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Give it a rest missy.

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OMG,,, did you just refer to Jules as "Missy"

I'm getting outta here before the elbows start flyin

And I don't have a problem with that comment.

If it works out we deem BQ as the answer, then sure, go for the picks.

Based on everything I have seen Savage isn't really ready to part ways with DA....I think that is still a topic of discussion.

I just get tired of people saying we need the picks like that is the answer and DA isn't of value where he is..

You really think that lame attempt is going to raise my ire one little bit? Hardly.

The fact that we have a chance at getting some picks out of a QB who is average when everything is just right, is fantastic. I couldn't care less what the name of the QB in the wings is. I just want a QB I believe can take us further in the future, especially during seasons where we have a tough schedule. This one is not the one as far as I can see.

My fear is that Anderson keeps playing the way he has recently or worse, and then we'll get nothing, except a decent backup.

I asked a question does anyone think he's leveling off, showing the true upside he has?
I don't know how much more he can improve..he has to become more accurate in the short/medium areas...

Learning goes in spurts.

He probably has leveled off to a degree....now he is in game planning and what not.

Another off season should give him the chance to grow some more....working on some of the mechanical stuff you really can't do much of during the season.

I don't know how much more he can grow, but the leveling off we see right now isn't really a reflection of what he might be able to do over the next 5-6 months.

I also think the film study sort of stops to a degree......now it is watching D set-ups and things like that, not so much breaking down a D and looking at the base parts.

To attempt at an an example, reading a book for a grade on some report or test isn't the best time to be breaking down sentence structures trying to study how the writer writes.

"I was more so arguing that DA's value (I believe) is much higher then many on this board are giving him credit for."

Nas...I can't account for other peoples posting or their opinions - I got my own and have given DA his due where he has earned it and also have spelled out areas where I think he could be upgradeable...I've even went on to say I don't know if I would look to hard to invest in another to make as our Franchise QB if not for the simple fact we have already.

I think he is real...I just don't think its enough. For him to take us, our Defense will have to become a top 5 defense in this league. Then we will have a chance. But look at the way he has played against playoff teams...that is where the Real starts to hit home for me and why I say upgradeable.

Rivers is a terrible comparison you want to know why? I think he has the weakest arm in the NFL. He's more accurate than DA - I don't know which one I would rather have. But to call Brees DA and Rivers BQ and serve that up as an example. is not fair...of course you discounted Rivers season of last year. 14-2.

"Probably not but his accuracy can probably improve."

Maybe you got to teach the position to understand??? I don't know to me its easy to understand. 90% of accuracy is footwork - by this time with 4 years in college and 3 in the NFL the footwork should be there. What would lead me to believe its just going to come to him.

It's like Steve Martin trying to dance with his family in The Jerk. I mean DA doesn't have it. He's working very hard. I do think a lot of it has to do with the simple fact he has size 17 feet. Lets face it - the kid can't dance!

And I'm not bashing him or calling him a bum...I'm simply explaining why I think after this season is over why I think he can be upgradeable.

JMHO

Anderson staying cool, calm
Zac Jackson, Staff Writer
12.13.2007

Last December, Derek Anderson was making his first career starts for a Browns team that was playing for...this year.

And with Anderson starting at quarterback since Week Two, it's been quite a good year for the Browns. They enter Sunday's game with Buffalo at 8-5, 5-0 at home with Anderson starting and with a chance to, if things fall the right way, clinch a playoff berth.

The spotlight is shining brighter, the stakes are much higher and Anderson has earned his newfound fame. He's thrown multiple touchdown passes in nine games, including each of the last three, and amassed quarterback ratings of 96.5 or higher five times.

All he has to do is keep playing well as the pressure rises, the weather gets worse and the Browns play in the type of big games many of their young players -- like Anderson -- have yet to experience.

But there aren't many inside the Browns' locker room, Anderson included, who are worried about how the quarterback will handle what's ahead.

"He's handled it to this point and that makes me believe he can handle whatever pressure is coming," Browns coach Romeo Crennel said. "If you go back to the second game of the year, there was probably a little bit of pressure he had to handle, being the starter for the first time and playing against a pretty good team.

