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http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=31738011. Cleveland Browns 8-5 11 Derek Anderson may not deserve Tony Romo-type money, but the Browns would be making a big mistake if they allow him to flee after this season. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=brownsbestplaywithanders&prov=tsn&type=lgnsHere's some advice for the Browns: Do whatever it takes to keep Anderson from leaving. Did you see some of the guys starting at quarterback in Week 12 -- David Carr, Joey Harrington, Brodie Croyle? If you have a quarterback such as Anderson, who has the same number of touchdown passes as Brett Favre (22), you don't let him go. If the Browns lose Anderson, they'll regret it, no matter how much they may like rookie Brady Quinn. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-browns-qbdilemma&prov=ap&type=lgnsDerek Anderson's emergence as a quality starter, Anderson has 22 touchdown passes, thrown for 2,758 yards and is leading a multifaceted Cleveland offense averaging nearly 30 points. He's having a career season, just in time to cash in. His future couldn't be brighter, but Anderson doesn't want to talk about contracts. The media seems to be all about Derek Anderson, enjoying his success (obviously cuz its a good story) but they think that this kid is a keeper and one that is going to be a great QB and that Derek Anderson should be signed to a long term contract. But, what i keep reading on this board (i dont have the patience to look it up) that Derek Anderson "is what he is" that Derek Anderson "is a mediocre NFL starter" that Derek Anderson "is an average QB" and so on and so forth. What I'm thinkin.... Arent we giving Derek a lot too much of a hard time? This kid has us in position to go to the playoffs because of his big arm and his ability to shake off bad plays. His accuracy isnt the best in the league, but has that ever stopped Brett Favre? has that kept Kurt Warner from being a good QB? did that stop Dilfer from getting a Super Bowl victory? DA has been amazing for this team, and I think that the media sees it, but it seems like we dont? I know there are plenty of DA supporters (me being one of them) here, and plenty of bashers of him on here. Are we being too tough on DA? I feel like we are. 
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His accuracy isnt the best in the league, but has that ever stopped Brett Favre? has that kept Kurt Warner from being a good QB? did that stop Dilfer from getting a Super Bowl victory?
DA has been amazing for this team, and I think that the media sees it, but it seems like we dont?
NUMBER ONE...The Media sees one thing and one thing only...An 8-5 record and HIGHLIGHTS...These guys don't watch entire games like we do...They see nothing but the TD's...And many of them are SICK catches by Winslow and Edwards...
Noone bashes Anderson...Every single one of us is THRILLED he's done what he has and has us in a position to be in the playoffs...It's NOT about bashing...It's about what we SEE and what we SEE as things he just doesn't do very well...
I for one get SICK AND FLIPPEN TIRED of seeing these simple 5 and 7 yard slants that the receivers are reaching back for...Going down to their knees for...INEXUSEABLE...And that KILLS any yards after catch possibilities...And kills big play potential...He does it CONSTANTLY...And he's got ALL DAY in the pocket...
We're going into week 15...This IS NOT a "Timing" issue...It's a QB issue...Anderson just cannot connect consistently on the 5 and 7 yard slants...It's like he hasn't adjusted to the speed of the game...But he's leaving potential HUGE plays on the field every single week...
Many times these slants can result in HUGE plays if the receiver can split the seams upon the catch...But the ball MUST be in front of him and caught on the DEAD RUN...It's NOT and it's 100% Anderson's fault...
IMO he will ALWAYS MISS those throws...
As others have stated...If it wasn't for having Quinn on this team Anderson wouldn't even be spoken about as leaving...But we do have Quinn and we're sittin' in a superb position...We have the luxury of being able to get back into the first round and make some draft noise...And unless Anderson falls flat on his face the next 3 weeks...WE WILL GET A 1st for him...The QB situation in the NFL dictates it...And the Browns AS A TEAM will be better off for it...
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Well said. 
