Talk about a snooze fest first half. Indiana is basically just sitting on the ball hoping to lose by under 20
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
The spread on this one was -30.. so at least indiana won that....
Tough schedule ahead overall...
Though they have 2 creampuffs the next 2 weeks. Hopefully they work out what ever problems they have going into ND
Hey, we're playing my alma mater, YSU next week. Whatta mean creampuff?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
it was almost like they were treating today like a scrimmage
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
They played with absolutely zero emotion or intensity. That is an indictment on Ryan Day. Horrible play calling, management, everything.
Hey, if you want to do a run first offense, 3 yards and a cloud of dust then get rid of the flashy WR's and upgrade the offensive line. I also heard Hartline was on the sideline and not up in the booth. Not good. And why is Henderson still the starting RB?
lots of questions coming away from yesterday. It surely was lackluster
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
It was fine. First game of the season breaking in a new QB (and 2 OTs and a C) against a non-cupcake team on a field that had temperatures over 100 at kickoff. All the hand-wringing feels cringeworthy. Indiana was milking the clock, playing not to lose rather than trying to win. They still got beat handily.
It's too soon to tell much of anything about this team. Fortunately, Day has been pretty good about getting problem spots cleaned up. I expect the team will roll the next two games and then we'll see what is what against Notre Dame.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
2. If you can't get a better percentage on those 3rd downs against a team like Indiana you may be in for a long season.
And BTW Bull; It was Indiana's first game of the season too.
It was the Hoosiers first game. We also beat them by three scores, allowed only 3 points, held them to 153 total yards, and led the entire game. We did that while breaking in a bunch of new starters.
1. We'll see. It's too soon to tell. Can't have the bad INTs, but I expect Day to get that cleaned up.
2. We'll see how Indiana's D fares the rest of the season (I expect they'll be much improved over last year, 44 is a player), and I expect improvement from our O. It can take time to figure out what a new QB is best at and what to avoid in real game action. OL needs to gel as well.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I'm simply basing my concerns on yesterday's game. I'm not trying to make some doom and gloom prediction. There have certainly been seasons where the first game was concerning and things got ironed out. I'm certainly not trying to dismiss the points you are making but I think if we're going to entertain the point of it being a teams first game of the season, that's certainly a two way street. And I also understand that OSU won by three scores but they won by 10 points less than the betting line.
I'm a huge Buckeye fan and certainly hope everything works out as you are suggesting and if their track record is any indication it certainly should.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I will say week one lines are a crapshoot. Colorado upset TCU as big dogs and some random Texas school got its first FBS (?, I'd swear they said FCS, but that makes no sense) win against Baylor. The sharps get more accurate as the season goes along.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I think the last word I would use to describe this offense is "explosive." McCord didn't impress me much, especially with his arm. We ran a lot, and should have been able to. Really concerned about the passing game as called and as executed by this QB. Buckeyes wouldn't have won multiple games on the schedule this year with that effort. Compliments to IU; played a whale of a first half. If they caused us trouble, some other teams should be expected to cause us more.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
As a lifelong OSU fan, I want them to destroy whoever they play, but as a YSU alum, (kinda) I want them to put on a good show, at least.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
another snooze fest. There's not much to gain or gather from it other than adding a win
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
another snooze fest. There's not much to gain or gather from it other than adding a win
These games do really help an in state school like YSU, because they get a huge payday. This game wioll basically more than cover their charter flights for the season.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Correct. I think I read somewhere, at some point in time, that OSU always tries to schedule an in-state school each year. Ohio U, Toledo, BG, Kent, Akron, YSU, Miami of O, - it helps the smaller schools financially, and it USUALLY results in a W for OSU.
LOL...Obviously PeeWee is a regular caller in to his coaches show and gives Saban some grief even in big wins, so that's pretty funny how the coach just summed it up for him..lol
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Back in my medical device sales days, Lou Holtz gave a speech at our national sales meeting, to this I'm still trying to determine what his marble mouth said.
I can't believe we won that game... several fourth downs we missed on... thought we lost Harrison for the season when he rolled his ankle... our QB was solid but missed several throws... hats off to the defense and running game... man! what a finish!
McCord missed some throws but he threw some dimes when it mattered. That last throw to the 2 yard line on 3rd an 19 or whatever it was, was money. An absolute dart.
Honestly I don't think what Holtz said was that bad. Now the headlines that were written about what Holtz said were more deserving of Day's post game explosion.
We still need to get more physical in the trenches. ND only had 10 guys on the field the last 2 plays, with the guy missing being the DL who was supposed to be exactly where we ran, and we still barely made it in.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
that was a glorious game ... ugly, tough win. The last drive had me on the edge of the couch. Congrats to the Bucks
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I've always said it's better to win ugly than to lose pretty. This game was a prime example of exactly that. The bottom line in this game for me is when their back was up against the wall and all the marbles were on the line, they did what it took to win.
I don't think it's wrong for those who wish to break the game down and show what OSU could have done better because there certainly are things to break down. As for myself I'm just going to take the W and appreciate the grit and determination they gave to do what it took to win.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
BYE Maryland at Purdue Penn State at Wisconsin at Rutgers Michigan State Minnesota at Michigan
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Maryland might be pretty good this year. They are undefeated and just took MSU to the woodshed.
yeah, maybe they're a little better. The spread will still be over 20. I bet we rest Marvin too
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
The only thing keeping me from picking OSU to win it all this year is the Qb. He throws a really nice ball but I don't think he can see defenses well enough and he doesn't look good at all inder any kind of pressure. Thus year's oline isn't as good as last year's.
We might have the best receiver corp in the nation and he made them look pedestrian. The rest of the team can carry him until the Penn St and Michigan games. But he'll need to significantly improve if we are going to beat both of them
Just my 2 cents
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
still boggles my mind they wouldn't call timeout (if in fact they knew they were short)
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Sounds like a good excuse right? Nope. They only had 10 on the field for the previous two plays, including the completion to the 1 yard line and the spike to stop the clock.
I'm no coach, but the very first thing that popped into my mind when I first read this was: jump offsides, take your 8" penalty, and add your 11th player to the field, duh.
the more I thought about it, the more I think they didn't realize they had 10
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I'm no coach, but the very first thing that popped into my mind when I first read this was: jump offsides, take your 8" penalty, and add your 11th player to the field, duh.
One of the ESPN guys said they were taught to yell out for the middle guard to grab the ball in that situation to prevent a snap and take the penalty.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I'm no coach, but the very first thing that popped into my mind when I first read this was: jump offsides, take your 8" penalty, and add your 11th player to the field, duh.
One of the ESPN guys said they were taught to yell out for the middle guard to grab the ball in that situation to prevent a snap and take the penalty.
The big question in this case is who is "they". None of the coaches noticed either, he's just covering his butt.
With that, I need to correct my previous post, took some twitter post as gospel and it was wrong.
"They only had 10 on the field for the previous two plays, including the completion to the 1 yard line and the spike to stop the clock."
They previous play was an INC. Sooo... After a full TO Notre Dame sent ten out -- INC pass -- no substitutions -- TD run.
Over that span, 32 seconds of 'huddle time', nobody noticed they were short-handed. Pitiful.
Lou Holtz was talking about the OSU-ND matchup on the Pat McAfee show. He said something, and I'm paraphrasing, about the games OSU had lost they got out physical'ed in the trenches and he thought ND would do it again. Articles were written about it with headlines like "Lou Holtz calls Buckeyes soft." Think it was trending for awhile.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
What was up with Day after the game saying we aren't soft?
I get he was fired up, but he sounded a little lunatic.
Think Days issue was more with the headlines about what Holtz said and the surrounding narratives that were spawned than what Holtz actually said.
