Polensek tells 3News around 300 officers are currently eligible for retirement, with only 22 in the pipeline to replace them. That's on top of the department already being roughly 230 officers short of the more than 1,400 City Hall has budgeted for it. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/l.../95-e062aff9-b170-4fb8-bba4-3446b0987af2
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
This may very well explain at least part of the problem. It's from May of last year......
'We have underpaid compared to other cities': Cleveland Division of Police still losing officers
City Council President Blaine Griffin says a new wave of officers will resign if the city doesn't boost pay.
Griffin is referring to the looming contract talks between the city and the police union, which is asking for a base pay increase and larger annual raises. He says without pay changes, more officers will leave.
"Other cities are poaching our officers on a regular basis," he added. "They come here and make better offers and give signing bonuses."
Just today, the Columbus Police Department was in town recruiting Cleveland officers, dangling far fatter paychecks. It's offering officers with less than five years of experience $67,000 annually, and those with five or more years on the force would be paid a yearly salary of nearly $90,000.
Cleveland pays rookies just $52,000 a year, and officers with more experience make on average $67,300, according to earlier police union statements and testimony before council.
"We have underpaid compared to other cities," Griffin said. "We have underpaid them for what we are asking them to do. I don't know anyone who disagrees with that."
Further discouraging officers in Cleveland and other big cities is the increasingly violent streets and the perception that public support has dropped after high-profile police shootings.
Cleveland faces another recruiting hurdle—Issue 24, an amendment to the city's charter backed by voters in November. It gives some department decisions and discipline of officers to a civilian board.
"We need to make sure we support our officers and we let them know that as a Cleveland City Council, we stand behind them and we stand behind them as the public," Griffin stated. "We appreciate their service, because morale is really down right now."
Cleveland hopes to boost police ranks this year. It's budgeted for 1,640 officers, but the recent recruiting struggles suggest the city will come up way short. Already 220-plus officers below the target, the men and women on the streets are overburdened and at times required to work extended shifts.
Since Jan. 1, 73 officers have left. Many of those just resigned, according to a city spreadsheet detailing departures through April 18. More than 300 officers are eligible for retirement this year, according to testimony during recent budget hearings.
A big pay increase for the police is not a given, the council president says, because Mayor Justin Bibb's budget spends more than it's taking in and relys on federal money to balance the budget (Council, however, signed off on the budget).
Griffin says the city is headed into tough financial times.
"I'm also huge on good government and making sure we don't make promises we can't deliver on," he noted.
Griffin also said he doesn't want to lay off hundreds of police officers because of financial problems, as Cleveland did in the early 2000s.
What "administrative agendas" are there that you claim are causing this? The fact that Cleveland can't get or keep enough cops because they pay well below many other cities due to the fact they can't afford to? Because that was your initial beef here.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
What "administrative agendas" are there that you claim are causing this? The fact that Cleveland can't get or keep enough cops because they pay well below many other cities due to the fact they can't afford to? Because that was your initial beef here.
What "administrative agendas" are there that you claim are causing this? The fact that Cleveland can't get or keep enough cops because they pay well below many other cities due to the fact they can't afford to? Because that was your initial beef here.
My cousin just left CPD a few weeks ago to work for a suburb. He said CPD has 400 officers in the last 2 years.
CPD is a complete disaster right now.
Bad pay & being completed handcuffed on what they are allowed and not allowed to do are major issues.
The only place I can think of that is worse is East Cleveland - I think they pay like 17-23/ hr to get shot it.
It’s National right wing policies that create these types of communities. You know by allowing any cray cray to own an AR. And allowing more guns on the street than there are people.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
It’s National right wing policies that create these types of communities. You know by allowing any cray cray to own an AR. And allowing more guns on the street than there are people.
This is the problem with the news and political bias... they both have agendas to make their followers sound stupid and make mountains out of molehills.
Actual facts: Handguns are the #1 weapon choice and account for about 50% of all murders. (6,368) Handguns account for 28x as many murders as all rifles (including the [fake] assault rifle category). knives account for almost 5x as many murders as rifles. human limbs account for almost 2x as many murders as rifles.
What "administrative agendas" are there that you claim are causing this? The fact that Cleveland can't get or keep enough cops because they pay well below many other cities due to the fact they can't afford to? Because that was your initial beef here.