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Have you ever dreamed of going somewhere or getting something for a really long time only to be somewhat let down when you finally did because the standards you envisioned for the place or thing were so high they were unrealistic??
I think that is what we have here.
Some people have set a standard in their minds pretty much based in fantasy and can't just enjoy the good job DA is doing because they have set unrealistic expectations.
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I think DA is doing a good job, but I would say he is only a small portion of why we are 8-5 and why he has 22 TDs.
He has 2 receivers that have made some really great plays in Edwards and JJ, and a TE that acts like a ball magnet most times. Often they are making a catch that would be missed by most.
He also has had the comfort of a very good Oline this year, and a solid running game.
Basically I feel while DAs numbers are good and he is playing well, he is playing as well as any average QB would play behind our current line and with our receivers.
Add the great field position that Cribbs and S/Ts has provided and you can see a clearer picture.
I'm curious how many TDs we have that we started the drive on the opponents side of the field versus how many we had to drive 80 yards to get.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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What I'm thinkin.... Arent we giving Derek a lot too much of a hard time? This kid has us in position to go to the playoffs because of his big arm and his ability to shake off bad plays.
Most media types just go for anything they can hype.. I can't quite get excited because some sports writer for yahoo sports says the Browns would be stupid to let Anderson get away. I agree with that statement, but still, I agree because of what I see, not because a reporter tells me it's so.
As for the criticism of DA that occurs on this board... for the most part, I think people on here don't hate on DA (well, there are a few). Posters to this and other messages boards revolving around the Browns seem to think he has flaws in his game.
Saying he has flaws isn't really a knock on him. It's more of an acknowledgment of the facts.. He really does have flaws.
But he's not alone.. Lots of rookie starters have flaws. Some of the best in the game today didn't exactly light it up thier first couple of years.. Favre, P. Manning, Elway and so on. Not everyone is a Tom Brady or Dan Marino who came right out of the gates firing on all cylinders.
Most QB's take time to develop.. I think that's true in DA's case. He just needs time and experience. He's a smart kid with leadership skills (or so it appears) and a cannon for an arm.. And he's Tall enough to see the whole field. Great starting point don't you think? I do!
So while it's nice to hear that DA is getting national recognition, the reality is that he's not a finished product yet..
Personally, I think the kid has greatness written all over him. In the right hands, taught the right things, brought along in the right manner and in the right system to fit his skills and with some talent around him, I think the kid can get it done for a long time in the NFL.. JMO,, but I bet I'm right.
But for me, it's about whatever is best for the Browns.. If that turns out to be DA,, Cool,, if it needs to be Quinn.. I'm good to go on that as well..
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I'm not really going to get in to the endless debate, I just hope we make the right move in the end. I really think Savage should tag (and not tender) DA. With the season he's had and how horrible some of the QB situations are around the league, there's a team out there that could probably care less about a 1st and a 3rd if they believe they're getting a legitimate, proven top 10 NFL QB. They'll sign DA to a huge deal and we'll be reluctant to match it, leaving us in a situation where Quinn better be the guy or we're up a creek. If we tag him and a team really wants to give up two #1's, you're atleast are getting a really good value in return (as the future pick(s) could be very high ones). A 1st and a 3rd could come from anywhere this season, most likely a middle of the road team that isn't in the top 10 but needs a better QB. Is lets say the #14 overall pick really worth losing a guy that may finish in the top 5 in TD's and passing yards? If you need to even think about that one, see medical attention.  On the flip side, the high price of franchise tag compensation deters teams from potentially trying to sign him away. We let him play out 2008-2009 as a starter and if he plays like he did this season, you lock him up long term and look in to trade possibilities with Quinn. It may end up costing you some more money down the road but if DA is a legit top 10 (or better QB) and proves it, investing a little more money in him isn't exactly going to hurt you all that much. If anything, the more money we'll have to shell out is essentially a reward to DA for PROVING he is the guy. He'd be saving us the trouble of wasting a ton of money on a guy that just played well one season. The situation in which you get burned is signing him to a long term deal after this season and watching him flame out in 2008-2009. I think (or atleast hope) Savage understands that. 