Ok...I don't know about the headlines and what they said. I don't follow OSU football to any degree. I guess you are probably right about that because just listening to what Holtz said, I don't hear anything I would consider a call out. He gave his opinion as to why OSU lost some top games and he was probably right. I didn't hear Holtz calling OSU weak or anything like that.
I just heard the rant while driving back yesterday and was wondering what the heck that was all about. Just listening to the radio clips, Day sounded a bit crazed. It made me chuckle, thinking WTH?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I also kind of wonder if, to start out, it may have been somewhat calculated to reach the OSU players in a he backed us up, now we've got to back him up sort of way going forward. Urban was kind of known for pushing those kind of psychological buttons. Intense ending, Big win, huge crowd, emotions have a tendency to get away a bit.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I didn't take anything Holtz said seriously. He's like 90 and the biggest ND homer lol.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I also kind of wonder if, to start out, it may have been somewhat calculated to reach the OSU players in a he backed us up, now we've got to back him up sort of way going forward. Urban was kind of known for pushing those kind of psychological buttons. Intense ending, Big win, huge crowd, emotions have a tendency to get away a bit.
I think you are correct as it being for the players benefit and riling them up. A "he has our back" kind of thing. And as Scott pointed oy it may also have rewards in terms of recruitment. I think players would love to play for a coach they think will have their backs and stand up for them. I don't think it was an emotional comment as much as a comment that had specific intentions and motivations in mind.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I looked at it was directed to his players, Buckeye fans, and also recruiting.
I know the '24 recruiting class loved it.
yeah, this is how the coaches think and act ... that's the name of the game
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Yes, this will be the first Buckeyes game I won't be viewing for a very long time and that sucks!
I think that Peacock has a free trial
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
At about 400 p.s.i. Selling out the fans. The OSU must need THE money. This conference is getting weirder with less regard for fans. I believe I read a mention of a political bill to ban this setup; anybody heard about it? Kind of ironically weird that mercenary politicians would legislate against a bald-faced cash-grab like this if The OSU wants to sell out. Not good for the sport or for its loyal fans IMO.
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"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Screw Peacock. I’m not buying their stupid subscription just to watch a game. Meanwhile the rest of the time it’s Friends reruns and other such garbage viewing. Why would anyone pay for it? The Bucks will just have to win without my, or a bunch of other fans, eyes. Meanwhile the Big10 network is airing Sparty v Rutgers… so they won’t be gaining any viewers either. What a waste of a channel.
I didnt even know the game was on peacock until I tried to find it ... ugh
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Certain games being played on the Peacock Network was a small part of a large contract the Big 10 signed. It has nothing to do with "OSU needing the money". They fall under the contract the Big 10 conference agrees to. OSU doesn't have an independent TV contract with anyone. So maybe if you had bothered looking into it just a little bit you wouldn't have made such a silly rant about OSU selling people out. Dear Lord.
And as it pertains to the political aspect you mentioned, it was very easy to find if anyone was actually interested. But i think this too is nothing more than hot air with no substance....
Ohio State-Purdue Game on Peacock Has Lawmaker Eying Legislation on College Football Streaming
The Big Ten is enjoying the fruits of a seven-year, $7 billion media deal signed in August 2022—one that will put the audience in front of national audiences on Fox, CBS and NBC for years to come.
However, it has come at a cost to the common fan. The conference has relegated a few football games (along with a glut of basketball games) to Peacock, NBC’s streaming service. Michigan, Penn State and Michigan State all have taken turns playing streaming-only contests in 2023; No. 3 Ohio State is up Saturday afternoon against Purdue.
With a headache for a college football-crazy state looming, Ohio Sen. Bill DeMora told Hailey BeMiller of The Columbus Dispatch on Friday that he intended to introduce legislation addressing the practice.
“I’ve heard from a lot of folks that are pissed off that the local bar doesn’t have the game or they have to spend X amount of money to buy one football game on this Peacock network so they can watch Ohio State,” the Democrat from Columbus said.
Central to DeMora’s argument is a belief that the Buckeyes, nominally representative of a publicly funded institution, should be required to offer an over-the-air alternative to view streaming-only games.
“There are very few Buckeye fans bigger than me in all of the Ohio State universe,” DeMora said, “but certainly in the Legislature.”
Buckeyes up 41-7 with the ball and 3 minutes left.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
yes, next week's game will be a little more stressful
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
well, I assume that the PSU/OSU will be televised at least
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I had a teacher in highschool that played for Woody Hayes.
Oh man oh man oh man.....the Woody Hayes stories!!!
thats gotta be some great ones! Similarly, I had a friend whose father played for Bob Knight ... haha umm, yes!
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
PSU is just stuck in the mud ... good enough to be top 10 but never more
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Agreed D4L. And am I wrong but it seems like, across the board, the quality of play in college football isn’t as good as it was prior to NIL. I mean, would these Buckeyes, ranked 3rd, hold a candle to some of the other Buckeye teams that have been ranked 3rd at this point of the season? - It’ll be interesting to hear some thoughts on this notion.
James Franklin is a lousy coach. Great recruiter, but just not that good at anything else.
Hard to argue against that. He’s a good guy, family man, good role model for his players. However, I’m willing to bet that the Alumni would gladly welcome Urban or Sarkesian if it meant a Natty.
I agree .. Franklin just doesn't have it to make them a top tier program
And, like you said, OSU is not one of their better teams this year .. take away Marvin (especially today), and it's a pedestrian offense
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Good game by the Bucks. One thing that annoys me when watching a OSU game...there is no place to put a camera except on top of that stadium. It's like the camera view is from a half mile away.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
College football is all over the place. You had #5 needing a late pick 6 to beat a 1-win team. #6 beat a very pedestrian 3-3 team by 2 and both of these were at home. #6 beat another 3-3 team by 7. A previous 1 win team beat #10, in a home game for #10.
Everyone's unanimous Hisman guy has looked less than spectacular 2 of his last 3 games.
I don't know if NIL is the reason, but this many teams, especially in one weekend, that are supposedly this good should not have this happen.
I agree. I am not all that happy about NIl, but it is what it is.
It reduces recruiting to a degree. If a kid has to redshirt and or sit a year behind the starter, they transfer out. It makes a good recruiting class a little less important.
If you have a good class but don't play the guy, he transfers. If you don't have a good class, sit back and grab the guy willing to transfer.
I really like college football. More than the NFL if I have to weigh it out. If it isn't the Browns, I have minimal interest. I will watch the Superbowl like anyone else. I am a Gator and SEC fan, but I can watch any good college football match-up. I enjoyed the Toledo, Miami match-up yesterday evening. It was a good game.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I mean, would these Buckeyes, ranked 3rd, hold a candle to some of the other Buckeye teams that have been ranked 3rd at this point of the season? - It’ll be interesting to hear some thoughts on this notion.
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OSU is not one of their better teams this year .. take away Marvin (especially today), and it's a pedestrian offense
I just wanted to reply to these two specific sentences from Muni and D4L.
Yes, this team would hold a candle compared to the previous teams. One of the reasons you may feel they aren't is because our first year QB is going through growing pains. In the past x amount of years we have been getting spoiled with good to great QB play right out of the gate. Fields, Haskins, CJ (his first year was in rhythm by this point of the year) those were excellent QBs during their time here. McCord was a 5 star, he's shown flashes but also shown it's his first year starting.
What hasn't helped him, is we lost three offensive lineman (1st round pick Paris Jackson, a top 2 center in Wyler, and Thanos) to the draft this year. The teams running game has struggled due to injuries and also what I just mentioned; three new offensive line starters.
The team is loaded with talent. On the D-line: JT has first round potential, their two DTs are projected to be drafted mid-rounds, linebackers are solid, their CBs - Burke is projected for the first round, Daniel I - was a former frosh 1st team in the SEC. Their defense has shown to be one of top D's in the nation.
