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What's the difference? A few obvious things. A much better Oline. A receiving corp that probably has two Pro Bowlers in it. And an RB that actually is pretty decent.
The part that always seems to be forgotten is the 16 starts or so for Andersn and the 40-50 starts for the other guy.
When Quinn comes in.....if he comes in, I sure as hell hope Quinn get a little more time than does DA.
That is the part that makes all of these points absurd. The guy is inexperienced himself.
I sure as heck hope I don't sound as ignorant as some around here and start complaining when Quinn starts putting up numbers and results as good as Andersons.
If Anderson doesn't improve over a year or two, then yes, I can see where we might want to seek to improve things as it will be at the point where it probably won't change(not that much needs to change). until then, I just think it is message board egos at work and really don't give it much weigh anymore other than to point out how goofy it sounds.
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I wonder if McNabb has accuracy problems?
Or, Eli Manning?
Or, Rivers?
All of the above are within 3.2% of Anderson's completion percentage. hmmmmm.
All the above have passed for less yards than DA.
Closest is Elie and he's some 450 yds less than DA.
McNab is 739 yards behind DA.
Anderson, as poor as some claim he is, has passed for 26 TDs tied for 4th in the NFL.
Ellie has 18 TD passes and is the closest.
Is Eli Manning a better QB this season, than DA?
Does Eli have...hmmmmm accuracy problems?
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STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!! and DA is the PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY ... the Uneducated football minds look at the W's and SOME of his STATS while IGNORING other Stats and what ACTUALLY HAPPENS ON THE FIELD and think he is way better than he is .. like i said he is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of why STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!! but U wouldn't know that .. being the king makes it tough .. 
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Something a few seem to forget DA played pretty damn good last year without the great OL and with the Evil Braylon and no running game. He played good against KC, He played very good against Pitt when the entire team couldnt catch a cold, never seen so many passes dropped in one game. Then he goes to balitmore and again he played good enough for us to win that game.
The sad part is that the only one remembered was the Tampa game when he was injured and we had 3 of our starting OL out for that game. Thats the one most enjoy remembering cause it helped defend their stance that Frye was the better QB.
I keep hearing accuracy accuracy accuracy but the kid is only in his first year as a starter. i dont hear many saying that some of those throws he has made there are only 4 or 5 quarterbacks in the league that can make that throw.
matt hasselbeck in his first year as a real starter completed 54% and 7tds with 8ints
Tom Brady first year as a starter competed 63% of his passes but only 18tds and 12ints btw at the end of this season guess what the only year in which Tom Brady will have thrown for more TDs than DA is this year
Bret Farve was in his 4th year before he ever saw the kind of production that DA is having.
I just dont think most are really appreciating the type of year DA is having.
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but shep...I think DA is a good QB though.
I know he has his problems, mostly in accuracy.
Hmmmmm......a QB who has accuracy problems. Hmmmmm... 
Lets keep one thing in mind Shep. BQ did not exactly light up the world in college with his accuracy. That was one of the knocks against him coming out. I will admit though, DA needs some work on his short game.
The Quinn accuracy issue was pre-draft fodder, not supported by his play at ND.
All of the discussion regarding DA would not be happening if Quinn was not sitting behind DA. It is going to be a tough decision, because I don't think the Browns are going to keep them both.
I dont want to have this turn into the Brees situation, where the compensation was an end of the 3rd round pick.
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What if DA and his agent WANT to wait for free agency?
I may not understand what you are trying to say.. But if they wait for free agency, then he's gotta sit out the year.. and that isn't gonna happen.
Being a Restricted Free Agent basically means that the players future is dependent on his current club.,
We have matching rights to any offer anyone gives him,, We actually control that.. what we can't control is what team(s) make him an offer..
So waiting for FA isn't an option for DA at this point.. and, as unlikely as I think it is, it may never be an option,, the Browns could match any offer he's made this year and next year if they can't come to an agreement, they can franchise him (and over pay through the waazoo for him)
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I guess it all boils down to whether you think DA will improve enough to make it worthwhile to send Quinn packing. Because that's what will have to happen by the end of next year. We're not gonna keep two talented QBs and pay them both what they (think) they're worth. Just not gonna happen. IMO
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I wonder if McNabb has accuracy problems?
Or, Eli Manning?
Or, Rivers?
