Playoff wins. Last win 2017. That is even a low standard.
"Stefanski has 2 consecutive years with a losing record and a single playoff appearance.
Are you saying that Tomlin's level of expectation is or should be higher than Stefanski's?
What about Taylor and Harbaugh? Is the expectation for their teams higher than a Stefanski led team?
When does the training wheels come off for Stefanski if the above is true?
Does Stefanski get a 4, 8, or 10 game pass this year waiting for Watson getting up to speed?
Does he get an equal pass while we wait to see if the Schwartz defense gels due to it being new?
Do you think BAL's new offensive coordinator will get the same leeway in BAL?" ======================================================================
If these questions reflect you opinion there is little I can say. Every team should expect to win. If the goal is not to win the Super Bowl. Then you are in the wrong business.
Fun fact. Organizations win and lose. It is not just head coaches.
KS has completed his first three years as a head coach. He has done way more than his predecessors.
Everyone knows that in order to remain a head coach. You have to win.
It is also clear that this season is super important for not just KS but the entire organization. Go back to when KS was hired. Evaluate where the team was. Then go over the changes from year to year. Does building a team mean much? Do bad rosters with losing records and new head coach become Cinderella overnight? Did the changes over the last three years need to happen?
I don't know what your thing is against KS? Damn near every post is based upon some campaign to tell others he is a bad coach.
At the end of this year we shall see. He is the coach now and I look forward to this season. I want to win now. I believe KS is the coach to do that.
Excuses, excuses. The season has not been played "But" if he fails no excuses for him.
How about DW?
They have themselves hogtied when it comes to watson. He's the 230 million dollar man no matter how he plays. Stefanski is a rental. watson is the bride.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I just read how the Browns are predicted to end up in last place. Then how the Steelers will be a surprise team.
For myself I would be more surprised if we did not finish ahead of the Steelers.
I am not one for predictions but hell I got one. The Browns will finish with a better record than the Jets.
I saw the Jets schedule. Brutal. The number 40 when applied to age is an unkind number. Rodgers is about to find that out.
To be clear, I hope the Browns go 17-0 this season. My dislike for what I believe is a highly and grossly overrated Stefanski has nothing to do with my support of the team otherwise.
I agree that it's a little too early for predictions, but I don't think it's a coincidence that numerous early predictors have the Browns predicted for 3rd or 4th place. The Browns haven't garnered much respect for decades and when they do get a little pat on the back like entering the 2021 season, they crumble like a cookie just as they have the last 3 decades. JMHO, that's the reason there's so many posters on this forum that don't get overly excited about the Browns. We've seen the same dog and pony show for decades without positive results. Excuse me for taking a wait and see instead of just getting another disappointment and hopping on the Rah Rah train.
As for the Jets, all I say about them is if you read their board or nearly any article about that team, the consensus is and has been that an elite top 5 QB has been their missing piece for years. In fact, if you replaced Jets with Browns and you'd be reading identical articles. I have no idea how well the Jets will do just like the Browns, but I am pretty dang sure that Saleh's days as the Jets HC are just as stable as Stefanski - win your employed and lose and you're out - no excuses!
Here is where you and I differ. There is no right or wrong. It is a different attitude.
"they crumble like a cookie just as they have the last 3 decades. JMHO, that's the reason there's so many posters on this forum that don't get overly excited about the Browns. We've seen the same dog and pony show for decades without positive results."
I approach each season as a new season. The past is history. Tomorrow a mystery.
Personally I despise whining about the Past. I spit on the attitude of "factory of sadness" BS. I effing hate it.
If you are dragging that anchor. I have no mercy. You are welcome to wallow in it.
We open with the Bengals. I want to win that game. =========================================================================
This time of year is about everyone's predictions. I made my prediction about the Jets.
Like I said I saw their schedule. Age catches everyone. Rodgers will find out. Hell they may win the Super Bowl. I could be dead wrong. Just like everyone could be dead wrong about the Browns.