As for offense, we played yesterday without one of the top explosive RBs in the nation with Henderson (I wish he could stay healthy) and one of the top WRs in the nation Egbuka. Side note: think about that, we played yesterday's game against a top 10 team without three projected first or second rounders (Burke, Henderson, Egbuka). Even with them out, we still were playing with the top WR in the nation and one of the top 1-3 TEs in the nation with Stover.
The quote about being one of the betters this year: we are easily one of the top teams in the nation. We would be favored to win against anybody besides maybe a couple teams....and those games I would feel pretty confident about winning.
I think another thing that has brought more parity to the college football season is the transfer rule change a couple of years ago where student/athletes no longer have to sit out a year when they transfer. You now have schools losing top past recruits who don't want to sit behind other players so it hurts the schools' depth at those positions and they now have to fill those spots a lot of the time with lesser talented athletes or with true freshman that may not have a complete grasp of what they are supposed to do. Unless the rules get changed again I think you will see more parity in college football than we've have in recent years.
Defense has been fantastic.... offense has been bipolar... . not sure if we'll win the big game this year.... we should be undefeated when we meet the team up north... but we'll see... lots of football left...
Whoever wins The Game this year is in the playoff.. don't think the other team can back into the playoff this year... unless calamity and Washington, FSU and Oklahoma all lose by the end of the season. Low Key cheering for the huskies out of those three as their football has been fun to watch.
Yeah, It appears that Washington and FSU are playoff bound and then the SEC/BIG winners ... my hope is that Michigan's off the field stuff becomes a bigger issue
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I wonder if they’d suspend the entire program at this point of the season or just Harbaugh. That’s crazy that they have video evidence of it - how could they prove that he was stealing signs as opposed to simply being 1/60,000 fans who have their phones out during the game.
This story is really getting some wheels. Now there's video of Stalions on the sidelines of the OSU game last year, standing next to the D coordinator when OSU had the ball, and giving signs to the team while holding some laminated papers once the Buckeyes were set. Then there's video of him standing next to the OC when MI had the ball doing the same thing. There's also pics of him standing next to Harbaugh. Stalions purchased 4 tickets to this years OSU/Penn St game....2 on each side facing the benches. There are plenty of other pics and videos on web now.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Former Division III coach claims Michigan's Connor Stalions paid him to record opponents' signs, per reports
The ex Division lll football coach was given money and a Michigan football ticket for his role
A former Division III football coach claims suspended Michigan offensive analyst Connor Stalions compensated him to record future Wolverine opponents in person, ESPN reports.
The coach, who withheld his name for privacy reasons, claims he attended three different Big Ten games (two at Penn State and one at Rutgers) over the last two seasons to record signals. The footage of the signs were shared to an iPhone photo album. He says he unaware if anyone other than Stalions accessed the footage. In addition to complimentary tickets, he claims he received "a couple hundred dollars" for his services.
"I didn't like it, but it's a gray line," he told ESPN. "You can call me naive, but no one is reading the bylaws. I'm not a contractual lawyer. ...I just felt like if you're not doing it, you're not trying to get ahead."
The university suspended Stalions after he bought tickets for more than 30 games at 12 of the possible 13 Big Ten stadiums and four tickets to games featuring out-of-conference College Football Playoff contenders over a three-year period, according to ESPN.
At issue is NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." Sign-stealing itself is not technically against the rules unless it involves electronic equipment to record and inform players or coaches of signals during games. Teams are given access to a great deal of film in advance of matchups in order to scout the on-field football product.
Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh has denied knowledge of any attempt to steal opponent signs and will cooperate with the NCAA investigation, he said in a statement. Harbaugh is already embroiled in a battle with the NCAA over separate Level II violations for which he is accused misleading investigators.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I wonder if they’d suspend the entire program at this point of the season or just Harbaugh. That’s crazy that they have video evidence of it - how could they prove that he was stealing signs as opposed to simply being 1/60,000 fans who have their phones out during the game.
my guess is we won't see any resolution until after this season...
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Report: Michigan rescinds Jim Harbaugh contract offer With Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh turning the program around over the last couple of seasons -- and potentially on his way to yet another College Football Playoff berth -- the Wolverines have reportedly been in the middle of extensive talks with his representatives about a new contract that would make him the highest-paid coach in the Big Ten. It appears those talks are at least on hold for now, and certainly given the sign-stealing scandal that has enveloped the program, it's possible they are extinguished altogether.
Michigan has reportedly rescinded the contract extension it had on the table with Harbaugh, according to the Wall Street Journal. This is the first significant action the program has taken amid the ongoing investigation, which has already resulted in the NCAA arriving on campus to interview a variety of staff and personnel.
Harbaugh had his salary cut significantly after the 2020 campaign when Michigan finished 2-4 and lost to Ohio State for the sixth straight season under Harbaugh. However, he turned the Wolverines' fortunes in 2021 and saw his salary subsequently increase at the start of what has been a 2.5-year run of success for Michigan. Now, it appears that a substantial raise is on hold -- and questions about Harbaugh's long-term employment with the Wolverines will continue amid simultaneous NCAA investigations.
Adam Silverstein Oct. 29, 2023, 7:52 pm EDT
11 hrs ago Jim Harbaugh to the NFL? Not so fast Amid an NCAA investigation into an alleged sign-stealing scheme at Michigan, the NFL is "unlikely to make itself a safe harbor" for embattled Wolverines coach Jim Harbaugh, according to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero. Harbaugh has become known for his flirtations with NFL head-coaching opportunities during his nine-year run with the Wolverines, and it would be no surprise if he's of interest to professional franchises again this year as he guides the No. 2 Wolverines. Should he decide to take an NFL opportunity, Harbaugh could be required to serve "some or all" of a potential NCAA suspension, according to the report.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
The Buckeyes are #1 in the initial CFB rankings….Which mean nothing. Please don’t tell Michigan Twitter, they are losing their minds and I love it! lol
I think it's deserved just based on the schedules of the teams ... like you said, it means nothing yet
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Michigan is in a heap of trouble for a lack of institutional control. The sign stealing is the main story right now, but there's a lot hanging over their head. Here are the facts so far, all of which happened within the past year:
Harbaugh was suspended for and remains under investigation for recruitment violations during the COVID pandemic and failing to cooperate with the investigation.
Former offensive coordinator Matt Weiss is under FBI investigation for using UM computers to commit computer crimes.
Schemy Schembechler (son of Bo) was hired in May as an assistant director of football recruiting, then resigned 3 days later after he conceded that he engaged in "flippant behavior on Twitter," which included numerous offensive and insensitive posts, including several suggesting slavery and Jim Crow had the positive effect of strengthening Black individuals and families.
A staffer being paid 55k per year has been suspended for illegally stealing signs of opposing teams. The football program and Harbaugh are under investigation to determine their involvement in this.
Another staffer has been videotaped purchasing liquor and trying to hook up with a 13yo girl at a Walmart. He was catfished by a vigilante group on an adult internet website.
....and Tressel lost his job because he covered for players trading Jerseys for tattoos and selling the gold pants.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Everybody's in it for the bucks and everybody's in it for the fame, and for what get in it for the right reasons Buckeye's thirty five to sixteen winners over Rutgers today.
Nineteen is still a Prime number. \0/
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Buckeye defense made some winning plays today ... their offense continues to sputter for too many drives
But, still a 3 score win on the road
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
So... Which NFL team is gonna pick up Jim Harbaugh next year?
Same thing Pete did. Totally expect it here. The heat is too hot to stick around.
Bears
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Michigan is in a heap of trouble for a lack of institutional control.
According to some of the comments made this morning on ESPN, today might be judgement day for Harbaugh as the Big Ten is nearing a decision on the punishment that the Big Ten hands down.
Just what Michigan might be guilty of is nothing but conjecture until someone of authority gives a factual take on what Harbaugh and the Michigan football program is guilty of.
Based on what we know, there are 3 separate investigations going on...FBI, NCAA and Big Ten.