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I for one get SICK AND FLIPPEN TIRED of seeing these simple 5 and 7 yard slants that the receivers are reaching back for.
...and I bet I'm not the only one that thinks the same about the fade routes. With our receivers, that's such a "gimme" play inside the 5 but DA can't throw a good fade to save his life. Braylon made a great adjustment in the last game on a poorly thrown fade for a TD. Can tell you the number of ones he's missed badly.
His decision making has gotten better, no doubt. But his accuracy is hurting him in the eyes of many people on this board (me included). It's been mitigated to an extent this year by our superb pass protection. If we have someone on this team that the coaches feel can do better than him next year, then we have to go with that person.
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Let's be honest - most fans here are not comfortable with a winning football team in Cleveland and will do just about anything to sabotage that. Which includes dumping the QB that is leading us to the playoffs for the first time in years. It's much easier to side with the rookie and if he bombs, we are back to feeling sorry for ourselves and can start talking about next year already. This winning thing is just terrible. 
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The Cleveland Browns 8-5. With the worst Defense in football. I like Derek Anderson.
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Have you ever dreamed of going somewhere or getting something for a really long time only to be somewhat let down when you finally did because the standards you envisioned for the place or thing were so high they were unrealistic??
I think that is what we have here.
Some people have set a standard in their minds pretty much based in fantasy and can't just enjoy the good job DA is doing because they have set unrealistic expectations.
I think it's the exact opposite with the other side. People have gotten so used to seeing crap, do in large part to a terrible offensive line, that when they see mediocrity they think it's gold. Anderson has done very well, I'm happy for him and the team. I don't think he's the answer for the future because I think he's an average QB if he has a good line and he has greatly benefited from a weak schedule.
This team is heading in the right direction and the talent is improving, it needs to improve at several positions including the QB for us to make it all the way.
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NUMBER ONE...The Media sees one thing and one thing only...An 8-5 record and HIGHLIGHTS...These guys don't watch entire games like we do...They see nothing but the TD's...And many of them are SICK catches by Winslow and Edwards...
Some in here see the entire game and don't know how to evaluate what they see...  DA has done a admirable job in starting this season and showed why the coaches favored him over Frye.. I for one get SICK AND FLIPPEN TIRED of seeing these simple 5 and 7 yard slants that the receivers are reaching back for...Going down to their knees for...INEXUSEABLE...And that KILLS any yards after catch possibilities...And kills big play potential...He does it CONSTANTLY...And he's got ALL DAY in the pocket...
He also has hardly any kind of touch on his short/mid range throws.. The one thing that bugs me is see him throw high and off the reciever's shoulder causing him to adjust/twist/reach behind to get the pass, only to get laid out for it. If he was mastering those throws the drives would continue and we'd have more scores.. His deep throws are very inaccurate for someone with a strong arm... It's like he hasn't adjusted to the speed of the game...But he's leaving potential HUGE plays on the field every single week...Many times these slants can result in HUGE plays if the receiver can split the seams upon the catch...But the ball MUST be in front of him and caught on the DEAD RUN...It's NOT and it's 100% Anderson's fault...
That is a timing issue...and one that any QB has to master or he'll be ineffective when those throws are needed. If those who argue we're being picky don't understand those things , then I don't get what you're doing when you watch the games.. Clearly it can be seen the in the stretches of incompletions whats happening.. It's those same deficiencies he had at Oregon St.
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Well said Jules.
I am not saying DA is junk but he definitely isn't the great QB some on here make him out to be. It is more somewhere in the middle.
If you are satisfied with just fighting for a playoff spot and not a Superbowl. Than DA is your guy.
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why is that the limit of his upside though?!
The kid is 24 years old with 15 starts under his belt. 12 coming this year and he's 8-4.
