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Aw. I know you think running over someone that stole a bicycle rack full of food is perfectly alright. And those that stormed the capital on Jan. 6th didn't mean to either. Mmmm. hmmm.

Yes she just chased him down with her car to "accidentally" hit him with it.

And what is it exactly do you claim I posted the thief said that was true? That's right, nothing.

And you once again are just making BS up. I've actually never advocated any guns be destroyed or even outlawed that are currently legal. Once again you use the extremist view to try and represent anyone who disagrees with you.

Let's take a look at the video, shall we?



I'm sure that looks like an accident to you.

Take a look at that video and then at least TRY to be honest, for a change. It was obviously on purpose. She was enraged, chased him down and hit him on purpose. But of course rather than being honest you'll call me the troll.

Failed New Mexico GOP candidate indicted by federal grand jury in alleged shooting spree targeting Democratic officials’ homes

A former GOP candidate in New Mexico has been indicted on federal charges in connection to a spate of shootings at Democratic officials’ homes after he lost his 2022 midterm election bid, court documents show.

Solomon Peña, 40, is charged with conspiracy, interference with federally protected activities and several firearms charges, including the use of a machine gun, according to a grand jury indictment unsealed Wednesday.

After his defeat in a November run for the New Mexico House of Representatives, prosecutors accuse Peña of going to the homes of at least three Bernalillo County commissioners and urging them not to certify the election results, claiming there had been election fraud, the US Department of Justice said in a news release.

“Following the Bernalillo County board of commissioners’ certification of the vote, Peña allegedly hired others to conduct the shootings and carried out at least one of the shootings himself. At least three of the shootings occurred while children and other relatives of the victims were at home,” the release said.

Though victims’ names were withheld in the indictment, Albuquerque police have said Democratic officials whose homes were shot at included Bernalillo County Commissioner Adriann Barboa, newly installed state House Speaker Javier Martinez, and state Sen. Linda Lopez, among others. No one was injured in the shootings, police have said.

f convicted on all charges, Peña faces a mandatory minimum of 60 years in prison, according to the DOJ.

CNN has reached out to Peña’s attorney, Roberta Yurcic, for comment.

Peña also faces several conspiracy and firearms charges in New Mexico, to which he has pleaded not guilty.

As of Wednesday, he had not yet appeared in court to face the federal charges. Peña was still detained without bond at the Bernalillo County Jail Wednesday evening, online records show.

After Peña was arrested in January, a district court judge ruled that that he must remain in jail as he awaits trial, arguing that Peña poses a threat to the shooting targets and their families.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/us/solomon-pena-new-mexico-democrat-shootings-indictment/index.html

If you can't beat them, shoot them? Murica!

Maybe dude should
1) get a job so he can buy food
or
2) bike his ass down to the local food pantry and get groceries in a legal way

Theft does nothing but raise prices for everyone and make businesses leave town so then everyone suffers.

How does any of that excuse this?

I never said it did. But if dude wasnt stealing he wouldnt have had a problem, would he? Personal accountability is a thing.

And personal accountability also applies to what that cashier did when she obviously hit that guy with her car on purpose. The only real difference here is that all along I have stated this guy was stealing. I've never claimed that he wasn't doing something wrong. He clearly was. On the other hand we've been hearing excuses for this woman to hit this guy with her car. (not from you per say) Accountability works both ways.

I never stood up for the driver. I just pointed out you mentioned hungry person and no word of thief.

See, I can do that too, much like you and a few other did when we were discussing a 3 year old child who shot a sibling, and my words were twisted to sound like 3 year olds should be able to have handguns and you not liking my use of the word mistake...which it was.

So, if that is how you folks want to play, so will I.

Have a good evening.