I don't know what kind of stats you are talking about. I do know McNabb was having a sub par year until he was injured. I want you to show me where anyone on here thinks Eli is even a good QB, let alone accurate. Rivers is getting a lot of flak for his play this year.
We do have a vertical passing attack so it would make sense that his passing percentage would be lower than those that run a west coast offense. The thing is when it's third down and less than 6, his completetion percentage is low. That's when you need it to be at it's highest.
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We're not gonna keep two talented QBs and pay them both what they (think) they're worth. Just not gonna happen. IMO
Not for nothing, but Green Bay has been doing it for a number of years now,,, San Francisco did it with Montana and Young, Pittsburgh did it for years with Neil O'Donnell and Kordell Stuart. Not that I want to compare DA or Quinn to any of those guys but, there is precedent for such to occur..
And I don't think the end of next year is any kinda deadline at all.. If we sign DA to a long term deal (I'm not sure that will happen), then he's here. Quinn is already signed for I think 3 more years after this. And from what I understand, his annual cost is around 2 million.. Not out of the question for a back up QB these days..
The real cost to us is the picks we gave up to get Quinn. The Money don't mean anything.. it's peanuts.
So yeah, it could be that we see both of these guys here for at least 3 more years..
I really believe that if Quinn is sitting on the bench when his contract is up, we'll have to either agree to start him, or trade him.. I'm guessing he won't sign again to be our back up... (and I won't blame him) That's when a final decision needs to be made.
Until then, there really isn't anything either of them can do.. not even DA.. we have the high tender but we also have the franchise tag if need be.. we can keep him here for years if we want...... and pay him way to much, but it can be done.
Hey, it's only money,, not an arm or leg which is something you would really miss 
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The thing is, Quinn isn't making that much unless he plays, and DA is making about 400k a year.
If he is as bad as some think, he won't make that much will he??
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I wonder if McNabb has accuracy problems?
Or, Eli Manning?
Or, Rivers?
All of the above are within 3.2% of Anderson's completion percentage. hmmmmm.
Hmmmmmmmmm hell.
I don't watch those guys every week. I don't give a fat baby's ass if they are 3.2 percent within anything of DA.
I watch Anderson each week throw behind, in front of, and at the feet of his receivers. I watch Edwards and Winslow make catches on some of these passes that make you go WOW, and increase DA's percentage whereas normally they would go as incompletions.
We all know what the stat sheet and the W/L column says, we all should ALSO know what we are seeing every week. 
I REALIZE the kid is inexperienced as it stands right now. I also REALIZE that people are drooling over his reads and how quickly he gets rid of the ball. *LMAO*
THAT COMES FROM A BETTER OFFENSIVE LINE!
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I tend to agree. It's like people think when the announcers on TV say DA completed that pass only where his receiver could catch it, also means the guy got lucky and that pass should have been picked.
Since DA became the starter, and just even played, I still cringe when he drops back, and thats not a good feeling and he's hasn't shown signs of changing, and thats scary to me.
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Some of yinz are amazing.....ya watch football for years and years and that's all you see. The football. Guess what? There's a big ol' game goin' on 'round that football. Check it out some time!
Very well put.
Diam called that method of watching the game, "follow the football".
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STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!! and DA is the PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY ...
the Uneducated football minds look at the W's and SOME of his STATS while IGNORING other Stats and what ACTUALLY HAPPENS ON THE FIELD and think he is way better than he is ..
like i said he is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of why STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!
but U wouldn't know that .. being the king makes it tough ..
Well Diam, if stats are for losers and you don't want us to look at the won/lose then how should we grade DA? Maybe we should just listen to you and start BQ because he used to play for ND, a team almost as good as Navy and Air Force. Change'" almost "to "not nearly ".
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What if DA and his agent WANT to wait for free agency?
I may not understand what you are trying to say.. But if they wait for free agency, then he's gotta sit out the year.. and that isn't gonna happen.
Being a Restricted Free Agent basically means that the players future is dependent on his current club.,
We have matching rights to any offer anyone gives him,, We actually control that.. what we can't control is what team(s) make him an offer..
So waiting for FA isn't an option for DA at this point.. and, as unlikely as I think it is, it may never be an option,, the Browns could match any offer he's made this year and next year if they can't come to an agreement, they can franchise him (and over pay through the waazoo for him)
I was thinking along the lines of...sign a 1yr. tender,not sign w/anyone else ,become UFA after "08. Browns get him 1 yr. and then not squat.