DA could improve so much, why is he only going to be average? he's so young.
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We are where we are because of
.. # 1 the Offensive Line , No if , ands , or buts in my mind ..
.. # 2 the play of K2 , Be & JJ.
.. # 3 the play of Cribbs & Company
.. # 4 the bulldozer plays of Lewis
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Well said Jules.
I am not saying DA is junk but he definitely isn't the great QB some on here make him out to be. It is more somewhere in the middle.
If you are satisfied with just fighting for a playoff spot and not a Superbowl. Than DA is your guy.
I am not saying he is a great qb by any means. Can he improve?....Maybe, maybe not.
As to the bit about playoffs....how do you know that??
I don't think you can tell that until a person has been in the position a few times.....such as Bernie.
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We are where we are because of
.. # 1 the Offensive Line , No if , ands , or buts in my mind ..
.. # 2 the play of K2 , Be & JJ.
.. # 3 the play of Cribbs & Company
.. # 4 the bulldozer plays of Lewis
......... And last but not least " Chud " ..
So,, what your saying is that no matter who the QB was this year, we'd still be 8-5..... according to this,, either DA doesn't matter, or he's number 6 on the list.. Which is it?
Everything you wrote,, all of them,, they are true.. No questions.. But to leave DA out.. Sorry.. He's not that bad!
I may be alone in this thinking, but I think DA can be an outstanding QB in the NFL.. If he's in the right situation.. he can florish and blossom into a star..
JMO..
And I'll say this, if we didn't have Quinn sitting on the bench, I dare say that there would be a ground swell of love for DA... warts and all!
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Honestly, the ntional media cover more teams and when you start comparing DA to the quarterbacks throughout the league he is better than the vast majority. He is also in his first year as a starter and only 24 years old.
Sit down and make a list of the NFL quarterbacks that you would rather have right now over DA. I think you will come out with a very short list. DA isnt great but he is playing at a time when decent is golden. and pretty good is great.
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very true.... there is a boatload of mediocrity at the position around the league for sure.
The thing I try to take into consideration is, as Phil puts it, the cockpit we've got for him to sit in as he drives this offense. Now, taken in that context, how many of those other QB's could do what he is doing? I think quite a few, if not many/most.
Think about it; he's not getting pressured or hit all that much and rarely sacked... he's got time and as the old adage goes, give any NFL QB time and they'll pick you apart. So, he's got time... what next? He's got three premier receiving targets that outsize any defender on the field and have no fear of going and getting the ball -and- they are most capable of making the circus catch routine.
Now, toss in Jamal Lewis - "Mr. Eight in the Box" - and a healthy dose of Chud.
I dunno about anyone else, but there aren't too many starting QB's in this league that wouldn't be having a good season right now if they were given the same situation and schedule.
Believe it or not, our offense, as-is, at this moment, is THE IDEAL SITUATION for a QB right now. *Everything* else is in place and at a high level around that position. This is what we should have built in 1999 before drafting a QB.
Browns is the Browns
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Not hard to project about the playoffs..
He'll face stingier defenses who will gameplan him..the Indy/NE/Jack/Pitt's...
Take the deep stuff away.. drop 7-8 in coverage ...make him go underneath...
They'll force him to go short..will he be able to adjust???
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They'll force him to go short..will he be able to adjust???
e.g. Will he be able to change who he has been to date and hit those 5-7 yard slants and drag routes to suck the defense back up toward the LoS?
Anyone else notice that since the 2nd Pitt game's halftime adjustments we haven't had much in the way of deep balls like we did earlier in the season? They're all shutting us down deep and DA hasn't show the ability to consistently make them pay for it because we can't consistently connect on the things that we're being given. That means it is taking us more plays to chew up the same amount of yardage... and we're making just enough mistakes to kill more drives.