It's never a good thing when the FBI is investigating your program.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
What I don't understand is how anyone with a brain can consider that Michigan coaches did not know this was happening. Are they so ignorant to think that Connor Stalions et al went thru all that effort and expense to steal the signs...... and not give them to the only people that could use them?
Michigan can't even keep up with their own lies anymore trying to defend a coach that's been suspended twice in one season. Last week, we heard that the admin was totally behind Harbaugh and that his contract would be extended in the next few days. Harbaugh himself said he couldn't wait for the TRO hearing this morning so he can get his due process. He said he couldn't wait to speak and tell his side of the story. Then they withdraw their petition. Michigan's attorneys said that Ryan Day's brother was behind the investigation, and made up BS that Ohio State and Rutgers were selling Michigan's signs to other schools. Now they're talking about leaving the B1G. It's a frickin' circus of BS.
You got caught. Own it.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I had been under the assumption that Connor Stalions had to sneak his way onto the Central Michigan sidelines when they played Michigan State and the alleged sign stealing took place. Listening to a Dan Dakich Pod Cast this morning and doing a bit of research, I'm not so sure that Stalions was not welcomed to the Central Michigan sidelines to record Michigan State's signals.
Jim McElwain was hired as the Central Mich Head Coach in 2019 and before the CMU HC job, McElwain was the WR coach for the Michigan Wolverines in 2018. Did McElwain do his former employer (Michigan) a favor, allowing Stalions to record from CMU's sidelines...?
According to the Dan Dakich Pod Cast, there is video of Stalions palling around with McElwain's coaching staff before the game started. While we assume that this was the first time Stalions had been allowed on the CMU sidelines to record video on a common opponent, it's going to take some research to know what the facts are.
I'm not so sure we know all the facts yet but I would not be surprised if the story changes the longer the investigation goes on.
if you want to see something really interesting, check out this connection between the Stalions and Partridge families (Partridge was the coach fired this week), and the connection to CMU. You can't make this stuff up.
What also bothers me is that nobody seems too interested in the business parnership between Blake Corum and Stalions. It's a fact that both of their names are on the BC2 Housing LLC. Corum's denying any involvement....which I doubt, for if it were true then somebody forged his name, which is a federal crime.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
The NCAA needs to investigate the Big 10 for it's late action. It's like they knew but hoped it would simply blow over. I could see the NCAA hand out a 2-3 year bowl ban for the entire conference.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
The NCAA needs to investigate the Big 10 for it's late action. It's like they knew but hoped it would simply blow over. I could see the NCAA hand out a 2-3 year bowl ban for the entire conference.
....Wouldn't the NCAA have to punish itself for taking even longer and still not having done anything? The problem with punishing the conference is that they were waiting on the NCAA investigation-- until they decided enough was enough because they could be waiting forever. The NCAA needs to pack it up and close down. They are an ineffective anachronism, their day has passed.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
The NCAA needs to investigate the Big 10 for it's late action. It's like they knew but hoped it would simply blow over. I could see the NCAA hand out a 2-3 year bowl ban for the entire conference.
Put the crack pipe down..... I can see them putting the hammer on UM... but they are doing a post season ban for all the big ten... they'd lose too much money...
Ohio State announcer, Paul Kiels, of the radio broadcast, who always get's so much information wrong has already had to correct himself ... between the opening kickoff and the first offensive snap of the game,
a comment about offensive efficiency of the Buckeye @uarterback, corrected because he meant to say something else.
Dude may have a deep voice, but he way too often gets the facts wrong the first time he says them.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
After 1 half, I’d say that the score is accurate. Two very even teams playing a tight game. The young, opposing QB throws a pick within his end zone. 14-10. That missed field goal might be the difference. We needed that one.
OF course they don't b/c they are Cheaters <<< known.
They don't have an accurately angled camera anywhere in their stadium.
the prior 4th and one was stopped ohio state, and even earlier, Michigan scored the play before they did, and even THAT was called wrongly.
and, on cameras down the line... they don't have even ONE that isn't skewed by angle to give a wrong reading of what you actually see.
But , of course they wouldn't have accurate cameras they are cheaters<<< known.
Holy bias Batman. If the cameras are skewed, they would be skewed for both teams. There is zero benefit to do that. And I honestly don't know one way or the other, but I'd assume that cameras are set up by the TV crews and/or officiating.
Gr8 game. 2 of the top 4 teams in the country. However, the Buckeyes will need help to get into the dance this year. Also, Michigan’s #1 db rolled his ankle after their #1 linemen blew out his knee. I wouldn’t blame the kid for sitting out until April.
With the number of undefeated teams and the number of 1 loss teams, the Bucks might have a hard time making the playoffs. It's not impossible, but it isn't going to help they didn't get in to the conference championship or even win the division of their conference.
There are few possibilities remaining, but most would be considered longshots.
They will still get a prime bowl game. The Fiesta and Peach Bowls are at large games, so probably one of those.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
1. Georgia/Bama 2. Michigan 3 Oregon/Washington 4. Florida State
On the fringe: Texas
Pretty much written in stone. However, should Texas win out and Bama beat Georgia, then Texas gets in and there won’t be an SEC team in the playoff- only because Texas beat Bama straight up.
I don’t see Ohio State getting in regardless of what happens going forward.
Michigan owned OSU up front when they salted the game away. Couple that with a missed FG and OSU lost.
IMO McCord isn't good enough either
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
They won't fire him, but it should be strongly considered. Three years in a row.
The decision at the end of the first half was lame. Coached scared instead of being aggressive.
Lou Holtz is laughing.
It would be be interesting to see what happens if this is Vrabel's last season with the Titans.
Onward to a meaningless bowl game.
In a way you are right. Back a few years ago, if you won the Sugar, Rose, etc, you still might be voted in.
Now that isn't possible if it isn't a BCS championship designated bowl game. I think that thought is what will expand the field to 16 teams. Some of those other bowl games will lose attendance and then companies willing to pay for naming rights. I don't know who sponsors the Peach bowl...Allstate maybe? Those companies aren't going to be willing to put up several millions of dollars if people don't go or watch.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next several years.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
They won't fire him, but it should be strongly considered. Three years in a row.
The decision at the end of the first half was lame. Coached scared instead of being aggressive.
Lou Holtz is laughing.
It would be be interesting to see what happens if this is Vrabel's last season with the Titans.
Onward to a meaningless bowl game.
In a way you are right. Back a few years ago, if you won the Sugar, Rose, etc, you still might be voted in.
Now that isn't possible if it isn't a BCS championship designated bowl game. I think that thought is what will expand the field to 16 teams. Some of those other bowl games will lose attendance and then companies willing to pay for naming rights. I don't know who sponsors the Peach bowl...Allstate maybe? Those companies aren't going to be willing to put up several millions of dollars if people don't go or watch.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next several years.
The Peach Bowl is sponsored by Chick-fil-A...it's in Georgia after all!
With the impact of legalized sports gambling throughout the country, I'd argue sponsorship does not likely to decrease. There may even be an increase in bowl games if possible.
I meant meaningless in the sense that if it is not a playoff game for the national championship, it is meaningless to most Ohio State fans.
When Lou Holtz said OSU was soft maybe in a funny way he was trying to warn Ryan Day while there was still time left.
Holtz was on Woody Hayes' staff and was a good coach in his own right. I wish Day had listened because Holtz was exactly right. An overall frustrating game today.
Key points:
-Kyle McCord isn't it. He's not good enough. It's nothing personal. I don't know if he can improve or not but just imagine him with no Harrison. I want someone else either from the transfer portal, campus, or off the street. Maybe I could try out! I'm in my thirties but it's all good. I could be like the QB from Notre Dame, lol.
