So scoring points doesn't help your team win? Those two statements mean pretty much the same thing. All you and some others are attempting to do is dissect the verbiage. When you have a predetermined mind set of what you will find, you will find it.
Originally Posted by jfanent
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by jfanent
Originally Posted by Clemdawg
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Nick Chubb is my all-time favorite football player. Not only is he arguably the best back in the league, he is the very image of humility. He scores and gives the ball to the ref and joins his teammates to celebrate, no choreographed touchdown celebration. He doesn't strike a 'look at me' pose when he makes a good play, he doesn't taunt or bark at his opponents.
I still remember that little iso clip of he and Kareem on the bench.
Kareem Hunt: "I wanna get a touchdown!" Nick Chubb: "I wanna get a win."
Not a knock on Kareem; just another example of how class and consistent Nick is.
It actually was OBJ that said "I wanna score a touchdown". Such a telling bit about both players.
Yeah, scoring a TD wouldn't be helping your team win. People search so hard to make issues out of nothing sometimes. Then will ignore far more glaring issues on the other hand.
Yeah, that's what I said. If you don't see the glaring difference between the mindsets of Nick Chubb and OBJ, you need help. I've never seen someone so consistently hell bent on trying to create an argument.
Damn you Jfan, you put Pit in "you see" mode! Now he's going to spend the day Pit 'splaining!!
I already explained it in a way that anyone can understand. Your offensive play makers are supposed to want to score when they touch the ball. If they don't they should become a used car salesman.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I already explained it in a way that anyone can understand. Your offensive play makers are supposed to want to score when they touch the ball. If they don't they should become a used car salesman.
And yet, "you see", nobody needs to understand the value of scoring touchdowns. That is not, and has never been, the argument with this very special OBJ microcosm. You've jumped on it, every time it's been mentioned, and tried to explain touchdowns to everyone.
This is the example of the "Me, me, me, MEEEE!" that we've always seen from him.
His congratulatory remarks to a teammate were "I want to score a touchdown".
We DO NOT need to understand the value of touchdowns to make a judgement about that little gem.
That little gem as you call it, simply vocalized his desire to score a TD. Which is what he got paid to do. Just because some of you wish to put some negative spin on that is a you problem.
He vocalized that he wanted to do what he's getting paid to do. What a terrible thing!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
If OBJ were running down the sidelines with the ball, a minute or 2 left in the 4th up 10-7, with no tacklers between him the and endzone... do you think he'd run straight into the endzone or slow down and step out of bounds at the 1?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
He was comparing the situation directly to when Chubb did it. Houston had no timeouts. While sliding down at the 1 would have been better, running out of bounds was in no way stupid -- it sealed the game. Scoring the TD would not have sealed the game.
If OBJ were running down the sidelines with the ball, a minute or 2 left in the 4th up 10-7, with no tacklers between him the and endzone... do you think he'd run straight into the endzone or slow down and step out of bounds at the 1?
It seems you wish to make an exception to the rule the rule itself. I already stated there are certain times and certain situations that a player would not go for the end zone. But as a general rule when an offensive play maker touches the ball his goal is to score a TD. You're asking someone to make a guess based on what they "think, feel or believe" which means nothing but their own perception.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
well, let's hope for good news on the injury front. Don't love reading that stuff
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
but it is good to hear that our D was formidable ... I remember last year they got gashed vs Philly
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Eliot Shorr-Parks @EliotShorrParks #Eagles v Browns W/L Practice Verdict:
Surprised how much the offense struggled. Offensive didn’t get much of anything going. Had 1-2 deep completions but honestly I think they were sacks in a game. Hurts didn’t have much time to work from the pocket
On defense they definitely got to Watson a few times but lots of open receivers. Best deep pass of the day was by Watson.
Also surprising how the Browns seemed to be the more energized team. Last year in CLE it was Eagles. Browns came into this practice fired up.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
If OBJ were running down the sidelines with the ball, a minute or 2 left in the 4th up 10-7, with no tacklers between him the and endzone... do you think he'd run straight into the endzone or slow down and step out of bounds at the 1?
It seems you wish to make an exception to the rule the rule itself. I already stated there are certain times and certain situations that a player would not go for the end zone. But as a general rule when an offensive play maker touches the ball his goal is to score a TD. You're asking someone to make a guess based on what they "think, feel or believe" which means nothing but their own perception.
No.
I'm asking a (mostly) rhetorical question. There's no doubt in most people's minds that OBJ would run that ball in for a TD. Chubb wouldn't/didn't because he wants to seal the win. It's the unspoken, on-field translation of that audio clip. Sometimes people say the quiet part out loud, so to speak.
So no... my question was a slightly different angle on the discussion around that audio clip and what it represents.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
if Conklin is out (or gets hurt per usual), Jones will be in there quickly
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I'm asking a (mostly) rhetorical question. There's no doubt in most people's minds that OBJ would run that ball in for a TD. Chubb wouldn't/didn't because he wants to seal the win. It's the unspoken, on-field translation of that audio clip. Sometimes people say the quiet part out loud, so to speak.
So no... my question was a slightly different angle on the discussion around that audio clip and what it represents.
Then let's actually be real here. Once again an offensive play makers job is to score TD's. Vocalizing that a player wants to score a TD is not bad or wrong.
And you do know that the coaching staff actually has a job to do, right? Since it was a running play in this instance, you don't think the coaching staff explained to Chubb the situation and told him he should go down rather than take the ball into the end zone? Do you think a coaching staff just leaves it to chance that a player with all of the adrenaline rushing is going to think about that in the moment? If so what role do you think a coaching staff plays in this situation?
I feel had it have been a passing play the coaching staff would have told the WR's and TE's the same thing and that all of them, including OBJ would have followed those instructions. As I said before, I believe fans base their opinions on their feelings and don't actually think things through. It's the coaching staffs job to keep the players informed in such situations. i believe they did and Chubb followed those instructions the same way OBJ would have.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The players' job (offensive and defensive) is to help win games. Usually for an offensive player that means score TD's but sometimes it's a play that doesn't show up on (or even works against) their stat sheet. OBJ is about the stat sheet because that draws eyes and $$.
This is perfectly encapsulated in the clip we were originally talking about, but for some reason you want to ignore what's clearly there and go to bat for a guy that's not only no longer on the team, but bulldozed his way out. I don't understand why there's an argument to something so blatant.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
The players' job (offensive and defensive) is to help win games. Usually for an offensive player that means score TD's but sometimes it's a play that doesn't show up on (or even works against) their stat sheet. OBJ is about the stat sheet because that draws eyes and $$.
Go ahead and ignore what I posted. The coaching staff I'm sure told Chubb in the case of him being able to score, to go down. That's their job. I'm sure had it have been a passing play they would have instructed the WR's and TE's the same thing and that OBJ would have followed those instructions.
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This is perfectly encapsulated in the clip we were originally talking about, but for some reason you want to ignore what's clearly there and go to bat for a guy that's not only no longer on the team, but bulldozed his way out. I don't understand why there's an argument to something so blatant.
I don't know why you've created some fictitious scenario to try and prove a point that doesn't exist.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
That somehow the coaching staff doesn't instruct their players in such a situation and they're left on their own to consider and execute such things. And that somehow by some imaginary scenario OBJ wouldn't have gone down in the same situation based on saying he wants to score a TD. That's a reach of epic proportions.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
If you don't see the glaring difference between the mindsets of Nick Chubb and OBJ, you need help. I've never seen someone so consistently hell bent on trying to create an argument.