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Anyone else notice that since the 2nd Pitt game's halftime adjustments we haven't had much in the way of deep balls like we did earlier in the season? They're all shutting us down deep and DA hasn't show the ability to consistently make them pay for it because we can't consistently connect on the things that we're being given. Some of us do notice those things..but some don't for whatever reason. Thats the very point some of us are trying to let others know..
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That's the beauty of the situation though, some teams are in such utter desperation for a decent QB that they'll be willing to overpay for a guy like Anderson. There is a window of opportunity open at the perfect time for us... but because some people are so happy with mediocrity, we may not take advantage.
I understand that he's the best QB we've had since the return... but that's not saying anything and it certainly DOES NOT mean that we need to settle on something that's simply "better".
Anderson has been the beneficiary of one of the best pass blocking lines in football (7 sacks), two Pro Bowl caliber targets, a solid running game and a reliable big possession receiver. He's also faced the 2nd easiest schedule in the NFL and has only beaten one team over .500, who happens to have the only schedule easier than ours.
Despite all his protection and time to throw, his completion percentage is still near the bottom of the league. Despite all his targets, his QB rating isn't Top 10 anymore. In the second half of the season, after he got 40% of his touchdowns in 3 games against cupcakes, he's been absolutely mediocre. Anderson has been good, but by no means has he been great.
The media sees none of that. They see wins. They see stats. They see the big picture which completely misses all of the crucial details. I'd take the opinions of people watching games every single week over the opinions of people who scramble to find stuff to write about 32 teams.
The bottom line is that while DA is an upgrade, he's too inconsistent and inaccurate to actually lead us far into the playoffs. Will Brady be the guy capable of doing that? I'm not sure... but for a 1st and a 3rd, I sure as heck am willing to give it a shot.
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it really seems like we've all forgotten. Is our OL really that amazing? well the simple answer is yes.
but remember the opener?! We took 5 sacks in the first 17 minutes.
Point is, now we have a QB that gets the ball out quicker than almost every QB in the league. That 7 sacks the rest of the way isnt Solely the OL, Derek has to get a lot of credit for that. He gets the ball out fast.
Derek is goooooood. Beneficiary or not. I know 1 QB at least who wouldnt flourish here. and a bunch more that prolly wouldnt
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I see the problems.
I just don't dwell on them as long as we win games.
I don't know if BQ will make us a little better, a lot better, the same, or not as good.
I suspect we will one day find out.
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I just don't dwell on them as long as we win games.
Yeah..then he becomes a bum in your eyes again..
I don't change my tune once I see something wrong ..see Andra Davis...same thing..
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I am not 100% sold on Derek Anderson, and I am excited to see what Brady can do, but can I just say that it is so refreshing to see that Savage did what he promised to do - and what many here didn't believe he would/could? He created an offense with weapons and talent in which to insert a quality QB. He didn;t do what the 1999 regime did, which was to try to build around a QB. I was initially skeptical that that would happen. I hoped it would because it sounded like the right plan: Put together a solid O-line with a stalwart left tackle and a strong pair of gaurds, grab a good running back, put big receivers in there that can get the ball, and then find the QB that can get it to where they can make plays. Derek is benefitting from that strategy. I think that is the kind of system that has made stars out of guys who were maybe initially viewed as mediocre. DA looks better than he is because of the cast around him. The fact that Savage made good on that promise makes me very comfortable with the direction that will be taken with our D. Anyway, imagine what happens when you insert a QB with a skill set like Quinn's. Yowza! But at the same time, we have to keep DA around. I prefer the "embarrassment of riches" position over the Atlanta Falcons model of "stick the first warm body you find in there."
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one reason besides the record that DA's getting so much media-love...he's a highlight QB...Sportscenter is not all about 7 yd slants, outs, and hitches...it's about about the long ball...that's DA's game... STEVE... Quote:
but remember the opener?! We took 5 sacks in the first 17 minutes.
Point is, now we have a QB that gets the ball out quicker than almost every QB in the league. That 7 sacks the rest of the way isnt Solely the OL, Derek has to get a lot of credit for that. He gets the ball out fast.