You may wish to check yourself. You posted that immediately after I posted the article in which it clearly stated he was a shoplifter. It was OCD who never mentioned he was a thief. And you also may wish to check my comments about the three year old shooting his sibling. You boiled it down to being a "mistake". I said I thought that was downplaying it. That it was worse than a mistake. You know, a mistake is accidentally putting mustard on your sandwich when you meant to put ketchup on it. Allowing a three year old to get their hands on a loaded weapon is much more than a "mistake". Nowhere did I even suggest that you felt a three year old should be able to have a handgun. Where you come up with such BS is unreal.

Mother fatally shot by neighbor after dispute over playing children, sheriff says

OCALA, Fla. (AP) — A Florida mother was fatally shot through the front door of her neighbor’s home while her 9-year-old son stood next to her, a violent culmination of what police said was a 2½-year feud.

Ajike Owens, 35, was fatally shot after going to the Ocala apartment of her neighbor, who earlier had yelled at Owens’ children as they played nearby and threw a pair of skates that hit one of them, Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods said at a news conference Monday.

Deputies responding to a trespassing call at the apartment Friday night found Owens suffering from gunshot wounds. The mother of four was taken to a nearby hospital, where she died. Ocala is about 70 miles (110 kilometers) northwest of Orlando.

“I wish our shooter would have called us instead of taking actions into her own hands,” Woods said. “I wish Ms. Owens would have called us in the hopes we could have never gotten to the point at which we are here today.”

Since January 2021, Woods said, deputies responded at least a half-dozen times in connection with the feuding between Owens and the woman who shot her. The sheriff’s office hasn’t arrested or identified the shooter.

Woods said detectives are working with the State Attorney’s Office and must investigate possible self-defense claims before they can move forward with any possible criminal charges.

The sheriff pointed out that because of Florida’s “stand your ground” law, he can’t legally make an arrest unless he can prove the shooter did not act in self-defense.

Before the shooting, Owens’ children had been playing in a field near the shooter’s apartment. When Owens later confronted the woman at her apartment, an argument ensued, and the woman shot Owens through the front door, according to police.

Civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump, who is representing Owens’ family, said in a statement that the shooter had been yelling racial slurs at the children before the confrontation with their mother. Owens and her children are Black.

The sheriff’s office hasn’t confirmed there were slurs uttered or said whether race was a factor in the shooting.

Woods also said they haven’t interviewed Owens’ children, who witnessed the shooting, because investigators first want child therapists to work with them. Most of the information the deputies have is coming from the shooter, Woods said.

“There was a lot of aggressiveness from both of them, back and forth,” Wood said the shooter told investigators. “Whether it be banging on the doors, banging on the walls and threats being made. And then at that moment is when Ms. Owens was shot through the door.”

Woods was joined at his news conference by community leaders and a local attorney retained by the family, Anthony Thomas. Their singular message was a call for patience while the sheriff’s office conducted its investigation.

During a vigil with the family later Monday, Thomas said the sheriff had promised him the most professional service that he and his deputies could provide, and Thomas plans to hold the agency to that.

During the same gathering, Owens’ mother, Pamela Dias, said that she was seeking justice for her daughter and her grandchildren.

“My daughter, my grandchildren’s mother, was shot and killed with her 9-year-old son standing next to her,” Dias said. “She had no weapon. She posed no imminent threat to anyone.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...iT6wr502sXZmY9bUewaVTcAxxCfuVlNoj6p9_4kc

Of course in states such as Florida when you shoot an unarmed person through the door it might be self defense. I mean you might be sceered!

Muruca!

Can you cite where it is legal in Florida to shoot through a door, especially when you know the person is unarmed? Don't just say "stand your ground". That isn't carte blanche to indiscriminately shoot people. Be specific. Chapter and section of the criminal code in FL.

So you're saying you have to "know they're unarmed"? And as a hint moving forward, purple font indicates sarcasm. You're welcome.

How would you actually know a person is unarmed?

I know what purple font means. I also know how much you hate anyone other than you owning a gun. I understood your intent perfectly.

But please carry on with your panic porn.

Maybe you'll find this helpful. Or maybe not.....

From the article.....


