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I'll repeat what I've said before. I liked BM and After 2020 thought we could win with him. I was wrong and that's OK. We needed to do something to get us to the next level and we did or, at least tried to, by trading for DW. He came with baggage I didn't like but it's behind us now. Jimmy Haslam wants a winner here and his actions show that. I give him credit. We probably have more talent on this team since the mid-80's. That's great but it comes at a time when our division and the whole AFC is really good. It will be very difficult to get to our 1st Super Bowl with the AFC as it is. AS far as what we had to pay DW it's being talked about less and less with the latest round of QB contracts. After Burrows and Hebert's in LA, DW's contract won't even be mentioned much anymore.

j/c:

I wish the Watson discussion regarding his contract and ability would be added to the existing thread about Watson. The discussion is important, but I think topics about Lamar and Rodgers should focus more on what those moves mean more to their teams and how they affect our chances at the playoffs. Wishful thinking....I know.

I thought there was a decent chance that Lamar and Baltimore would part ways. I was hoping he would go to the NFC. He's back and that is a problem for us. The Ravens also signed OBJ and drafted the dynamic Zay Flowers. All of a sudden, they look like a formidable offense. The AFC is already loaded w/great qbs and it's going to be tough for us to overcome all the obstacles.

"The fair-minded fan would of course be highly disappointed in Watson's performance last year even with have missing almost 2 years. A 55.3 PFF grade for a top 5 QB after missing some time is worrisome."

So, since you are fair minded then why do keep posting 55.3 PFF grade?

DW has played 59 NFL games. So, last season after 11 games were played with a different quarterback. DW after a tumultuous off season of not knowing his status plays the last six games. One with winds blowing whitecaps on the lake. And that is your indicator? That is when you compare him?

That sir, is not fair when there is 53 other games to look at. Games that were paced inside the normal stride of a season.

I will tell you another thing in regards to those six games. He improved. Even when he played poorly a educated eye could see the talent on some of the plays he did make. Yes, his stats were bad. But he flashed the talent that he has. I saw what i expected.

The North is a tough division. I respect every team. I know the division games will be hard fought. I predict nothing.

However, I expect DW to be the player he was in Houston. There are still some concerns about the team.

I'm not sure I would call his game six performance an improvement over his game five performance. In fact I'm quite sure i wouldn't. He actually took quite a step back in that last game. In those six games he had 7td passes to 5 int's. Two of those int's coming in that sixth game.

Don't get me wrong, I get what you're saying and those six games don't predict the future. But let's also be at least a bit real here. Jacoby Brissett was considered nothing more than a career backup at this point. He led the exact same roster to being a top 10 rated offense. Yet a QB who was considered a top 5 QB in the league by many on this board didn't come close to that. And yes, you can say all you want about him not playing for so long and about him not being prepared all you like. And that's all true. But nobody, and I mean nobody would have predicted that Brissett could look better and accomplish more with the same roster in those first 11 games than watson would look in those last 6 games.

I can’t take your criticism seriously after reading your signature. Obviously you are a Browns basher simply because of DW. Why are you even here? And yes I absolutely expected Jacoby to have one of the best seasons of his career here knowing that this was the best roster he had ever played with, plus he had a coach that was good at hiding QBs weaknesses. Then of course there’s always Chubb.

I think that if you are going to continually beat the drum about the stats Watson posted 2 years ago, then it's perfectly fair to post his current level of production. I mean really, we had a former player here that took the Browns to the playoffs 2 years ago but received no such leniency even 1 year later while playing injured. If there hasn't been 10, there's been a thousand posts about how poor Russell Wilson played last year with no reference to his performance 2 years ago when he was a top 6 QB in the league. Heck, there's even been posts on this forum about how a certain future Hall of Fame QB that has won 4 league MVP's not being that good and overrated because he's only been to 1 Super Bowl. Can you see the trend here?

I admire the fact that you are admitting that there are still concerns about the team. That's all I have been trying to say in the first place.

Nice post and I respect your opinion. That is one of the great things about the game - everyone has a differing opinion on a player, team and/or game. Though we may have differing opinions, the thought process for both of us the ultimate success of the team we support. This forum is a lot more pleasant when individuals present their opinions for discussion rather than the personal attacks that so often seem to be plastered on this forum. Thanks for the respectful back and forth.

I don't care if you take me seriously or not. I can't stand watson the person and I make no bones about that. I'm not alone on this board about that. But that doesn't change anything else. In that sixth game he looked terrible. He took a big step back. Nothing about that sixth game stretch did anything to give anyone confidence watson will be what he used to be. Nothing. I also made it quite clear that doesn't mean he won't get back to his prior form. The book on that is still unwritten.

Do you even bother reading the board or did you just decide to make a rant based on a single post? I have supported Stefanski staying. I liked the Browns pick of Tillman the WR. I have consistently supported Myles when posters questioned him. I could go on but since you obviously haven't been paying attention I'm not going to waste my time trying to further explain it to you. The book an how watson will perform moving forward is an unknown. As much as people claim differently that's just a fact. I've never predicted he will fail nor am I doing that now.

What I have and am doing is trying to call people on the myth that his six games stretch here last season was some sign he will do great here. because it most certainly wasn't. But rather than take on that discussion like an adult would you have decided it better to attack the messenger. While that's pretty lame there's nothing new about it.

Yeah, good thing Baker never beat the Bengals, Steelers, or Ravens… SMH. I sure hope DW pans out, or we’ll be decades recovering.