Charlie MAY have taken 1 of those b/c he held the ball too long...he took most of them b/c he 'escaped' the pocket to be sacked...
DA has a pretty quick throwing motion, IMO, but i don't see that he gets the ball out that fast...unless fast is rarely leaving his #1 option...without having broken it down, i'd be willing to bet he has an avg. of 3-4 seconds to get the ball out...that's gonna make A LOT of these other QBs look good...
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Point is, now we have a QB that gets the ball out quicker than almost every QB in the league. That 7 sacks the rest of the way isnt Solely the OL, Derek has to get a lot of credit for that. He gets the ball out fast.
He does get the ball out quick, I'll give him that (too quick sometimes, but that's another topic). This isn't the beginning of the season though... stuff like "he gets rid of the ball quick" and "he can throw it deep" just doesn't impress me anymore. Upgrading over Frye is a horrible standard to use when judging QBs. That's stuff that all good NFL QBs can do to some degree, but they also add in accuracy, consistency and possibly mobility into the mix all of which DA just doesn't have.
While I'm glad he provides the things that Frye doesn't, I want to get someone that does all those and provides the things DA doesn't. Brady might be that guy and, again, I'm not saying that he is, but a 1st and 3rd round pick are surely enough of an insurance policy to take that gamble.
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Darn...I wish media guys were GMs - we could franchise DA and get two first rounders for him.
Btw - weren't these the same guys that stated we were the laughing stock of the NFL as their 07 predictions and that we had the worst QB situation in the NFL. Now they are advising Savage on what to do  otay.
Please note my gest is towards the media not poster King Steve
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I see the problems.
I just don't dwell on them as long as we win games.
By not dwelling on them as long as we win games, we might end up costing ourselves more games down the road by being short sighted. A problem is a problem and they must all be addressed with intense scrutiny, lest we lull ourselves to sleep in the comfort of wins.
If we don't, this might end up being 2002 all over again.
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I just don't dwell on them as long as we win games.
Yeah..then he becomes a bum in your eyes again..
I don't change my tune once I see something wrong ..see Andra Davis...same thing..
You still on that??? LOL
Your problem is you don't change your tune when you see something right.
You take the bum comment way out of context......but even if you aren't....you continue to bring that up yet you essentially call DA a bum every time you post.
You are a funny guy.
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I think Prpl is pretty much on ! .. Look , I was in DA's corner ( ves Frye ) as of late last season . I thought the battle to start would be between Anderson and BQ . Given my numbers 1 through 5 , many an NFL. QB. starting to day would do well with the Browns . Would we be 8-5 , 9-4 , 5-8 , 4-9 ??? Who Knows .. But this thread was about the Media and their preception of Anderson and the " BROWNS " .. I take nothing away from what the young man has accomplished this season . But I and not in lock step with the Media stance .. 
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I don't know if BQ will make us a little better, a lot better, the same, or not as good.
I would say that not many of US do actually *know* that.... but much of what Anderson is showing as faulty traits is what he showed in college.
On the flip side, those are things that BQ didn't show in college. He showed the opposite.
Ideally, we'd merge the two and have a 6' 13" Brady Anderson with Peyton's mind for the game and Farve's arm.... but unless I get my government grant for human testing, that just isn't gonna happen.  
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By not dwelling on them as long as we win games, we might end up costing ourselves more games down the road by being short sighted.
