Speaking of rap. A lot of that has been incorporated into what they call country music these days. I think there's good and bad in many genres of music. Much like yourself I'm not really into rap at all. But I won't sit here and say it's bad. It just came after my time so it was something I never really got into. I mean other than the original rap song which was actually done by and then the genre was ripped off from Aerosmith. Walk This Way. But I try to put things into context. My dad didn't understand or like my music. So is the next generation of music something I'm actually supposed to understand and like? What I'm going to say next will seem sacrilegious to many rock fans but the entire "sex, drugs & R&R" theme of most 80's hair bands I despised. And bands who based their entire careers on three chords like KISS and AC/Dc were bands I never liked either.
The one thing I think that pleased me the most about 80's rock was when Ozzy came back as a solo artist. The lyrical content of his songs combined with the fantastic guitar work of Randy Rhoads was a refreshing breath of air at the time.
There are artists in both genres I certainly do like. Sturgill Simpson is one such artist as well as Chris Stapleton. But once again, Chris Stapleton is more of a blues artist than a country artist but has gotten swallowed up in the latest version of what country radio is telling us is country. Then a band I really like is Blackberry Smoke. They're more of a throw back southern rock band and nobody plays them on the radio.
I REALLY like Billy Strings but he is actually a bluegrass musician and not country.
My favorite country music artist of all time is Waylon Jennings. Followed very closely by George Strait.
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I'm not sure you were paying attention to the board at the time. What most everyone describes as liberals on this board down to every single poster, felt in terms of those summer riots that everyone has the right to protest peacefully. But once you cross the line to violence and criminal activity you should be arrested and tried for your crimes. That's not the picture you portray at all. Sometimes perception is not the reality.
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Yes you could have expanded your rant since a rant is already what you were posting. But at the same time I'm not saying you're wrong.
One thing I will say is what country radio is passing off today as country music now isn't country music at all for the most part. There are still a few actual country artists getting some air play but that number has dwindled significantly.
The thing is, music changes. Look at rock. As far as I am concerned, the rock hall might as well close the membership list, but they keep inducting all sorts of non rockers. I listen to what I like and reject the rest.
I don't need to listen to many rap songs..actually even parts of to know I think it sucks, but I am not going to judge those who do and deem them urban thugs who promote violence and demean women. If that is what some like, so be it.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I think you brought up something that even further demonstrates my point. Both rap and R&B artists make no claims they are rock groups. They distinguish themselves as being rap or R&B artists for that very reason. As such I think they deserve their own HOF to recognize their art forms. But the industry does not. As such the music industry has dictated that they all be lumped into one. I think that dilutes all of these genres.
But you are right that music changes. And that sounds fine on the surface. But to me what that doesn't mean is that Chris Stapleton is a country artist. He is most certainly a blues artist. It doesn't mean Billy Strings is a country music artist. He is clearly a bluegrass artist. It doesn't mean that rap is now country because they tell you it is.
What people are doing is what they've always done. They're allowing the music industry to dictate what a genre now includes and doesn't include. Which makes sense from the industry standpoint. As the older generation dies off you must make your music attractive to younger audiences. You must attract a new market. So what they convince you of is that country isn't country anymore and suddenly rap is now country, blues is now country, pop is now country and bluegrass is now country.
But I have an uncle in the mountains of Kentucky that taught me something very valuable as a child. He taught me to be careful of what people call things and what they try and tell you things are. Because as he said, someone can tell you a hog is steer. But once you bite into that ham when you thought you were biting into a rump roast, you know damned well they were lying to you.
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Sturgill Simpson, Greensky Bluegrass, Billie Strings, Chris Stapleton, BlackBerry Smoke, Willie Nelson, Dale Watson… I could go on and on listing talented country acts. What passes as today’s corporate country pop is straw hat hot garbage.
If you want to know what I think if corporate country do a YouTube search for Bo Burnham, country music. It’s pretty spot on with my thoughts.
Arch… no I’m not better than those I’ve left behind in my small town, but I am more traveled. With that, more empathetic of the bigger world. If you haven’t left your zip code how can you have any kind of real world, world view? I saw how those I grew up with treated those that were different. It wasn’t as ‘all inclusive’ as some think small towns are. I assure you of this.
So, as I said earlier: You like the music you like. That's fine. But you also feel the need to demean the music you don't like. That's NOT fine. Don't demean the music, or the people that like it. It makes you look like a snob - and I'll stop there, as I have relatives that live in Seattle. Snobby isn't even appropriate for them.
If I haven't left my zipcode???????????? Seriously? California, New York, Hawaii, Florida, Arkansas, Tennessee, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, North Dakota, Washington, Washington DC, South Carolina, Vermont, Arizona, Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia, Colorado, and probably some I'm forgetting.