"And he put 51 points on the board. I think he can handle most of the pressure he has to handle."

Anderson is still the same guy around the Browns' locker room, relaxed, cracking jokes, interacting with teammates. The question about the magnitude of Sunday's game was posed to him six different ways Wednesday, and he maintained that he'll be the same guy.

"It is a big game, we all know that," Anderson said. "But I'm not going to do anything differently. I'm still going to prepare and do the same things I've been doing."

Anderson will likely continue to bring a few jokes to the huddle when the time is right, and he says he'll bring the right focus, as well. Browns fans might say that as long as he continues to bring his cannon arm, all is well.

"The biggest thing is just breeding confidence (to the other guys)," Anderson said. "Then, just go out there and play."

"I think he knows it's serious and he takes it seriously," Crennel said. "He just doesn't show it. He doesn't have the shakes. He isn't all tight. But he knows it's important and he knows it's serious."



Every player has strengths and weaknesses....All I care at this point of our winning season...is to keep winning.....Next spring will bring try outs...There will be competition for a starting role and as of now....no-one can predict that outcome...

Imo....we don`t need a # 1 pick...to fix the D.....

Another off season should give him the chance to grow some more....working on some of the mechanical stuff you really can't do much of during the season.


Some of that mechanical stuff isn't going to just pop out of him by now.

If he's never been that accurate, he isn't suddenly going to become accurate.
There is a limit to what he can refine..
Players don't suddenly become more mobile..they usually either have it or not..

I also think the film study sort of stops to a degree......now it is watching D set-ups and things like that, not so much breaking down a D and looking at the base parts.

Fil study for QB's doesn't slow down that much..U look at schemes...cover packages,bltiz setups.. movements that tip U off to the scheme they're running..

Thought...


What I like about DA through this "leveling off" he seems to be doing. Which is true he is. BUT. He's only "leveling off" as opposed to "dropping off"

Look at guys like Billy Volek, Frye, Holcomb, Couch even, and a lot of these young upstart starters that get a ton of yards and TDs early, then people figure them out.

The thing is teams have "figured out" DA but he's still amassing numbers. Like 2 TDs last week, and he's still getting yards and other things. Like wins.

The thing is, he's still doing his job, and pretty well, despite teams game planning for him now. That have tape on him, but still cant stop him. Contain him? maybe. But stop him? never.

He's now what most everyone would call a legitimate starter, because he's being game planned for, and still being a productive QB. Thats more than you can ask from a bunch of former starters here, and other starters across the league.

The only place I read where DA isn't all that good is on message boards.


The other places and [people that highly tout him don't watch every single game and every snap he takes...so they aren't seeing what he does...just a general sense of his game..and some only see numbers.

But DC's..they have film on him , they see what he's about..
Notice the deeper patterns are no longer open?

jc...

Personally, I think the only reason this subject is upon is is this:

1) Many feel Andersen, while playing well, isn't doing anything any average QB wouldn't be doing in the current setup on offense.

2) with #1 in mind, and DA being an RFA after this year, and having what many think might be a franchise QB on the bench, which we don't know for sure, it's all speculation, and many feel he probably play as well as DA at the very least, and the possibility of getting something in return for DA due to his play this year. Many feel we need to consider getting value from him while the iron is hot.

3) I don't think we will get 1st & 3rd for him, as GMs will look more closely at the game film before making an offer, and then the stats will lose some of their luster. Much like I think Tom Brady is a very good QB, but he is playing beyond his regular statistics this year, it happens. He didn't suddenly become superhuman, as NE fans would like to believe.

4) If we didn't have BQ, and people didn't think he was a quality QB, we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

I just want him to throw for 30+ TD's and keep the Int's way down .. Let the chips fall where they may in the off season

j/c....

I think what some people seem to be forgetting is that assuming DA keeps playing at a high level and several teams are clamoring for him the poison pill contract clause becomes a real possibility.

Some team puts a phrase like " the player shall receive a $20 million dollar bonus each year if he plays 5 games in Ohio" into their offer that is something we will never match and they would never have to pay him (assuming it's not Cincy and I doubt even they'd be that dumb).

QB debates are always contentious. This one will be no exception. But if they have faith in Quinn then they have to tender DA and take the picks if someone signs him to an offer sheet. It only makes sense.