Well geez, I didn't hear Peen say that Savage or RAC or Chud are dwelling on those issues as long as we are winning games.. He said HE wasn't dwelling on them..,
Peen, like you and me, is just a fan.. what he dwells on or doesn't dwell on won't have any effect on the team,, not in real life,,,
I will bet you any amount you want, that Savage and RAC and those others in power aren't taking anything for granted and are examining and re-examinging everything daily, weekly, hourly,, perhaps even somethings on a minute by minute basis.. (that seems far fetched, but if you are watching things like waiver wires,, maybe not so far fetched)
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Just clicking EO.....Happy Birthday! As for people trying to say DA is in a good situation and that's why he's performing, please name one good QB who's not? Name the best QB in a bad situation. Anyone? QB's don't do it on their own, period. Is he in a great situation? Sure, he is but do guys like Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger etc get dogged because they have a good offensive unit around them? Is DA perfect? No but he's projected to throw for 4,000 yards and 30 TD's in his first season as a starter. Who's the last guy to even approach such silly numbers in their first full year, when they weren't even the projected starter? I don't see why many fans seem to want to get rid of the guy. I think he's been in a favorable situation but that doesn't mean we should trade him the first chance we get. Let him start next year and if he performs again, lock him up and trade Quinn (you know, the one who hasn't even taken an NFL snap yet ). If he doesn't, plug Quinn in and move on. I consider DA house money at this point....roll the dice and try to hit the lottery (i.e. lets see if he turns in to a legit top 5 guy). What's more important, 2 draft picks or a franchise signal caller? Seems like an obvious answer to me.
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Btw - weren't these the same guys that stated we were the laughing stock of the NFL as their 07 predictions and that we had the worst QB situation in the NFL.
At the time, we did. We had 3 young QBs, none of whom had shown much to that point ...... and the starter (Frye) who many had major questions about. Personally, I thought, and said that Frye made the team look worse than it was. While there might have been preceived upside to having drafted Quinn, looking at the QB production and expectations for this season offered little other than the thought that it's a pretty bad QB situation.
Look at the St Louis situation when Trent Green was injured in the pre-season several years ago. The Rams had to go forward with some former Arena League nobody named Kurt Warner. If you looked at their QB situation in the pre-season, pretty much any rational person would have judged it a disaster waiting to happen.
However, as we saw, sometimes the season plays out in unexpected ways, and stars emerge from former grocery bagging Arena League players. Not often ..... but sometimes. Few expect such events ...... but neither can anyone with a real choice in the matter count on them. I would guess that if the Rams had a chance to sign some experienced bum to guide their offense, they probably would have ... ad we all would have missed out on seeing the greatest show on turf.
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When was the last time you saw me call him a bum?
I have pointed out his pros and cons since training camp and haven't waivered one iota from them.
And I have been accurate..not bragging at all, but I have been dead on about him..I haven't exaggerated one way or another..
Show me a sentence in those posts that says I called him a bum..
I have called him a project..
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I can really see both sides of the coin on this one but it all comes down to whether or not Phil believes in Quinn as much as he did the day he was drafted. It doesnt have that much to do with DA as it does with Brady.
If Quinn isnt ready to go, it would be foolish to trade DA. If Quinn is ready it would be foolish not to trade DA when he is at a pretty peak value. The pressure is really on Phil Savage to make the right decision.
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U know Mour for me its really simple ... and I have said this a million times on here .. so to folks like Peenie and the droves of clueless posters we have that will try and spin this into sumptin it ain't ..... PFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTT to U .. *L*
What I value in a QB ...
1a. ACCURACY .... DA is VERY INNACURATTE ... and thats not sumptin that changes in NFL QB's ..
1b. BRAINS/DECISION MAKING ... DA has improved slightly .. but no wheres near enough .. and IMO he NEVER WILL ...
Accuracy and Decision making go hand in hand because if u dotn know where to throw it all the accuracy in the world won't help U .. and if your smart as hell but can't get it near where U want to throw it .. well thats not very good either ..
and DA lacks in both these areas .. and its not even QUESTIONABLE ..
so the two most important traits U need in a QB DA is WEL BELWO AVERAGE IN .. I wotn continue as he's all ready failed ..
then add in the FACT we have BQ (rendering the 'look at the rest of the leagues QB's statement IRRELIVENT) and what to do with DA becomes a mute point ..
There it is in a nutshell ...
I'm OUT .. U all have fun with the never ending debate ...
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