-The defense was flat out embarrassing! They looked like they were going through the motions! Completely apathetic and didn't care. I'd fire Jim Knowles as soon as he gets back to Columbus, I am not kidding. Dude didn't make any have time adjustments and did not blitz at all. I have NO IDEA what schemes he was calling but it looked like zone and soft ass coverage instead of man. If I didn't know any better I'd think he was Joe Woods.
-I've seen Ryan Day be successful. It's frustrating. Not all of it is his fault but some of it is. I was really encouraged when we had the drive where we just kept running it. That was beautiful. We should have kept doing that. It is ironic that when we kept it away from McCord is when we had our greatest success. That should tell you something about where our strengths lie. If we're a running team then that's fine.
The Peach Bowl is sponsored by Chick-fil-A...it's in Georgia after all!
Indeed. You'd think I would have remembered that since I live about 4 miles from the Georgia state line, but there are a lot of things I don't remember these days.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I thought the DL was a main culprit in the loss. By the 2nd half, the offense figured it out a bit (after a really sluggish start of course), but the D couldn't get off the field. Got bullied when it counted.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Ryan Day cannot continue as HC on one of the top 5 college football programs in the country in the last 15-20 years. If He was coaching a top 10-25 that would be acceptable. But, he's not. Ohio State players fans, and alumni deserve better.
Ryan Day cannot continue as HC on one of the top 5 college football programs in the country in the last 15-20 years. If He was coaching a top 10-25 that would be acceptable. But, he's not. Ohio State players fans, and alumni deserve better.
the buckeye fans don't "deserve" anything. They, the team, can't find better, he's lost seven games in Four years. I don't know what more people expect from Ohio State in football, year after year they bring it, and they are in or at the top of the toughest conference every year, and they have won two titles since 2000. They are in the 4 team playoff almost every time, and no other team in the U S A can claim what they can, except maybe 2, or 2 and a half, Clem, GA, AL, What can you expect more from Ohio State, they would be wise to lock up Ryan Day for a few more years.
Oh, and their @uarterback, ..........Kyle McCord, he ain't all of that this year, they lost the michizgan game on two of his bad plays, interceptions, one for almost seven points.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Gr8 game. 2 of the top 4 teams in the country. However, the Buckeyes will need help to get into the dance this year. Also, Michigan’s #1 db rolled his ankle after their #1 linemen blew out his knee. I wouldn’t blame the kid for sitting out until April.
Will Johnson is a sophomore, so he isn't draft eligible. Plus, most don't sit out going into the playoffs.
Ryan Day cannot continue as HC on one of the top 5 college football programs in the country in the last 15-20 years. If He was coaching a top 10-25 that would be acceptable. But, he's not. Ohio State players fans, and alumni deserve better.
Age has mellowed me a bit, and I have lost much of my OSU allegiance over time. I can't say much about Day. I think he is a good coach. Back in the 80's, OSU was still very solidly my 2nd team behind the Gators.
John Cooper was a good coach, but I got to the point that I knew that somewhere later in the season the team was going to get Coopered. That is what I called that late season stunner, so I get the angst many people are feeling. I just don't care about OSU enough anymore to get worked up over the situation.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I don’t see Ohio State getting in regardless of what happens going forward.
I can't see a scenario where the Buckeyes make it either.
Too many undefeated teams going in to their conference championships. Even if they lose, they won their half of the division and played in the championship game.
The big 10 is now like old Conference USA was, going coast to coast. If the conference wants to do what is best for the conference and not what individual teams want, they probably need to split OSU and Michigan in to different divisions. The conference could do what the SEC did some years ago when it expanded. It kept teams having a tradition rival in the other division. As an example, TN and Alabama are in different divisions, but play each other every year due to the long standing tradition of the 3rd Saturday in October.
OSU and Michigan could still play each other every year, though they might need to move it earlier in the season. That way, the team that loses could still win their division and set up a rematch in the championship game, especially if the Big 10 remains a 2 horse race which for the most part it has for the last 50 years.
I say they might want to move the game in to maybe early Oct. You wouldn't want the 2 teams to meet the last game of the season, then meet again a week later. That just wouldn't have the same luster. Having 5-6 weeks would do much to rebuild the excitement and anticipation and make all the other games meaningful to help build the anticiption.
My hope for the Big 10 is the new teams bring some life to the league. It isn't about the top team or two in the league. It's about the quality through the rest of the league. In the SEC, most of the time there is some question as to who is actually going to win the game. The Big 10 is a betting league. There isn't much question on who is going to win the game, it is about will a team cover the spread?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I don’t see Ohio State getting in regardless of what happens going forward.
I can't see a scenario where the Buckeyes make it either.
Too many undefeated teams going in to their conference championships. Even if they lose, they won their half of the division and played in the championship game.
The big 10 is now like old Conference USA was, going coast to coast. If the conference wants to do what is best for the conference and not what individual teams want, they probably need to split OSU and Michigan in to different divisions. The conference could do what the SEC did some years ago when it expanded. It kept teams having a tradition rival in the other division. As an example, TN and Alabama are in different divisions, but play each other every year due to the long standing tradition of the 3rd Saturday in October.
OSU and Michigan could still play each other every year, though they might need to move it earlier in the season. That way, the team that loses could still win their division and set up a rematch in the championship game, especially if the Big 10 remains a 2 horse race which for the most part it has for the last 50 years.
I say they might want to move the game in to maybe early Oct. You wouldn't want the 2 teams to meet the last game of the season, then meet again a week later. That just wouldn't have the same luster. Having 5-6 weeks would do much to rebuild the excitement and anticipation and make all the other games meaningful to help build the anticiption.
My hope for the Big 10 is the new teams bring some life to the league. It isn't about the top team or two in the league. It's about the quality through the rest of the league. In the SEC, most of the time there is some question as to who is actually going to win the game. The Big 10 is a betting league. There isn't much question on who is going to win the game, it is about will a team cover the spread?
Starting next year, the Big 10 won't have divisions at all. The 2 best Big Ten records will play for the conference championship at the end of the year. So OSU and UM could play twice in a row.
Starting next year, the Big 10 won't have divisions at all. The 2 best Big Ten records will play for the conference championship at the end of the year. So OSU and UM could play twice in a row.
And that wouldn't be good. That is why I said they would be wise to move the regular season game to earlier in the year.
In this era of expanding leagues you might not be able to maintain all of the same traditions. I don't think many would want to see OSU/Michigan playing in back to back weeks.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
IMO, not a big loss. He improved as the season went on but is, and likely never will be, anything better than mediocre. He throws a nice ball when their is zero pressure but even just minor pressure and he can 't deal with it. Again, just my opinion, but he didn't win the starting job, he got it by default because the others competing against him just weren't any better.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
Here is an article an a link on the transfer portal and who has already entered. I don't know most of these guys but one that I have seen over the years that I do like is Will Rogers the Qb from Mississippi State
NCAA football transfer window 2023: Live updates, news
College football's 30-day winter transfer portal window is officially open, as players have until Jan. 2, 2024 to enter the portal for their one-time transfers. It doesn't mean they have to find their new schools by then -- or that they can't return to their previous schools -- but they have 30 days to decide whether they want to be in the portal.
More than 2,100 NCAA football players entered the portal in last December's transfer window -- the most of any month since the transfer portal was created in fall 2018.
This year, we've already seen several players announce their intentions to enter the portal, some of whom were eligible to enter early because their head coach was fired (or left the program) or because they already have undergraduate degrees. A few of the quarterbacks who already are in the portal include Ohio State's Kyle McCord, Washington State's Cam Ward, Duke's Riley Leonard, Oregon State's DJ Uiagalelei and UCLA's Dante Moore,
Who's next to enter the portal? We're tracking notable players entering (and exiting) the portal, with the latest news and updates on how the 2024 season could be transformed:
Ohio State QB Kyle McCord
The junior enters the portal as one of the higher-profile players to do so this year. He started every game for Ohio State in 2023, throwing for 3,170 yards, 24 touchdowns and six interceptions. He went 11-1 as a starter and had three 300-yard passing games.