I have no problem with people owning guns. Maybe not so much guns that can fire 30 rounds in a matter of a few seconds. But extremists will spin things they way they wish and the facts be damned.

Yes, that's why you always seem to finish these statements with "murica!" It is a dig. You can't just illegally paste a copyrighted article without taking your own special shots. You continue to hate anyone but you having rights. No one can actually do anything right other than you. You are so much more bester than us.

Boy, 3, dead after accidentally shooting himself in Tennessee

A 3-year-old boy died after he accidentally shot himself in Tennessee over the weekend, police said Monday.

The boy was in a vehicle in Collierville with family members when he found a firearm and shot himself on Saturday afternoon, officials said. He was rushed to a hospital in critical condition and later succumbed to his injuries.

Police have not yet said if an arrest will be made in connection with the boy's death.

Nonprofit Everytown for Gun Safety has documented more than 120 unintentional shootings by children so far this year in the U.S., resulting in 54 deaths and 77 injuries as of May 26.

There have been at least nine unintentional shootings by children, resulting in 2 deaths and 7 injuries in Tennessee, as of May 26, according to the nonprofit.

Pressure to pass gun safety measures has ratcheted up in the state in the wake of the March shooting at The Covenant School in Nashville, which killed three children and three adults. Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, a Republican, signed an executive order in early April to tighten the background check process in the state.

More than half of Tennessee adults have guns in their homes, according to a 2020 study. Everytown has advised the state to "enact responsible gun storage requirements for both vehicles and homes."

A GoFundMe has been set up to help with funeral expenses for the boy who accidentally shot himself, CBS affiliate WREG reported. In the post, family members described the boy as fun, loving and rambunctious. He loved to play basketball and climb.

"This event has completely turned our lives upside down," the GoFundMe organizer wrote. "It was never imaginable and something that we pray that no other family had to experience."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boy-3-...Xm6gdUZJE_IsPohBj4q9dP0YsioC2ltgb6SPWz5A

Gov. Lee has also called for a red flag law to be composed and passed by the Tennessee legislature. But of course as of now, so far nothing has been done on either.

Whoever left this loaded gun where a 3 year could get to it needs to be charged with negligent homicide. But I'm sure some would simply call it a mistake.

If that's the best you can come up with when people post actual things that are happening you have no grounds to stand on. And yes, I use the term "Murica" a lot and it is a dig at some of the crazy things that are going on which so many have no come out of their closets to support. Politicians attacking businesses over opposing political views. Some of the stand your ground laws are just idiotic. Bringing religion into tax payer funded schools is as well. Trump leading the GOP polls is just crazy. So yes, I will point that out. Sorry if that bothers you. Well, actually no I'm not.

Something tells me if a gun wasn't available, a different weapon would have been used.

I'm so glad something told you.

Well I guess law enforcement was finally able to prove enough for the prosecutor to conclude this incident had nothing to do with the stand your ground law that charges were able to be filed...........

After years of threats, a feud ends with a Black mom dead and her white neighbor arrested

The Marion County Sheriff’s Office says a white Florida woman accused of fatally shooting her Black neighbor last week has been arrested

OCALA, Fla. -- A Florida woman accused of fatally shooting her neighbor last week in the violent culmination of what the sheriff described as a 2½-year feud was arrested Tuesday, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office said.

Susan Louise Lorincz, 58, who is white, was arrested on charges of manslaughter with a firearm, culpable negligence, battery and two counts of assault in the death of Ajike Owens, a Black mother of four, Sheriff Billy Woods said in a statement.

Authorities came under pressure Tuesday to arrest and charge the woman who fired through her front door and killed Owens in a case that has put Florida’s divisive stand your ground law back into the spotlight.

In a video posted on Facebook late Tuesday night, the sheriff said this was not a stand your ground case but “simply a killing.”

“Now many of you were struggling to understand why there was not an immediate arrest,” the sheriff said. “The laws here in the state of Florida are clear. Now I may not like them. I may not agree with them. But however, those laws I will follow.”