My cousin just left CPD a few weeks ago to work for a suburb. He said CPD has 400 officers in the last 2 years.
CPD is a complete disaster right now.
Bad pay & being completed handcuffed on what they are allowed and not allowed to do are major issues.
The only place I can think of that is worse is East Cleveland - I think they pay like 17-23/ hr to get shot it.
Cleveland police never really got paid well but they increased pay 7% last year and the overall police budget by $6M this past April. The administration actively made the decision to put money elsewhere, cut the total # of officers on staff from last year AND they can't get anywhere near the ceiling of officers for their budget. The mayor cut police jobs unfulfilled and the force is having serious issues hiring officers, the latter of which the chief said he hasn't seen a hiring problem (of finding interested people) this bad in the 30+ years he has been on the force. The factors referenced in my earlier posts are a big part of the problem and it was warned of straight away. They were right.
As Councilman Polensek said: "It's not an issue about money; it's about recruitment," he asserted. "The money's there."
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Money is a part, but the support from government and local communities is more important. If they don't get that, money doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
Scenes like the one Pit posted make the news. None of the good things make the news.
The bottom line is anyone who thinks defunding police is a good idea are idiots of the greatest magnitude.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Bad pay & being completed handcuffed on what they are allowed and not allowed to do are major issues.
As we have often seen, what police think they should be allowed to do is often times things they shouldn't be doing.
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The only place I can think of that is worse is East Cleveland - I think they pay like 17-23/ hr to get shot it.
And it's a terrible thing that police aren't being paid better. But then one must ask themselves, can Cleveland afford to pay more? Did you ever ask yourself why police salaries vary so much from place to place? Maybe it's the income a city gets from their tax base. A city like Nashville or Columbus can afford to pay more because due to their tax base. Columbus is a hub of tech and has a fairly high pay scale. Nashville is a huge tourist draw. Unlike many cities they are thriving in terms of income based on taxes.
Cities can only pay out according to what they bring in. Or is it your contention that they just don't want to pay their cops? And if so, what do you base that on?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
What "administrative agendas" are there that you claim are causing this? The fact that Cleveland can't get or keep enough cops because they pay well below many other cities due to the fact they can't afford to? Because that was your initial beef here.
Defund the police. Libtard policies.
If you removed libtard from your vocabulary, you would have nothing to post.
To paraphrase a statement made about Rudy, You speak with a noun, verb, and libtard.
I'd hate to be a cop today. I mean, they've always had to walk a bit of a tight rope, but now it's crazy. I mean, damn, when the Party of Law and Order don't like them, it's tough.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Scenes like the one Pit posted make the news. None of the good things make the news.
You're either lying through your teeth or you don't watch the news. I have no idea which one it is.
There are stories every day where cops help people, save lives, help communities. The problem with people such as yourself is you think only the good should be reported and people should ignore the bad.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Ohio officer fired after body cam video shows him release K-9 onto Black man with his hands up
An Ohio officer who earlier this month was captured on body camera footage releasing a K-9 police dog onto a suspect who had his hands up has been fired, officials said Wednesday.
Ryan Speakman, an officer for the Circleville Police Department, has been terminated, effective immediately, the department said in a statement.
"Speakman's actions during the review of his canine apprehension of suspect Jadarrius Rose on July 4 show that Officer Speakman did not meet the standards and expectations we hold for our police officers," the department said.
The Ohio Patrolmen's Benevolent Association said it filed a grievance on Speakman's behalf Tuesday seeking his reinstatement with back pay and restoration of any lost seniority. The grievance asserted he was fired "without just cause."
Circleville is located about 30 miles south of Columbus.
Recently released body camera footage showed Speakman releasing the K-9 onto the 23-year-old Rose despite commands from at least one Ohio State Highway Patrol trooper to stop the dog. The dog was released as Rose, who is Black, appeared to be surrendering after a chase.
Speakman had been placed on paid administrative leave as the department's Use of Force Review Board investigated the incident. The review board determined that the department's policy for the use of canines was followed in the apprehension and arrest, police said.
In addition, Shallow Creek Kennels Inc., the Pennsylvania-based police service dog training facility that trained the dog involved in the incident, affirmed that its training protocols were followed, according to police.
State troopers said they were attempting to inspect a semi-truck on U.S. Route 23 in Ohio when they noticed a missing rear mud flap. Rose, the truck's driver, didn't pull over, leading to a pursuit.