Also, I've been to Germany, Greece, and Kenya as well as Canada, and Mexico. I'm fairly well travelled. So trust me, dude, I've been out of my zipcode, and your insinuation that I haven't is just more proof you think you're better than others. Period.
I didn’t mean to infer you haven’t left your zip code. I meant many I left in small town Ohio haven’t. Others in other small towns all across America haven’t. Many have world views that reflect just that.
I consider you one of the good ones.
I trash music I don’t like. Hair metal, bubblegum pop, Britney to Beiber and all the dreck in between. It’s vapid noise. Typically written by others. It’s over produced, heavily marketed, and vastly hollow. Swift to Aldean… and much in between. Sorry not sorry. You can rag on my music all you like. At least they play their instruments and write their own music.
Did you know that "Try that in a small town" was NOT written by aldean? He sang it. Released in May of 2023. I believe it was the View (might be wrong on that) that first brought it to attention.
And as far as "many in small towns haven't left..........." That would be true, maybe truer, of city folk.
And while they may be true, I believe those that live in big cities generally have a bigger world view brought on by living in a more diverse community.
No surprise that Aldean didn’t write that song. As bad as it is my guess it’s better than anything he could do on his own. He’s a record label’s puppet dressed like Woody from Toy Story.
The song was meant to incite the continuance of just that.
In reality it affects me none. If people want to listen to corporate country, go for it. I won’t have to compete for concert tickets with them at my shows. It’s a win for me.
Same here. The last show I went to see was Joe Bonamassa. Next on my list is the Tedeschi Trucks Band. They're both popular but not a Taylor Swift popular. I understand that the song was meant to stir emotions up in people. I won't go as far to use the word incite as you did but I do see where you might reach that conclusion. But then I think back to songs I liked in my earlier years and still do. They too evoked strong emotions from those of us that grew up in such an environment. A lot of country music has always been based on emotion and emotional responses. I don't see that as anything new or different.
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I do not think it was meant to “incite” anything. Interesting that while you clearly saw a bunch of punks, thugs and morons just being themselves, the only race I could Id among them was a white woman. Guys like you invent racism where it does not exist.
I thought the song was sending a simple, straightforward message. You may get away with that violence in Portland, but bring it to our small town and we will kick your ass, load you in the back of a pickup and dump you outside the city limits. Cities that let these thugs take over are responsible for the damage they did, at least partly. Maybe some big towns ought to start sending a similar message. Violence will not be tolerated!!
Somehow in your zeal to disagree with him you helped him prove his point. You do know the meaning of vigilante justice don't you? You do understand that's illegal and criminal, correct?
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Still haven’t heard the song yet. Maybe I will once some EDM/Trance remixes drop.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Well , pit, I think I know what vigilantism is not. It is not law abiding citizens encountering thugs doing violent criminal acts to people or property and acting to put a stop to it. That is not vigilantism. Ifthe thugs resist then the citizens should do what is necessary. I was sorta kidding about dumping the criminals out of town, just drop them off at the jail. That is being a good citizen, not a vigilante.
I cannot help but wonder if some of the good citizens of Minneapolis, Kenosha, Portland or Seattle wouldn’t have appreciated citizens intervening when criminal thugs were burning, looting and assaulting. I think ceding the streets to violent thugs is a mistake, should not happen.
You certainly have the right to defend your own property and yourself against people doing harm in a criminal manner. As far as just going out to confront people, round them up and "kick their ass", you most certainly do not. That is the very definition of vigilante justice. How I feel about the actions you describe doesn't change what it is.
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Big difference between being country as hell and being redneck. I was raised on a country boy can survive. And the issues he was talking about, MOST Americans agree with. Johnson Aiden is a punk ass redneck, anybody with a brain can see he’s not about to do any of that crap he says in that song. But I firmly believe Charlie Daniels would put you down for breaking into his home while his family was asleep. So would both of us. If you don’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
Lyrics I ain't nothin' but a simple man They call me a redneck I reckon that I am But there's things goin' on that make me mad down to the core I have to work like a dog to make ends meet There's crooked politicians and crime in the street And I'm madder than hell, and I ain't a-gonna take it no more We tell our kids, "Just say no" And then some panty-waist judge lets a drug dealer go Slaps him on the wrist and he turns him back out on the town But if I had my way with people sellin' dope Take a big tall tree and a short piece of rope I'd hang 'em up high and let them swing 'til the sun goes down Well, you know what's wrong with the world today People done gone and put their Bibles away They're livin' by the law of the jungle, not the law of the land Well, the Good Book says it so I know it's the truth An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth You better watch where you go and remember where you been That's the way I see it, I'm a simple man Now I'm the kinda man who wouldn't harm a mouse But if I catch somebody breakin' in my house I got a 12-gauge shotgun waitin' on the other side So don't go pushin' me against my will I don't want to have to fight you but I dern sure will If you don't want trouble then you'd better just pass me on by As far as I'm concerned, there ain't no excuse For the rapin' and the killin' and the child abuse But I've got a way to put an end to all that fast You just take them rascals out in the swamp Put 'em on their knees and tie 'em to a stump Let the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest Well, you know what's wrong with the world today People done gone and put their Bibles away They're livin' by the law of the jungle, not the law of the land Well, the Good Book says it so I know it's the truth An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth You better watch where you go and remember where you been That's the way I see it, I'm a simple man Watch where you go and remember where you been That's the way I see it, I'm a simple man Source: Musixmatch
Lets see here. He is talking about stringing folks up from a tree ...And then some panty-waist judge lets a drug dealer go Slaps him on the wrist and he turns him back out on the town But if I had my way with people sellin' dope Take a big tall tree and a short piece of rope I'd hang 'em up high and let them swing 'til the sun goes down.