During his news conference on Sunday discussing Ohio State's bowl game, coach Ryan Day was noncommittal to McCord's future as OSU's starter.
"When you come up short, the bottom line is you got to look at everything, because you didn't get it done, and that's the thing that is just sobering here," Day said. "At 11-1, you come up short on the last possession, it's just not good enough. So you got to look at everything, and we will look at everything."
Florida State QB AJ Duffy
The redshirt freshman quarterback told ESPN on Sunday night he intends to enter the transfer portal. Duffy, who threw just seven passes over two seasons at FSU, will be immediately eligible with three years of eligibility remaining. He was the No. 60 overall recruit in the 2022 class.
Baylor TE Drake Dabney
Dabney, who caught 33 passes for 552 yards and five touchdowns this season, announced on Sunday night his intentions to enter the portal. He was a three-star high school recruit in the 2020 class.
Portal entrants from before the window officially opened
Colorado OL Gerad Christian-Lichtenhan
Christian-Lichtenhan is a 6-foot-10, 315-pound junior, originally from Davis, California. He redshirted in his freshman season at Colorado in 2020, but played in five games along the offensive line during the 2021 season. He started in eight games in 2022, and was the starting left tackle this season for coach Deion Sanders. He is departing from an offensive line that struggled mightily in pass protection during 2023.
Washington State QB Cameron Ward
Ward transferred into the WSU program from Incarnate Word prior to the 2022 season, where he was a second team FCS All-American player and the Southland Conference offensive player of the year. He went 10-3 in 2021 with Incarnate Word and threw for 4,648 yards, 47 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.
He continued that success in 2022 at Washington State and was an All-Pac-12 Conference honorable mention player. He started all 13 games and threw for 3,231 yards and 23 touchdowns.
Arizona State QB Drew Pyne
After starting his career at Notre Dame, Pyne transferred to Arizona State last season. But because of injuries, he was sidelined for the most of 2023, only appearing in two games in September. In those two appearances, he threw two touchdowns and three interceptions. Pyne expects to have three seasons of eligibility left once he graduates with his degree.
South Alabama WR Caullin Lacy
The South Alabama wide receiver had over 1,300 receiving yards for the Jaguars this season to pair with seven touchdowns. He's in the portal as a graduate transfer.
UCLA QB Dante Moore
Moore was the No. 2 prospect overall in the 2023 class out of Detroit, Michigan. He originally committed to Oregon out of high school, but flipped to UCLA and signed with the Bruins. Moore appeared in nine games this season as a true freshman and threw for 1,610 yards, 11 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Prior to his commitment, he showed interest in Michigan State, Texas A&M, LSU, Miami and Michigan among others.
Oregon State QB DJ Uiagalelei
The former Clemson QB, who was one of the big names in the portal last season is planning to leave the Beavers. In his lone season in Corvalis, DJU was improved in almost every category compared this previous two seasons starting at Clemson. In 2023, Uiagalelei threw for 2,638 yards and accounted for 27 total touchdowns.
NC State QB MJ Morris and DT C.J. Clark
Morris, a sophomore, began the season as NC State's backup with plans to be a backup and redshirt. He ended up starting four games before opting to sit out the rest of the season to preserve his redshirt. Morris played last season as a true freshman after Devin Leary went out for the season with an injury. Morris has thrown for 1,367 yards with 14 touchdowns and six interceptions, completing 57.8 percent of his passes during his career at NC State.
Clark was a starter on the defensive line for the Wolfpack. He had 22 tackles in 2023.
Clemson WR Beaux Collins
Collins, a junior, will be immediately eligible for his final year. He has caught 91 passes for 1,290 yards and 11 touchdowns over three seasons.
Duke QB Riley Leonard
Leonard, a junior, started all 13 games for the Blue Devils during the 2022 season and threw for 2,967 yards, 20 touchdowns and six interceptions. He also had 699 rushing yards and 13 rushing touchdowns and was an All-ACC honorable mention selection for his performance. He played in seven games this season, missing games because of a toe injury suffered against Louisville, and finished the season with 1,102 yards passing, three touchdowns and three interceptions. He added on four rushing touchdowns and 352 yards on the ground.
Coastal Carolina QB Grayson McCall
Coastal Carolina starting quarterback Grayson McCall entered his name in the transfer portal as a grad transfer on Wednesday. McCall dealt with an injury this season that allowed him to play in just seven games where he threw for 1,919 yards, 10 touchdowns and six interceptions under new coach Tim Beck. McCall threw for 2,700 yards, 24 touchdowns and two interceptions in 11 games during the 2022 season. He has 10,005 career passing yards and 88 career touchdowns.
Duke DT Aeneas Peebles
Peebles, a graduate transfer, played 411 snaps this season, racking up four sacks, 40 total tackles and a forced fumble. He had 3.5 sacks over the 2021 and 2022 seasons.
Indiana OL Matthew Bedford
Bedford, who started 10 games this season and played both right guard and right tackle, is the 17th Hoosiers player to enter the portal since Nov. 27, according to ESPN's Tom VanHaaren. That includes four of their starting offensive linemen. Bedford allowed just one sack in 2023.
Temple QB E.J. Warner
The Owls' sophomore quarterback is moving on after starting two years for Temple. He was AAC rookie of the year in 2022. In his career, he has thrown for 6,104 yards with 41 touchdowns and 24 interceptions.
Cincinnati DB/LB DeShawn Pace
Cincinnati defender Deshawn Pace announced that he will enter the transfer portal. He plays the STAR position for the Bearcats, a safety and linebacker combination, and led the team in total tackles in 2023 with 80 tackles. Pace also led the team in tackles for loss with 11 and had five pass breakups on the season.
Northern Illinois WR Trayvon Rudolph
Rudolph, who had 46 catches for 499 yards and two touchdowns this season, intends to enter the transfer portal, a source told ESPN's Pete Thamel. Rudolph caught 51 passes for 892 yards and seven scores in 2021.
Minnesota QB Athan Kaliakmanis
Kaliakmanis had 1,838 passing yards with 14 touchdowns and nine interceptions, while completing 53.1% of his attempts for Minnesota, which finished 5-7. He added two rushing touchdowns. He took over as Minnesota's top quarterback after starting five games as a freshman in 2022, going 3-2 with 946 passing yards and three touchdowns. He has two seasons of eligibility left.
Wake Forest QB Mitch Griffis
After replacing Sam Hartman, who transferred to Notre Dame last year, Griffis struggled this season. He went 124-for-207 for 1,553 yards with nine touchdowns and seven interceptions as Wake Forest finished 4-8. Wake Forest backup QB Santino Marucci also announced he would be transferring.
Purdue WR Deion Burks
A sophomore from Minnesota, Burks has decided to leave Purdue. With 47 catches for 629 yards and seven scores, Burks was the Boilermakers' leading receiver in 2023. Burks was a three-star recruit in the Class of 2021.
Miami QB Tyler Van Dyke and RB Donald Chaney Jr.
After an up-and-down career with the Hurricanes, Van Dyke entered the transfer portal, saying, "I am looking forward to the next chapter and what my future holds." A fourth-year junior, had been the starter since the 2021 season. He threw for 2,931 yards, 25 touchdowns and six interceptions in 10 games in 2021. His performance that season earned him ACC Rookie of the Year and ACC Offensive Rookie of the Year honors. Injuries and inconsistency hampered his next two seasons as Van Dyke threw 17 interceptions over the last two seasons and has played for three different offensive coordinators.
Chaney, a sophomore, had 478 yards rushing this season and two touchdowns. He was, at certain times, the Canes' feature back, and he had double-digit carries in three games and 106 yards against Georgia Tech and 85 yards against Florida State.