Eventually, Rose did stop, but when officers exited their vehicles with guns drawn, he pulled away, tearing his left tire by speeding through a spike strip, effectively ending the chase.
Body cam footage showed Rose then exiting the vehicle and seemingly complying with officers' instructions, with his hands up. A state trooper can be heard telling the local Circleville police not to release their K-9 onto Rose, saying, "Do not release the dog with his hands up! Do not release the dog with his hands up!"
Despite at least one warning, an officer, later identified as Speakman, released the dog and it bit Rose, holding its grip for over 30 seconds while Rose screamed for officers to intervene.
Rose was later jailed for three days before being released.
On Tuesday, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine called the incident "a lesson, a wake-up call to everyone that police training in the state of Ohio is not equal."
"Our big police departments, our big cities, certainly Ohio State Highway Patrol, they're excellently trained," DeWine told reporters. "When you get to smaller departments, they may not have the resources to have that training that's needed."
Circleville police addressed the governor's comments Wednesday, saying that "while we certainly respect Gov. DeWine's views and are always ready to discuss how to improve police training, Circleville's canine teams of dogs and officers are trained and certified to meet current Ohio Peace Officer Training Commission-recognized standards."
It seems as though at least to this point the incident is being addressed quickly which is what needs to be done to help restore people's trust in the police.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Scenes like the one Pit posted make the news. None of the good things make the news.
You're either lying through your teeth or you don't watch the news. I have no idea which one it is.
There are stories every day where cops help people, save lives, help communities. The problem with people such as yourself is you think only the good should be reported and people should ignore the bad.
The problem with people like you is you only report the bad until the good supports your argument. Then you turn an argument inside-out when it is you that only reports one side.
Scenes like the one Pit posted make the news. None of the good things make the news.
You're either lying through your teeth or you don't watch the news. I have no idea which one it is.
There are stories every day where cops help people, save lives, help communities. The problem with people such as yourself is you think only the good should be reported and people should ignore the bad.
The problem with people like you is you only report the bad until the good supports your argument. Then you turn an argument inside-out when it is you that only reports one side.
I was commenting on your comment about him... not the media. Nice try though.
"Reported", when responding to him was concerning his comment about the news media. You diverted comments about how the media reports about the police into something all together different. For future reference I'm not the media. I'm not the one who made some crazy comment that the media only reports bad things about the police. Once again, I'm not the media and I'm not the one making the false claim that the media doesn't report on positive stories about the police. Nice try though.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
View it as a recruiting problem. Find out why they aren't applying and address those problems.
Is it pay? They can do something about that by offering signing bonus money or higher pay.
Is it location? Nothing can be done.....We ain't moving the city to Arizona
Is it safety and/or Training? Can and should be addressed..
Would love to hear what the problems are.
Maybe people don't want to walk that tight rope you talked about in your previous post. I mentioned it in my earlier post. I think support is the big problem. They are kind of in a damned you do position or damned you don't. It's hard to work in a situation where it is hard to win.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Scenes like the one Pit posted make the news. None of the good things make the news.
You're either lying through your teeth or you don't watch the news. I have no idea which one it is.
There are stories every day where cops help people, save lives, help communities. The problem with people such as yourself is you think only the good should be reported and people should ignore the bad.
I was commenting more on a national scale. No doubt local news throws up bits here and there. As for what I think, you are way off base.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
View it as a recruiting problem. Find out why they aren't applying and address those problems.
Is it pay? They can do something about that by offering signing bonus money or higher pay.
Is it location? Nothing can be done.....We ain't moving the city to Arizona
Is it safety and/or Training? Can and should be addressed..
Would love to hear what the problems are.
Maybe people don't want to walk that tight rope you talked about in your previous post. I mentioned it in my earlier post. I think support is the big problem. They are kind of in a damned you do position or damned you don't. It's hard to work in a situation where it is hard to win.
Support has got to be a true problem. No respect for police anymore. I'm not sure what can be done about that. You do have cops that are just "Bad" at being cops. Those give the good cop a bad name. If this were a company I was in charge of, I'd set out to weed out those bad apples and replace them with better humans. Not sure that's even practical, but that would be my attempt.
I'd also employ more technology.
But, thats a discussion for another day.
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
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