Is that possible or am I going too far off the deep end?
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if stats are for losers and you don't want us to look at the won/lose then how should we grade DA?
With your eyes.
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Not the stat sheet, not your heart. Use your optical receptors.
Riiiight...that THAT would ever happen with most people around here. 
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I was thinking along the lines of...sign a 1yr. tender,not sign w/anyone else ,become UFA after "08. Browns get him 1 yr. and then not squat.
Is that possible or am I going too far off the deep end?
Sure it's possible, but I bet you it never gets that far.. But let's say it did,, if the Browns and DA were to agree on a 1year deal (sorry, I don't see that happening) Then next year, DA would be an Unrestricted Free Agent and could go anywhere..
But at that point, I believe we could Franchise Tag him. There are people here that know a hell of a lot more about the Franchise Tag than I, but I think that means we have to pay him equal to the average of the top 5 players at his position. That would be a Boat Load of Money. So in effect, I beleive we still could control the situation to a great degree
I can't imagine that happening!
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Someone is gonna pay DA a boatload of cash. (Chigao or Atlanta maybe Miami if the change in ownership occurs)
Phil isnt gonna pass on a draft pick. The hate on DA crew will be saying wow we screwed them. The DA faithful will be saying, man Quinn better be for real or we just screwed ourselves.
I see flaws in his game and the right move is to get the picks while the value is at peak since we have Quinn but you cant help hearing that little voice saying, on pace to throw 34tds
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I see flaws in his game and the right move is to get the picks while the value is at peak since we have Quinn but you cant help hearing that little voice saying, on pace to throw 34tds
I understand,, 34 TDs are a lot.. hard to ignore that isn't it. Warts and All,, DA is the most consistent and best QB we've had here... and yes,,, lots of his good fortune is because he's in a safe zone behind our reworked line..no question,
But he still has to have the guts to stand in... and he still has to throw the ball and he still has to lead the Offense..
So yeah, if we are gonna make that trade and stick with Quinn,., we better be right about him, or we are in a hole again.. and this time it isn't going to be that easy to climb out of...
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"BQ did not exactly light up the world in college with his accuracy. That was one of the knocks against him coming out."
Sure if you want to look at his freshman and sophmore seasons.
But if I remember correctly he had 64% in his Jr. year and 61% in his Sr. year. Not exactly inaccurate.
Did you watch some games...especially the big ones. I can't remember a team with so many drops before. Once that kid had his big baseball contract he changed like night n day...I think he was worried about getting hurt and losing a possible 5 mil.
As for reports...it was one scouting report that got regurgitated at all the draft nik sites...You know the same ones that said Joe Thomas couldn't run block.
Fortunately or unfortunately I can judge technique and footwork - there is no stats I can bring to the table. Only my credibility for my eyes when it comes to football.
He had excellent footwork when compared with DA. All the negatives described about DA - he excels in. Now question is - Do we lose much in the Deep out, Seam route and decision process of DA if BQ is in there?
Seam route? Unless you have a dead arm any decent QB who has a pocket to step into can throw a good seam route. Heck it was Couch's best pass.
Deep Out...I really like DA's deep out. I don't think BQ can gun it there as well but he's no Kelly Holcomb arm either.
The winner for me...we need a QB to make something out of nothing to beat the good defenses of the playoffs. When I see our QB sit in the pocket and great coverage forces him to bring the ball down and start scrambling then as he nears the LOS and pulls up and fires a pass. I want those defenses to PAY! not see a pass go 10 feet over the head of the wide open target. I know I'll get some groans of - how often does that happen. But I'm not saying its the only thing but it is Big, very Big against Good to Great teams. How did we lose to the Steelers at their house this year? And I'm not talking about the subpar 2nd half that DA had. But how Big Ben got away from our rush as we had great coverage and time and again would beat us and make us pay.
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But if I remember correctly he had 64% in his Jr. year and 61% in his Sr. year. Not exactly inaccurate.
Now ..... I expect the "anti stat" tyoes to chime in here with such wisdom as "stats are for losers", etc. What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander, after all. 
Look ... when it comes down to it, what a player does in college gives some clue as to how he'll perform as a pro ........ but there are no guarantees. Hopefully if and when Quinn's day comes, he'll justify the faith so many have shown in him, and go on to have the All Pro career so many have already pencilled him in for.
