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That might be one interpretation.

The other that he said HELP the needy - by homing them. Nothing permanent. Nothing about giving them a free house. just a roof over their heads. . . . with resources that are empty and not being utilized. What a crazy idea THAT would be huh.

As for free section 8 housing for all - one day maybe everyone might start to understand the theory that when you help the community as a whole - and raise up the neediest and give them a helping hand ... it benefits EVERYONE. But that's just an opinion.

I didn't say they were useless humans. Nothing close to that.

I brought up that people staying at home for work has caused large amounts of office space to go unoccupied. That in turn is causing problems for banks. Buildings that are rented are what the banks used to value the amount of loans they made or use as collateral.

Turning them in to public housing units isn't going to solve anything on that front. It will actually create other problems. It will drive down the value of adjacent properties. Not because they are housing "useless humans" as you suggest. Rather, when you have building "A" hosing people for free or steeply discounted rents, and people in building B being asked to pay $500,000 for their condo, well, as the saying says, "there goes the neighborhood".

You may not like to hear that, but that is the reality.

I agree, and have no problem with that. We need to do that.

That’s what taking responsibility and showing accountability while doing something about the issue looks like folks.

But thats just looked at as a handout to the trump brigade.

Actually I simply suggested truly affordable housing. What the poor and homeless can really afford to move into. Not all homeless are broke. Many work full time jobs. Folks that are homeless are in that position for a multitude of reasons. Where’s the humanity? Damn, what the hell is wrong with people? Those that lump them into one category are the real problem.

That's great to see/hear and honestly I doubt many would honestly disagree with that as a goal for society. The issue is how you do it. The issue is that some focus on the small % that abuse the system rather than focus on the big picture. Some focus on the fact that anything run by government - state or federal - is inevitably inefficient.

I also think many assume that anyone getting free "anything" immediately lose any desire to work to improve their lot in life and will forever after have their hand out - something I strongly disagree with. I believe that you could take any individual who has ever read or posted on Dawgtalkers - give them the bare minimum of assistance for them to "live" for 6 months: A free room with a bed. Enough to eat 1,500-2,000 calories of food a day. Hell maybe a TV to watch with basic cable. . . . . . . . Not a one of us would settle for that and would all work our tails off to get a job so we could get "more". If we look around and think that's what "we" would all do - why do we assume that others would settle for a crappy, bare minimum but free lifestyle??

As for the abusers - they are in every walk of life, from the CEO's of Enron and other such billion dollar corporations, to those actively avoiding taxes, to people working two jobs and only every actually working one of them ... I bet we've all worked alongside someone that did the minimum, took credit for work and effort of others etc .... they are all cut from the same cloth in my eyes. jmo

Well again I see you don’t have a clue into this issue at all. Banks want their clients buildings to fill up right? Well that’s not going to happen with just office space and high end condos alone bro.

People need an affordable place to live so they can work from home, including the poor and homeless. A place with hospitality and medical resources to handle the sick and hungry. Saying “there goes the neighborhood” is just the cliche one would expect from the entitled elite who feel they are being replaced by other races and cultures.

Matt. 25: 33-46

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

According to the way some of you post, you must think Jesus was a socialist. That's become a very popular label for decent human beings.

Good possibility. I can't read PS's gibberish unless I'm in the mood for amateur hour... which is very seldom. He's been on ignore for years. Unfortunately, 'Peen's quote was different than what he actually posted -- that's my bad.

We could talk all week about how it is done. It could be many ways.

I do know one thing, it shouldn't be free. Some sort of service should be provided. It's a fact that people value things they worked for more than handouts. It would also go a long way towards building self-esteem which is probably pretty low in many of those people.

I have many ideas but don't feel like typing anything in depth.

It would have to be paid for, how? Probably some combination of a small tax increase, diverting funds from other agencies., and the actual people in the program by working would pay in to the tax base.

Heaven forbid that banks that are too big to fail. You know the ones US tax payers bailed out? Would give back a bit to help…..lol..nah.