Then he tells you that your wrong for not following your Bible...
Well, you know what's wrong with the world today People done gone and put their Bibles away They're livin' by the law of the jungle, not the law of the land Well, the Good Book says it so I know it's the truth An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth You better watch where you go and remember where you been That's the way I see it, I'm a simple man.
Now lets throw in some real VIGILANTE action here as well.
As far as I'm concerned, there ain't no excuse For the rapin' and the killin' and the child abuse But I've got a way to put an end to all that fast You just take them rascals out in the swamp Put 'em on their knees and tie 'em to a stump Let the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest.
Yep there sure is a difference between the two songs. One promotes lynchings, vigilantism, and following your Bible, and you claim it's OK.
now take this song which you and some others are all upset about, and notice no mention on lynching, murderering folks, vigalantism, or even the Bible yet you HATE it. LMAO Here are the lyrics for you.
Lyrics Sucker punch somebody on a sidewalk Carjack an old lady at a red light Pull a gun on the owner of a liquor store Ya think it's cool, well, act a fool if ya like Cuss out a cop, spit in his face Stomp on the flag and light it up Yeah, ya think you're tough Well, try that in a small town See how far ya make it down the road Around here, we take care of our own You cross that line, it won't take long For you to find out, I recommend you don't Try that in a small town Got a gun that my granddad gave me They say one day they're gonna round up Well, that [censored] might fly in the city, good luck Try that in a small town See how far ya make it down the road Around here, we take care of our own You cross that line, it won't take long For you to find out, I recommend you don't Try that in a small town Full of good ol' boys, raised up right If you're looking for a fight Try that in a small town Try that in a small town Try that in a small town See how far ya make it down the road Around here, we take care of our own You cross that line, it won't take long For you to find out, I recommend you don't Try that in a small town Try that in a small town Ooh-ooh Try that in a small town
Big difference between being country as hell and being redneck. I was raised on a country boy can survive. And the issues he was talking about, MOST Americans agree with. Johnson Aiden is a punk ass redneck, anybody with a brain can see he’s not about to do any of that crap he says in that song. But I firmly believe Charlie Daniels would put you down for breaking into his home while his family was asleep. So would both of us. If you don’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
I don't know I have seen him on Buck Commander multiple times and he seems to shot shotguns and rifles very well.
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Still haven’t heard the song yet. Maybe I will once some EDM/Trance remixes drop.
Bro- don't wait. You should 'get your funk, uncut.'
It will be like reading the novel before you see the movie.
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OK... I've ignored this material long enough. I'm going in. Gonna check me out some 'Pop Music Under a Cowboy Hat.' Challenge time, Swish: I invite you to join me. Because I'm going in...
Music made in the American Roots Tradition. Songs of protest. Songs of pain. Songs that resonate in others. Songs that tell of true Human stories. Songs about Life.
Just like Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, et al.
I'm a fan, if not an aficionado.
This type of Music is an important thread in the rich and layered tapestry we call Culture. It speaks beyond its moment, and it speaks beyond its immediate message. It is part of a continuum of Human Expression that has persisted throughout mankind's time on this planet. Music of The Folk is the story of us.
I live for this s#. I live to explore how Music moves Mankind.
This is how one DT poster feels about this song. I can't wait to hear what others think.
I finally gave it a listen this morning, after several snippets and references in the daily news cycle. I struggled to understand how it had already become politicized, so I read the lyrics searching for that 'a ha moment' the vultures must have seized onto... nothin'.
It's raw and honest. In a simple elegance, it states clearly what a large part of America is feeling, regardless of color or creed. It's not red or blue; it's a red, white and blue anthem for the people. From an artist that seems to stand true to his conviction -- until we conquer this together, we'll willingly remain apart.