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57% and 61% isnt really that big of a difference
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"Something a few seem to forget DA played pretty damn good last year without the great OL and with the Evil Braylon and no running game. He played good against KC, He played very good against Pitt when the entire team couldnt catch a cold, never seen so many passes dropped in one game. Then he goes to balitmore and again he played good enough for us to win that game."
You forgot to tell us about his Big Axe and his Blue Ox named Babe...lol 
Come on folks...pretty soon we will hear stories about him playing with a broken leg and single handedly destroyed all our division foes.
1. Pitt game Loss 24-20 17/27 62.9% 224 0TD 0INT... this was Frye.
Pitt game loss 27-7 21-37 56.7% 276 1TD 1INT...this was DA
But DA played very good.
2. KC game Win.
1st half 11/13 84.6% 122 1TD 0INT...this was Frye with a sprained wrist for a qtr.
2nd half 12/21 57.1% 171 2TD 1INT...this was DA
3. "Then he goes to balitmore and again he played good enough for us to win that game."
And this is where you lose all credibility and have me class this as folklore. We lost to the Ravens 27-17???
Come on people are just building this kid up too high. I love what he's doing but lets get real.
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FWIW, on ESPN, Mort just stated that the Browns are planning on offering Anderson a long term deal.
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that would be interesting. Surprised Savage would do so - but he knows better than I.
I hope we don't have a competition next pre-season. I hate QB competitions and rarely see them help a team. We have the cap room to eat a modest signing bonus if somebody makes us a silly offer. That would be the kicker in what our long term intentions are of him. Big signing bonus...DA is here to stay for a while.
I know it was mentioned DA's agent contacts Savage every week to start negotiations.
Big question will be what they do when BQ is ready. Sit him, open the competition.
We have a very difficult schedule next season with the AFC South and NFC East on our schedule...ride DA until he struggles? This way there will be less pressure on BQ? As opposed to start BQ until he struggles then bring in DA? The options are endless.
No matter what happens...we are in an enviable position having two QBs.
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I see what you're saying and agree for the most part. I do watch DA and see the acuracy problems. Its also true Brady probably will turn out to be a very good QB. With an O-line like ours he is already way ahead of most young QB's. I would just like to see more of him before we dump DA. Even for a 1st and a 3rd. If we dump DA and BQ doesn't work out , then what? 
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I understand Savages motivation , but when you look at the season as a whole I wonder what might go through his mind .. Two more games to watch him. No matter what , you didn't give up a 1st and 2nd moving back into the first round if you didn't think BQ. wasn't the man !
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Think about it Eo,, if we make him a long term offer, we have him AND Quinn under contract... There isn't anything either can do about it. THey have to compete for the starting job. it's really that simple..
Who ever loses the job is really a great back up or one hell of a good piece of trade bait.. either way, if we sign DA to a long term deal, WE are in the drivers seat..
The way Phil operates, I'd like it that way..
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STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!! .. there U feel better ... *L* .. problem is tabber is FAR FROM A LOSER ..... he posts some irrelivent stats just to aid the dolts that live by them and its the only thing they understand .. then he talks about footwork and skill set .. sumptin U never see the losers do ... some of them even compare using what u see to judging a book by its cover ..  .. no clue what that even means .. on to Mort . I like Mort more than most .. and I believe him when he speaks until its proven otherwise .. theres a big difference between offering DA a long term contract and offering him one he will actually sign .... theres a LONG WAYS to go in this thing .. wil be interesting to see how it all pans out .. my hope is if we get a 2nd rnd pick offered we take it .... but thats just me ... and my opinion isn't real popular around here for some reason .. *L* .. tabber .. BQ will beat him out in a landslide in TC next year .. DA posses a stronger arm than BQ .. thats where his plusses end .. and BQ has a VERY GOOD arm .. he can make all the throws .. plus he has GREAT TOUCH and will make good/sound decisions and for an added bonus he'l make plays with his feet .. and he can actually throw on the run ..
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Think about it Eo,, if we make him a long term offer, we have him AND Quinn under contract... There isn't anything either can do about it. THey have to compete for the starting job. it's really that simple..
Who ever loses the job is really a great back up or one hell of a good piece of trade bait.. either way, if we sign DA to a long term deal, WE are in the drivers seat..
The way Phil operates, I'd like it that way..
Mort indicated we were gonna OFFER him a long term deal...As Diam just said...Offering Versus ACCEPTING are 2 very different things...
