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Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
Breaking: Free agent DT Shelby Harris is signing with the #Browns, per sources.

Harris was with the #Seahawks last season after being included in the Russell Wilson trade. Highly productive player whose racked up 24.5 sacks and 40 TFLs in his career.

Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
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Sources: Max value of $5.25M for Shelby Harris to the #Browns.

I’m really happy by this news.

More Beef to stop the Run, good acquisition ...

I believe this is a good signing at this point in the year. He seems to be a good fit for a Jim Schwartz Defense. Good job Mr Berry.

A gaping hole is filled. Been frustrating seeing DBs, OTs and LBs signed and nothing happening on the interior of the d-line.

Quality piece to add to the DT rotation.

Yes I was hoping for this! Good job AB!!!!!

I think it's as good of a signing as possible right now. Fills a glaring need with a proven player.

Breathe...lol

With the Jerome Ford hip injury,... rb....

D'Ernest Johnson better not clear waivers in Jacksonville not even for a second,
not even if there are 44,000 players released on the same day.

b/c you don't know what you had until it's gone, and if you're the Browns,

can they tell the difference between Forbes and Lamm,
Ogunjobi and Elliott, other examples.

Seems like a solid signing...

Yes and no. It add's a decent to good starter, which is a good move. Decent meaning a NFL average starter, which is good enough. That means he is going to play to at least a draw most of the time against the guard.

We still don't have a rotation. I don't count any of the other DT's as rotational guys. They are inferior. I don't want Togiai or Elliott filling in for anybody. They get beat like a rented mule.

Ika, he might fill the bill but as a rook, I don't want to count on that. He may be good, but we thought that about the other guys when they were drafted.

My hope is Berry still brings in a decent vet...maybe a camp cut, maybe trade a pick for a guy who is possibly a borderline guy on another team. The guy who might be a victim of a youth movement.

I am not expecting a star. Just a decent player. I want a rotation of 4 guys, guys who don't include names like Elliott or Togiai, and or include a rook...thought the rook has a chance to be a pretty good player.

DT isn't a position where you can nurture and develop over time like a QB. QB may even require that. DT isn't like that. 2 years is all it really takes. You can tell in that time if they have it or don't. Then you can develop that. You can't teach how to fight in a phone booth. Either you can or you can't.

For you younger folks, look up phone booth on google since there are no more phone booths. They pretty much went away in the late 70's.

And that is what this team needs.

We have a chance to win. We need more proven players and forget about the fools gold.

Once you know a player doesn't have it, at minimum move on to some other fools gold. The NFL isn't like some other sports where you have the league's where you can try to develop players. Some guys might get a couple of years, but when you are in the "show" you have to be able to be the next man up.

Please clarify...

Are you saying Schwartz went around AB to sign Harris?

I think the inference is that AB typically doesn’t sign older vets. Maybe Schwartz had some influence to change that mindset.

^^ This.

Schwartz has enough influence to where "guardrails" take a back seat to his experience.

This is a great signing. He's been productive and relatively healthy most of his career. I saw his name floated a bit and hoped to sign him

Quality player

We truly do date ourselves with certain references, don't we?
BTW: "fight in a phone booth" is pretty much the perfect analogy for that job-

oobs...It comes down to 'priorities'...

...do we want to see the Browns defense improve..?

...Or...are some more concerned about strictly following some pre-established rules and limits produced by upper management, limiting a coaches ability build a defense based on his own football experience playing and coaching in the NFL?

sounds like nobody else offered more than us

Is this a trick question? I know which one i am leaning towards . . .

Yes, perhaps. I think I saw it was one year at $5.25 MM. That's not crazy.

agreed. it's a good deal

Dear Lord man. Where do you come up with this crap? Schwartz lacks the authority and possibly even lacks the ability to write and offer a player a contract. Your theory reads like something out of The Twilight Zone. I'm sure Schwartz had a say in his desire to sign him. But you are taking a leap of epic proportions here.

Schwartz doesn't and lacks the authority to write contracts. That's done via the Browns legal department. Are you trying to make some crazy claim that Schwartz can circumvent AB and direct the legal department to write a players contract? Seriously, I just want to see how far down this rabbit hole you're willing to crawl to.

j/c

I think the guardrails (that no one really knows) were much more applicable to the draft than otherwise;

While the guardrails appeared to also be applicable to veterans (because it sure looked that way until recently) I think that changed when the FO landed their FQB;

I also think that as the team started building depth, the guardrails in the draft were also loosened...however maybe not as much as the veteran market.

Just my $.02

You're in left field.

Schwartz didn't, and can't, sign anyone.
He may have asked Berry to get this guy, but Berry signed him. Berry makes roster decisions, not any of the coaches.

I'm sorry it has come to this, but if you liked the move, you actually have to give props to MoneyBallMan.

You can't "sign" a player without a contract. Don't blame me for calling you on what you yourself posted. If what you MEANT TO SAY was that Schwartz has been given leverage in getting the players he wants that may be true. I'm sure that negotiations were made to get him to be the DC here and that may have been part of it. But if you think former DC's didn't have input into players they wanted as well I think that's rather faulty logic.

What I think has happened is, as you can obviously see by the spending and cap rollover from year to year, is that the Browns as an organization hoarded money to build a "team" once they felt they had a QB where they could actually make a run at the SB. We watched year after year where the Browns were "thrifty" for a lack of a better word, to position themselves to have an enormous amount to spend when they felt the time was right.

As such they didn't often times go out and sign players to big contracts to the point they couldn't continue to build a stash to spend when they felt the time was right. That's what we're seeing. Schwartz isn't going out and "signing players" which is what you posted.

I'm quite sure once the Browns explained their plan to him it made the job as DC of the Browns look much more attractive to him.

I stand by my original posts...
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[color:#FFFFCC]Originally Posted by mac
Slowly, we see the influence of one football coach who was hired by Haslam to fix the defense, Defensive coordinator, Jim Schwartz.

Schwartz is operating under his own guidelines, signing Shelby Harris, a 31 yr old veteran defensive tackle.

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oobs writes...Please clarify...

Are you saying Schwartz went around AB to sign Harris?

oobs...It comes down to 'priorities'...

...do we want to see the Browns defense improve..?

...Or...are some more concerned about strictly following some pre-established rules and limits produced by upper management, limiting a coaches ability build a defense based on his own football experience playing and coaching in the NFL?

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Thanks.

I think you mistook my sarcasm for an honest question.

I know that a DC does not select/negotiate with FAs, much less sign them to a contract and I know that you know that.

So, to me, it's funny that you still can't bring yourself to give our GM any credit for a signing (his and job, and only his). A good signing can't be because of our GM, so it must be because of the DC we just brought in.