The video shared by the sheriff's office shows two detectives and a deputy leading down a hallway with her hands behind her back.

Jail records show she was booked, but did not list a lawyer who could speak on her behalf. It wasn't immediately clear when she would make her first court appearance.

Deputies responding to a trespassing call Friday night found Owens with gunshot wounds.

The neighborhood of single-story duplexes and quadruplexes is in the rolling hills outside of Ocala. The area is known for its thoroughbred horse farms, which surround the working-class neighborhood.

Lorincz told investigators that she acted in self-defense, and that Owens, 35, had been trying to break down her door before she fired the gun, the sheriff said. She also told them that Owens had come after her in the past, and had previously attacked her.

Sheriff Woods said the investigation, which included eyewitness statements, established that Lorincz’s actions were not justifiable under Florida law.

On Tuesday, about three dozen protesters, most of them Black, gathered outside the Marion County Judicial Center, demanding the shooter's arrest. The chief prosecutor, State Attorney William Gladson, met with the protesters and urged patience while the investigation continues.

“If we are going to make a case we need as much time and as much evidence as possible,” Gladson said. “I don’t want to compromise any criminal investigation."

Earlier the sheriff had said that because of the stand your ground law he couldn't make an arrest unless he could prove the shooter did not act in self-defense.

In the neighborhood a stuffed teddy bear and bouquets marked the area near where Owens was shot. Nearby, children were riding bikes and scooters, and playing basketball.

Some protesters gathered downtown, chanting “No justice, no peace” and “A.J. A.J. A.J” using Owens’ nickname, on Tuesday afternoon.

The sheriff said Owens was shot moments after going to Lorincz's apartment after she yelled had at Owens' children as they played in a grassy area outside nearby. He also said Lorincz had thrown a pair of skates that hit one of the children.

Before the confrontation, Lorincz had been yelling racial slurs at the children, according to a statement from civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who is representing Owens’ family. He also represented Trayvon Martin's family in 2012, when the Black teenager was killed in a case that drew worldwide attention to the state's stand your ground law.

The sheriff’s office hasn’t confirmed there were slurs uttered or said whether race was a factor in the shooting.

In a statement late Tuesday, Crump said while Owens’ family is “relieved” that an arrest has been made, they remain concerned it has taken this long because “archaic laws like Stand Your Ground exist”

Lauren Smith, 40, lives across the street from where the shooting happened. She was on her porch that day and saw one of Owens' young sons pacing, and yelling, “They shot my mama, they shot my mama.”

She ran toward the house, and started chest compressions until a rescue crew arrived. She said there wasn't an altercation and that Owens didn't have a weapon.

“She was angry all the time that the children were playing out there,” Smith said. “She would say nasty things to them. Just nasty.” Smith, who is white, described the neighborhood is family friendly.

The sheriff said that since January 2021, deputies responded at least a half-dozen calls in connection with what police described as feuding between Owens and Lorincz.

“There was a lot of aggressiveness from both of them, back and forth,” the sheriff said Lorincz told investigators. “Whether it be banging on the doors, banging on the walls and threats being made. And then at that moment is when Ms. Owens was shot through the door.”

“I'm absolutely heartbroken,” Angela Ferrell-Zabala, executive director of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, told The Associated Press. She described the fatal shooting as “so senseless.”

“We’ve seen this again and again across this country,” she said, adding that “it’s really because of lax gun laws and a culture of shoot first.”

Ferrell-Zabala said stand your ground cases are deemed justifiable five times more frequently when a white shooter kills a Black victim.

In 2017, Florida lawmakers shifted the burden of proof from a person claiming self-defense to prosecutors. Before the change in law, prosecutors could charge someone with a shooting, and then defense attorneys would have to present an affirmative defense for why their client shouldn’t be convicted. Now authorities must rule out self-defense before bringing charges.