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Like I said.......draft picks are great, but we have been stuck in that mode for 10 years now....always seeking draft picks.


I have news for you folks....we have draft picks

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LMFAO...OK Peenie...

Screw the picks...Screw some top talent...Young talent...

Damn...We got McDonald...We're set...

U say the dumbest ass things at times...

How bout that "Six snaps to a QB" thang???

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Some team puts a phrase like " the player shall receive a $20 million dollar bonus each year if he plays 5 games in Ohio" into their offer

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Ya...OK...LMAO...

I'm gonna love the offeseason with this...U guys come up with some good ones...

I have the BEST ONE...
The Dallas Cowboys first pick..
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Oh never mind..different thread..

relax man... it was just a realistic example of what "poison pilling" is... such as was done with Hutchinson's contract and then Seattle in turn did to Minnie with Burleson, for those that didn't follow.


Hutch's Poison Pills:

For example, in March 2006, the Minnesota Vikings offered Steve Hutchinson, an offensive guard with the Seattle Seahawks, a seven year, $49 million contract of which $16 million was guaranteed. This contract offer had two poison pills in it. One was the salary structure, which would require the team to pay $13 million in the first year of the contract. That salary structure would apply to both teams equally, as the Seahawks would also have to pay $13 million in the first contract year, were they to match the offer. The second was a clause that required Hutchinson to be the highest paid player on the offensive line, or else the entire contract would be guaranteed. Since the Seahawks had another offensive lineman, Walter Jones, with a higher salary and the Vikings did not, this clause would have required the Seahawks to guarantee $49 million, and it effectively eliminated the Seahawks' opportunity to match the contract offer.



Burleson's Poison Pills:

All $49 million would become guaranteed if Burleson plays five or more games in the state of Minnesota in any season of the contract. The Vikings, of course, play home games in Minneapolis, at the Metrodome.
• The second provision would guarantee the full contract if Burleson is paid more on average per year than all of the Minnesota running backs combined. At least for now, the averages of the Vikings' tailbacks fall well shy of the $7 million average of the Burleson offer sheet.

I'm glad I can be of humorous service to you. But it, or something similar, could happen. That's all I'm saying.

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relax man... it was just a realistic example of what "poison pilling" is..

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Realistic???...OK...

Look at the REALISTICS with Hutch and Burleson...

Then look at the UNREALISTIC of 20M in Bonuses per year if any year...LMAO...I can't even finish...

oooohkay


are you unable to comprehend what an example is... or are you just stupidly nitpicking because he used a number like $20M instead of saying something like "guaranteeing the entire contract" ?

I think you might uderstan.... ..LMAO...I can't even finish...

DiD

He isn't saying that someone will offer DA 20M...he was giving an example, be it unrealistic or not.

What would be more realistic is if his entire contract was guarenteed if he played 3 games in Ohio. Or something along those lines.

Open up your mind you old fart

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are you unable to comprehend what an example is..

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No...Actually I'm not...Explain that one to me...Actually...Just for EXAMPLE...Explain 20M in Bonuses EVERY YEAR to all of us...

I'd love to hear this one...I PRAY he's kidding...

And actually.... your scoffing at the $20M per year in bonuses actually makes this very example REALISTIC.

You laugh at it as if noone would ever pay that.... BUT THAT IS THE POINT.

If that is written into an offer sheet that DA signs, there is no way it would be matched... thus we define POISON PILL.

I now feel dumber for having had to explain it in this depth.

I feel dumber for having to read that

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I just want him to throw for 30+ TD's and keep the Int's way down

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If DA throws 30+ TD's and keeps the INT's down, and Quinn still beats him out to be the starter next year... Woo Hoo,,,, Now that's Saying something!

As for all this talk about Mobility,, lots of QB's are less mobil than DA.. Not sure it's that big a deal with this line.

On the accuracy thing,, I'm wondering if someone knows where he's least accurate..Short, intermeadiate or long.. I'm betting it's short to intermeadiate passes. That's where I'm betting he falls off on accuracy. Not sure. But if that's the case,, are people saying he can't improve on that?