Sadly, the tingling message of hope it invokes, by stating clearly the problem, can't betray the hopelessness of the situation.
Where music is concerned, I'm moved by passion. This piece packs it into every line. If you're (read: anybody) trying to make it political, you're trying way too hard. And the irony of those that do isn't lost on most of us.
TBH my political hairs stood straight up on my neck when I first listened… Reason: I thought it was bashing the Biden economy, and I for one see “Bidenomics” as working, and working for the small guy even if it doesn’t always seem to be. However I listened again, to each word, and found nothing objectionable, and felt much like Clem by that point. I too love this type of music. This gave me Woody Guthrie/CCR vibes.
I think that there is a spot of Music in your post, Clem. As a child of the Nam era, it rings of Dylan and others. You have the Context other Youngers may lack, so it speaks louder to a generation anchored in Transcendentalism. This Music is bigger, deeper, touches us there. You said it beautifully. Carry on, my wayward sons! Gonna grab The Weight and head back to Alice's Restaurant (You can get anything you want!)! Spot on.
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“People in the music industry give me blank stares when I brush off eight million dollar offers. I don’t want six tour buses, 15 tractor trailers and a jet. I don’t want to play stadium shows, I don’t want to be in the spotlight,” he wrote. “I wrote the music I wrote because I was suffering with mental health and depression. These songs have connected with millions of people on such a deep level because they’re being sung by someone feeling the words in the very moment they were being sung. No editing, no agent, no [censored]. Just some idiot and his guitar. The style of music that we should have never gotten away from in the first place.”
If true it's impressive. I would however love to see the eight million dollar offers he's refused first. I've never actually heard of a virtual unknown being offered anything close to that. It seems conservatives have turned on him and even think his accent is fake.
Conservatives turn on Oliver Anthony after his real accent is revealed in interview
After belting out his complaints about welfare recipients eating fudge rounds and making QAnon-adjacent allegations about politicians sex trafficking children, conservative darling Oliver Anthony has come under fire from his right-wing fan base for allegedly faking his accent.
Mr Anthony's song Rich Men North of Richmond — a reference to politicians living in Washington DC — became a viral hit among conservative audiences last week. After right-wing commenters on social media praised it for its raw and "real" messaging, they seem to have turned on Mr Anthony after a video emerged showing his "real" accent is not a twangy Appalachian one.
Infuriating conservatives even further is the fact that Mr Anthony also praised diversity as the US's main strength.
During a Fox News interview, Mr Anthony — who grew up in North Carolina — speaks with what sounds like a typical American accent.
“I mean, we are the melting pot of the world,” Mr Anthony told the interviewer in the video, “and that’s what makes us strong, is our diversity, and we need to learn to harness that and appreciate it, and not use it as a political tool to keep everyone separate from each other you know?”
An X user, whose pinned tweet has links to videos praising a leader of the American Nazi Party called Mr Anthony an "algorithm boosted 'based' red beard hillbilly song guy" who was "faking his accent."
The user also took offence to the fact the singer said that "diversity is our strength."
And they were not the only one lashing out at Mr Anthony. One user said he was trying to "become a rich man north of Richmond," while another came to a conclusion that many of Mr Anthony's left-wing critics already voiced; that he was an industry plant meant to enrapture Republican consumers starving for conservative media.
“These companies are testing the waters to see if they can create fake Republican singers to make more money off the Republican demographic,” user LomzLomz wrote. “And it works people don't see the bigger picture there is no invisible hand of the CIA only corporate string.”
Popular Twitter commenter KrangTNelson found the conservatives' swift reversal entertaining.
"Conservatives got a hold of a clip of the astroturfed country song guy saying America is a 'melting pot' and now he's f****** cancelled. Also potentially a CIA agent," they wrote.
Another user pointed out how conservatives insisting there was nothing inherently classist or racist about Mr Anthony's song immediately turned on him for not being racist enough.
“I love how they’ve spent the last couple weeks insisting there’s nothing racist about the neo-Confederate welfare queen song but the moment the singer expresses support for a racially integrated society he gets cancelled for being woke,” a user with the handle Capricoda said.
Despite the song's number 1 status on country charts that take in streaming numbers, the song is getting virtually no airplay, according to an analysis conducted by Variety Magazine.
So, a liberal hit-piece sporting the antics of four Twitter users? "Conservatives turning on Oliver Anthony" Can't make this stuff up!
But I try to put things into context. My dad didn't understand or like my music. So is the next generation of music something I'm actually supposed to understand and like? What I'm going to say next will seem sacrilegious to many rock fans but the entire "sex, drugs & R&R" theme of most 80's hair bands I despised. And bands who based their entire careers on three chords like KISS and AC/Dc were bands I never liked either. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/small-gator-chomp.gif)
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