I'd about guarantee that he and his agent REFUSE any offer we make in order to see what he would get as a RFA...At that point we TENDER him with the 1 & 3...And see what happens...His agent ain't stupid...I highly doubt he'd be "Guaranteed" the Starters spot...Not with a 1st rounder in Quinn around...And we ain't tradin' Quinn...
U need to be VERY careful about talking Long Term Deal then turning around and trading Anderson...This ain't gonna be cheap bub...And there's gonna be some pretty serious Salary Cap ramifications if we sign him and trade him...There's gonna be a pretty good sized Signing Bonus going with this I'm sure...And ALL OF IT will accelerate upon a trade...
Bottom line...Signing and Trading Big Contract NFL Players happens RARELY...FOR A REASON...
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I'd about guarantee that he and his agent REFUSE any offer we make in order to see what he would get as a RFA...At that point we TENDER him with the 1 & 3...And see what happens..
I just think this has got to be the best case scenerio for both camps. DA gets to test the market and see if he has value to other teams in the NFL, and we get a CHIOCE. Match the other teams offer and sign DA long term, which is what Mort is talking about in the 1st place.
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Gather the extra draft picks (which we definatley NEED), and run. Putting our faith in the guy we traded our 1st round pick for anyway.
I just don't how we can lose in this situation.
Unless  , Brady is a total flop and Anderson goes on to become the next "great QB", and I just don't see either of those happening.
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Mort indicated we were gonna OFFER him a long term deal...As Diam just said...Offering Versus ACCEPTING are 2 very different things...
True enough,,, my assumption is that they would make an offer he won't refuse... but who knows. the one thing he may want is a guarantee he'll start.. and I don't think we can give that to him.. or,, maybe we can. He can start the season, then lose the job much like Frye did last year.. who knows
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Mort indicated we were gonna OFFER him a long term deal...As Diam just said...Offering Versus ACCEPTING are 2 very different things...
I'd about guarantee that he and his agent REFUSE any offer we make in order to see what he would get as a RFA...At that point we TENDER him with the 1 & 3...And see what happens...His agent ain't stupid...I highly doubt he'd be "Guaranteed" the Starters spot...Not with a 1st rounder in Quinn around...And we ain't tradin' Quinn...
Exactly. When if/when we offer a contract, don't be surprised at all if it's a PR move for the exact same reason why we won't "trade" Anderson in the off-season. When a guy works hard and you refuse to offer him a deal, you send the wrong message and people will blame you for it. When you offer him a deal that says "we want you to compete for the QB position" and he turns it down for a deal that says "we want you as our future" from another team and don't match because it's "too expensive", then that's a whole different story. If we're looking to get something for DA and move to Brady, that's how we do it.
I honestly have no idea what Savage plans on doing with this situation, but I have to think he'll offer DA a deal regardless of whether or not he actually wants to keep him just for the sake of doing it to save face.
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I dunno about you guys.
and I know BQ is gonna be really good.
but Doesnt DA just look like a Cleveland Browns player? diving in the snow and being tall and having fun and being so much with his teammates. He just looks like the Cleveland Browns. Tough and rugged.
I love this guy
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When the dust ( or snow ) settles ; Savage , RAC and Chud will discuss DA's play this season and what they think he can do next ... They will throw BQ. into the mix and come to some kind decision .. Look at the FA. market and Cap room & the Draft prospects .. What is the best way to take the next step ( playing with the elite ) .. I'm sure they are going to talk about next years schedule !!!!!!!! Tough to say the least .. The good thing about this situation is , we have a wining season and all kind of options .. 
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its nice to have GOOD ONES for a change ain't it .....
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its nice to have GOOD ONES for a change ain't it .....
Ain't that the truffff ? 
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Mort indicated we were gonna OFFER him a long term deal...As Diam just said...Offering Versus ACCEPTING are 2 very different things...
True enough,,, my assumption is that they would make an offer he won't refuse... but who knows. the one thing he may want is a guarantee he'll start.. and I don't think we can give that to him.. or,, maybe we can. He can start the season, then lose the job much like Frye did last year.. who knows
NOONE makes offers that can't be refused, especially this early. The team wants to get em cheap, the player/agent wants to squeeze out all they can.
What I believe to be the most likely scenario, and the best option for BOTH sides, is to wait and see what value the market sets.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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