We had beaten the Bengals for five games in a row until that last game in the season last year. We open against a team that seems to be someone we can and have beaten with pretty regular consistency. To open up losing to them would not be a good sign moving forward. Oh I forgot, how we played against them and won against them in the past means nothing because it will be a new season so history be damned.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Yeah, citing the 80's is so relevant. What argument is there to win? You act like anything that happened even one, two or three years ago has nothing to do with anything that happens now. You think a coaches record from season to season has nothing to do with anything because it's a different season. Yet aren't you someone just like myself who would love to see the Browns win a SB before they die? Why is that? Maybe because they haven't won a championship since 1964? But I mean that doesn't have anything to do with it because that's in the past, right?
We simply see this differently. I have reasons to think my way and you have reasons to think your way.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Here is where you and I differ. There is no right or wrong. It is a different attitude.
"they crumble like a cookie just as they have the last 3 decades. JMHO, that's the reason there's so many posters on this forum that don't get overly excited about the Browns. We've seen the same dog and pony show for decades without positive results."
I approach each season as a new season. The past is history. Tomorrow a mystery.
Personally I despise whining about the Past. I spit on the attitude of "factory of sadness" BS. I effing hate it.
If you are dragging that anchor. I have no mercy. You are welcome to wallow in it.
We open with the Bengals. I want to win that game. =========================================================================
This time of year is about everyone's predictions. I made my prediction about the Jets.
Like I said I saw their schedule. Age catches everyone. Rodgers will find out. Hell they may win the Super Bowl. I could be dead wrong. Just like everyone could be dead wrong about the Browns.
Consensus? I could care less.
No anchor here - just a realist. It goes back to the theme of the original post: "It is what it is until it isn't."
Did we have the same coach, owner, FO or even in the same division in the 80's? No. It didn't help because we had a different.... well let's just say player in the pocket behind the C. The five previous games we won. Sometimes you need to look into the recent past to figure out what changes impacted the present. Or not.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The nature of competitive sports is "play the game." No win or loss decides the next game.
Every coach will begin a new year telling their team "forget last season." If they won the Super Bowl or lost every game.
During the season sure you look at previous games played if you have played that team.
The Ravens have a new offensive coordinator. They have signed a bunch of receivers. Their offense is going to change.
Last seasons games are not going to help. How they played their last game of this season will help them plan.
But it will not decide the outcome. Our defense under Schwartz will differ from Woods. But we also have a bunch of new players.
There are tons of factors that decide outcomes. Oakland A's lost ten in row going into the Braves series. In fact they had won only 10 games for the season and they were in last place.
The Braves are considered one of the best teams in MLB. They are in first place with 32 wins going into Oakland. The Braves lost the first two games.
Judging The Cleveland Browns against the other fifteen afc teams and the other 3 afc north teams would re@uire an e@ual to e@ual comparison of the roads they must take to playoff appearances
NO OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL HAS the Browns road to the playoffs each year.
No other team in the NFL finds itself in a position wherein they have divisional opponents being the Baltimore ravens, Cincinnati bengals, and Pittsburgh steelers, year in, and year out.
Take for instance the Browns and bengals, the bengals never find the bengals on their schedule, the Browns, never find the Browns on their schedule, since, they can never play against their own team, the 32 individual teams never face the exact same road also b/c of the makeup of the divisions no team has the exact same wild card road as others.
The Browns, really any NFL team only has 4 places in the musical chairs roundtable of playoff berth opportunities to get into the playoffs each year, even after they expanded to seven per conference. a team cannot win a division title for the 3 divisions they do not play in of the 4 divison north/south/east/west conference, afc/nfc, they do play in of the two conference National Football "League".
post count number fifteen thousand, hmm.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
The gray area between excuses and reasons can be pretty thin at times.
I heard that on a podcast this week, a fella said anytime someone mentioned excuses, he was told to challenge them on the definition difference of excuses and reasons.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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