Notre Dame C Zeke Correll and DE Nana Osafo-Mensah
Correll, who started 10 games for the Irish this season, enters the portal as a graduate transfer and will have one year of eligibility remaining. Correll was a veteran presence on the Notre Dame line but missed the final two games of the season with a concussion. He was a four-star prospect, ranked No. 148 in the 2019 ESPN 300.
Osafo-Mensah started one game this season before finding a reserve role on the Irish defense. In five seasons in South Bend, he had 47 tackles and five sacks.
Boise State WR Eric McAlister
A sophomore receiver, McAlister had a big season for the Broncos in 2023. He had 47 catches for 873 yards and five scores. He averaged 18.6 yards-per-catch in 2023.
USC WR Raleek Brown
Brown, a sophomore who saw limited action in 2023, has decided to leave USC. He had only three catches on the year. He was a highly ranked recruit in USC's 2022 recruiting class. Ranked No. 64 overall, Brown was the highest-ranked offensive recruit in the class.
Indiana OL Matthew Bedford, Carter Smith, Kahlil Benson, Zach Carpenter
Part of an exodus of Hoosiers players after the firing of coach Tom Allen, Indiana has four of five starting offensive linemen entering the portal. Benson and Carpenter will be graduate transfers, while Smith and Bedford have multiple years of eligibility left.
Kansas State QB Will Howard and RB Treshaun Ward
Howard, who led Kansas State to a Big 12 title in 2022, has decided to move on as a graduate transfer. Howard led Kansas State with 2,643 passing yards and 24 touchdowns with eight interceptions, completing 61.3% of his passes. After sharing time with Adrian Martinez to begin the 2022 season, he emerged as the Wildcats' top quarterback for their run to a conference title. Howard, who will have one year of eligibility left, has 5,786 career passing yards with 48 touchdowns -- a team record -- and 25 interceptions, as well as 934 career rushing yards and 19 touchdowns.
Ward will move on as a graduate transfer after four seasons at Florida State before playing for the Wildcats in 2023. He has had more than 500 yards rushing in a season the past three seasons and 17 career touchdowns.
Baylor QB Blake Shapen
After starting 23 games over three seasons in Waco, Shapen has decided to transfer. As a true junior this season, he will have at least one season of eligibility remaining. He had 2,188 yards passing with 13 touchdowns in 2023. Shapen is a former four-star recruit from the Class of 2020.
Mississippi State QB Will Rogers
Will Rogers, who has thrown for 94 career touchdowns, is leaving Starkville after the Mississippi State coaching change. Rogers played in every game in the 2021 and 2022 seasons before injuries limited his 2023 season. In eight games this season, Rogers threw for 1,626 yards, 12 touchdowns and four interceptions. In four seasons with the Bulldogs, Rogers threw for 12,315 yards, completing 69.4% of his passes.
Michigan State QBs Katin Houser and Sam Leavitt; OT Spencer Brown
Houser, a redshirt freshman, who played in seven games this season, plans to transfer and has three years of eligibility remaining. He played in 11 games this season and finished with 1,132 passing yards with six touchdowns and five interceptions.
Indiana QB Brendan Sorsby
A day after the Hoosiers fired coach Tom Allen, their starting QB is moving on as well. Sorsby, who started parts of the 2023 season, played in 10 total games and finished with 1,587 yards, 15 touchdowns and five interceptions. He also had 286 yards rushing and four touchdowns on the ground. He was a three-star recruit in the Class of 2022.
Utah QB Nate Johnson
With Cam Rising returning for a seventh year and Bryson Barnes, who started for for most of the 2023 season also back, Utah freshman signal-caller Johnson has decided to move on. Johnson started three games this season, going 2-1, and accounting for 734 total yards and 12 touchdowns. From Clovis, California, he was a four-star recruit and ranked 93rd overall in the 2022 ESPN 300.
Texas A&M QB Max Johnson
Johnson, who started 12 games at LSU in 2021, then eight over two seasons at Texas A&M, is entering the portal as a graduate transfer. He was the Aggies' starter in 2022 for three of their first four games before being injured and redshirting. Johnson then battled Conner Weigman for the starting job this season. After Weigman was injured in late September, Johnson was again the starter for the next five games before injuring his ribs. In total, Johnson has thrown for 5,853 yards and 47 touchdowns over four collegiate seasons. Johnson was a four-star recruit in the Class of 2020, ranked No. 129 overall in the ESPN 300.
Texas Tech QB Tyler Shough
Shough started his career at Oregon before going to Texas Tech. He has accounted for 36 touchdowns in five collegiate seasons and was an ESPN 300 recruit in the Class of 2018.
Texas A&M WR Raymond Cottrell
Cottrell entered the portal after the firing of Aggies coach Jimbo Fisher. Cottrell, a freshman from Milton, Florida, had just one catch for 13 yards (it went for a touchdown) this season. A four-star recruit in the Class of 2023, Cottrell was the 23rd overall receiver in the class.
McCord was probably told they were going to find another QB
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I saw this coming. During the Michigan game, he missed a couple wide open wr’s. - Didn’t even look in their direction. I could see Ryan Day questioning him when he went back to the sideline. I think that McCord improved over the course of last season. This whole NIL/Transfer Portal thing is taking away from the quality of college football.
College football transfer portal: Best fits for top 10 quarterbacks on market in loaded 2024 class Here's where some of the best quarterbacks available on the transfer market could land
The NCAA winter transfer window opened on Monday, Dec. 4, and the portal filled with several notable quarterbacks almost immediately. In fact, this seems like the most loaded crop of signal callers to hit the market since the NCAA implemented the transfer portal a couple of years ago. From high-upside young guns to grizzled veterans, programs that are desperate for immediate help should not have much trouble finding it.
As of Dec. 6, 17 quarterbacks hold a four-star grade in 247Sports' transfer rankings. Five of the top-10 transfer prospects, regardless of position, are quarterbacks. By comparison, there were 16 total four-stars for the entire 2023 cycle.
Scroll down the list of the 10 best available quarterbacks and you'll see a litany of former five-star prospects or guys that have put up staggering numbers with starting experience at the FBS level. With some major schools looking for a new stud to lead their offense entering the 2024 season, it felt appropriate to take a look at the best fit for each uncommitted top-10 transfer quarterback.
Aidan Chiles, Oregon State 247Sports transfer grade: 96 | Best potential fit: Michigan State
This one is pretty elementary. Jonathan Smith, who recruited Chiles to Oregon State and coached him during his true freshman season with the Beavers, left to take the Michigan State job. From that point it seemed like a foregone conclusion that Chiles would follow him. Smith made an effort to give Chiles plenty of opportunity last season as the freshman played in nine regular-season games. Chiles would often enter a few drives into each contest, regardless of score, and spell starter DJ Uiagalelei. Chiles finished the year completing 24 of his 35 pass attempts for 309 yards and four touchdowns. He also finished fifth on the team in rushing with 79 yards and three touchdowns. Chiles has already had a year under Smith's scheme. This one fits like a glove.
Dante Moore, UCLA 247Sports transfer grade: 95 | Best potential fit: Michigan
Moore doesn't need to start right away. That much was made clear during his time at UCLA. The former five-star prospect showed plenty of promise as a true freshman, throwing for 1,610 yards and 11 touchdowns in five starts, but he struggled with turnovers and the Bruins ultimately turned to more experienced options later in the season. Moore could immediately step into a starting role at Michigan if J.J. McCarthy leaves for the NFL, but there's a strong chance that McCarthy returns for one more year in an effort to improve his draft stock. That would be ideal for Moore. He would get a year to learn Michigan's playbook and refine his skills without the pressure of taking a program to immediate success. This would also provide a return closer to home for Moore, who signed with the Bruins in 2023 out of Detroit.