Are they saying that a ton of practice and lots of coaching in the off season won't cure that issue,, or at least improve it? That seems odd to me!

Sorry man.......you don't know what you are talking about. You are sounding like a few of the others.

It isn't just the words, it is the deeper meaning behind them.


You see "screw the draft picks" and assume I am a dolt.

If you took the time to read what I said and think for about 12 seconds, you might understand what I am saying.

I am not going to explain it again. It isn't my problem some people can't proceed with cognitive thoughts.

You surprise me.

AD....I know they don't watch every play.....and I do know teams look to take away the deep ball.

That still doesn't diminish anything.


Steve brought up a good point.......the play has level, but it really hasn't fallen off...that is a positive.

It means what we have seen isn't some fluke that is going to somehow go away.

You can have a fluke game here and there.....but not a season of pretty decent flukes.

I respect if you think Quinn will be better......he might be....I even think that possible, but you don't just trade off the guy for a might be....really man, that just doesn't make sense.

Otto brings up a good point on the poison pill.....someone may do that, and then we don't have any choice....so in that case, yes, bring on the picks. But from where I sit, I tender him high and make every effort to keep him in a Browns uniform until BQ shows something....not a maybe....a verified something that isn't in the late stages of a pre-season game.

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the player shall receive a $20 million dollar bonus each year if he plays 5 games in Ohio"

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U guys crack my ass up...LOOK at that...That is a WAY OFF cry from what Hutch and Burleson got...

U wanna call that REALITY???...GMAFB...

The "Pills" will be there...But the NFL in NO WAY AND NO HOW will let a 20M Bonus PER YEAR EVERY YEAR Anderson plays 5 games in Ohio go...

This is a word play here...Cause if u believe that's even remotely possible...U belong in the DOLT arena chief...And I don't believe u do...And that's a compliment....

I don't have a problem with your line of thinking when it comes to trying to keep him. I just don't think it will be an option if someone else really sees him as the future for their football team.

If for some reason another team signs him to a contract that we can't match I will look at that as a blessing because we basically will be getting the draft picks for nothing. Nobody expected anything out of DA and expected BQ to step in next season. The way I see it the plan continues but we get extra picks for a guy most considered expendable anyway. Hell, some thought he wouldn't even make the team out of camp.

It's really a win win situation. Either nobody tries to sign him and he does the same thing next year or we get the picks for a guy who wasn't in the original plans anyway.

It's a good problem to have.

The point is that they will never get that money... it doesn't matter what the number is because the whole point is for it be something that noone in their right mind would ever agree to.... we're arguing semantics if you haven't noticed, bro.


Let's say the Vikes want him.... they write up an offer sheet for a $30M, 6 year deal. .. BUT, if he plays 5 or more games in the state of Ohio during the life of the contract, then he is guaranteed $20M a year, ballooning the contract value to a maximum of $150M.

Pretty insane numbers, right? Until you realize that the Vikes will never play 5 games in Ohio in a single season so the whole point of those numbers is to guarantee that we won't match and they will never, ever be paid. We were never talking *actual* contract dollars here... we were talking Poison Pill provisions. In that context, there is nothing out of line about $20M a year guaranteed, because it is money that will never be paid.


As for would the NFL or NFLPA let it fly? Damned if I know and who cares.... it was a HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE TO STATE A POINT, lol.

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You see "screw the draft picks" and assume I am a dolt.

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OH No ... were well beyond the point of assuming your a dolt ... you made that perfectly clear long ago .. matter of fact putting U in that category is an insult to dolts ...

Yada yada......go home buddy.

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Let's say the Vikes want him.... they write up an offer sheet for a $30M, 6 year deal. .. BUT, if he plays 5 or more games in the state of Ohio during the life of the contract, then he is guaranteed $20M a year, ballooning the contract value to a maximum of $150M.

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LMAO...PPPPPPPPPPPP...LET IT GO...

I completely grip the semantics of the situation...

20M ayear in bonuses for every year he plays 5 games in Ohio is NOT GONNA HAPPEN...The NFL will not let that happen...The Browns will not let that happen...Andersons agent will not let that happen...ANDERSON WILL LAUGH AT THAT...

STOP...

Dude.....I think a few contracts have been written as such.