Stand your ground and “castle doctrine" cases — which allow residents to defend themselves either by law or court precedent when threatened — have sparked outrage amid a spate of shootings across the country.

In April, 84-year-old Andrew Lester, a white man, shot and injured 16-year-old Ralph Yarl, a Black teenager who rang his doorbell in Kansas City. Yarl mistakenly went to the wrong house to pick up his younger siblings. Lester faces criminal charges. At trial, he may argue that he thought someone was trying to break into his house.

Missouri and Florida are among about 30 states that have stand your ground laws.

The most well-known examples of the stand your ground argument came up in the trial of George Zimmerman, who fatally shot Trayvon Martin in 2012.

At a vigil Monday in Ocala, Owens’ mother, Pamela Dias, said that she was seeking justice for her daughter and her grandchildren.

“My daughter, my grandchildren’s mother, was shot and killed with her 9-year-old son standing next to her,” Dias said. “She had no weapon. She posed no imminent threat to anyone.”

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory...7mb6tslu78IEFdwwpbZwMJWCjh9ox0w1n_xCuU1E

Some would call this fake news- Rms Chp 1- 28-31.....explains all.

So the system is working?

We'll have to wait and see what a jury decides first. And I guess if you think police having to prove that shooting through your door to kill someone isn't "stand you ground" and legal first before a prosecutor be can press charges is "working, yeah. I think that's crazy.

The police investigating and turning the case over to the DA for charges is the system is working. I know you think that is crazy, I mean our entire legal system is based on it. You are more of a "I can look at em and tell they are guilty" kinda guy.

Yes, in your world having to prove to a prosecutor that a woman who shot an unarmed woman through her door wasn't doing so in self defense means it's working. I guess to an extent you're right. It's working for some people.

So the police investigated at the scene, turned over their finding to the DA who brings charges, if they are warranted. This is the process in EVERY single case. This is how it works.

But you know what guilty looks like and can just spot it. No need to investigate, no need for a trial. You have the all knowing eye.

No, the sheriff made it clear that it goes much further than that......


A law was actually created that makes law enforcement had to prove that shooting an unarmed person through a door isn't self defense.

So they followed the established legal process that got to the DA charging the shooter? Again, the processed worked.

When the process includes having to convince a prosecutor that someone shooting a person through their door wasn't self defense, something in the "legal process" is seriously flawed. Even you should understand that.

the process always involves convincing the DA that charges need to be brought. Some times this is easier than others.

You must have missed the " law enforcement had to prove that shooting an unarmed person through a door isn't self defense" part.

I did not. You must have missed that law enforcement must show the DA that charges are warranted part. Whatever that involves is what that involves.

Must show that charges are warranted by proving that a person who shoots and kills someone through a closed didn't do it in self defense. That "whatever it involves" part is what has gotten so far out of hand.

Due process is such a pain. Glad COTUS doesn't guarantee that.

It doesn't say that people should be stupid enough to question whether someone shooting through a door and killing someone should be questioned as self defense either. It's amazing to me the things people claim are in the constitution.

You do know that when the police arrive they do so with zero understanding of the situation. Fact finding takes time.

Due process is actually in COTUS. Yet another one of those inconvenient things about having a foundation of government that requires the government answer to the people, not the the other way around.

You can drop the facade about caring about the actually believing in COTUS and the Republic.

This was some redefined meaning of what due process means. It is something that was never seem until recently as law. Nothing about having to prove a person who murders another person by shooting them through a door is contained in the COTUS. All the double talk in the world won't change that.

So, you're against this "redefining" but you're good with the BATFE redefining what a machine gun is?

No it is not. When the police show up they do not know what has happened. They investigate. That's what they do. Keep in mind the presumption of innocence is foundational. Only once the facts emerge do they refer to the DA for charges. This could be a matter of minutes or a matter of months. That is all part of the sam process that has been around for a long time. The minutia may change but the process is pretty baked.

That you don't like it means nothing other than you don't believe in COTUS unless you can use it as a fighting point.