, who are men or women, don’t make substantial enough money to feel like they have great job security and so when you actually break this down, I give credit to Riley Gaines, I give credit to Sage Steele, Sam Ponder for being able to speak out, and willing to speak out," Travis said on "OutKick the Show."

"A lot of people are terrified of being labeled transphobic, or potentially losing their jobs, that they aren’t willing to speak out about this," Travis continued. "I give credit to Sam Ponder; I give credit to Sage Steele… but they’re still the minority."

ESPN president Jimmy Pitaro landed the top job after his predecessor, John Skipper, shocked the media industry by suddenly resigning in late 2017 when a drug dealer attempted to extort him. The Skipper era saw ESPN take a dramatic turn to the left, and the network was accused of spending too much time glorifying Colin Kaepernick’s national anthem protests and spouting left-wing talking points.



Pitaro initially encouraged ESPN talent to pivot away from the political rhetoric that plagued the network during Skipper’s tenure, but a variety of racial and political topics have taken center stage on the self-described "Worldwide Leader in Sports."

In recent memory, ESPN's Sarah Spain called some Tampa Bay Rays players "bigots" for not wearing a gay pride patch because of religious views, aired host Malika Andrews becoming emotional on-air after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, and posted a segment online in which host Elle Duncan urged fathers to speak up so their daughters can have abortions.

ESPN regular J.A. Adande compared ongoing human rights abuses committed by China to Republican election overhaul efforts in the U.S. when speaking about the Winter Olympics in Beijing, and star NBA reporter Adrian Wojnarowski sent a profane message to Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo.





ESPN even had a moment of silence to protest Florida’s Parental Rights in Education bill, which was been dubbed the "Don’t Say Gay" bill by Democrats who falsely claim it banned any discussion pertaining to being gay in the state's schools.

"I’m glad that Sam Ponder and Sage Steele, who have strong contracts and who are among the most prominent women employees at ESPN are speaking out, but I wish there was more freedom and lack of fear in this country to allow more to speak out," Travis said.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/espn-...disney-owned-network-chooses-remain-woke

So have a lot of us. Me included. It's an unfair advantage. But then how could I possibly say that!?

I mean I'm one of those liberals you keep railing against, right?

The next thing I'm going to do is find products to boycott because they advertise their products to differing demographics.

Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone on the board here at Dawgtalkers is an advocate for letting trans athletes compete. It's a bit like when the BLM protests were going on - we supported the peaceful protests and were against the rioting and violence. Sort of seems like common sense.

You are 100% correct. But then some people haven't actually been paying attention. So they think they're making some point that is new or hasn't been covered on this board already. You know, they have to rail against the libs and all. When in fact nobody actually disagrees with them at all on this board.

Sure there is a sector of the far left that think it's okay for trans athletes to compete in women's sports. Why they feel that way I have no clue. But you see, some people seem to think everyone who agrees that trans people be treated fairly must believe in the everything that gets said about supporting them. That we must agree with everything that is mentioned by the trans community. And this simply is not the case. It's the my tribe verses your tribe mentality. Which is exactly why our country can't find a middle ground on anything.

Weird, isn't it - how that works? (go look in a mirror)