Cameron Ward, Washington State 247Sports transfer grade: 94 | Best potential fit: Ohio State
Ward is sure to have a long list of suitors, but the Buckeyes would be hard to turn down if they come calling. Ryan Day cut his chops as a quarterbacks coach and has developed some of the most notable names at the position in recent history, including Justin Fields and C.J. Stroud. Ward brings legitimate chops as a high-volume passer, posting 6,963 yards and 48 touchdowns with just 16 interceptions in 25 games as a Cougar. He also seems like a much better fit for what Day likes to do than former starter Kyle McCord, who also recently entered the portal. While rushing ability isn't a prerequisite to play quarterback at Ohio State, it helps to have some mobility. Ward is great out of structure and can extend plays with his legs when the first reads aren't there, giving OSU's elite wide receiver corps more time to get open downfield.
Will Howard, Kansas State 247Sports transfer grade: 92 | Best potential fit: USC
There's a lot of buzz between Howard and USC already as Trojans coach Lincoln Riley searches for Caleb Williams' replacement. Howard doesn't exactly share Williams' skillset, but he's still a good scheme fit. Most notably, he has the rushing chops that Riley desires. Howard finished the 2023 season with 351 yards rushing and nine touchdowns. He's also a perfect bridge quarterback for the Trojans, which have a lot of young talent and depth they'd love to hang on to. Most notably, former five-star Malachi Nelson, a top-15 player in the class of 2023, seems like a QB-in-waiting for USC. Adding Howard would give Nelson another year to develop and ascend into the job naturally without scaring him away with a potential multi-year transfer.
Riley Leonard, Duke 247Sports transfer grade: 92 | Best potential fit: Notre Dame
Leonard's name was connected to Notre Dame from the moment he stepped into the portal. He's set to take an official visit to South Bend, Indiana, this week, and there's a chance he makes a decision pretty quickly after that. The timing would obviously line up well for the Fighting Irish. Leonard generated some legitimate NFL Draft buzz leading up to the season and delivered early with a big win against Clemson. Unfortunately, he suffered an ankle injury against -- ironically enough -- Notre Dame that kept him either shelved or severely limited the rest of the year. He would give Notre Dame's offense an entirely new look. The Irish have had some decent pure passers in recent years, including 2023 starter Sam Hartman, but Leonard blends effective passing with top-shelf athletic traits. He ran for 699 yards and 13 touchdowns in 2022 when he was fully healthy and had four rushing touchdowns in four games prior to his injury this season.
Dequan Finn, Toledo 247Sports transfer grade: 91 | Best potential fit: Miami
This may be an out-of-the-box selection, but all indications are that Miami is looking for a quarterback to replace veteran starter Tyler Van Dyke. The Hurricanes probably don't want someone long-term, as it seems they have a lot of faith in true freshman Emory Williams -- he started a couple games when Van Dyke got benched -- and they certainly want to keep him around for the future. Finn only has one year of eligibility remaining. Finn, the 2023 MAC Player of the Year, would be a jolt of energy and creativity for a Miami offense that has lacked those qualities at the quarterback position. He has 88 total touchdowns over the last three years and can get it done both on the air and the ground. While his big-play ability can lend itself to some mistakes and inconsistency, that's a gamble worth taking.
Dillon Gabriel, Oklahoma 247Sports transfer grade: 91 | Best potential fit: Oregon
Gabriel seems like a tailor-made Bo Nix replacement. He even has better collegiate credentials than Nix, who transferred to Eugene, Oregon, after a fairly up-and-down career at Auburn. Gabriel has thrown for 14,865 yards and 125 touchdowns in five seasons split between UCF and Oklahoma. He has the experience that Ducks coach Dan Lanning seems to covet when combing the market for a new signal caller, and he and Nix share a ton of similarities. Both are excellent on their feet. Gabriel averaged 4 yards a carry with 12 rushing touchdowns in 2023. Gabriel has played in a quick-read Air Raid system for basically his entire career, not too far removed from the RPO-heavy playbook that Oregon employs. Nix thrived in the very same structure that maximized his short-area accuracy and allowed him some creativity when the play broke down.
Kyle McCord, Ohio State 247Sports transfer grade: 91 | Best potential fit: Pittsburgh
There isn't much buzz out there on McCord. Miami could make sense here given reasons listed above. Pittsburgh also seems like a great match, however. He signed with the Buckeyes in 2021 out of Philadelphia, and his family has deep ties to the northeast, so he could covet a return closer to home. Pittsburgh's coaching staff, for their part, always seems to seek out veteran pocket passers with plenty of starting experience. The Panthers have brought in three transfer quarterbacks since Kenny Pickett left, and two of them had extensive starting experience at a program that ran a heavy pro-style offense. McCord is a natural fit for Pitt's smashmouth scheme -- much more so than he was at Ohio State.
Will Rogers, Mississippi State 247Sports transfer grade: 90 | Best potential fit: Washington
Washington is already a heavy favorite to land Rogers' services, providing the Huskies an immediate answer once Michael Penix Jr. leaves for the NFL Draft in the spring. Rogers is one of the most decorated quarterbacks in SEC history. He broke the conference's completions record in October 2022 and he leaves Starkville with 1,301 total completions. His 12,315 career passing yards ranks second in SEC history, as well. Rogers spent a lot of time in an Air Raid system under former Mississippi State coach Mike Leach, which means he's comfortable pushing the ball down the field. That's perfect for a Washington team that saw Penix boast a 10.4-yard average depth of target and lead the nation with 2,186 air yards in 2023. The Huskies also employ a lot of play action, which was another staple of Leach's Air Raid.
Tyler Van Dyke, Miami 247Sports transfer grade: 90 | Best potential fit: Syracuse
This is a bit of a dart throw as Syracuse breaks in a brand-new coaching staff with Fran Brown taking over the program. Reports indicate that Brown is targeting Jeff Nixon, who coached at Baylor under Matt Rhule, as his offensive coordinator. That seems to indicate the Orange will run a spread-style offense in which some power run concepts will be schemed. Van Dyke ran something very similar at Miami, which means there would be a level of comfort. Van Dyke is also familiar with Syracuse assistant Nunzio Campanile, who recruited Van Dyke to Rutgers out of high school. Moving to Syracuse would also mean playing closer to home for Van Dyke, who signed with the Hurricanes in 2020 out of Glastonbury, Connecticut. Van Dyke would give Brown and the Orange a reliable veteran with plenty of ACC experience that could help the program transition and lay a foundation in Year 1.
As far as Day, I have to disagree. He had a week or so to get a guy with very limited snaps ready.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Nobody really cared about this game because not beating Michigan or making the playoffs was the real fail. However, Ryan Day will be fired next year when he loses to Michigan again.
Jim Harbaugh was right, Ryan Day was born on third base.
My hope is that Day takes a portion of his $9M yearly salary and consults with a leading plastic surgeon to repair the absurd bags under his eyes.
I cared so much about the game that I didn’t realize it was on. 3 points? Yeesh. However, I think the Buckeyes will be just fine. Another top 3 recruiting class and no competition in the Big10 next year. I wouldn’t fire Day as there isn’t a better replacement available.
There will be some added competition. Next year Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA join the Big Ten.
Maybe that will help the quality of league play. If you want to be a really good team who is a legit national contender...and I am not saying the Bucks haven't had teams that were, but you can't keep walking in to your conference title game and win. If the Bucks don't make it, or lose the title game now and then, then you know you have a deep league.
It's no secret I am a SEC fan, but was a big Bucks fan back when Woody was around and still like the team, I just don't like the Big 10. It's been a 2 team league forever. That isn't to say a few schools popped for a few years here and there, but it is a 2 team league. The Bucks don't get tested enough in the season.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I don't care how good you were supposed to be or who opted out of the game, if you go out and lose to Georgia by 60 points you are nothing but punk pretenders.
Florida State should be ashamed they even accepted the Orange Bowl bid. Pitiful, but that is pretty much what those folks are.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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